The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Kurt Cocaine]

On testosterone and the male psyche:

Hormones have functions. Testosterone's function is anabolic (constructive). It is the male hormone. Men have a tendency and desire towards results. A man is satisfied when his job is done. Women can be sustained on love and validation alone - men cannot. Men are internal animals, and to prove their existence, they need to show results which stem from the internal.

The Greek concept of Thumos is highly applicable here. In Homer's songs, Thumos leaves the hero's body in times of dire need to bring the hero back up. So; testosterone punishes man when he does nothing and rewards him when he shows his power.

Be powerful and you will be healthy. Be powerless and you will lose even that little power you had. Matthew 13:12

Explains soy unhappiness and the high trans suicide rates.

[astfgyl]

In the near future instead of Red Bull giving you wings it will be "Soy Milk gives you tiiits!"

And fuckers will lap it up, to like get in touch with their feminine side and stuff. Except the feminists, they are perfect just the way they are.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Explains soy unhappiness and the high trans suicide rates.

Yes, in the same way that trees waving about explains wind.

That's also not what Matthew 13:12 says.

[Caomhaoin]

In the west, it's certainly counter culture in the sense that it's clearly silenced by the ones who wield power, that includes mainstream media, the majority of political clout and , crucially, the tech giants.

Your mate Stevie Crowder got himself cancelled earlier this week, for no discernible reason. That is to say, rather than give conservatives a martyr, they said he gave misleading information regarding COVID. Me hole.

Having right wing views on a college campus, even in Ireland, you might as well be a giant mincing homosexual with mixed race heritage in 1950's Mississippi. Wearing communist or homosexual or gender bending slogans and paraphernalia on campus is like wearing soccer jerseys in PE when I was a young lad. You'd be taking the risk of at the very least some fucker mouthing off at you if you had anything even suggesting you think men are not women.

So, yeah, I'd say it is, to some extent, counter culture. The underground!

[Caomhaoin]

And another thing, true liberals are in total opposition to pseudo-Marxism, 'progressiveness' and all the woke bullshit. I don't know why that term has become currency for describing these lunatics.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

In the west, it's certainly counter culture in the sense that it's clearly silenced by the ones who wield power

Britain: conservatives in power.
France: conservative leaning, police-state dreaming, islamophobes in power, nationalists with huge share of popular vote.
Norway: conservatives in power.
Poland: conservatives in power.
US: conservatives in power up until a couple of months ago, and so on...

Sure, in certain circles certain views are rejected, sometimes more strongly than they should be, but the conditions for it to be a "counter-culture" don't exist. We're in a new period, and the old labels don't fit. And conservatives bitching and moaning like as if they have it harder than a homosexual Afro-American in 1950s Mississippi are ridiculous, yet numerous.

[Caomhaoin]

British and Norwegian examples are spurious, they are 'conservative' in name only.

Why doesn't the label fit? Because you believe that or because you're loathe to apply it to your ideological opponents for fear of making them 'cool' somehow?

In any case, I'm not saying that conservatives have it worse than the gay Mexican in the south (Gods country, loved it there), but having those views and having the balls to express them in public, you can draw a parallel, if not an exact one.

Those corporations you hate have, to a man, adopted wokeism, not because they give a shit, but because they  see which way the wind is blowing. They are a great weather vain for culture.

(I'm certain I've spelt weather vain poorly there)

[Kurt Cocaine]

Explains soy unhappiness and the high trans suicide rates.

Yes, in the same way that trees waving about explains wind.

That's also not what Matthew 13:12 says.

It's gospel nigga...

[Kurt Cocaine]

 

[Caomhaoin]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Eoin McLove]

How is that remotely funny? That's the right wing equivalent of a joke about Donald Trump being thick. Pathetic.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Why doesn't the label fit? Because you believe that or because you're loathe to apply it to your ideological opponents for fear of making them 'cool' somehow?

Why doesn't the label "counterculture" fit those espousing conservative views in the 21st century? Because they're not so much "countering" one culture with anything subversive or different. They're just continuing to represent one other, extremely well established culture, in a global system where the antagonistic combination of the two has been The Culture for decades:

Many western nations have conservative leaning governments and/or well-established explicitly conservative parties with significant voter share. No historical "counterculture" had such political strength behind it to begin with. This is a point they have to build to over time, and which they may never achieve.
Conservatism has a massive, powerful, politically influential, extremely well-funded, long-standing, established place within what is the mainstream western culture (Fox News, New York Post, The Sun, The Daily Mail...). Again, no "counterculture" ever had such a media machine behind it at its beginnings.

Conservatism never, ever went away to enough of an extent for it to now be considered a "counterculture," regardless of any progressive excesses (of which there are many, but none come close to the excesses of conservatives in the 1950s, let's be honest).

[Caomhaoin]

How is that remotely funny? That's the right wing equivalent of a joke about Donald Trump being thick. Pathetic.

Settle down Karen

[Caomhaoin]

Why doesn't the label fit? Because you believe that or because you're loathe to apply it to your ideological opponents for fear of making them 'cool' somehow?

Why doesn't the label "counterculture" fit those espousing conservative views in the 21st century? Because they're not so much "countering" one culture with anything subversive or different. They're just continuing to represent one other, extremely well established culture, in a global system where the antagonistic combination of the two has been The Culture for decades:

Many western nations have conservative leaning governments and/or well-established explicitly conservative parties with significant voter share. No historical "counterculture" had such political strength behind it to begin with. This is a point they have to build to over time, and which they may never achieve.
Conservatism has a massive, powerful, politically influential, extremely well-funded, long-standing, established place within what is the mainstream western culture (Fox News, New York Post, The Sun, The Daily Mail...). Again, no "counterculture" ever had such a media machine behind it at its beginnings.

Conservatism never, ever went away to enough of an extent for it to now be considered a "counterculture," regardless of any progressive excesses (of which there are many, but none come close to the excesses of conservatives in the 1950s, let's be honest).

Conservatism is counter, or contrary, to the dominant culture at the present moment, that doesn't imply that itself wasn't at one time THE culture. I'm pretty sure that even your pals in the sociology department would agree with that, albeit grudgingly.

We're arguing over a form of words like a pair jokers from SF/DUP now.

I mean, wouldn't a commited free marketeer in 1960s Soviet Union have been as counter culture as a doctrinaire Leninist in 1910?

You'd rather have a tooth pulled without even a tot of rum than accept this I fear

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I just see the self-applied use of the term as conservatives' recently adopted persecution complex, something which is rich in extremis.