Bands you really used to like and still listen to their old stuff, but couldn't be arsed anymore with their new stuff (lets say their last 3-4 albums) and even in this free download era haven't bothered to listen to it for free that never mind buy the CD or whatever
for me its
Metallica
Maiden
Megadeth
Def Leppard
ACDC
Who is on your "can't be fucking arsed anymore" list?
Unfortunately I'm that way with most bands. That's why I started a thread recently looking for starting points on bands that I didn't give attention to at the time.
Paradise Lost instantly spring to mind, they've become increasingly dull as time's passed. Draconian Times is the last one I liked and that's 30 years old.
Gary Glitter
Quote from: Maggot Colony on August 19, 2025, 11:36:04 AMGary Glitter
No the thread is bands you can't get into anymore, not performers who can't get into their fans anymore
Quote from: The Great Cull on August 19, 2025, 11:41:09 AMQuote from: Maggot Colony on August 19, 2025, 11:36:04 AMGary Glitter
No the thread is bands you can't get into anymore, not performers who can't get into their fans anymore
:laugh:
Slayer, I used to love God Hates Us All, but now I can't take the vocals.
Also the whole album is far too thin sounding.
That carried on after that.
World Painted Blood was supposed to be some sort of return to form. The whole thing is in the red.
Hatebreed. Someone told him he could hold a tune so Jasta started some form of melodic singing and the riffs became even more recycled.
Alice In Chains. NO.
Paradise Lost, Katatonia, Opeth, Overkill, Megadeth
Basically bands that put out shit every two years and have a stupid amount of records.
I'd be more inclined to give a new Metallica record a go because there's so much time passing between albums.
Overkill are still putting out decent albums IMO.
Napalm Death - Smear Campaign was fantastic, probably my favourite by them but they fell sharply off the cliff after that. Haven't bothered with the last couple, have no inclination to at this stage. And from the live footage I've seen, Barney's voice is completely gone.
QuoteOverkill are still putting out decent albums IMO.
There was a good run of garbage Bloodletting, Immortalis, Reliv or whatever all the same thing. Ironbound was good but the bits I heard off Electric Age etc didn't thrill me.
Overkill are grand, but it's been pretty much the same album for the last fifteen years or so. You could swap songs in and out between their recent stuff and be hard pressed to notice a difference
Katatonia are the greatest example of this that I can think of.
Album after album of the same song since about 2004
And the songs aren't even that bad, they're just nothing like
Most bands, honestly. Like a tv series, you only get a few good albums from a band before it becomes stale, unfocused or something different entirely. Usually.
Obviously there are exceptions, but most of the bands I love, I find the majority of their new stuff boring.
Maybe I need to open my mind a little and give the newer albums more of a chance, but it never seems worthwhile...
Discovering new bands is way more enjoyable to me than listening to old bands new songs.
Judas Priest, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth etc... I have absolutely no interest in listening to anything new these types of bands release. The older the band is, the less chance I'll even listen to the new stuff. Mostly.
Agreed with Katatonia, pretty much the first band that springs to mind here. I was on board up until and including Viva Emptiness but everything since has been a chore.
Mastodon have been hit and miss with me for a while now, I actually didn't mind Hushed and Grim but the prospect of new material doesn't hold much interest for me.
Napalm Death...yeah to an extent but I really enjoyed Throes of Joy...
Nine Inch Nails - have released so much material over the years but nothing of consequence since the Fragile tbh. And that was a long time ago. Some of the eps were ok i suppose but I've lost hope of one last great album.
Following a band for completeness sake just doesn't make sense to me in general anymore. It really has worn thin, especially for bands who have a "signature" sound.
A band mentioned a few times here already is Paradise Lost. I'm a massive fan of them BRFORE anything resembling a signature sound was a thing with them. It's mind blowing to think how they evolved (for better or worse) between 1990 to 1999 on Lost Paradise to Host. Recent releases are just various shades (pardon the pun) of the same thing.
Likewise the likes of Metallica and Megadeth in the first ten years.
Once a band seems to lock in on a formula, it's very hard to maintain an excitement for what may be about to land.
Granted when a band doesn't stick to a formula, it doesn't always hit the spot with the initial fanbase. Not too many people who were wowed by Gothic, would be fawning over One Second and very few who loved Beneath The Remains will see the value in Roots but at least these bands were artistically exploring new ground at the time.
A band like Overkill or Exodus who rarely deviated from the formula ran thin on interest with me far sooner (in fact its this approach that fucked thwmselves in the late 90s). And do I really need to own all the recent Testament or Clutch albums? Do I fuck.
And to save Burggermeister the bother of typing it, it's bands like Voivod and Sepultura that constantly evolved, not giving a fuck about others that keeps some level of interest these days.
Quote from: The Great Cull on August 19, 2025, 11:41:09 AMQuote from: Maggot Colony on August 19, 2025, 11:36:04 AMGary Glitter
No the thread is bands you can't get into anymore, not performers who can't get into their fans anymore
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :abbath: :abbath:
Quote from: John Kimble on August 19, 2025, 03:46:43 PMAgreed with Katatonia, pretty much the first band that springs to mind here. I was on board up until and including Viva Emptiness but everything since has been a chore.
Mastodon have been hit and miss with me for a while now, I actually didn't mind Hushed and Grim but the prospect of new material doesn't hold much interest for me.
Napalm Death...yeah to an extent but I really enjoyed Throes of Joy...
Nine Inch Nails - have released so much material over the years but nothing of consequence since the Fragile tbh. And that was a long time ago. Some of the eps were ok i suppose but I've lost hope of one last great album.
I'm still hanging on for NIN against all logic
Quote from: The Great Cull on August 19, 2025, 05:15:20 PMFollowing a band for completeness sake just doesn't make sense to me in general anymore. It really has worn thin, especially for bands who have a "signature" sound.
A band mentioned a few times here already is Paradise Lost. I'm a massive fan of them BRFORE anything resembling a signature sound was a thing with them. It's mind blowing to think how they evolved (for better or worse) between 1990 to 1999 on Lost Paradise to Host. Recent releases are just various shades (pardon the pun) of the same thing.
Likewise the likes of Metallica and Megadeth in the first ten years.
Once a band seems to lock in on a formula, it's very hard to maintain an excitement for what may be about to land.
Granted when a band doesn't stick to a formula, it doesn't always hit the spot with the initial fanbase. Not too many people who were wowed by Gothic, would be fawning over One Second and very few who loved Beneath The Remains will see the value in Roots but at least these bands were artistically exploring new ground at the time.
A band like Overkill or Exodus who rarely deviated from the formula ran thin on interest with me far sooner (in fact its this approach that fucked thwmselves in the late 90s). And do I really need to own all the recent Testament or Clutch albums? Do I fuck.
And to save Burggermeister the bother of typing it, it's bands like Voivod and Sepultura that constantly evolved, not giving a fuck about others that keeps some level of interest these days.
Voivod are a proper example of a band that keep it interesting. They're fucking brilliant.
Here's one that maybe nobody thought of, but Mesghuggah had absolutely nothing to offer after Catch 33, even though it's not even bad since it's just nothing though, not Nothing either though
Paradise Lost and Katatonia are easily the winners in this category. A real shame and it isn't even that they are gone bad - just absolutely unremarkable.
Meshuggah are excellent up to and including Obzen but after that have good songs, no good albums.
Enslaved, was just listening to BTL again yesterday after it was mentioned again in the other thread. An absolutely immaculate album, in the middle of a run of savage releases. Then around/after Ruun it all sort of lost its vigour. The proggier albums are good and I put them on here and there but the interest barely lasts a few days.
Quote from: ochoill on August 19, 2025, 06:48:12 PMParadise Lost and Katatonia are easily the winners in this category. A real shame and it isn't even that they are gone bad - just absolutely unremarkable.
Meshuggah are excellent up to and including Obzen but after that have good songs, no good albums.
Enslaved, was just listening to BTL again yesterday after it was mentioned again in the other thread. An absolutely immaculate album, in the middle of a run of savage releases. Then around/after Ruun it all sort of lost its vigour. The proggier albums are good and I put them on here and there but the interest barely lasts a few days.
How did I not think of Enslaved as well tbf. It absolutely ends at Ruun.
Nothing at all after that
Quote from: The Great Cull on August 19, 2025, 05:15:20 PMAnd to save Burggermeister the bother of typing it, it's bands like Voivod and Sepultura that constantly evolved, not giving a fuck about others that keeps some level of interest these days.
Yeah, spent too much money on shit music over the years, hoping
this would be the one where they step out of the rut. I got tired of every album being called a return to form. Eventually the penny dropped. Sometimes there's just no way back once you go shit.
It's easier to list the bands who remained interesting and worthy of effort: Sepultura and Voivod for sure, Living Colour are always worth hearing and I'll always make time for Cynic. Anything with Chris Poland, count me in and I'm there if/when Atheist or Watchtower release something. Anthrax remain interesting to me, even now, though I find the Joey Era II more comfortable background listening than anything relevatory. Killing Joke were amazing to the end, despite being late to that train, picking up every album has been a joy over the last 10 years.
I still love the old stuff from other bands but, generally, 1993 seems to be the cutoff year for 80's bands. If they were going to go shit, they did it by 1993 and everything after is a waste of listening time. There's no redemption from the Sneap sound either. Some bands saved their reputation by splitting up. Kudos to them.
I will always check anything Metallica put out, just because their fall from grace has been the greatest and most fascinating. To go from being that good to being so utterly, hopelessly shit, even on stage, will never stop fascinating me.
Metallica
Megadeath
Slayer
Opeth
Rotting Christ
Katatonia
Paradise Lost
Carcass
And the flipside of a band like Voivod constantly evolving is that sometimes they lose me and other times they're amazing. I'd take that experience with a band that can surprise you rather than one that is rock solid in their ability to disappoint and paint by numbers.
Iron Maiden, loved Dance of Death and ploughed on with them despite never really thinking much of anything after, and just completely lost hope at Book of Souls
All the usual 80s thrash suspects, Overkill, Testament, Destruction, Sodom, Exodus...are churning out decent enough stuff but nothing you really need to hear more than once, Death Angel I'd say are the only exception for keeping the quality up
And practically everything Max Cavalera has been involved with since 1996 has been mostly shit despite me constantly hoping for a return to form. Dark Ages is probably the only good album, makes it fairly obvious who the talent was in the classic Seps lineup
Phew how many 'classic' bands at all still release worthwhile stuff, never mind great? Not a metal example but Bowie managed it with Blackstar, but that seems the exception. I guess Testament still release some decent stuff here and there?
Ya nearly every band really after a time. I do find it enjoyable when bands can still put a good album out after so long. Say a Deftones or Converge. I wonder what keeps their creative juices flowing.
Mastodon
Baroness
Queens Of The Stone Age
Torche
Clutch
Pallbearer
King Grizzard & The Lizard Wizard (much like Fuzz - it's too much work to keep up with)
Causa Sui are another one "Euporie Tide" is a masterpiece which blew me away and I was really looking for to the next one,"Return To Sky", but after that I didn't really even look to see if they had another record coming out.
The latest one is Elder - whose I fucking love but I realised a few weeks ago, after reading a 10-year retrospective about their seminal album "Lore", that "Reflections In A Floating World" is the last album that I was actively interested in hearing and eager for. Worse still - I have bought/pre-ordered a few Elder records after "Reflections..." and never listened to them.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on August 20, 2025, 01:32:25 PMThe latest one is Elder - whose I fucking love but I realised a few weeks ago, after reading a 10-year retrospective about their seminal album "Lore", that "Reflections In A Floating World" is the last album that I was actively interested in hearing and eager for. Worse still - I have bought/pre-ordered a few Elder records after "Reflections..." and never listened to them.
Same here. From "Lore" back is almost immaculate, "Reflections..." is great and still gets a go regularly, but everything else is a very weak reiteration of the same idea as that for me. Some good songs and passages but nothing worth returning to.
QuotePhew how many 'classic' bands at all still release worthwhile stuff, never mind great
Immolation whilst not matching their classic material put out really strong records
Gorguts
Judas Priest pulled a classic out of the bag in recent times
Quote from: Mooncat on August 19, 2025, 09:55:22 PMPhew how many 'classic' bands at all still release worthwhile stuff, never mind great? Not a metal example but Bowie managed it with Blackstar, but that seems the exception. I guess Testament still release some decent stuff here and there?
Saxon's later stuff deserves a mention. Its tricky one for bands - criticised for cashing in on constant greatest hits touring or putting out new material - which, lets face it can be pretty average. Classic 80s metal bands aren't going to deviate too far at this stage of the game. I still buy new material from Maiden, Helloween, Saxon, Priest (and KK's Priest), Primal Fear, Scorps etc. Can be hit and miss for sure. Saying that, cds are a lot cheaper now than the 80s so perhaps not the same investment. Wish something could be done to lower vinyl prices though
Quote from: Carnage on August 19, 2025, 12:49:38 PMOverkill are still putting out decent albums IMO.
Napalm Death - Smear Campaign was fantastic, probably my favourite by them but they fell sharply off the cliff after that. Haven't bothered with the last couple, have no inclination to at this stage. And from the live footage I've seen, Barney's voice is completely gone.
Apex Predator and Throes of Joy are two of their best, real returns to form.
Most of the bands mentioned are on the go 35 years or more.Your never going to stick with a band for more than 4/5 albums most of the time.
Katatonia and Vader would be two bands I adored from the 90s into the early 2000s, but tuned out after that.
A pile of bands on the go years for me now, are more about catching them live playing anniversary of early albums etc.Ive very little interest in most bands 12th album tbh.
How many of the bands mentioned already managed to deliver again as the pendulum came back up.
Few and far between id say.
Life Of Agony is another one to add to the list. Loved them up to, and including, Broken Valley. Absolutely nothing worth a fuck after that.
Quote from: Circlepit on August 20, 2025, 06:41:37 PMHow many of the bands mentioned already managed to deliver again as the pendulum came back up.
Few and far between id say.
I find myself drifting in and out of Enslaved albums, they still release good albums and keep my interest.
The last one not so great but Utgard was a good album.
For me Sodom are one of those bands. Bang out albums but none will capture the early power.
Having said that they still have it in them to surprise me with some brilliant songs.
I actually can't think of many bands in the (admittedly mostly "Extreme")metal sphere I need more than maybe 2 albums by. 4 max. Voivod are the obvious exception.
A band like Incantation or Unleashed for example- cracker debut and decent 2nd in both cases, still putting out passable records but I've no great urge to hear them as they captured their basic essence perfectly in the space of 2 albums.
Maiden after No Prayer for the Dying.
I've zero patience for Harris and his endless repetition.
NIN after The Fragile.
Yeah surprised to see Dance of Death mentioned as a last good record. It's a comically bad album, the title track sounds like a twee Irish Jig. Horrendous muck altogether.
Fucking YES to the Irish jig!!! I thought it was a Spinal Tap-esque parody first time I heard it. But nope, it's the title track of their new album and all the boys are creaming themselves over it.
I've a few Rage albums I like and will stick on every now and then, but looking them up on Metal Archives they've 28 studio albums, no one needs that many
Quote from: Trev on August 21, 2025, 12:10:11 PMI've a few Rage albums I like and will stick on every now and then, but looking them up on Metal Archives they've 28 studio albums, no one needs that many
I do.
And the new one's out next month. :D
Melvins. Will still go see them live any chance I get (they were great the other night), but the records since the Big Business era, which is almost 20 years ago now, have been hugely uninteresting bar a song or two here and there.
Likewise QOTSA
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 22, 2025, 11:17:01 AMMelvins. Will still go see them live any chance I get (they were great the other night), but the records since the Big Business era, which is almost 20 years ago now, have been hugely uninteresting bar a song or two here and there.
I am sort of the same on this and I love them including and up the "The Bride Screamed Murder". Anything after gets a spin but not returned to. Would have been in Dublin the other night only it was a fuckin Monday...
I forgot to mention Judas Priest as well, I'm not quite at the cant be arsed anymore stage yet, but I am in denial. I own all their albums, pre and post Painkiller but I never listen to anything after Painkiller anymore, actually I've never listened to Nostradamus and I own a deluxe version of it.
I still give Jugulator spins after making a version with stupid intros cut out of it but, yeah, everything after isn't worth a fuck. The praise Firepower gets is baffling to me.
I came across the Talking Loud podcast recently and listened to the Max Norman episode yesterday, very entertaining. He discusses the Megadeth years in it and, inspired by this, I decided to give Youthanasia another go today, not for the first time. It's where I hopped off the Megadeth train in the first place.
Yeah, it's still fucking terrible. It's gas to think the lads who brought the world Rust In Peace could serve up such limp fare just a few years later. I made it as far as the first few lines of A Tout Le Monde and just had to switch it off. If the first few songs are so empty, the rest surely won't be any better. Still haven't been able to make it all the way through. I'm cleaning my ears out with RIP now, may I never make the same mistake again. Imagine the esteem these bands would be held in if they had the good sense to quit when they were good 😂
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 22, 2025, 02:06:16 PMI still give Jugulator spins after making a version with stupid intros cut out of it but, yeah, everything after isn't worth a fuck. The praise Firepower gets is baffling to me.
The last 3 Priest albums are like AI albums as far as I'm concerned...1 spin, nothing memorable move on
I quite like Youthanasia. It was after this album I lost interest in Megadeth. I 'd still go to one of the farewell dates even though Megadeth are one of the most boring bands I have seen live.
Youthanasia is Megadeth's finest hour along with the debut - it's Mustaine's dark masterpiece. Certainly better than the wildly overrated Rust In Peace.
It's interesting about Priest. I like them because up until KK left they were always evolving in some way. That's why the Owens years were so good - even if the studio work wasn't always as consistent as previous eras you still have songs like Cathedral Spires which is easily in their top 3 IMO, and it could be very well argued that the band's live peak was about this time, they had such a brutal sound and sounded reinvigorated and mean. The main problem with Priest now isn't so much the albums but that without KK and Tipton onstage it's pretty much Halford solo.
I might nominate Electric Wizard for this one - the classic era up to and including Let Us Prey is essential and the first few albums after that were good too, but they've seemed to become rather stale and redoing the same groove since.
Reverend Bizarre on the other hand knew exactly when to call it quits on a high with their legacy intact.
There are lots of bands though who maybe aren't at their peak in terms of recorded output anymore but can still deliver live.
'Firepower' was good, didn't hear the other Judas Priest albums after that so can't comment. The last Saxon album wasn't bad either.
Dunno, think this thread is a little light on Black metal albums that are not up to par either. Plenty of those albums I could randomly crap on too. Ulver: themes from William Blake, yawn .
Maybe a comment for the 'controversial opinions thread, but the first Deicide crushes any 'evil' black metal album that came after , with dudes in makeup in a forest at night taking selfies.
That's one of my things with black metal, I can't take those panda make-up wearing fellas seriously at all.
They don't look evil or whatever, but they do look like a shower of complete gomies.
A Tout Le Monde has to be skipped or laughed off. It's better than, say, Captive Honour though, it just doesn't have the good sense to be buried deep into the end of the tracklisting but instead farts its long stinky camembert fart just as things are getting going.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 25, 2025, 01:09:26 AMA Tout Le Monde has to be skipped or laughed off. It's better than, say, Captive Honour though, it just doesn't have the good sense to be buried deep into the end of the tracklisting but instead farts its long stinky camembert fart just as things are getting going.
I like it, they went in a commercial direction then which was fashionable at the time. I would be happy if they didn't play it live and stuck to the classic fast stuff
I haven't read it but my friend was saying that Friedman talks about that in his bio, IE that going in a commercial direction was a very deliberate choice. Might have even been imposed on them by the label.
Maiden - Lost interest after dance of death
Opeth - Lost interest after Blackwater Park
Cannibal Corpse - Lost interest after Kill
Nile - up as far as Those whom the Gods detest
Behemoth - went to shite after Evangelion
There's loads more I could list
Quote from: Mooncat on August 25, 2025, 05:26:52 PMI haven't read it but my friend was saying that Friedman talks about that in his bio, IE that going in a commercial direction was a very deliberate choice. Might have even been imposed on them by the label.
Ellefson talked about it very recently in an interview, it was 100% contrived and deliberate. Nothing to do with management or label.
Mustaine himself was already 100% upfront about it in the Behind the Music documentary.
Quote from: General Lee on August 25, 2025, 05:35:28 PMMaiden - Lost interest after dance of death
Opeth - Lost interest after Blackwater Park
Cannibal Corpse - Lost interest after Kill
Nile - up as far as Those whom the Gods detest
Behemoth - went to shite after Evangelion
There's loads more I could list
I am kinda the same with Behemoth, although I enjoyed albums after that. Haven't bothered with the last two albums
Deicide, I more or less clocked out after Stench Of Redemption. Still a band I have to see live though
I thought the change in sound was done to try and please Friedman. I recall Mustaine saying back then that Marty was getting tired of metal and was more interested in pop music.
The bit in Behind the Music I had in mind is about when Mustaine invited Bud Prager in to manage, and also ultimately co-write half the songs on Cryptic Writings and Risk (following the failure of which he was fired):
https://youtu.be/R3l4kZk2GXc?si=rE8YjzukYI0lZu3X&t=3873
In the liner notes to Cryptic Writings, Mustaine wrote:
QuoteI figured maybe [Prager] could help me get that intangible number one record I wanted so badly.
So, yeah, other things might have played in, but I don't think Mustaine would have hired Foreigner's ex-manager to please Friedman or anyone else, bar his own urge to be bigger than Metallica.
The commercial ambitions only became a Marty thing when they failed! Everyone knows Dave only experienced failure when he let others help with the decisions!
Pretty sure it says in the liner notes for the Countdown reissue that after the Black Album came out he became obsessed with getting a number 1 record, it came close at number 2...beaten by Achey Breaky Heart :laugh: :abbath: .
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 26, 2025, 06:17:56 PMThe bit in Behind the Music I had in mind is about when Mustaine invited Bud Prager in to manage, and also ultimately co-write half the songs on Cryptic Writings and Risk (following the failure of which he was fired):
https://youtu.be/R3l4kZk2GXc?si=rE8YjzukYI0lZu3X&t=3873
In the liner notes to Cryptic Writings, Mustaine wrote:
QuoteI figured maybe [Prager] could help me get that intangible number one record I wanted so badly.
So, yeah, other things might have played in, but I don't think Mustaine would have hired Foreigner's ex-manager to please Friedman or anyone else, bar his own urge to be bigger than Metallica.
Yeah that makes sense. He was using Marty as the scapegoat to pursue his own personal ambitions.