The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[astfgyl]

Are those parties (the Italian and Swedish ones I mean) even far right or is it just that they're right of centre on immigration and thus painted as extremists? I think that phrase has lost a lot of meaning due to overuse anyway. None of the Irish right leaning parties have a hope anytime soon, and I'm inclined to agree with the shepherd on that one but I think even the 20 years is being kind unless someone extremely charismatic emerges as the face of it. Hopefully someone with a funny moustache

I quite like Áontú in a way myself but they've no-one in my area so I'll just have to watch how they get on. I don't agree with an awful lot of what they say either but for the same reasons as mentioned I like their stance on Europe and unfettered migration.

[Caomhaoin]

Far-right is just another label for unapproved thought. It means fuck all but lads are terrified of the stink that it attaches to you. Against mass immigration? Debunk 'black romans/black King Charles II/dislike films portraying historical European figures as black? Think a month is OTT for gay pride? Think you can't change gender?

You are a far right now.

[hellfire]

I noticed the government in a few months before all these protests started bandying about the far right term a lot. They knew their bullshit was about to have consequences and amped it up. People who object to this immigration nonsense have to be far right. If not they might have a reasonable argument that needs to be addressed.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If they have reasonable arguments, it's up to them to make sure those arguments are favored over the literal far right ones. They don't seem very good at doing that though, as I said above. It's in the sitting powers' interests for anyone anti-immigration to portray themselves as ranting lunatics, and the most vocal element of the protesters seem more than happy to oblige on that front.

[Caomhaoin]

I disagree with that. Any anti-immigration stance made public will get you tarred and feathered immediately. There is no tolerance for dissent. Keep in mind, the government is taking its orders from elsewhere and total war tactics are to be used.

[ldj]

The whole immigration 'issue' is just a smokescreen for decades of government neglect.

And any right wing government isn't all of a sudden going to care about the working class, even if they reduce immigration.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I disagree with that. Any anti-immigration stance made public will get you tarred and feathered immediately.

Are there cases of people who only had sensible, pragmatic, reasonable arguments against current immigration policy? People who didn't tar and feather themselves by association with xenophobic loons, and who ended up tarred and feathered on the basis of their reasonable arguments?

[Caomhaoin]

The quality of the arguments is in the eye of the beholder, as is the feasibility of the solutions. The fundamental question of whether or not a problem even exists is also a matter of opinion.

Clearly I would favour a sterner and more decisive hand than you would.The governments position (on this issue) aligns more closely to your own, although I'd hazard to say their reasons for holding that view is less well intentioned than yours.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

You're the one who said "any" anti-immigration stance will get you tarred and feathered, eye of the beholder or not, any means any, so I'm just wanting to know if there's any basis for that, any examples, any cases you know of.

[hellfire]

About 98℅ of recent protestors

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Almost 98% of recent protesters only have reasonable arguments, vocally distance themselves from primarily xenophobic arguments, but are tarred and feathered anyway?

[Caomhaoin]

You're the one who said "any" anti-immigration stance will get you tarred and feathered, eye of the beholder or not, any means any, so I'm just wanting to know if there's any basis for that, any examples, any cases you know of.

Outside of the 'military age men' and 'plantation' (cringe!) shite or 'burn them ourra the gaff' or similar, almost all the arguments I've heard of varying degrees of merit.

'Look after Irish people first' seems to trigger the fuck out of the left, and the SF leadership but it's perfectly valid in my view.

'Women are scared to walk down the street because of sexual harassment by Afghanis' is considered racist, but it's a logical reaction to a persistently occurring issue.

'Homeless people, regardless of how they got into that situation, are offered shelters with basic conditions which they are often afraid to use because of the risk of theft or assault but Somalis are housed in hotels which they subsequently trash' is somehow a slur on blacks as a whole, but it's startling that such a practice is allowed to happen.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

"housed in hotels" for many, Somalis and of other backgrounds, meant dozens sleeping on floors in function rooms. I don't know about stories of hotels getting trashed, but I'm not saying it hasn't happened either. Not going to take anyone's word on it though. "Look after the Irish first" annoys the left because it's not on the agenda of the people in power, just as it wasn't actually on the agenda of UKIP to look after the British first.

[Caomhaoin]

Mary Lou tweeted 'vile' in response to graffiti saying 'Irish first' or words to that effect. It's astounding really.

The media will not report such disturbances as happened in the city west hotel if it can be avoided but video evidence is freely available.

Another issue is the corruption of the words 'refugee' and 'asylum seeker'. The former in particular. If you are an Eritrean refugee, there's no need to go all the way to Ireland to find safe haven. The sheer volume of Ukrainian refugees means that neighbouring countries cannot be expected to burden themselves with millions, but some of these boys are chancers of the highest order. I don't blame them by the way, if I was living in a lawless shit hole failed state and a stable, wealthy country was willing to take me in and give me free stuff, I'd be on the next boat over, as would anyone.

[mickO)))]

A riot took place in the City West hotel about 2 weeks ago which was reported in the media as a disturbance and a small fight, Stabbings happened in a hotel in Kerry around New Years and Guards have been in and out of the East Wall building a number of times over the last 2 months.