The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html

Imagine that!   

Looking like this entire story may have been a fabrication. Or at the very least one TD's personal (frankly dubious) experience being passed off as a government-spanning phenomenon, which data released via a freedom of information act has shown it wasn't: based on data from multiple government bodies, mails about the eviction ban outnumbered mails about transgender issues 20 fold.

[Bürggermeister]

https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19

Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?

Now? I had a complaint made against me to management for wearing a Rangers shirt back in the mid 90's, the poor lad said he was religiously offended. Every item of clothing this dope owned had a Celtic logo on it and I had been given the shirt for a laugh couple of years earlier. It didn't even register when I put it on that morning, it was just a fucking clean t-shirt 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19

Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?

So whatever about the man and I'm sure many will think him bigoted or not so, doesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on? Will the Garda now engage with the person who made the false complaint, will there be any action taken against them or is justice now in the hands of those who shout loudest, whether they're lying to get their way or not? Personally I've no skin in his particular game at all other than the censorship of opinions element.

Jesus this lad is an insufferable prick. He actually asks to be arrested, then lays out why that would be "helpful" to him, but the garda repeats and repeats that he's not there to arrest him, yet he tweets "Irish police are threatening to arrest me." The level of disrespect he displays is absolutely unreal. Absolutely no fan of them, but that garda did a stellar job keeping his calm in front of someone who was very fucking obviously angling for an arrest. 

Failure to comply with the direction of a member of An Garda Síochána

It is an offence if you do not comply with a Garda's request to stop behaving in a way that they believe is endangering people's safety, property or the public peace. If you are behaving in this way, the Garda can also ask you to "move on" to avert any potential trouble. This means that they do not have to apply the full force of criminal law by arresting you, charging you and bringing you before the courts.

It is an offence to not follow these Garda directions, unless you have a reasonable excuse or lawful authority to do so. Any person convicted of failing to comply with a Garda direction in this way, is liable on summary conviction to a class D fine, or to a maximum term of 6 months in prison, or both.

[Eoin McLove]

What a hateful cunt. I agree with what he's saying but that guard would have been 100% in the right to club the cunt to death. Even inside the Disney fucking Store!

[Yung Led Zeppelin]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html

Imagine that!   

Looking like this entire story may have been a fabrication. Or at the very least one TD's personal (frankly dubious) experience being passed off as a government-spanning phenomenon, which data released via a freedom of information act has shown it wasn't: based on data from multiple government bodies, mails about the eviction ban outnumbered mails about transgender issues 20 fold.

They're absolute scumbags for this. Using a currently targeted minority group to deflect from their own responsibilities. Didn't think they could get a lot lower but this is certainly down there.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Scumbag masters of distraction and division.

[astfgyl]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fine-gael-tds-getting-more-emails-on-transgender-issues-than-on-the-eviction-ban-party-meeting-hears-42410101.html

Imagine that!   

Looking like this entire story may have been a fabrication. Or at the very least one TD's personal (frankly dubious) experience being passed off as a government-spanning phenomenon, which data released via a freedom of information act has shown it wasn't: based on data from multiple government bodies, mails about the eviction ban outnumbered mails about transgender issues 20 fold.

Spotted that yesterday it looks like shit yeah

[astfgyl]

https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1659927650175991808?t=tFuKzhuim2xjkIxPcLDYGQ&s=19

Came across this a few minutes ago. Not getting into the discussion about whether one agrees with him or not because it's been done to death, but does anyone think this could play out a lot differently with the introduction of the proposed hate speech laws? Again, without getting into the why, does anyone who disagrees with his stance agree with his right to have that opinion, in the generally inoffensive way he's giving it? It's a bit of a minefield like how far could it go if say your Man United shirt offended me could I make a complaint now?

So whatever about the man and I'm sure many will think him bigoted or not so, doesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on? Will the Garda now engage with the person who made the false complaint, will there be any action taken against them or is justice now in the hands of those who shout loudest, whether they're lying to get their way or not? Personally I've no skin in his particular game at all other than the censorship of opinions element.

Jesus this lad is an insufferable prick. He actually asks to be arrested, then lays out why that would be "helpful" to him, but the garda repeats and repeats that he's not there to arrest him, yet he tweets "Irish police are threatening to arrest me." The level of disrespect he displays is absolutely unreal. Absolutely no fan of them, but that garda did a stellar job keeping his calm in front of someone who was very fucking obviously angling for an arrest. 

Failure to comply with the direction of a member of An Garda Síochána

It is an offence if you do not comply with a Garda's request to stop behaving in a way that they believe is endangering people's safety, property or the public peace. If you are behaving in this way, the Garda can also ask you to "move on" to avert any potential trouble. This means that they do not have to apply the full force of criminal law by arresting you, charging you and bringing you before the courts.

It is an offence to not follow these Garda directions, unless you have a reasonable excuse or lawful authority to do so. Any person convicted of failing to comply with a Garda direction in this way, is liable on summary conviction to a class D fine, or to a maximum term of 6 months in prison, or both.

Yeah fair play missing the point entirely there.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Sorry for going off point.

doesn't his discussion with the Garda raise a good point as to the slippery slope we find ourselves on?

No.

 

[astfgyl]

Well it does because under the new laws proposed he would be carried away for the same complaint that's not true rather than the Garda simply mentioning to him. So there's the slippery slope rather than simply saying he's a knob and moving on

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Ah yes, because the gardai are famous for arresting people for every legally justified complaint they receive. I'm after showing you that this bald moose infringed the law the moment he told the garda to his face that he would refuse to move on. Did the garda arrest him? No. There may be a slippery slope, but this situation didn't illustrate it at all. It illustrated a guardian of the peace making an astute assessment of what the best way to guard the peace was when confronted with a globe-trotting attention whore. Voilà. Give the man a promotion.

[astfgyl]

I disagree. People are well able to use whichever weapons they have at their disposal and the slippery slope as I see it is that people will need more and more protecting the more protected certain characteristics get. Maybe you really don't see it going that way or like that sort of thing I suppose it does sort of come down to how much government you want in your life..

Does anyone know what happens now with the person who made the complaint will they have to explain themselves I wonder? And no I actually don't know if they will or not.

I've been on the end of a couple of lads acting the cunt and trying to pull the race card out and had lads saying I only thought they were a prick because of their sexuality but they were actually pricks. I can see how this bollix could pan out. The laws we have are sufficient to deal with it as is without increasing them. You've actually illustrated that point yourself by pointing out how the Garda had powers enough for that situation. I don't like the idea of some people being more offendable (don't think that's a word but it'll do) than others in the eyes of the law. That's not a sort of equality I could be getting on board with.

[hellfire]

This is so true it made me laugh. Describing Roderic O'Gorman as "a one-man recruiting sergeant for an indigenous anti-immigration party."


https://extra.ie/2023/05/22/news/ogorman-knives-out

[Caomhaoin]

The concept of 'hate crime' is anathema to equality.

Get into a scrap with a homosexual or anyone 'marginalised' and it's 'hate'. 

[astfgyl]

This is so true it made me laugh. Describing Roderic O'Gorman as "a one-man recruiting sergeant for an indigenous anti-immigration party."


https://extra.ie/2023/05/22/news/ogorman-knives-out

Sound about right. In fact you could say it for all the government policies at the minute