The PC and Perpetually Offended Brigade

[astfgyl]

Here https://gript.ie/if-jacinda-ardern-were-irish-shed-be-called-far-right/ is an interesting look at the left/right switch thing I was getting at a few pages ago.

I'm not well versed in NZ politics, but on the face of it she sounds like the sort of centre-lefty I thought I was. Would have to dig in a bit more but an interesting perspective for sure.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Here https://gript.ie/if-jacinda-ardern-were-irish-shed-be-called-far-right/ is an interesting look at the left/right switch thing I was getting at a few pages ago.

I'm not well versed in NZ politics, but on the face of it she sounds like the sort of centre-lefty I thought I was. Would have to dig in a bit more but an interesting perspective for sure.

Don't really see the connection to this thread, but a new absolute rag to add to the list now anyway! Quickly looked up the immigration and tax figures they quote; either just pulled out of the air, or deployed behind the smoke and mirrors of dancing between one presentation for New Zealand, another for Ireland.
https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/living-in-nz/money-tax/nz-tax-system (don't forget to mentally divide NZ$ in half to roughly get to euros)
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/income_tax/how_your_tax_is_calculated.html#

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/what-we-do/our-strategies-and-projects/supporting-refugees-and-asylum-seekers (can't see how many "demands" they get, but they settle around 1000 a year, and their annual immigration - rather than just asylum - numbers are roughly double Ireland's)

[ochoill]

Gript are garbage, wouldn't trust them with anything.  Alt right light shite generally, also got stung lately for hiring/being involved with a firm that came from the ashes of cambridge analytica too - cue a shit ton of deleted fb & twitter posts and "we don't know what you mean"

[astfgyl]

Well the connection to this thread is based on how most of it becomes a left v right discussion no matter which new topic is introduced, and I was talking a bit back about how the sides seem to be flipped by the media more often than not these days. I'm unsure about gript media myself and what their agenda might be so I did say I would have to look deeper, but NZ politics is pretty low on my list of interests and I was more using the article to illustrate my earlier point. I actually refused to use something else from gript in another thread a while back because it was the only source I could find for certain figures I needed to back up some other shit I was saying. Maybe the only point in the left/right switch there worth taking heed of is the gender one then? Which is minor but I'll take it in the attempt to use it to back up my ideas.

And however bad gript might be, they surely can't have stooped any lower than The Journal's fact checking exercise a few days ago, which belongs in the covid thread but has to be as low as I've seen anything outside of the red-tops stoop to. And yet The Journal is seen as being an honest and impartial version of things. It's a real minefield, the old media.

[astfgyl]

Gemma O'Doherty offends me. I can't think of anybody worse to stand up for the cause of freedom than her.

[Blackout]

I think that this whole "far right" boogeyman is yet another term up there with  "incel" or "feminazi" etc. Used as an insult for morons with the inability to debate coherently .                     

[astfgyl]

I agree about the labelling of everything as "far right" now. It is very poor stuff. Basically anyone who disagrees with anything is now "far right" and that is enough to be labelled with to stop most people listening to somebody. Funnily enough it seems to me that it is those labelled as the left who seem the most totalitarian in nature, when in my mind that was the right wing thing. Ah fuck it I never truly went in for either side anyway so fuck em all.

The thing that gets me about O'Doherty is simply how annoying she is. Back when she was taking the case against lockdown I agreed with the idea, that the erosion of freedom had to be unconstitutional somehow, but how I sighed when she and Waters became the faces of it. I knew it was doomed. In fact their involvement in speaking for freedom hurts the cause more than helps in any way. Really annoying.

[Pedrito]

The Kun Aguero incident with the lineswoman, thankfully didn't go too far. I read some horrendous reports using words like grope and other overly sexualised words for what was a sportsman putting his hand on the shoulder/neck of the official. If he'd done it to a man, he could easily have been given a yellow card or whatever also, so there  is that side to it. But because it's a woman, something quite innocuous in the heat of battle is turned into some seedy, sleazy narrative.

And it begs the question..if that's the way it's going to be then maybe we'd be better off keeping the sexes separate in terms of football and sport in general. If every little non-incident like it results in a sportsman getting their name dragged through the mud, then maybe the best option is to completely mitigate against it and not have her there in the first place. I'm sure that would draw the ire of every snowflake walking this good planet, but maybe it's time to get off the fence here. I remember Jordan Peterson making the excellent point that workplace mixing of sexes was so new in terms of humanity in general that we're really only going through a very new phase with all of these things. In fairness the official herself doesn't seem to have kicked up a fuss about it which, at the very least, is reassuring. And just to be very clear, I'm completely in favour of having her there, but I see a massive need for some old fashioned common fucking sense also.

[astfgyl]

What a ridiculous turn of events. Rules say you can't touch match official, isn't always applied, happens all of the time with players and officials, usually light hearted in nature, card if not. Nothing to see here and move on. All those fucking dopes saying how evil it was make me feel sad.

[mickO)))]

Gemma O'Doherty offends me. I can't think of anybody worse to stand up for the cause of freedom than her.

She is just another Alex Jones / David Icke shill put in place to make anyone who even questions the narrative seem crazy.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Gemma O'Doherty offends me. I can't think of anybody worse to stand up for the cause of freedom than her.

She is just another Alex Jones / David Icke shill put in place to make anyone who even questions the narrative seem crazy.

A shill or a useful idiot? Personally, I don't think she's mentally stable enough to be a shill, in the strictest sense. But a better useful idiot for the maintenance of the status quo you will not find in Ireland.

[Pedrito]

Supposedly her husband went off with some young one and she just lost the plot. From what I've seen of her I'd find her hard to take her in any way seriously. Another public figure that seems to get the most cool headed of people worked up into a tizzy when just ignoring her would be the easiest and most effective approach.

[Ollkiller]

The Kun Aguero incident with the lineswoman, thankfully didn't go too far. I read some horrendous reports using words like grope and other overly sexualised words for what was a sportsman putting his hand on the shoulder/neck of the official. If he'd done it to a man, he could easily have been given a yellow card or whatever also, so there  is that side to it. But because it's a woman, something quite innocuous in the heat of battle is turned into some seedy, sleazy narrative.

And it begs the question..if that's the way it's going to be then maybe we'd be better off keeping the sexes separate in terms of football and sport in general. If every little non-incident like it results in a sportsman getting their name dragged through the mud, then maybe the best option is to completely mitigate against it and not have her there in the first place. I'm sure that would draw the ire of every snowflake walking this good planet, but maybe it's time to get off the fence here. I remember Jordan Peterson making the excellent point that workplace mixing of sexes was so new in terms of humanity in general that we're really only going through a very new phase with all of these things. In fairness the official herself doesn't seem to have kicked up a fuss about it which, at the very least, is reassuring. And just to be very clear, I'm completely in favour of having her there, but I see a massive need for some old fashioned common fucking sense also.

Nah. If that was the case she (and a top class linesman btw) wouldnt have had the chance the officiate in the premier league. Why shouldn't she get the chance. Fuck the idiots who make a meal out of it.

[Pedrito]

Exactly my point. I agree completely. Thankfully the story seemed to be quashed, but disturbing none the less. Again, the media. Bastards.

[astfgyl]

Regarding O Doherty, useful idiot seems more like it than shill. Watched her video with the old man and the mask. There are 2 versions going around and the first looks like she is bullying the poor fucker and the second full one which was posted to sort of exonerate her makes her look like a right condescending shite. She even does good badly. Anyone who speaks to old folks like 2 year old kids seems like a shite to me. Ok my wife works in dementia care, so there is a use for it at times but in the general run of things treat people as you want to be treated, and unless you have some sort of fetish, baby talk is not the way.

She doesn't really get me worked up into a tizzy as such, it just offends my sensibilities somewhat when the public face of certain opinions I have myself is her. That court case she and Waters took might have been something good for us all if they weren't so mock.