Crime Courts Law

[Emphyrio]

Overcrowded prisons is the first hurdle that needs to be dealt with. Under no circumstances should someone accrue 100+ convictions. I'm all for diversion programs etc after the first 1 or maybe 2 offences but let's be real here, these yobs are very unlikely to be "diverted". It's idealistic and unrealistic to believe so.

I see it everyday. Little Johnny is a harmless darling. Except he's not, not even in the slightest and now he has caused the death of someone.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

All IQ discourse rubs me up the wrong way, full stop (cos IQ is a bullshit measure), but especially this recently re-popularized by Trump et al "low IQ individuals" thing. A pet peeve, and a total aside to the subject at hand, sorry.

[Barnacle Billy]

[John Kimble]

To be fair, I think it's pretty obvious what any reasonable person means when they associate 'low IQ' with deliberately driving a stolen vehicle down the wrong side of a motorway into oncoming traffic. It's not an invitation to a wider discourse about the merits of IQ as a reliable indicator of intelligence. People are perfectly entitled to feel outraged by this without having to keep their language in check.

[Black Shepherd Carnage]

Yeah, for sure.

One of the dead was only 15 though, most only 17. I never did anything that stupid at that age, but I certainly did some things so fucking stupid they didn't in any way reflect my actual intelligence. Scrotes, scumbags, whatever: they were idiot kids who are now dead and personally I can't convince myself there aren't people who are left utterly devastated by that fact.

[jpm4]

My wife's nephew and girlfriend were also doing an airport run early in the morning that day, passed the car going the wrong way on the hard shoulder. Terrifying.

[John Kimble]

Yeah, for sure.

One of the dead was only 15 though, most only 17. I never did anything that stupid at that age, but I certainly did some things so fucking stupid they didn't in any way reflect my actual intelligence. Scrotes, scumbags, whatever: they were idiot kids who are now dead and personally I can't convince myself there aren't people who are left utterly devastated by that fact.

I don't disagree with that either. And while I believe much of that grief is genuine, there's also that element of "sleep with the angles, wouldn't hurt a fly, lovely fella", accompanied by a funeral cortege of scramblers, floral arrangements in the shape of a balaclava and screwdriver-type sentiment that undoubtedly rubs people up the wrong way. Their friends and families can mourn in their own way, without expecting public sympathy. And if they want to put up glowing, public tributes, which they have already, they should expect a typically vocal backlash.

[Barnacle Billy]

This actually seems classy by comparison:


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[Pagan Saviour]

I personally can't drum up too much sympathy for them or their families. They were well on their way to becoming career criminals and had their respective communities terrorised. The behaviour on the night in question was also utterly reckless, with seemingly zero thought given to anyone else's safety.

The people who deserve sympathy — or prayers, if that's your inclination — are the innocent family who simply set out on a journey to the airport and will most likely be affected permanently by the injuries they suffered.

Teenage tomfoolery doesn't come into play here.

I'm sure the boys' families are absolutely devastated, and I can understand that they are grieving. But the nature of some of what is being posted, particularly the apparent lack of empathy towards the victims and their family, makes it very difficult for me to feel much sympathy myself.

Ultimately, these were dangerous young people whose behaviour had already had a serious impact on those around them. And if the reports about their wider behaviour are accurate, it raises an uncomfortable question: can you imagine living in the vicinity of families caught up in this kind of behaviour? Or having your own children attend the same school?

Would you feel comfortable challenging the kids, or their parents, if something happened?

I think, realistically, we all know the answer to that.

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funeral cortege of scramblers, floral arrangements in the shape of a balaclava and screwdriver-type sentiment
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Not to mention big gold coffins for Tutanpaddyjoe and his lumpenproletarian buddies