The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Kunt 4 Life]

Jimmy Car has sparked up some trouble on twitter (although not the real world so no big deal) about his Netflix show that's been out for 3 months. The whole gimmick of the show is that's the most offensive dark jokes. Seems joking about gypsies getting gassed isn't PC these days.

[Eoin McLove]

Imagine watching a Jimmy Carr stand up show that wasn't offensive. Talk about going out of your way to get upset at stuff 

[Thorn]

I watched that last week , love the wee legoman looking hoor, funny as fuck, sharp as a tack, but sadly I knew as I watched it he was going to invoke the ire of these tossers

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Not a big fan myself, but that particular joke from as household a name as Carr could have become the subject of public outrage at any point since at least the 90s, if we're being honest. Most surprising thing about it is that it took the few months after its broadcast for the backlash to happen! The gypsy bit wasn't particularly funny, imo, identical to jokes we were hearing and repeating about WWII back when we were kids. The Jehovah's Witness bit was funnier, but he rounded it off on a total cliché. That's Carr for me; sometimes great, sometimes reminds me of actual specific jokes from the playground. Anyway, getting backlash is part of his thing, his fame relies on it in part.

Stewart Lee gets a funny dig at his style in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OLXzO1oK2w

[Eoin McLove]

I find Carr hit and miss myself but he has his moments. I think Lee is great. Completely different ends of the spectrum in every way, but that's the beauty of it. We need all of it, not just the stuff that's considered safe or inoffensive. And even at that, certain comedians are genius at making innocent or broad humour truly hilarious. Same thing with music or any other art form, the more choice and variety, the better.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yeah definitely. And certain comedians defending their right to make jokes about anything, it's just part of their circuit, part of their career: it does them more good than bad, in the long run. Don't get too caught up in it, one way or the other, because it works in all directions. Sales of Maus have shot through the roof since millions of liberals the world over decided the worst thing that had happened since the war was 10 representatives of some backwater school district in the US, with a total population of 50,000, voting to remove the graphic novel, or "ban" it, for those who enjoy playing things up, from the recommended reading list. Outrage over any kind of creative work is always a swings and roundabouts thing: i.e. something that's best for grown-ups to observe from the sidelines.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Credit where due, I think Rogan carried off this apology particularly well, this one following after someone made a montage of every time he's said the n-word on the podcast. His explanation is humble, genuine, and not about him, which makes it much more believable than his apology over the whole anti-vax thing. But that's okay too. He apologized there over something he didn't think he needed to, but here it's a very different tone, so fair dues on this one Joe.
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880

[Carnage]

Interesting that Spotify have removed something like 70 of his podcasts because of 'questionable content', presumably because of the sort of thing you've just referred to. Damage limitation I'm sure, what with their stock having devalued by a third recently.

[Caomhaoin]

Credit where due, I think Rogan carried off this apology particularly well, this one following after someone made a montage of every time he's said the n-word on the podcast. His explanation is humble, genuine, and not about him, which makes it much more believable than his apology over the whole anti-vax thing. But that's okay too. He apologized there over something he didn't think he needed to, but here it's a very different tone, so fair dues on this one Joe.
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880

He comes off well, but apologising only encourages these people more. Blood in the water now.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

If he apologized, it certainly wasn't for the benefit of whoever you have in mind with "these people", but for moderates (the majority of his listeners, of all races I imagine) who get uncomfortable at the word coming from a white person. People who won't be tweeting about how damnable they think it is and baying for his blood. Not looking great right now though, if "these people" start trawling, they're going to find all sorts of stuff. Another clip from a podcast with Joey Diaz from about 10 years ago has him bragging about coercing 20 women trying to get their break in Hollywood into giving him oral sex, while Rogan explodes with laughter. Not a great look, especially since Joey Diaz physically looks the part of the guy you'd cast in a movie if you wanted your sexual predator to generate as much visceral distaste in the audience as possible.

[open face surgery]

That Diaz clip has been brought up a good few times over the years. The witchhunt mentality is fuckin sickening, in any capacity, but it's more obvious in this scenario because they are fighting a losing battle, at least that's how I see it, and just keep going again and again. Maybe I'm naive but everyone knows what Joe Rogan is like. He's not a bad cunt, he's just a bozo.

[Caomhaoin]

Never, ever apologise when some Twitter trawling spastic tries to make you look like a prick. Anyone who has even the meanest of intellects knows he's not a racist or any type of ist of any consequence and it's bullshit taken out of context. As yer man of the Bree's says, he's just a loose mouthed LAD.

Apologising for making people feel uncomfortable. On the Internet. Fuck off.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Dude, he's a multi-millionaire. He's doing what he thinks is best for continuing to make millions. To do that, he needs to keep all the moderates on his side. You're not a moderate, neither am I. Moderates like apologies, and they are in the majority, that infamous "silent majority."

[Caomhaoin]

Maybe you're right about his motivations, who knows. It never seems to do any good and the perception is that it's panicked, disingenuous back peddling.

Fair play to John McEnroe for refusing to do as he was bid.

[John Kimble]

I don't share Rogan's views on Covid, or numerous other issues for that matter, but I like his podcast, think he's a good and reasonably engaging presenter, and that he's probably a decent enough person. I'm not exactly sure myself where I stand on the overall controversy, so maybe I'm a bit hasty in passing it off as a bit of a non-issue, but Spotify is a streaming service and not a news agency or public service broadcaster...so I'm not sure what ethical or moral obligation it has to vet its podcaster's content any more than, say, the numerous musicians or bands it features with dodgy political views.