Trading something on their socials maybe dates. Is Patton going to be involved though? The band seemed really unhappy with him, though I did see a pic of himself and Bordin at an event recently and all looked jovial
Courtney Love is back. Fucking shambles.
Point No More
Cuckoo for Caca
That came from out of nowhere
Quote from: Bürggermeister on June 16, 2026, 04:06:19 PMCourtney Love is back. Fucking shambles.
Erm, not true? Is this a joke.
Also I have seen ppl commenting on socials "bring Jim back", no chance there, does he even play guitar anymore (not that he couldn't now but..)
The last FNM album was welcome but didn't do it for me personally. Patton doesn't seem to be interested anyway, end of. He never seemed that interested back in the day either (his main focus was always Mr Bungle or something else), constantly taking the mick, So, what's the point.
Sol Invictus was shit, but most interesting is that Album Of The Year is 30 next year, maybe they'll play it through? That'd be worth seeing.
As a video in lieu of a support act at a gig where they play a good album in full, perhaps?
Lower the bar, so to speak, in advance of good music being played ;)
I'd take AOTY over Sol Invictus, KFADFFAL and the Mosley albums any day of the week, it's quite underrated IMO. While The Real Thing and Angel Dust are their undeniable peak(s), I've played them to death and AOTY is my go-to FNM album these days.
https://forum.metalwarfare.com/index.php?topic=3324.0
Now, about the possible reunion: I would go anyway.
Patton is in, he just reposted it.
While I know it won't happen, I'd like to see Jim Martin back for a trip with them. It says a lot about how much of a non-entity John Hudson is that someone who hasn't released anything in over 30 years with them has more appeal.
My only concern is this ends up being big festivals only.A Dublin show would be lovely.
Also, Im available if they're stuck for a guitarist obviously.. cough cough :laugh:
Saw them 4 times back in the day and would love to bring the young lad to see them again. Thought last allium was actually good. Never a big fan of AOTY. Good news.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/bill-gould-confirms-faith-no-mores-return-to-live-activity-were-gonna-play-and-i-think-that-we-can-do-it-for-a-few-more-years
Jaysus , first dates are supporting System of A Down In Australia. System have aged terribly.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 27, 2026, 03:09:27 PMJaysus , first dates are supporting System of A Down In Australia. System have aged terribly.
Seen SOAD a month ago. They were bloody amazing, was in the pit the whole show. Great craic...
Saw them 25 years ago too, and they were great then too...
Seen them before. Garbage.
I'd put SOAD as easily the worst band to ever make it "mainstream big" in Metal.
Can't think of a worse band that's had the recognition they've had. While I'm no fan of Limp Bizkit or Slipknot - I can see the virtue in their music and their playing - SOAD, nothing worthwhile, some of the absolute worst music I've ever heard, annoyingly bad - awful playing, worse tunes.
FNM opening for them is a travesty.
Anyone read Roddy Bottum's book? While an interesting read in some respects, at time it read like he wasn't even really in band and was more just a friend of Courtney Love's... I get that it's his Bio and not an FNM book - but the way he glosses over band members - "our guitar player..." etc. just seems a bit weird. Good as an insight into alternative lifestyles and some of the earliest days in FNM - but not great as musicians bio.
QuoteWhile I'm no fan of Limp Bizkit ... - I can see the virtue in their music and their playing
I'll be chuckling at this for days; cheers! The "virtue" of Limp Bizkit's music :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: Ah even the Bizkit had a couple of riffs to their name. Tune the rest of it out and it's far less objectionable
Otto, Borland and Rivers are savage musicians.
Nothing going on at all in SOAD.
The first SOAD is savage. Or was in 98 anyway! I think they had heaps going for them on that album. Toxicity was meh and I stopped paying attention after that. I do agree that it seems bizarre to have FNM as support to SOAD, and not the other way around. Then again, Faith No More haven't been huge since the early 90s so...
First System album is deadly.
I thought that when it dropped. Listen to it now.
Lyrics especially are toe curling. "Dial up the whackiness lads"
Dude, you're defending Limp Bizkit. You couldn't be in a more fragile glasshouse when it comes to lyrics especially :laugh:
Quote from: Neuromancer on July 28, 2026, 11:34:28 AMI'd put SOAD as easily the worst band to ever make it "mainstream big" in Metal.
Can't think of a worse band that's had the recognition they've had. While I'm no fan of Limp Bizkit or Slipknot - I can see the virtue in their music and their playing - SOAD, nothing worthwhile, some of the absolute worst music I've ever heard, annoyingly bad - awful playing, worse tunes.
With ya 100%. I can think of no other band, that make my skin crawl in utter disgust and cringe to the same degree as system of a down. Its hard to describe the effect they have on me. Alot of music Im not into just invokes apathy, SOAD though, sheer full body revulsion. Despite my extremely dubious taste growing up, they disgusted me at the time too :laugh:
Nothing could be clearer to me than why many metallers did and would absolutely despise SOAD. But seriously, if you're going to try and come up with arguments to try to prove that some of their mainstream metal peers were better on some kind of objective genuinely artistic grounds then that could only possibly produce hilarious results. So please, please, please... do carry on! :laugh:
defending
Very strong term.
I heard War? on a Metal Hammer CD and in 98 the nu metal stuff that was flooding in and being pumped up by that magazine was really fucking bad. This stood out a mile in that landscape. Even to my much-less discriminating ear. I think I probably listened to enough good bands throughout the 90s that most of the nu metal bands being hyped were clearly pretty bad, and had me scratching my head. I'm always bummed out that I didn't have an older metal head pal to guide me in the dark arts of death, black and doom back then (although I maybe wasn't fully ready to commit to the dark stuff just yet, either) so I was left to my own devices to sieve through the detritus of MH's recommendations. When SOAD appeared, they had the cool, hip and NOW vibe of the nu metal movement (it didn't have a name back then, though. Woolly hat music was one title I heard used to describe it back then!), but they had the whackiness/inventiveness/unpredictability of prime Faith No More combined with the energy and political anger of punk and a savage production that sounded real and gritty compared to many of their peers. Even the album cover was stark and upfront, unlike the cutesy angle many others were doing.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 28, 2026, 12:36:37 PMdefending
Very strong term.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 28, 2026, 11:52:05 AMOtto, Borland and Rivers are savage musicians.
I mean, I don't even know which one plays which instrument between "Otto" and "Rivers", names I'm not even familiar with, but Borland is, at best, competent.
Quoteinventiveness
Ah here!!!! We need a sin bin around here - that's a red card! Listen to that record again, it's so one-dimensional.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 28, 2026, 12:29:53 PMNothing could be clearer to me than why many metallers did and would absolutely despise SOAD. But seriously, if you're going to try and come up with arguments to try to prove that some of their mainstream metal peers were better on some kind of objective genuinely artistic grounds then that could only possibly produce hilarious results. So please, please, please... do carry on! :laugh:
I'll give it a go. I think, the lack of any semblance of self awareness in something like Limp Bizkit in terms of how ridiculously bad their lyrics are give em a bit more of a pass in my mind. In a "god bless them, I suppose they're trying" sorta way, and I ultimately am left with apathy, it doesnt horrify me nor does it excite me in any capacity. SOADs nattering manchild at the helm of the band on the other hand is abhorrent on another level. Their attempts to be funny, and likely self aware, fall so short of humourous and are just so far beyond contrived make me want to off myself more than any DSBM album ever could.
Sorry to the system fans in the house for attacking something ye like, Im in foul humour today and this is therapy :abbath: I think I may still hold a grudge from when I blind bought one of their cds as a teen...
SOAD are woegeous, no apologies needed. Let's leave it at that.
Quote from: Goosebumples on July 28, 2026, 12:46:01 PMSorry to the system fans in the house for attacking something ye like, Im in foul humour today and this is therapy :abbath:
Haha! Vent it out dude! :)
One dimensional it definitely is not. Whacky, yep. I'd be more allergic to a new bands emerging like them now for that reason, but every single song on the album had its own character. The album was full of twists and turns. There's a fucking polka beat a the main riff in one song which was so far away from the simple chuggery of 99.9% of the post-Korn scene. They were drawing influences from their Armenian heritage and the politics and history of that country which was, again, about a far from the doonackfickinackdaddydontbummybumbum lyrics that Davis, and latterly Flobb and friends, were waffling about. The spooky Marilyn Mansonisms were blatantly absent too, and they were otherwise everywhere back then. SOAD were coming from a completely different angle to the Coal Chambers and.... I'm running out of names... Defenestrations (!), who were clearly trying to jump on the bandwagon.
I can't really comment on their other albums. Toxicity felt to me like a watered down version of the debut- though it probably still possessed a magnitude more creativity than whatever else was being pushed by MH in 2000.
I get why people might well be allergic to aspects of the debut, but to accused it of one- dimensionality just doesn't hold water.
Am I really spending this amount of energy defending a nu metal band? :laugh:
QuoteOne dimensional it definitely is no
All the songs are in the same feckin key! As Fr Ted said "It's the same note over and over again".
Cannot believe these chumps are being favourably compared to Faith no More.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 28, 2026, 12:53:19 PMAm I really spending this amount of energy defending a nu metal band? :laugh:
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
Corpse paint privileges revoked, sorry, I don't make the rules.
"All the songs are in the same feckin key!"
Haha! Nuking entire stockpiles of classic rock and metal albums here just to get digs in against SOAD :laugh:
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 28, 2026, 12:55:25 PMCannot believe these chumps are being favourably compared to Faith no More.
I didn't see anyone go this far though. Now that
would be ludicrous, tbf.
Limp Bizkit and SOAD both have good albums and some good songs outside of those albums but FNM are better than both of them combined by about 100 fold. Is that what the thread is about? I skimmed most of it lol
Quotethey had the whackiness/inventiveness/unpredictability of prime Faith No More
QuoteHaha! Nuking entire stockpiles of classic rock and metal albums here just to get digs in against SOAD :laugh:
Relentless.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 28, 2026, 01:16:51 PMQuotethey had the whackiness/inventiveness/unpredictability of prime Faith No More
Ah... I had tldr'ed that post :laugh:
Lettin' the side down with that one Andy!
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 28, 2026, 01:16:51 PMQuotethey had the whackiness/inventiveness/unpredictability of prime Faith No More
I think he means the kind of silly stuff that shouldn't work, but somehow does.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 28, 2026, 12:39:14 PM]
I mean, I don't even know which one plays which instrument between "Otto" and "Rivers", names I'm not even familiar with, but Borland is, at best, competent.
Ah no, Borland is a fucking great, if unconventional, guitarist
My point is that, comparing them with the overall nu metal movement, they were taking their cues from outside of that narrow realm. FNM were whacky, inventive and creative, and I can see those same traits in the first SOAD album. I think they took influence from Angel Dust and put their own, ethnic spin on it. Would I rate their album above The Real Thing or Angel Dust? No. But I think that in their own right they did a great job on that multi- dimensional album.
I'd say if we're playing the Patton-influencing-SOAD card it's probably more the "wackiness" or mischievousness of the first Mr. Bungle that I hear on th first SOAD album than FNM. I also hear a lot more punk in there than most people as well I'd expect, Dead Kennedys in particular. They don't sound like either of these bands directly, but I hear that influence in there more than anything of "Angel dust".
SOAD are basically a metal Oingo Boingo I reckon.
No major interest in them, but they aren't the worst. I always thought they got lumped in wit Nu Metal for their timing rather than anything, they don't have the same chugga chugga thing to my ears.
Defo a punk buzz with them, yup. DK is a spot on reference point.
SOAD: Like them or loathe them. There's no denying their pulling power...
Saw them in the Strawberry Arena in Stockholm a month ago and it was rammed...
Strawberry Arena has a concert capacity of approximately 60,000 to 65,000 people, depending on the layout and position of the stage. Maximum configurations for specific show setups can occasionally scale up to around 75,000.
Can't deny the energy in the place. Pits going on everywhere, was serious craic up the front...
Instagram and the likes are helping the numbers no doubt...
Edit: I tried to time stamp it to the 18min 15secs part, where the video expands on the crowd...
And at 131mins... Was epic!
Bought the first album after hearing Know and War? on free CDs at the time but found the album too eccentric, for want of a better word, so sold it again. Toxicity was big when I was in school but never had any interest in it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 28, 2026, 12:29:53 PMNothing could be clearer to me than why many metallers did and would absolutely despise SOAD. But seriously, if you're going to try and come up with arguments to try to prove that some of their mainstream metal peers were better on some kind of objective genuinely artistic grounds then that could only possibly produce hilarious results. So please, please, please... do carry on! :laugh:
Don't want to derail the thread from FNM any further but yeah, this is spot on.
Not a fan of SOAD by any means but if you're gonna slate them while trying to make a case for the abysmal likes of Limp Bizkit, then you're at nothing really. Regardless of their relative 'musical' merits, at least they had a bit more going on than the dumb as fuck, whiny jock rock peddled by LB. Dunno if it's just a misplaced sense of nostalgia or attempt at irony, but this nu metal revival can go fuck off.
I heard a track off the first SOAD album in Supermac's of all places, must have been on John Kenny's show. Hated the vocals, liked the riffs. Bought and loved the album at the time, but I find it unlistenable now. Toxicity was dull, Steal This Album! was shite. Hypnotise and Mesmerise (to spell them correctly) are great, and best listened to as a unit. They've held up well and are probably the only albums from the nu metal days that are listenable for me.
Are they better than the classic FNM releases? Of course not, and I'd never put them above FNM on a live bill. But they probably draw more punters (like it or not, there's a generation who've never heard FNM) and as a result, there they are.
Limp Biscuit are shite, just no.
(This should probably continue in the nu metal thread TBF.)
I don't think anyone was "making a case" or "defending" LB, I personally think both bands are cack. I just happened to say I thought LB possess the better musicians and I still think that. I'm not at home listening to Chocolate Starfish on repeat or anything.
SOAD are as bad as any of the other crap mentioned and can't get over the favourable comparisons to Faith No More or now The first Mr Bungle record is being mentioned - this is lunacy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vBGOrI6yBk&ra=m&t=72s
Rightly or wrongly, FNM were always cited as an influence on nu metal but I doubt anyone could credibly claim that SOAD are artistically on par with them or Mr. Bungle.
Actually, just listened to that link above and it hasn't really aged that well to be honest. That said though, regardless of your views on their music, their politics or message, it's infinitely better than "I did it all for the nookie" or similar garbage.
Quoteit's infinitely better
We're literally debating over perceived qualities of two lumps of shite. Think we should all just agree it's a sad world where Faith No More's comeback gigs are support to System of a Down.
I like me a bit of SOAD and FNM never did anything for me. Now if you'll excuse me I appear to have a hall to leave :abbath:
Think some people here dont grasp how big SOAD are - Chop Suey has 2 billion spotify views! FNM isn't even close.
At least some of SOADs lyrics are actually about something, i'll say that for them. Limp Bizkit are indefensibly bad.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 28, 2026, 06:27:28 PMI don't think anyone was "making a case" or "defending" LB, I personally think both bands are cack.
...We're literally debating over perceived qualities of two lumps of shite.
Ahem...
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on March 16, 2025, 08:55:47 AMGold Cobra is indeed a cool album
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on October 19, 2025, 11:44:44 AMcaught them live a few times and it's always been great craic.
The Coal Chamber of threads
:laugh: :laugh:
Taking today off work so it seems only fitting to fire on Angel Dust and follow it up with SOAD. Yes, in that exact, heavenly ordained order.
I first encountered SOAD while playing a PS game, the name escapes me however Bruce Willis voiced the main character, I could be wrong, but during game play footage of Suit-Pee could be seen. I bought the album off the back of that, enjoyed it at the time. Ex bought me Toxicity but I'd become bored of em' by that stage.
FNM when on form are in a completely different league.
Quote from: OpenSores on July 28, 2026, 10:25:06 PMI first encountered SOAD while playing a PS game, the name escapes me however Bruce Willis voiced the main character, I could be wrong, but during game play footage of Suit-Pee could be seen. I bought the album off the back of that, enjoyed it at the time. Ex bought me Toxicity but I'd become bored of em' by that stage.
FNM when on form are in a completely different league.
Apocalypse, don't remember the music in it though. I do remember a low res bruce willis however.
I do remember that I was aghast that SOAD were above Slayer on that Ozzfest bill in 2002 in Punches town... but I guess promoters are onto what the younger crowd want, and have been for a while...
The System debut playing here now. I can definitely see why this resonated with me so much when I was sixteen. It's so energetic and somewhat karayzee, with mostly pretty dam good song writing. I think Serj is a highly talented singer but he overdoes it quite a bit at times :laugh: Again, the whackiness was more palatable to me back then than it is these days, but as the tunes are so ingrained in my brain from back then, and suffused with nostalgia, I can tolerate it. I wonder if he'd reined in some of his more excessive impulse and kept things a little more straight forward would it have a), been as successful with da yoof back then, but b), been more respectable today.
A fun little ripper of an album, but I think one revisit will do for now.
Bungle were on that "Sno-Core" festival tour back in 2000 which was headlined by SOAD so in spite of Patton's apology for FNM being the primary influence on nu-metal, he was happy to do it then and it's obvious FNM have no issue with it at all now. In fact, I'd argue tis a wise choice as Nu-Metal has been riding this wave of (retro/nostalgia) resurgance and now it's System's turn. If Pantera can build awareness and sell some merch to new fans on the back of their touring with Metallica, then Faith No More must surely be thinking along the same lines.
Anyway I couldn't give a fuck who they support as I'll hopefully get to see them again, when I was 99.9% sure we'd all seen the last of 'em.
First SOAD album is savage. Banging riffs with batshit lyrics. My 18 year self loved it. Seen em twice. Great craic both times.
Think Bungle took the Sno core tour booking because of Kiedis getting them kicked from Big Day Out and Reading/Leeds.
Dunn was slagging Patton about "shitty bands that sound like your old band that FedEx Coors Light when they play Europe"" the following year in a Fantômas interview.
Quote from: Sworntothecans on July 29, 2026, 09:50:05 PMThink Bungle took the Sno core tour booking because of Kiedis getting them kicked from Big Day Out and Reading/Leeds.
Dunn was slagging Patton about "shitty bands that sound like your old band that FedEx Coors Light when they play Europe"" the following year in a Fantômas interview.
That rings a bell alright re the Sno Core tour now that you say it. Would have been shortly after the release of California too right?
Yeah it was the California tour, SOAD had just released their first, Incubus their second (?).
The chili's had just shat out Californication so Kiedis (and Rick Rubin as they'd slagged him too) had a lot of influence at Warners. Killed the ad campaign for Bungle too.
Talking about whacky bands, I loved the first Incubus and the EP before it back in those days. They were unreal musicians. I revisited S.C.I.E.N.C.E. a few years ago and didn't get far through it, though. I'll just leave it alone and enjoy the memories :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 29, 2026, 11:12:25 PMTalking about whacky bands, I loved the first Incubus and the EP before it back in those days. They were unreal musicians. I revisited S.C.I.E.N.C.E. a few years ago and didn't get far through it, though. I'll just leave it alone and enjoy the memories :laugh:
I only ever knew SCIENCE when I was younger and I liked it, the next album did nothing for me and I forgot about them as it went on. Went back to SCIENCE a few years ago on a whim and enjoyed one or two songs but jesus it didn't hold up well at all otherwise :laugh:
Yeah, the one after it was shite. All of the creativity and energy of the early stuff (which has held up poorly, but was the appeal at the time) was cut out in favour of a more streamlined, mainstream sound. And they took off with it, so fair play, but not my bag.
The supporting SOAD thing is reminding me of the time I heard NIN were going to play a gig in Dublin and I was delighted until I found out they'd be supporting Foo Fighters. What an awful, awful downer
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 29, 2026, 11:12:25 PMTalking about whacky bands, I loved the first Incubus and the EP before it back in those days. They were unreal musicians. I revisited S.C.I.E.N.C.E. a few years ago and didn't get far through it, though. I'll just leave it alone and enjoy the memories :laugh:
Think the only good thing that came out of Incubus was the singers cameo in Reservation Dogs.