The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Risk marginalizing, precisely, not sex offenders, if you read it. And it has raised plenty of eyebrows, it says again, even within the station itself.

Still though, such a leak was never going to end well, even if it makes absolutely fuck all difference to anybody's life outside of, where again? Ah yes, Tasmania. Gotta keep on top of what them devils be getting up to!

[astfgyl]

Risk marginalizing them in case it deters them from coming forward for re-education or what? I read it. In fact I only heard of it because some people were outraged at it.

And saying it doesn't make a difference to anyone outside Tasmania is like me saying BLM doesn't make a difference outside of the US or that the plight of the Uighurs makes fuck all difference outside of China. They don't by the way, but that doesn't stop the pages and pages of discussion on it.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

First part there was responding to Kev, not you. This kind of stuff goes way back anyway, like way, way back. I'm sure you all remember NAMBLA, for example, from South Park if nothing else.

[astfgyl]

I actually don't remember that from South Park but I am aware that there are many facets to this discussion. If it is to be treated as a mental health issue, and there is a strong argument for that, does that mean that treatment for being a wrong 'un is on the cards and where does that start and finish. Leaving the outrage aside, is there actually a fair point behind that leaked email? It could be argued that there is, but I'd struggle with the idea from every angle I look at it. Given that it was a sexual assault support service who made the recommendation it has to carry more weight than a simply random statement in support of pedos and they obviously see logic to it. Then there is the notion that these people can be somewhat re-educated, when that doesn't seem to work with any other sexual orientation. Are they then good people if they admit they have a problem and seek help? I dunno it all raises more questions than answers.

As I was saying at the start, a tough gig for sure coming out in support (not exactly, but taking the gentle approach, maybe) of those with pedo tendencies.

[Pedrito]

You'd shoot a rabid dog. Should be the same for them animals. End of.

[astfgyl]

As a father myself, I would take the same view. I was just trying to see the logic behind that email/statement/idea/whatever.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

I actually don't remember that from South Park but I am aware that there are many facets to this discussion. If it is to be treated as a mental health issue, and there is a strong argument for that, does that mean that treatment for being a wrong 'un is on the cards and where does that start and finish. Leaving the outrage aside, is there actually a fair point behind that leaked email? It could be argued that there is, but I'd struggle with the idea from every angle I look at it. Given that it was a sexual assault support service who made the recommendation it has to carry more weight than a simply random statement in support of pedos and they obviously see logic to it. Then there is the notion that these people can be somewhat re-educated, when that doesn't seem to work with any other sexual orientation. Are they then good people if they admit they have a problem and seek help? I dunno it all raises more questions than answers.

As I was saying at the start, a tough gig for sure coming out in support (not exactly, but taking the gentle approach, maybe) of those with pedo tendencies.

Have you ever fantasized about killing someone?
Have you ever killed someone?

Is everything a bit clearer now??

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Also, I couldn't care less about the story; call sex offenders pedophiles, call them what you want, nonces, whatever. What I was saying was that:

1: The story had nothing to do with not wanting to offend sex offenders.
2: Even if it was, there's nothing new about that, so it's not connected to any kind of modern progressivism or whatever.
3: It's an absolute micro-story from the other side of the world, and the kind of tabloid gold that is pure rot for one's mental welfare. People among my acquaintances who share non-event outrage-porn like this on social media have all long since been muted.

[astfgyl]

I actually don't remember that from South Park but I am aware that there are many facets to this discussion. If it is to be treated as a mental health issue, and there is a strong argument for that, does that mean that treatment for being a wrong 'un is on the cards and where does that start and finish. Leaving the outrage aside, is there actually a fair point behind that leaked email? It could be argued that there is, but I'd struggle with the idea from every angle I look at it. Given that it was a sexual assault support service who made the recommendation it has to carry more weight than a simply random statement in support of pedos and they obviously see logic to it. Then there is the notion that these people can be somewhat re-educated, when that doesn't seem to work with any other sexual orientation. Are they then good people if they admit they have a problem and seek help? I dunno it all raises more questions than answers.

As I was saying at the start, a tough gig for sure coming out in support (not exactly, but taking the gentle approach, maybe) of those with pedo tendencies.

Have you ever fantasized about killing someone?
Have you ever killed someone?

Is everything a bit clearer now??

No. If anything it's more muddled than before. And it isn't outrage porn, it's a point for discussion. You will be glad to know I didn't share it on social media either, unless the discussion board here counts. Do you personally think we should change the language around those with paedophilic urges, to separate them from those who act upon the urges, and should we encourage them, through the use of less inflammatory labelling, to come forward for help before the urges get too strong and they possibly become offenders?

Or in other words is it ok to think about riding children as long as one doesn't do it?

Those are the sort of points raised by a story like this, rather than it being mere outrage porn.

[Emphyrio]

Also, I couldn't care less about the story; call sex offenders pedophiles, call them what you want, nonces, whatever. What I was saying was that:

1: The story had nothing to do with not wanting to offend sex offenders.
2: Even if it was, there's nothing new about that, so it's not connected to any kind of modern progressivism or whatever.
3: It's an absolute micro-story from the other side of the world, and the kind of tabloid gold that is pure rot for one's mental welfare. People among my acquaintances who share non-event outrage-porn like this on social media have all long since been muted.

Would that not be a case of playing the man, not the ball? If you don't have any interest in the story, it's a bit unfair to just batter someone's opinion on the matter about said story. It's like unmuting one of those said acquaintances just to have a pop at em. Seems pretty pointless to me.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

That's a point worth taking Emphyrio. What I do care about is the kind of over-arching reactionary bullshit that stories like these are used to fuel, and they're shared all across the globe to no other purpose. 

[Caomhaoin]

Chris has a modicum of a point, but antifa have unfurled banners with the slogan 'no peado bashing', so there is an element of the left which does push 'inclusivity' to unacceptable extremes.

There are obvious comparisons to be made with 'would you say the same thing if it were racists' or any variety of -phobe, provided they don't go out bashing? It's an obvious leap, but murder, wanting to have sex with children and destruction of millennia old cultural norms are less bad than any form of prejudice against any one of the umpteen exalted groups in 2021.

[Emphyrio]

You could very well be right. I didn't read the article nor have much interest in it, or maybe giving up online arguments for Lent has enlightened me 😃

**this is aimed at d'other fella. I've no problems having a hop off you Kev , Lent or not

[Emphyrio]

"Christians in Cyprus protest against Eurovision entry they say promotes satanic worship"

https://www.thejournal.ie/christians-cyprus-eurovision-protest-5373845-Mar2021/

This is more my bag of a Saturday afternoon. But I think all entries to Eurovision should be protested against.

[Caomhaoin]

You could very well be right. I didn't read the article nor have much interest in it, or maybe giving up online arguments for Lent has enlightened me 😃

**this is aimed at d'other fella. I've no problems having a hop off you Kev , Lent or not

The quare fella is like an over fed fish in the park pond, he's had plenty, but if a tasty morsel is thrown into the drink, he'll make his way over for a nibble regardless