Probably deserves it's own thread.
I'm finding it hard to get truly excited about it. Much like Gore and Ohms there's nothing new on it. I think they get away with a little more murder than most because Chino's voice is so unique. But the last three records have been very comfortable, safe. |Don't get me wrong there's some cool bits here and there but for me anyway it's another 6/10. Good, not great.
I'm already sick of it as the rest of the house has it on all the time.
Wouldn't call Moreno's voice unique at all. He's just doing a mashup of HR from Bad Brains and Robert Smith.
I'd say Madonna & her manager are raging as they're finally drawing serious money as they were the runts of the litter at Maverick records for years before they changed management.
I've struggled with Deftones since Around the Fur but Ray shared a new single with me yesterday and I liked it so I gave the album a blast. A few very cool songs but I did have to tap out eventually. It gets too samey sounding after four or five songs, and Chino has a serious case of Björkitis. What he does, he does well, but the trick wears thin pretty quickly.
I find it much better than Gore or Ohms.
I love them but as I said elsewhere, feels like it was made by AI and up there with Gore as their worst, if not their actual worst. The two singles are good, I Think About You All The Time is ok, and that's it. Absolute shit, which is a shocker because Ohms was fantastic
QuoteHe's just doing a mashup of HR from Bad Brains and Robert Smith
I think that's a slightly unfair comparison, Smith doesn't have Morenos range - young Mclove's Björkitis reference is closer. And I'd consider that unique.
QuoteIt gets too samey sounding after four or five songs
Massive part of the problem with Modern day Deftones, like Alice in Chains these days it's all delivered at the same pace. A gear shift every once and a while could pay dividends. Chino uses the harsh voice less and less too which makes it all seem so one dimensional.
They've definitely put out some great records since Around the Fur. White Pony and Diamond Eyes would be my own picks. I think Deftones, Saturday Night and Koi No Yokan all have interesting bits on them and are worth the time but the last three have been so middle of the road. I know Stefan doesn't tour with them anymore but are they even getting into a room together to jam? It doesn't sound like it.
Bit shocked that you like Ohms Pentagrimes. I'd file it in the same category as Gore. I gave it all the time in the world too.
Nah, the run from Urantia to This Link is Dead on Ohms is a particular favourite. First two tracks are farly meh but overall I really like it.
I've ben with them since the first album and even some of the albums that I'm not mad about have some great songs on them. But Gore and this are the two exceptions.
Dunno what's going on with Carpenter. I know it's supposedly anxiety that stops him touring but he just seems like an absolute oddball god love him.
Ya, I enjoyed Ohms as well. Have no interest in checking this out currently but I will at some point.
QuoteI know it's supposedly anxiety that stops him touring but he just seems like an absolute oddball god love him
Hard to know. Does seem like he smokes waaaaay too much, could've cooked himself.
Gore was woeful, found Ohms had no staying power either - Private Music feels the same - some decent ideas in there but overall poor. Koi No Yokan was the last album that I liked enough but even then it felt like they were starting to decline. Still think Saturday Night Wrist has some of the best songs overall with about 2 or so duds (they've never had a flawless album).
Looking forward to seeing them next year all the same - last time I saw them I think was 2006 in the ambassador? Would like to see them release the album that they recorded with the bassist before he passed at some point as that late 2000s Deftones era seemed the strongest to me.
I have yet to listen to this. Record came in the post last week but my player is out of action at the minute and it came without a download code (booo). Had my time taken up with other albums but I'll get to it an evening this week.
No interest in Gore but I love Ohms.
My Mind is a Mountain. Departing the Body. Infinite Source. I Think About You All the Time. Milk of the Madonna. Metal Dream are all quality for me. The rest are grand. While I probably preder Koi No, this is on a par imo.
Surprised that people are so mixed at best on this. Think it's their best since Koi No Yokan and probably better than Diamond Eyes too.
I don't know how much in terms of surprises a band going for thirty years can be expected to bring - I'd rather praise them for being remarkably consistent and still interesting after such a long time.
I thought it was fairly shit at first but it has grown on me a lot to the extent I'm putting it ahead of Gore at least now and maybe Diamond Eyes as well, and that's as far as it has stepped up the pecking order. I like it but that's after like 15 listens and who is going to put that sort of time in to anything now unless they're fairly dedicated.
Still think the self titled is my
favourite, while we're here. Koi No Yokan is the best of Deftones version 2.
QuoteThink it's their best since Koi No Yokan and probably better than Diamond Eyes too.
Jesus, absolute madness. I literally just posted in pet peeves that when someone says their best since, they're usually talking shite so thanks for this.
I liken this sort of craic to people creaming themselves over Faith No Mores Sol Invictus, once the new record excitement fades it'll be filed under Not awful/Not Great
I'm on about that listens wise too, it's not getting any better. There's a few good tracks but it never soars to greatness
Quote from: Optimus Whine on September 01, 2025, 06:34:23 PMSurprised that people are so mixed at best on this. Think it's their best since Koi No Yokan and probably better than Diamond Eyes too.
:abbath: fully agree.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on September 01, 2025, 06:43:27 PMQuoteThink it's their best since Koi No Yokan and probably better than Diamond Eyes too.
Jesus, absolute madness. I literally just posted in pet peeves that when someone says their best since, they're usually talking shite so thanks for this.
I liken this sort of craic to people creaming themselves over Faith No Mores Sol Invictus, once the new record excitement fades it'll be filed under Not awful/Not Great
I'm on about that listens wise too, it's not getting any better. There's a few good tracks but it never soars to greatness
Is it really absolute madness to hold that opinion? Gore was mediocre and Ohms was better, but it wasn't all that great... So I don't think it's too wild to say this album is the best since KNY. The blocky heaviness of Diamond Eyes never really did it for me, but, to each their own.
I thought it was pretty meh at first, but, like has been said above elsewhere, it's grown on me. I think there's a number of good tracks on it: Milk of The Madonna, Ecdysis, Souvenir, Infinite Source, cXz, Departing The Body.
Don't get me wrong I'm not putting it up with WP or ATF - absolutely not - but, I think it's a grower and I'm pleasantly surprised by its quality after, IMO, two lesser albums prior to this.
I was having a jovial jab there. But I still maintain its new album syndrome. For example Gore is a piss poor album - but Rubicon and Prayers are up there with their best. There's nothing of that standard on this album, nothing as bad as Gores worst, it's just completely safe, middle of the road and devoid of any excitement
I get Diamond eyes isn't to everyone's tastes - I think it's up there. But at least they tried something different.
Nah, I'd rule out new album syndrome right from the off because Gore and Ohms didn't nothing for me, and I was content them having a great selection of earlier stuff. This has a few early standout songs and potentially a couple of growers.
See you in five years when the next one drops.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on September 01, 2025, 07:34:23 PMI was having a jovial jab there. But I still maintain its new album syndrome. For example Gore is a piss poor album - but Rubicon and Prayers are up there with their best. There's nothing of that standard on this album, nothing as bad as Gores worst, it's just completely safe, middle of the road and devoid of any excitement
I get Diamond eyes isn't to everyone's tastes - I think it's up there. But at least they tried something different.
I liked Gore at first, but then went off it pretty quickly. Ohms was more consistent, but I never went through a period of loving it.
TBF to this one it's not all great: My Mind is a Mountain is a bit of a go-nowhere plodder for me, I don't really like I Think About You All The Time - I think Infinite Source covers the same territory, but done more consisely and effectively - the two "rap" numbers towards the back of the record are questionable.
I think the rest of it is good stuff. Milk of The Madonna is going to stay on their setlists forever. I also really love Souvenir - it blew past me the first few listens, but I honestly think it's epic, even if I'd cut the two minutes of synth outro.
Well that's the test. Let's see what stays. I seen them on the Gore run and they only played one track.
I reckon Milk Of The Madonna is the best tune on it.