I'm currently in between Fuzz/OD pedals and am looking for some good recommendations and opinions
Looking for something that will give me a lot of dirt but still stay articulate sounding for big chords and melodic passages. Think the likes of newer YOB, nothing too wooly and resonance for days
Also if people want to chat generally about Doom pedals I reckon this might as well be the place!
I have a EHX Russian Big Muff re-issue on my board. You can dial in plenty of filth but it's great for playing Soundgarden-esque stuff too. Also the hidden message on the PCB is a nice touch. Reasonable at about €100.
(https://media.sweetwater.com/api/i/q-82__ha-28eb599f29cd9428__hmac-f306851bee45278ce9ce895e2750a4251d9e6a88/images/items/750/RussianBigMuff-large.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bmfEDFK.jpg?1)
Look at rat pedals & clones of them. Can get three mode rat clones like R.Attack or Super rat, that I have, from alo express pretty cheap. Have both distortion or fuzz esque tones. I use that & tube screamer clone into crunch channel of Crate amp.
Also the Behringer Sf300 is direct copy of Boss fz2. That pedal into clean valve amp is old Electric wizard.
All good ideas! I'll find some demos of these online and give them a listen. Definitely heard a few good things about the Russian Big Muff in the past. Already have a tube screamer I was considering parting with but maybe I'll hold on to it to try run it in tandem with one of these and see what results I get.
Been hearing a lot of good things about Black Arts Electronics Pharaoh, anybody ever used one?
I'd second the EHX Big Muff above. I defo wouldn't say it very articulate. I use it mainly as a filthy boost for certain parts live (the big chords, as you call them), for pure and utter heft. It wouldn't be my main distortion. but for the odd section where you just want to kick stuff, it's the job! I'm not a fuzz expert by any means and if you were using it as your primary dirt maybe look elsewhere but if it's just for the odd part here and there, it really is good.
Quote from: Makeshiftatomsmasher on April 18, 2019, 11:25:42 AM
Also the Behringer Sf300 is direct copy of Boss fz2. That pedal into clean valve amp is old Electric wizard.
I was looking at those Behringer pedals earlier this week. For €20 a pop from Thomann they'd be worth a punt. I don't need more distortion/overdrive/fuzz boxes but curiosity has the better of me.
A friend of mine has a
Battlehammer made by the board's own Moose - Moose Electronics.
That's a very tasty pedal as well.
There used to be a "Metal Ireland" special version of it with an extra option. Can't remember which one my buddy went for.
https://www.someneckguitars.com/products/moose-electronics-battle-hammer
Quote from: StoutAndAle on April 18, 2019, 01:18:11 PM
I was looking at those Behringer pedals earlier this week. For €20 a pop from Thomann they'd be worth a punt. I don't need more distortion/overdrive/fuzz boxes but curiosity has the better of me.
A friend of mine has a Battlehammer made by the board's own Moose - Moose Electronics.
That's a very tasty pedal as well.
There used to be a "Metal Ireland" special version of it with an extra option. Can't remember which one my buddy went for.
https://www.someneckguitars.com/products/moose-electronics-battle-hammer
Always nice to see an Irish made option, I'll give that a good look up over the weekend
The only problem with Behringer pedals, is there in a cheap plastic case. They won't last been stomped on hard.
I came across a video recently with a guy doing comparisons between Behringer pedals and the originals they're based on. A lot of them seem to be pretty decent, especially for the price. The FZ-2 clones seem to be sold out everywhere so I'm guessing videos like this have been doing the rounds recently and everyone has been snatching them up so they can sound like Electric Wizard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApJZa8yCMCQ
Here's one I built a while ago. It sounds as wonderful as it looks
(https://i.imgur.com/Iyot4ct.jpg)
In here to second the Battlehammer. I couldn't get the tone I have without mine, plenty of options to dial in any tone you want off it from low gain to cruel heft. Second switch with a pot to add up to 20db clean boost to the circuit, animal. Switchable diodes. I'm running the EHX Russian muff reissue in front of mine for boost and it is merciless. Currently running the Battlehammer in parallel with a GCI Brutalist Jr., and am unbelievably happy with it. Going to build a second brutalist soon though with mods to tweak the tone a bit more, it's not as articulate as I'd like it to be in the mix but still adds a good whack in it. Very quick video here (https://youtu.be/N7DrqDulEmo) for a two note basic example of the tone - playing this set up through two amps using a DD7 as a splitter, Laney 15W as a main and a Fender Bass Amp added just for the craic. Phone quality but sounds decent all the same.
Thanks for the kind words I think the Metal Ireland special was just a discount (or free upgrade which the same thing) which I'm sure I can extend to Metal warfare.
Here's my descriptions and can pm direct with any questions. https://mooseelectronics.bigcartel.com/
A lot of people using the Battlehammers in Irish metal bands especially the doomier end of things. Dread Sovereign, Venus Sleeps, Coroza, Wild Rocket, Nomadic Rituals, Raum Kingdom, Third Island, Genuflection off the top of my head. Across the water Conan have done a few tours using one too.
Quote from: ochoill on April 19, 2019, 09:23:10 AM
In here to second the Battlehammer. I couldn't get the tone I have without mine, plenty of options to dial in any tone you want off it from low gain to cruel heft. Second switch with a pot to add up to 20db clean boost to the circuit, animal. Switchable diodes. I'm running the EHX Russian muff reissue in front of mine for boost and it is merciless. Currently running the Battlehammer in parallel with a GCI Brutalist Jr., and am unbelievably happy with it. Going to build a second brutalist soon though with mods to tweak the tone a bit more, it's not as articulate as I'd like it to be in the mix but still adds a good whack in it. Very quick video here (https://youtu.be/N7DrqDulEmo) for a two note basic example of the tone - playing this set up through two amps using a DD7 as a splitter, Laney 15W as a main and a Fender Bass Amp added just for the craic. Phone quality but sounds decent all the same.
That's hefty allright. Has a nice punch to it, its not too muddy sounding which I like. Think I'll have to give a battlehammer a try!
Quote from: moose on April 19, 2019, 04:28:51 PM
Thanks for the kind words I think the Metal Ireland special was just a discount (or free upgrade which the same thing) which I'm sure I can extend to Metal warfare.
Here's my descriptions and can pm direct with any questions. https://mooseelectronics.bigcartel.com/
A lot of people using the Battlehammers in Irish metal bands especially the doomier end of things. Dread Sovereign, Venus Sleeps, Coroza, Wild Rocket, Nomadic Rituals, Raum Kingdom, Third Island, Genuflection off the top of my head. Across the water Conan have done a few tours using one too.
Cheers Moose, I'll get in touch in a few weeks time about that
Also in the Battlehammer gang and highly recommend it., though I'd hardly play what you'd call doom (it's more grungey noise rock I guess), but I used it in Vircolac at some stage - I was always changing that pedal set up but I'm fairly sure that's the tone on "Codex Perfida", or it could have been a Grouch which was kind of a pre-cursor to the Battlehammer. I'm actually kind of tired of Rat based pedals nowadays but the Battlehammer is the job.
Also though it's a while since I've had one Moose's Dobsky was the best Muff based pedal I've used, along with the Blackout Effectors Musket (which I don't think you can still get unfortunately). I would definitely be the one to go for if doom/sludge is your thing I'd say. I used it in Lurch and may eventually get another one when funds allow.
I've also got a Big Muff Pi with Tone wicker that I really at the moment like but unfortunately it just doesn't seem to play well with the amp I'm currently using (A Peavey Valve King 100 if yer asking), so it's mainly just for messing around with recording at home. Actually must try it after the Battlehammer and see how that sounds come to think of it.
Other than that if you want an absolutely filthy more 70s sound (or are absolutely hellbent on just sounding like Electric Wizard) go for a Superfuzz or Fuzzface type pedal maybe.
Oh, fuck HM2s. I've really, really grown to fucking despise those things over the last few years.
My top tip is trying muff before Battlehammer. That way it shouldn't have as much affect on the amp. It's also my preferred order these days.
Does it doom? Youtube channel is good for pedal & Amp demos.
Quote from: moose on May 28, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
My top tip is trying muff before Battlehammer. That way it shouldn't have as much affect on the amp. It's also my preferred order these days.
I've the Muff/Battlehammer combo working the way I need to now and I'm delighted with it.
I'm going to be a dickhead and throw in an unasked for option that's possibly worth a thought. Fuck buying pedals that sound huge and makes you sound like every other band currently clogging up the doom scene. Use your amp, get it sounding as good and filthy as you can, maybe some added distortion if needed, and plough on. Amp and pedal worship is grand, effects are cool no doubt, but I think there has been an over emphasis and thus a standardisation of style because of that when really what we need at this stage to prevent doom from becoming (remaining?) utterly irrelevant is for bands to write interesting and unique songs again. Apologies for interrupting, I'll go back to whinging in the pet peeves thread :laugh:
I just like talking about pedals. Couldn't give two fucks about Doom.
To be sure. Nothing against them per se, and they are definitely useful, but I think doom has become a casualty of the LOUDNESS WAR!
Ah absolutely, I go clean on the amp though so I can have moments without any dirt at all, and use the pedals as different gain or tonal stages which is what I reckon you should be using them for. Then I have the Battlehammer working as a bit of grit or the sort of "Amp" distortion if you like, and then the Muff for the moments where things kick off into Heft City.
There's what you want now, a snip at a mere €650
https://www.adverts.ie/guitar-effects/sunn-o-eqd-life-pedal/18718724
I can already hear Andy frothing at the mouth...
Saw that. Awful shitehawkery.
Not sure how much these were originally priced at but they're certainly going for that on Reverb. I've seen people trying to just sell the box without the pedal for 50 quid.
You'd want to be either remarkably confident or utterly delusional man to think SunnO))) have enough of a clout in Ireland that you'd get 650 for that onfucking Adverts.ie
Think they were in or around $200. They were snapped up and almost immediately there was a rake of them on Reverb. But ya, Adverts at €650, I doubt it.
Think they were 249 dollars plus 50 shipping plus duty so about 350 by the time it got to Ireland. I made a replica for a lad and it sounds good but not that good. Octav into Batlehammer is way better and heavier..
I used to use the Black Arts Pharoah for a number of years in Mortichnia and it is great. Stays big but clear no matter how big the chords are or how low you tune.
I ran it both as a fuzz and also in a Tubescreamer style boosting an amp and it did both of them very well.
Hi lads, I've never been much of a pedal guy but I've been getting more interested in them recently and I thought this year I might try to put a pedalboard together as I'm starting a doom/stoner rock-ish project with a mate (our idea was Sabbath meets Floyd, even if none of our music sounds like either other than being fuzzy and a bit proggy :laugh:).
I already have a crybaby wah and russian big muff, and I'm going to get a MXR phase 90 soon.
I'm looking at getting a delay, overdrive and maybe a reverb pedal as my amp doesn't have reverb. For delay I've been looking at a MXR carbon copy which seems pretty good.
For overdrive, I'm looking for something that would be good for driving the fuzz during lead parts but also sound good on it's own during 'chiller' parts, the tube-screamer seems popular used as a boost but I'm not mad on how it sounds on it's own.
If anyone has any recommendations they would be appreciated!
The MXR Micro Amp is a good option to drive an already driven sound without adding too much of it's own character or taking away from the tone you've dialled in. The Electro Harmonix Soul Food is a Klon copy which is a different flavour of drive to the Tubescreamer style but operates the same as a TS (I.e Drive, Tone and Level knobs, driving into an overdriven sound).
If you've got a bit more cash then the EarthQuaker Devices Aacapulco gold is very nice. Its sort of a "Sunn Model T" Drive section in a Pedal and is super loud.
Quote from: ldj on December 31, 2019, 08:35:28 PM
Hi lads, I've never been much of a pedal guy but I've been getting more interested in them recently and I thought this year I might try to put a pedalboard together as I'm starting a doom/stoner rock-ish project with a mate (our idea was Sabbath meets Floyd, even if none of our music sounds like either other than being fuzzy and a bit proggy :laugh:).
I already have a crybaby wah and russian big muff, and I'm going to get a MXR phase 90 soon.
I'm looking at getting a delay, overdrive and maybe a reverb pedal as my amp doesn't have reverb. For delay I've been looking at a MXR carbon copy which seems pretty good.
For overdrive, I'm looking for something that would be good for driving the fuzz during lead parts but also sound good on it's own during 'chiller' parts, the tube-screamer seems popular used as a boost but I'm not mad on how it sounds on it's own.
If anyone has any recommendations they would be appreciated!
Check out my Sundrive reckon it could be exactly what you're looking for.
https://www.moosetwentythree.com/shop/sundrive
I'll check out the recommendations, thanks lads!
Ended up ordering the Phase 90 this morning, can't wait to have a play around with it.
Not sure if this is on topic - I'll say that it is for now.
I need to buy a delay pedal for my board. I don't use digital pedal boxes but my current delay comes from a Korg multi effects unit that I hate.
All signs seem to point towards the MXR Carbon Copy. Or it's bigger brother, the Carbon Copy Deluxe. Any one have thoughts on these (or other pedals?). Is the Deluxe worth the extra €100?
Do you need tap tempo? That's the major difference between them. I like my regular Carbon Copy but also have a DD3 for straighter/brighter repeats. The CC can be quite dark so worth comparing with the bright version and see which will suit you better.
Quote from: moose on January 20, 2020, 11:48:09 AM
Do you need tap tempo? That's the major difference between them. I like my regular Carbon Copy but also have a DD3 for straighter/brighter repeats. The CC can be quite dark so worth comparing with the bright version and see which will suit you better.
Thanks for that, Moose. The Deluxe has a bright option along with the original dark pedal sound built into it also and you can toggle between them. The tap-tempo bit is something that I'd have to learn how to use.
Niall in Rocket swears by tap and found it handy enough to get used to. Nothing I have has tap but I only use big long delays on synths so doesn't really matter for my use.
2 visits to the dentists in the past 10 days and handing over nigh on €400, not covered under my PRSI or insurance, has kicked my pedal fund square in the bollocks.
I've had to settle for a budget option - TC Electronic Echobrain - an analog pedal. It was only €45 new. It's not a pedal that I have tried out before but I've been told by three lads who own/owned them that it's pretty decent for the money.
https://www.tcelectronic.com/Categories/Tcelectronic/Guitar/Stompboxes/ECHOBRAIN-ANALOG-DELAY/p/P0CBE#googtrans(en|en)
Only know the battlehammer as 2 guitarists I play with in different bands have them. Both sound a bit different due to their preference and they both sound fucking amazing. A beast of a pedal.
TC stuff is essentially Behringer so you can't go wrong at the price point.
Cheers for the kind words on the Battlehammer.
Finally got around to picking myself up a Battlehammer from Moose.
I have nothing but good things to add to what has already been said.
HEFT, attack and smooth creamy goodness all in equal measure. I have rarely used the Russian Pi Big Muff in my chain since getting the Battlehammer.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on September 20, 2021, 05:00:21 PM
Finally got around to picking myself up a Battlehammer from Moose.
I have nothing but good things to add to what has already been said.
HEFT, attack and smooth creamy goodness all in equal measure. I have rarely used the Russian Pi Big Muff in my chain since getting the Battlehammer.
Just logged in to shill me new record but thought I'd have a look here too. Nice one! Also I'm nicking your first line there.
Finally picked up a Battlehammer today. Savage yoke altogether ! Have a feeling it won't be my last Moose pedal.
Quote from: Mr Barlow on December 06, 2023, 03:54:37 PMFinally picked up a Battlehammer today. Savage yoke altogether ! Have a feeling it won't be my last Moose pedal.
Nice one cheers for picking it up.
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Sterling work my friend. I've had several rat based pedals over the years, but none of them really gelled with my amp properly. The eq on the Battlehammer is very flexible. Sounds fucking awesome, and stacks really well with pretty much everything !
Know this thread is about dirt but I'm looking for some lived in experiences of chorus pedals. Figured I'd ask here rather than start another thread. Up until now I've just used chorus features from other pedals, but it has started to take enough of a precedence in my sound that I'd like to buy a dedicated one as dedicated are always better than multi-fx versions. I'm fine with a multi-fx one for live, but for studio stuff I'd like the real deal.
Boss CE-2W seems to sound really lovely, but has very limited scope for tweaking. No mix or blend knob for one. Walrus Audio Julia seems like it sounds good and has the features I need, though I hear it's noisy, and the core chorus tone isn't quite as good as the Boss. Mainly using it for cleans (arpeggiated stuff, plus strumming) and probably for some bass as well. Would like it if it could take dirt well, but that's not a priority as much, just planning ahead in case that becomes an important use. I do like the idea of a mix or blend knob so that I can choose between clarity or syrupy.
Any chorus pedals that have blown you away?
It won't be cheap to find nowadays I'd say but I had an old Ibanez DCF10 chorus/flanger I used on the Vircolac stuff that was great.
Had a Mr. Black double chorus I really liked for a while, was a big part of my sound for a band I was in at the time.
More recently I've used the chorus setting on a Whammy and really liked the sound from it, ive used it for that more than the actual "regular" whammy/pitch functions actually. I don't have a standalone chorus anymore but I'll pick one up eventually. Very much trying to keep the board small for gigging nowadays.
The one I really couldn't gel with was the Earthquaker Sea Machine..maybe I just got a bad one but I found it very thin sounding and a bit of a pain in the arse to dial in. You can't go wrong with a Boss OR EHX though
In my experience chorus before dirt is the way to go, but like everything else it's personal taste.
Funnily enough, I found myself in the same chorus boat just before Christmas.
I lobbed a fair few hints and outright "are you making a run of fucking chorus pedals any time soon" bombs at Ochoill/QuillFX but he wouldn't bite. :laugh:
Picked up the MXR analog - https://www.jimdunlop.com/mxr-analog-chorus/
I'm happy with my purchase but I still haven't had the time to really play with or get the hang of it. One thing that it seems to need is a fair bit of input volume to get it... em... chorusing - but this could be down to me not knowing what I'm doing. :laugh:
Think it was less than €100 on Amazon. It was certainly cheaper than Thomann and far,
far cheaper than my local guitar shop who seem to think that people have not yet heard of the internet.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on February 09, 2024, 09:42:43 PMThe one I really couldn't gel with was the Earthquaker Sea Machine..maybe I just got a bad one but I found it very thin sounding and a bit of a pain in the arse to dial in. You can't go wrong with a Boss OR EHX though
Glad to read this. The EqD Sea Machine was another one that I had my eye on - but it was a bit pricey for me, considering I'm not in a band at the minute.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on February 12, 2024, 11:54:27 AMI lobbed a fair few hints and outright "are you making a run of fucking chorus pedals any time soon" bombs at Ochoill/QuillFX but he wouldn't bite. :laugh:
You'll hate me come summertime because I am about to start the ground work on these next month, it just took me the entirety of last year to design/redevelop all the dirt I was working on so I had to clear that all out first. I'm still sitting on rakes of it since it seems everyone just wants the delays now. Not that I am complaining, I like those delays, just wish I had built twenty of them instead of five :laugh:
Anyway. Yes I will have a chorus this year but not until summer sometime.
Ended up going with the Boss CE-2W as it seems to be so universally considered the best online, and also sounds great in demos. Thing is, when I compared it next to the chorus on my Kemper, it genuinely wasn't all that different (Kemper has a specific Boss chorus preset). I was expecting the Kemper to be fairly similar but the Boss to just have this extra level of quality and magic to it (I've had this experience with a few other effects I've compared where the Kemper is very good, but the dedicated pedal is just obviously higher quality) but I just wasn't hearing it! Certainly not $300 worth more. Either way, I only got a quick-ish test with it late last night. I'll give it a much more thorough going over at the weekend. If I'm still not hearing much difference though I guess I'll just be returning it!
Returned the CE-2W and went with an EHX Small Clone. Now this is the stuff!
Also probably the most attractive pedal on my board...
Just a heads up if you're looking for ultra high gain/metal distortions, there's a rake up very affordable on Adverts currently. I snagged a This Heavy Earth "Fleshrot" , and the same guy has a Klirrton "OH My Goat" , Lichtlaerm Audio "Gehenna" (can vouch for this being an excellent bit of kit)and a few other HM2 style bits up. There's a Lone Wolf Audio "Vigilante" on there as well.
Just looking at those names types out looks ridiculous, but if you know about these things you'll know what they are
edit: Bought the "Flesh Rot" off him, absolutely whopper pedal for metal stuff. Getting some nice Celtic Frost/Divine Eve sounds out of it.
Edit:never mind