The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Caomhaoin]

I'm alarmed and startled that there are monster anti-homophobia marches happening all over Spain, even though, according to El País, a left leaning newspaper, the police reckon it was probably over a misunderstanding about whether or not he was using his phone to record them. No mention of slurs or anything. They of course give the stats for homophobic what-have-yous, just because the victim is gay, implying that it must be homophobic. It's mad.

As regards the graffiti, they wrote 'Fuck Sancho' and 'Shit Sako'. That's it. But they are black, and we must take the proverbial knee, only white players can be criticised in such a way, otherwise it's racist. Load of bollix! Cops calling it racially aggravated. Why? Fuck this bullshit.

You have to ask yourself why Southgate chose a very young, raw black player to take the final penalty in the first place. Would have made a great headline had they won.

[Kurt Cocaine]

South Africa has fair gone to the dregs.

[Kurt Cocaine]

I'm alarmed and startled that there are monster anti-homophobia marches happening all over Spain, even though, according to El País, a left leaning newspaper, the police reckon it was probably over a misunderstanding about whether or not he was using his phone to record them. No mention of slurs or anything. They of course give the stats for homophobic what-have-yous, just because the victim is gay, implying that it must be homophobic. It's mad.

As regards the graffiti, they wrote 'Fuck Sancho' and 'Shit Sako'. That's it. But they are black, and we must take the proverbial knee, only white players can be criticised in such a way, otherwise it's racist. Load of bollix! Cops calling it racially aggravated. Why? Fuck this bullshit.

You have to ask yourself why Southgate chose a very young, raw black player to take the final penalty in the first place. Would have made a great headline had they won.

Maybe Southgate was 'advised' that would be a good idea.

[livingabortion]

Now I don't give a FUCK about football, but it's always great to see the English loose. I read about it and apparently on the BBC they didn't mention Italy until the 50th minute, (not like England to be bias eh?), and when they got the goal they were jumping around like they had won, but then the Italians came back and handed their arse to them and took the victory.  And the fans, they carried on in typical form, fighting, rioting and being racist. Not only were the racist against the Italian team, but they even turned on their own when the missed the penalties, and many of them without tickets tried to break in to Wembley Stadium.  England has already been fined £30,000 for the fans conduct against Denmark for booing their national anthem and shining a laser point at Kasper Schmeichel's face to distract him.


Football, it truly is, "The Beautiful Game". 

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I'm alarmed and startled that there are monster anti-homophobia marches happening all over Spain, even though, according to El País, a left leaning newspaper, the police reckon it was probably over a misunderstanding about whether or not he was using his phone to record them. No mention of slurs or anything. They of course give the stats for homophobic what-have-yous, just because the victim is gay, implying that it must be homophobic. It's mad.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-07/three-arrested-over-alleged-homophobic-killing-of-samuel-luiz-in-galicia.html

Speaking to Spanish TV channel Telecinco, however, a friend of Luiz's who was present when the assault took place, stated that one of the assailants shouted at the victim: "Stop recording us if you don't want me to kill you, you fucking fag."

https://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/sospechoso-crimen-samuel-otra-pelea_18_3169695064.html

The question is not so much whether the fight started because he was gay, but whether at least part of the reason the initial altercation turned into him being mercilessly beaten to death by a pack of individuals was because he was gay. I take it you understand the difference.

As regards the graffiti, they wrote 'Fuck Sancho' and 'Shit Sako'. That's it. But they are black, and we must take the proverbial knee, only white players can be criticised in such a way, otherwise it's racist. Load of bollix! Cops calling it racially aggravated. Why? Fuck this bullshit.

Just for the sake of complete accuracy: "Fuck Sancho", "Fuck Saka", "bastard", and, bizarrely, "shite in a bucket". Oh, and a penis too. You can see it more or less clearly here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/oirbn7/marcus_rashfords_vandalised_mural_now_mended_by_a/
I'd say if you asked the police why they're treating it as racially aggravated, they would mention the context of the other racial abuse on social media, plus the booing of the taking the knee, etc., as potential circumstantial reasons to suspect there is a racial element at play. But you're right, there's no hard proof of that.

You have to ask yourself why Southgate chose a very young, raw black player to take the final penalty in the first place. Would have made a great headline had they won.

No prizes for pointing out the obvious. I think it's overall fairly clear Southgate had hoped to send a message to the yobs. His wager for a manifestly "inclusive" victory failed, and he accepted full responsibility for the choice of who was going to take the penalties. He did, however, succeed in pushing the conversation he wanted to have with the fan community in general front and centre. Maybe he, and maybe also the likes of Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand who have spoken up on it since, even deem that to be of more longer-lasting importance than taking the cup.

Very sorry to hear all this has you so alarmed and startled though. Hope you'll be okay hun xx

[Caomhaoin]

Well the 'yobs' came out in force after the three boys fucked up.

'I take it you understand the difference'. The smarminess, the ego, it's shamelessly on show for the boyz yet again. Nice one

A friend his said that? Oh, case closed then! Presumably they didn't know him, nor were aware of his sexuality. But sure fuck that ,right? I'm sure we've both called lads 'benders' or what have you, regardless of their sexuality as young lads.

Your last attempt at humour there at the end was kind of a low rent imitation of KC Tyres, I'm sure he'll be delighted.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

'I take it you understand the difference'. The smarminess, the ego, it's shamelessly on show for the boyz yet again. Nice one

A friend his said that? Oh, case closed then!

No, case opened then, geddit? Oh dear, maybe you don't understand the difference after all. Rub the "poor us normal people in the middle" shite out of your eyes man, it makes you really, really thick.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There is no evidence for either.
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No mention of slurs or anything.

Your claims. Then, presented with hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there are witness statements (i.e. evidence, not proof, but definitely evidence), hop, move the goalposts! Same shit every time. All you poor sensitive "normal" folk having to "deal with" LGBT pride marches. How tough life is for ye! My heart bleeds for you Kev, honestly.

[Caomhaoin]

Mildly ironically, that last 'sentence' is incoherent and nonsensical, but sure what do I know, right?

[Caomhaoin]

There is no evidence for either.
...
No mention of slurs or anything.

Your claims. Then, presented with hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there are witness statements (i.e. evidence, not proof, but definitely evidence), hop, move the goalposts! Same shit every time. All you poor sensitive "normal" folk having to "deal with" LGBT pride marches. How tough life is for ye! My heart bleeds for you Kev, honestly.

Hard evidence? Yeaaaaah.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

There is no evidence for either.
...
No mention of slurs or anything.

Your claims. Then, presented with hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there are witness statements (i.e. evidence, not proof, but definitely evidence), hop, move the goalposts! Same shit every time. All you poor sensitive "normal" folk having to "deal with" LGBT pride marches. How tough life is for ye! My heart bleeds for you Kev, honestly.

Hard evidence? Yeaaaaah.

Hard evidence that slurs have been mentioned and that there is a witness statement, comprising evidence, to that effect, yes. These articles are hard evidence of that, in the sense that they are genuine, physically existing objects in the world:
https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-07-07/three-arrested-over-alleged-homophobic-killing-of-samuel-luiz-in-galicia.html
https://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/sospechoso-crimen-samuel-otra-pelea_18_3169695064.html

See? I mean, I've just repeated essentially exactly the same sentence I used above, but you read things through such skewed eyes, I don't know how many repetitions it takes before you get to the actual meaning.

[Caomhaoin]

Hard evidence equates to facts, scientific evidence. You are so biased, and tripping over yourself to exalt yourself that that seems to have escaped you. There is nothing 'hard' about the 'evidence' that you 'presented'. And from Telecinco? Seriously. The most trash TV station on planet earth.

Consult your Harraps if you're unsue, Mr University Smart Cunt.

[livingabortion]

Oh dear, Spocks getting testy. He thinks your comments are "HIGHLY illogical" 

[John Kimble]

He did, however, succeed in pushing the conversation he wanted to have with the fan community in general front and centre. Maybe he, and maybe also the likes of Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand who have spoken up on it since, even deem that to be of more longer-lasting importance than taking the cup.

For an intelligent lad, you are an absolute prize cabbage if you genuinely believe that anyone remotely connected to English football deemed it more important to have some kind of conversation about racism, either in football or in a general context, than winning the actual competition. Like, you come out with some absolute dross, are you really suggesting that Southgate is sat somewhere, smiling contently and thinking to himself "yeah, it would have been nice to be that manager that won England their first major international trophy in football since 66 but, sure fuck it, at least I did my bit to further inclusiveness by letting the young, inexperienced black lad take a peno, incurring the wrath of the fans and calling my judgement as a manager into question, because ultimately as a manager, my job is to win games etc etc...

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Hard evidence equates to facts, scientific evidence. You are so biased, and tripping over yourself to exalt yourself that that seems to have escaped you. There is nothing 'hard' about the 'evidence' that you 'presented'. And from Telecinco? Seriously. The most trash TV station on planet earth.

Will I say it again? It's evidence of evidence Kev. Witness statements say that homophobic slurs were used prior to and during the long and extremely brutal attack. The articles and videos posted report that those witness statements exist. And they do exist. There is no contesting the existence of those witness statements. Although, here we are...

As a counter-point to you losing your shit over some LGBT marches (and seriously, again, poor you, must be awful), what evidence was there that the murders of farmers in South Africa were racially and not simply economically motivated? What evidence did you accept in that scenario? Witness statements?? Broader contextual and circumstantial considerations??