Bands that are hated or devisive and the reasoning?
Let's get the ball rolling,
Bush
They seem to be generally despised despite being huge in the mid 90s, I always found them harmless and with some good tunes but because they deemed to be Nirvana lite elements of the press hated them, that's my take on it anyway. Plus the UK press hate bands that break the US first and skip the UK?
Ah they deserved it. Weak as piss and the definition of coat tailers. Gavin clearly from a well to do background and yeah it's not very grunge is it. Might find them fun if there was a bit of self awareness but there wasn't and the tunes weren't that great. I also read a live review where he stormed off stage cos a t shirt was thrown up and grazed him.
Finally I spoke to the singer from Cyclefly after a a headline gig in Dublin- they just did some shows with Bush - I asked him about them and he described Rosdale as a "fanny". This is the guy from Cyclefly .
Interesting view, keep em coming!! :abbath:
Ghost are hated purely on the basis that they became big, if they stayed at the popularity of say, a Sumerlands or Uncle Acid type band, they'd be kvlt heroes.
For all the 'not metal' arguments, I'd also make a bold claim that they're arguably the only mainstream heavy metal band since pre-Black Album to get big without incorporating some form of alternative, grunge, hardcore or nu-metal element.
As a general rule I hate bands that wear masks, what's the fucking point?
Quote from: ldj on February 02, 2025, 03:26:06 PMGhost are hated purely on the basis that they became big
Don't be getting carried away making things black and white :laugh: Plenty of folk don't like Ghost simply because they make a fairly particular type of poppy goth-rock that was never going to appeal to all metal heads, even if they had stayed at the same underground level of popularity as Sumerlands (a band so good, incidentally, I would definitely still be into them if they became huge).
I'm talking about the general vitriol rather than people just not liking them, other bands around the time doing similar shtick's got/get nowhere near as much hate. But, I suppose when yer man's playing arenas he probably doesn't give a shite either way.
Ya, I get you. Still not sure, feels to me that a lot of the Ghost hatred was more about Ghost fans not "paying their dues" to the bands Ghost were emulating. A bit like a lot of The Darkness fans previously, or what I imagine it must be like to talk to a Greta van Fleet fan who's telling you they don't really like Led Zeppelin :laugh:
Quote from: The Heretic on February 02, 2025, 02:53:06 PMBands that are hated or devisive and the reasoning?
Let's get the ball rolling,
Bush
They seem to be generally despised despite being huge in the mid 90s, I always found them harmless and with some good tunes but because they deemed to be Nirvana lite elements of the press hated them, that's my take on it anyway. Plus the UK press hate bands that break the US first and skip the UK?
I think a lot of it has to do with them being completely fake in an era that championed authenticity. Cobain sang about rage and pain because he really felt that way. Bush did it because they figured that was what was popular.
Nickleback were always quite the punching bag but I'm not sure why?
I've only ever heard whatever songs were on the radio at the time about 20 years ago and I wouldn't describe them as awful, yet it seems like it's cool to hate them. I don't know anything about them, is yer man a twat or something?
Quote from: The Heretic on February 02, 2025, 02:53:06 PMBands that are hated or devisive and the reasoning?
Let's get the ball rolling,
Bush
They seem to be generally despised despite being huge in the mid 90s, I always found them harmless and with some good tunes but because they deemed to be Nirvana lite elements of the press hated them, that's my take on it anyway. Plus the UK press hate bands that break the US first and skip the UK?
The UK press hated Rossdale as he was a star fucker(literally according to Pete Burns) hanger on in the 80s on the blag into industry parties, so when he suddenly became Mr Alt Rock in the states it was quite the surprise.
Think all the Kerrang journos liked the rest of the band, but Gavin was always a posh cunt, but when Universal are buying ads they had to genuflect.
Always hated them myself, generic as fuck.
Quote from: Giggles on February 02, 2025, 06:36:18 PMNickleback were always quite the punching bag but I'm not sure why?
I've only ever heard whatever songs were on the radio at the time about 20 years ago and I wouldn't describe them as awful, yet it seems like it's cool to hate them. I don't know anything about them, is yer man a twat or something?
They're legit awful music wise but they do come across as sound Canadian lads to be fair. The doc on Netflix was pretty good.
I always put a lot of this seemingly random vitriol towards bands down to the masses who don't have discerning taste in music in any way trying to show that they can sniff out shit bands but basically just mindlessly following the same herd mentality that they always do. They probably even have an opinion (that someone else gave them) about Blur vs Oasis as though it is of some importance. I just take out my axe ov elitism, turn up Razorblade Suitcase on my boombox and get a'head choppin!
Ghost have been polarizing since their inception. People who bought the Elizabeth 7" setting fire to it when the album came out, for God knows what reason.
Quote from: Squigs on February 02, 2025, 09:09:43 PMGhost have been polarizing since their inception. People who bought the Elizabeth 7" setting fire to it when the album came out, for God knows what reason.
Especially when the ones they had at Roadburn go for daft money.
Lee Dorian was a smart lad getting in on the ground floor there. And the first album is fucking savage.
Can totally see why some folks hate them but they're not a metal band and never feckin were.
Yup. Good catchy pop rock with a, perhaps atria stage spurring
superficial, dark metal influence.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 02, 2025, 02:53:06 PMBands that are hated or devisive and the reasoning?
Let's get the ball rolling,
Bush
They seem to be generally despised despite being huge in the mid 90s, I always found them harmless and with some good tunes but because they deemed to be Nirvana lite elements of the press hated them, that's my take on it anyway. Plus the UK press hate bands that break the US first and skip the UK?
I think they were held in low regard because they were and are dog shit.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 03, 2025, 01:10:51 PMQuote from: The Heretic on February 02, 2025, 02:53:06 PMBands that are hated or devisive and the reasoning?
Let's get the ball rolling,
Bush
They seem to be generally despised despite being huge in the mid 90s, I always found them harmless and with some good tunes but because they deemed to be Nirvana lite elements of the press hated them, that's my take on it anyway. Plus the UK press hate bands that break the US first and skip the UK?
I think they were held in low regard because they were and are dog shit.
but..
To date, Bush has sold nearly 25 million albums worldwide as one of the best selling rock acts of the 1990s, with Sixteen Stone reaching an astounding seven times platinum status in America alone. The album spawned a whopping five singles, no easy feat for a band making its recorded debut.
Please tell me you're not equating sales with quality of output?
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 03, 2025, 03:45:06 PMPlease tell me you're not equating sales with quality of output?
I'm not equating anything really, well kinda-ish, I'm just giving stats for a band that have album sales that many can only dream of, are they more hated than liked? Who knows?
Bush are a strange one in that they were a British band that were huge in America but I think barely made a ripple on this side of the Atlantic. Which makes their appeal harder for us to understand.
Quote from: jpm4 on February 03, 2025, 05:32:25 PMBush are a strange one in that they were a British band that were huge in America but I think barely made a ripple on this side of the Atlantic. Which makes their appeal harder for us to understand.
I honestly have never heard of them but we all know Americans aren't renown for their taste in anything.
Quote from: jpm4 on February 03, 2025, 05:32:25 PMBush are a strange one in that they were a British band that were huge in America but I think barely made a ripple on this side of the Atlantic. Which makes their appeal harder for us to understand.
Right place right time. Having Jimmy Iovine at Interscope definitely helped the push in the states as he was quite the bulldog for his acts when they started to draw money.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 03, 2025, 03:41:03 PMQuote from: Circlepit on February 03, 2025, 01:10:51 PMQuote from: The Heretic on February 02, 2025, 02:53:06 PMBands that are hated or devisive and the reasoning?
Let's get the ball rolling,
Bush
They seem to be generally despised despite being huge in the mid 90s, I always found them harmless and with some good tunes but because they deemed to be Nirvana lite elements of the press hated them, that's my take on it anyway. Plus the UK press hate bands that break the US first and skip the UK?
I think they were held in low regard because they were and are dog shit.
but..
To date, Bush has sold nearly 25 million albums worldwide as one of the best selling rock acts of the 1990s, with Sixteen Stone reaching an astounding seven times platinum status in America alone. The album spawned a whopping five singles, no easy feat for a band making its recorded debut.
What is the point of this?
Selling bucket loads is delightful but it doesn't mean anything when it comes to quality.
Bush were one of those built for alt radio type things with what was deemed to be a handsome frontman.
The rest of the band could run into my house singing their songs and after the initial WTF I'd have to ask who they are and what are the singing.
It's not a case of universal hatred at all for me, it's more a case of I couldn't give a flying fuck.
I don't even know why I'm taking part in this discussion!
Quote from: Squigs on February 02, 2025, 09:09:43 PMGhost have been polarizing since their inception. People who bought the Elizabeth 7" setting fire to it when the album came out, for God knows what reason.
I still laugh thinking about the fella that put the video of him pissing on that 7" on YouTube :laugh:
Crazy to think they played Hell's Pleasure considering where they are now.
That HP gig was deadly.
Headlined the Sunday of the first Live Evil in 2010 too. Angel Witch headlined the other night, for context.
U2 are another one that get shat on quite a bit, not sure is it musical or for their politics or both?
Their music has been a form of particularly dull elevator music for thirty years. Might be that?
Bono is one of the biggest twonks to ever draw breath. Their music is aural milquetoast.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 04, 2025, 09:05:13 AMU2 are another one that get shat on quite a bit, not sure is it musical or for their politics or both?
Their entire existence. And g'way with the early post punk excuses too! Shower of gobshites.
Pity the lads in Ballina didn't batter them enough when they played there in the early days!
Pre-signing, U2 played in Salthill in Galway (Seapoint, possibly?). Bongo was already throwing the rockstar shapes, white cowboy boots and all. Had his foot on a monitor, which didn't go down well with the punks at the front, so they pulled his boot off -it was never seeen again. He left the stage in tears when they wouldn't give it back.
Bush and U2. What a cunt of a thread!?!
Was it Grohl who wore a "Bu$h" t-shirt. Fairly apt. Rosedale did an album with Page Hamilton a while back, Institute. Rosedale is a gowl but he's not a bad singer and that album was decent. Certainly better than Bush.
Quote from: Carnage on February 04, 2025, 12:23:02 PMPre-signing, U2 played in Salthill in Galway (Seapoint, possibly?). Bongo was already throwing the rockstar shapes, white cowboy boots and all. Had his foot on a monitor, which didn't go down well with the punks at the front, so they pulled his boot off -it was never seeen again. He left the stage in tears when they wouldn't give it back.
Is the foot on the monitor a big no no?
I thought it was done as it's probably comfortable every now and then if you are standing for a while.
There are a lot of kvlt types who think Pantera, Cannibal Corpse, and Cradle of Filth got popular by playing dumbed down versions of thrash, death, and black metal.
Bloodthirst and Dusk and Her Embrace are two of my favourite albums, but I can kind of understand why CC and COF are perceived as lowest common denominator death and black metal.
Any Pantera fans agree that Phil's hardcore posturing and the groove aspects of Pantera's music helped foster in an era of dumbass nu-metal and bands like Hatebreed? ;)
Quote from: Maggot Colony on February 04, 2025, 03:06:09 PMThere are a lot of kvlt types who think Pantera, Cannibal Corpse, and Cradle of Filth got popular by playing dumbed down versions of thrash, death, and black metal.
Bloodthirst and Dusk and Her Embrace are two of my favourite albums, but I can kind of understand why CC and COF are perceived as lowest common denominator death and black metal.
Any Pantera fans agree that Phil's hardcore posturing and the groove aspects of Pantera's music helped foster in an era of dumbass nu-metal and bands like Hatebreed? ;)
No.
Quote from: Maggot Colony on February 04, 2025, 03:06:09 PMThere are a lot of kvlt types who think Pantera, Cannibal Corpse, and Cradle of Filth got popular by playing dumbed down versions of thrash, death, and black metal.
Bloodthirst and Dusk and Her Embrace are two of my favourite albums, but I can kind of understand why CC and COF are perceived as lowest common denominator death and black metal.
Any Pantera fans agree that Phil's hardcore posturing and the groove aspects of Pantera's music helped foster in an era of dumbass nu-metal and bands like Hatebreed? ;)
Hatebreed stole way more musically from Entombed (mostly riffs)than Pantera. But the gobshite fan base would definitely crossover 😂
(I do enjoy both bands. Not a gobshite though 😂).
Nu Metal does get a lot of flack when it's harmless enough and a gateway for young wans to get into metal. There's plenty of lads on the board who were scatting along with Johnathan Davis before hearing Blood,Fire Death.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 04, 2025, 01:07:32 PMIs the foot on the monitor a big no no?
I thought it was done as it's probably comfortable every now and then if you are standing for a while.
I think it was more the posturing, preening and affectation that came with it. The foot's proximity offered an opportunity.
Hatebreed - Satisfaction Is The Death of Desire achieves more in less than a half hour than what many bands do in a career. It is what it is and it might not be for you, but its nailed on, zero fat.
Quote from: Squigs on February 04, 2025, 04:26:53 PMHatebreed - Satisfaction Is The Death of Desire achieves more in less than a half hour than what many bands do in a career. It is what it is and it might not be for you, but its nailed on, zero fat.
Yes, all day. Perseverance, Rise Of Brutality and Supremacy are all brilliant.
Once Jamie Jasta decided that some melodic singing would be a good idea things went sideways.
Also Sean Martin had a massive presence love, the other fella doesn't have that punch.
Quote from: Maggot Colony on February 04, 2025, 03:06:09 PMThere are a lot of kvlt types who think Pantera, Cannibal Corpse, and Cradle of Filth got popular by playing dumbed down versions of thrash, death, and black metal.
Bloodthirst and Dusk and Her Embrace are two of my favourite albums, but I can kind of understand why CC and COF are perceived as lowest common denominator death and black metal.
Any Pantera fans agree that Phil's hardcore posturing and the groove aspects of Pantera's music helped foster in an era of dumbass nu-metal and bands like Hatebreed? ;)
I'd say you haven't went far enough. The posturing and grooves helped usher in an era of bands so shit and embarrassing that it reflected back on Pantera so badly that people hate them somewhat unfairly now too because of it.
Every time I hear Bono being interviewed I'm torn between how he often speaks intelligently, but is so unbelievably pretentious he's hard to listen to. He called his daughter Memphis Eve. A pretentious name from a pretentious person. She sensibly goes by Eve now.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 04, 2025, 04:42:43 PMQuote from: Squigs on February 04, 2025, 04:26:53 PMHatebreed - Satisfaction Is The Death of Desire achieves more in less than a half hour than what many bands do in a career. It is what it is and it might not be for you, but its nailed on, zero fat.
Yes, all day. Perseverance, Rise Of Brutality and Supremacy are all brilliant.
Once Jamie Jasta decided that some melodic singing would be a good idea things went sideways.
Also Sean Martin had a massive presence love, the other fella doesn't have that punch.
Yer man doesn't have a feckin chin😂
Frank is decent though, plus he was in Integrity for bonus points.
Slipknot. I've never cared at all for their music, but as a commercial band and a gateway to heavier sounds, they're perfect.
Quote from: Ducky on February 04, 2025, 10:24:15 PMSlipknot. I've never cared at all for their music, but as a commercial band and a gateway to heavier sounds, they're perfect.
True. First two albums are still good fun and Jordison was an excellent drummer.
My eldest seems to have discovered them, Korn and Deftones recently so hopefully he'll use them as a stepping stone.
Quote from: Maggot Colony on February 04, 2025, 03:06:09 PMAny Pantera fans agree that Phil's hardcore posturing and the groove aspects of Pantera's music helped foster in an era of dumbass nu-metal and bands like Hatebreed? ;)
Hatebreed aren't nu metal. While they haven't released anything good in 20 years the first 3 albums are classics.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 04, 2025, 04:42:43 PMYes, all day. Perseverance, Rise Of Brutality and Supremacy are all brilliant.
I got Supremacy when it was released and remember being disappointed by it as it was a lot different to the first 3. I saw them doing Perseverance in full on the 15th anniversary tour with Terror supporting which was great.
Hatebreed is another band that I don't think has played here in a very long time. Last time I saw them in Ireland was in Whelans which was maybe 2010 or 2011 have they been back since?
As for Pantera it mostly seems to be the majority retarded fanbase that gives them the bad name. Similar to a rap duo whom I won't name that have a few very good albums but their legions of retarded reject fans which the group encourages turns so many people away from them.
Hatebreed are a hardcore band and ICP fans are far more entertaining than Pantera fans.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 05, 2025, 11:47:24 AMQuote from: Maggot Colony on February 04, 2025, 03:06:09 PMAny Pantera fans agree that Phil's hardcore posturing and the groove aspects of Pantera's music helped foster in an era of dumbass nu-metal and bands like Hatebreed? ;)
Hatebreed aren't nu metal. While they haven't released anything good in 20 years the first 3 albums are classics.
I know they aren't nu metal, although some of their songs aren't far off that genre. I was lumping them in with the jock metal that became popular in Pantera's wake.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 05, 2025, 12:04:09 PMHatebreed are a hardcore band and ICP fans are far more entertaining than Pantera fans.
Juggalos are family yo!😂
Would Satyricon be a band that get a fair bit of hate due to some of the later albums and Satyr being a millionaire off the wine company nowadays?
Quote from: Sworntothecans on February 05, 2025, 05:51:32 PMQuote from: open face surgery on February 05, 2025, 12:04:09 PMHatebreed are a hardcore band and ICP fans are far more entertaining than Pantera fans.
Juggalos are family yo!😂
Would Satyricon be a band that get a fair bit of hate due to some of the later albums and Satyr being a millionaire off the wine company nowadays?
They get hate for being the text book definition of sell-outs. Changing style to sell more records and Satyr shitting all over the genre that made him.
Quote from: Giggles on February 02, 2025, 06:36:18 PMNickleback were always quite the punching bag but I'm not sure why?
I've only ever heard whatever songs were on the radio at the time about 20 years ago and I wouldn't describe them as awful, yet it seems like it's cool to hate them. I don't know anything about them, is yer man a twat or something?
Perhaps controversial, but I've never understood people who love Nirvana and hate Nickelback.
If you love a band whose name starts with a certain letter, it doesn't me you can't hate a totally different band whose name happens to begin with the same letter. Hopefully moving forward that'll help you understand :D
I think Satyr gets a pass for crimes against black metal on the back of the first few Satyricon albums.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 04, 2025, 09:08:29 AMTheir music has been a form of particularly dull elevator music for thirty years. Might be that?
Granted their recent output has been bland, but there's no denying the brilliance of the Joshua Tree and their transition from Rattle and Hum to Achtung Baby and how zootv reinvented the live concert experience, and still the hate, also I'm no fanboy for U2 btw, the above are just facts.
Judas Priest also get shat on quite a bit, even though they are the epitome of metal and held in high regard as influences by metallica, megadeth, slayer etc etc
Quote from: The Heretic on February 06, 2025, 12:15:10 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 04, 2025, 09:08:29 AMTheir music has been a form of particularly dull elevator music for thirty years. Might be that?
Granted their recent output has been bland, but there's no denying the brilliance of the Joshua Tree and their transition from Rattle and Hum to Achtung Baby and how zootv reinvented the live concert experience, and still the hate, also I'm no fanboy for U2 btw, the above are just facts.
I hate the 90s era. Hated it then and hate it now, but I get your point about the life show which became elaborate. The 80s stuff is very good, though.
Pop is my favourite U2 album, closely followed by The Unforgettable Fire and Zooropa. They were great in the '90s, regardless of the backlash. I'm talking about the music of course, Bongo and their image in general is atrocious but when they were good, they were fucing great.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 06, 2025, 12:27:19 AMJudas Priest also get shat on quite a bit, even though they are the epitome of metal and held in high regard as influences by metallica, megadeth, slayer etc etc
I can understand people not liking Turbo and Ram it Down or the Ripoff Blowens albums, or that Loch Ness song... but do they really get shit on for anything else from a music perspective?
Quote from: Anvil on February 06, 2025, 09:18:31 AMQuote from: The Heretic on February 06, 2025, 12:27:19 AMJudas Priest also get shat on quite a bit, even though they are the epitome of metal and held in high regard as influences by metallica, megadeth, slayer etc etc
I can understand people not liking Turbo and Ram it Down or the Ripoff Blowens albums, or that Loch Ness song... but do they really get shit on for anything else from a music perspective?
I think they do, most don't get past living after midnight or breaking the law, which I'm not a huge fan of myself either, funny enough I like Turbo myself, yep how to explain that!
I'll just shoot several fish in the barrel all at once to get it over with ->
Five Finger Death Punch (maybe this will spur on LeatherMike to register :laugh: )
Dave Matthews Band
Imagine Dragons
One Minute Silence
Yoko Ono
And we all know why.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 06, 2025, 12:27:19 AMJudas Priest also get shat on quite a bit, even though they are the epitome of metal and held in high regard as influences by metallica, megadeth, slayer etc etc
do they get shat on? Priest are great and are generally fairly consistent. As you said the epitome of metal
Quote from: Necro Red on February 06, 2025, 11:14:23 AMQuote from: The Heretic on February 06, 2025, 12:27:19 AMJudas Priest also get shat on quite a bit, even though they are the epitome of metal and held in high regard as influences by metallica, megadeth, slayer etc etc
do they get shat on? Priest are great and are generally fairly consistent. As you said the epitome of metal
I seem to meet more people that don't like them than do, or don't realise how important they were in the whole scheme of things, like I said all they seem to know is "living after midnight" and not much else.
Quote from: The Butcher on February 06, 2025, 10:17:51 AMFive Finger Death Punch (maybe this will spur on LeatherMike to register :laugh: )
Leather Mike registered on here a few years ago! I can't remember his username but I think it's all numbers. I think he was promoting some guitars he modded over lockdown, if I'm remembering correctly.
Here's one that gets a lot of hate: Polyphia.
Personally, I don't mind them, I appreciate the uniqueness of their sound. I'd throw on a song every couple of months or so. I play guitar and I like their technicality, although it's not something I'd be interested in trying to emulate. I'd see them live if they played here.
I'd say most of the hate stems from Tim Henson's fashion sense, and the fact that he looks like a girly boy.
Who was the fella that Leather Mike was banging heads with all the time, some special needs fella who played drums?
Desertfather?
Great list but don't think leather Mike will be logging on unless they've suddenly gotten email privileges in prison.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 06, 2025, 05:33:01 PMGreat list but don't think leather Mike will be logging on unless they've suddenly gotten email privileges in prison.
eh?
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 06, 2025, 05:33:01 PMGreat list but don't think leather Mike will be logging on unless they've suddenly gotten email privileges in prison.
Spill!
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 06, 2025, 05:33:01 PMGreat list but don't think leather Mike will be logging on unless they've suddenly gotten email privileges in prison.
🍿🍿🍿
Tell us immediately :abbath:
Altus are playing a gig in the round in The Joy, that's all.
Unacceptable, more info needed.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 06, 2025, 05:33:01 PMGreat list but don't think leather Mike will be logging on unless they've suddenly gotten email privileges in prison.
Thread paused. Spill the feckin tea!
Jesus there were some characters and chancers populating MI in its heyday. You'd forget the majority of the shenanigans that went on. I think I was called Bottle of Tonic on it, not sure, was mainly a lurker like on here. Weird how everyone disappeared to FB etc. Social media never touched the greatness of MI at its height .
Quote from: Grim Reality on February 07, 2025, 01:58:23 PMJesus there were some characters and chancers populating MI in its heyday. You'd forget the majority of the shenanigans that went on. I think I was called Bottle of Tonic on it, not sure, was mainly a lurker like on here. Weird how everyone disappeared to FB etc. Social media never touched the greatness of MI at its height .
Don't derail the thread til we get the Leather Mike lowdown.
But "Desert father" :laugh:
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 06, 2025, 05:33:01 PMGreat list but don't think leather Mike will be logging on unless they've suddenly gotten email privileges in prison.
What's all this then?
Quote from: Grim Reality on February 07, 2025, 01:58:23 PMJesus there were some characters and chancers populating MI in its heyday. You'd forget the majority of the shenanigans that went on. I think I was called Bottle of Tonic on it, not sure, was mainly a lurker like on here. Weird how everyone disappeared to FB etc. Social media never touched the greatness of MI at its height .
Endless bizarro Nordy lads was some good internetting!
Michael Legge was convicted of sexually assaulting a child on multiple occasions in 2023. When he was supposed to appear in court, he went on the run. You may have seen his mates sharing the PSNI "concerned for the missing person" post with the mugshot photo on Facebook. He was located and prosecuted, he received a two year sentence and served half of it inside. He was released April 2024 and is currently living in a paedo hostel.
We heard from a mate who was watching the live video feed from the trial, what he done was vile, distressing and absolutely cruel.
It went completely unreported in the press, which is absolutely unheard of, as the local papers love to report on metalheads breaking the law. We assume it's because his father was high up in the Royal Blacks, some sort of masons thing.
Mike, we know you're reading this as we know you've been googling your name. Feel free to log in and comment.
Feck, not what I was expecting
I suppose puns are out of the question then?
:-\
Well that got dark. Fucking hell. 😬
Crikey, wish I hadn't pried now.
Well that's a reason and a half to get yourself and your band hated. What a disgusting cunt. The poor kid...
Scarlet for his bandmates too, probably lumped in with the Lost Prophets and the like now.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 07, 2025, 05:02:40 PMMike, we know you're reading this as we know you've been googling your name. Feel free to log in and comment.
Fuck that. Stay away from here, you horrible cunt.
Also, always thought he looked like a paedo :laugh:
Fucking hell. I feel less bad for continually taking the piss out of him and his shit band now. Scum.
Jesus fucking Christ above. A rusty knife in the gut would be too kind for him.
Well, I guess you can add Altus to the thread list so! Although I do recall them being particularly unpopular around MI in the first place...the gist of it being that they couldn't even come up with an original name given that Altus Astrum were local enough and preceded them...or something like that? Plus that Mike lad had fairly shit taste in metal.
Wasn't it progfather originally? Or am I thinking of two different posters?
The progfather had about 30 alter egos over time, as each one got banned for him behaving like a twat. Xanadu, Desertfather, EsotericEric are a few off the top of my head.
Ironic that he's the one that ended up never working in this town again...
(sorry, couldn't resist)
He was an incredibly annoying little shit weasel. My name on Irishrail was Mike Leather for ages after myself and Fart booking a train to somewhere locked one night. Mortified.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 07, 2025, 10:00:30 PMHe was an incredibly annoying little shit weasel. My name on Irishrail was Mike Leather for ages after myself and Fart booking a train to somewhere locked one night. Mortified.
Similarly, if you Google Michael Legge it brings up the name of an actor (also from Northern Ireland). Perhaps just as well for his sake there wasn't much press about it, imagine getting caught in that crossfire!
Yeah, he's a comedian from Belfast! That would have fairly fucked up his career just by association.
I might have to revisit Altus now that they have a new edge of darkness about them.
There was one or two articles about this at the time, but there's literally no trace of them if you search now.
We're never gonna get to the bottom of why Nickelback are hated now :'(
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 08, 2025, 07:24:10 AMThere was one or two articles about this at the time, but there's literally no trace of them if you search now.
Where was it reported? Scandalous that someone can contact the press and get articles like that taken down. It's literally in the public interest for child protection.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 05:38:50 AMI might have to revisit Altus now that they have a new edge of darkness about them.
Ffsakes :laugh: :abbath:
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 08, 2025, 07:29:26 AMWe're never gonna get to the bottom of why Nickelback are hated now :'(
We may have gained a better idea of why Black Label Society are hated though!
If you like BLS you are 78% more likely to be, or to become a paedo
:laugh:
QuoteWhere was it reported? Scandalous that someone can contact the press and get articles like that taken down. It's literally in the public interest for child protection.
Could've sworn it was the Telegraph and it had a pic too. But as I say no trace of it now. Somebody edited his profile page on Metallum too to say what he'd been arrested for but that's since been changed too.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 08, 2025, 02:56:30 PMIf you like BLS you are 78% more likely to be, or to become a paedo
Or French. A mate of mine was at he
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 08, 2025, 12:56:07 PMQuote from: Pagan Saviour on February 08, 2025, 07:24:10 AMThere was one or two articles about this at the time, but there's literally no trace of them if you search now.
Where was it reported? Scandalous that someone can contact the press and get articles like that taken down. It's literally in the public interest for child protection.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 08, 2025, 12:56:07 PMQuote from: Pagan Saviour on February 08, 2025, 07:24:10 AMThere was one or two articles about this at the time, but there's literally no trace of them if you search now.
Where was it reported? Scandalous that someone can contact the press and get articles like that taken down. It's literally in the public interest for child protection.
Ways and means of getting Google results taken down. Probably had to spend a fair bit to do it. Read an article a while back of various folks who're were done for fraud etc and managed to get themselves scrubbed.
Rather suprised it was done in a case like this.
Wonder if the comedian or their agent had something to do with the lack of google results, wouldn't help ticket sales if the first thing you find on a google search is an article about a child abuse conviction.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 07, 2025, 05:02:40 PMIt went completely unreported in the press, which is absolutely unheard of, as the local papers love to report on metalheads breaking the law. We assume it's because his father was high up in the Royal Blacks, some sort of masons thing.
The Royal Black is basically an extension of the Orange Order, so am surprised the more neutral or nationalist press didn't lead with "Orange Order Leader's son is a pedo" headline especially considering how many of them have been caught as pedos recently.
This is it. I didn't see any articles about him at all, but it's a plausible one about the comedian right enough. It's the exact type of story the papers would have been falling over to do articles about.
I see Sleeve was in Altus. He looks about seven and a half- has anyone checked up on him to make sure the leather lad didn't try any funny business?
Sleeve booted Mike out of his house for a variety of bad behaviour; unpaid bills, acting creepy around female housemates, drugs etc. Sleeve's doing well for himself these days, high paying tech job and all. I'm pretty sure he went un-footered with.
:laugh: that's good to hear. Looks like ol' Mike was an all round decent dude. I think you used to tell me he was sound in person but he was forever offering to meet up with me for a rumble. If only I knew he was potentially after my tender southern cheeks I would have brought flowers.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 09:50:31 PM:laugh: that's good to hear. Looks like ol' Mike was an all round decent dude. I think you used to tell me he was sound in person but he was forever offering to meet up with me for a rumble. If only I knew he was potentially after my tender southern cheeks I would have brought flowers.
I was telling the wife last night about the time he met "you" in Belfast to kick your ass, and it was Fart all along :laugh:
??? What's the craic with the paedo motel? A halfway house to reform diddlers? Has anyone seen him out and about or is he hiding out?
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 08, 2025, 10:04:07 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 09:50:31 PM:laugh: that's good to hear. Looks like ol' Mike was an all round decent dude. I think you used to tell me he was sound in person but he was forever offering to meet up with me for a rumble. If only I knew he was potentially after my tender southern cheeks I would have brought flowers.
I was telling the wife last night about the time he met "you" in Belfast to kick your ass, and it was Fart all along :laugh:
Didnt he offer to fight a whole bunch of ppl on MI at one point or another? I think CT at one point. Maybe Chris too? From what I remember he was quite wee in real life too lol.
Quote from: Mooncat on February 08, 2025, 10:11:23 PMQuote from: Dark Stranger on February 08, 2025, 10:04:07 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 09:50:31 PM:laugh: that's good to hear. Looks like ol' Mike was an all round decent dude. I think you used to tell me he was sound in person but he was forever offering to meet up with me for a rumble. If only I knew he was potentially after my tender southern cheeks I would have brought flowers.
I was telling the wife last night about the time he met "you" in Belfast to kick your ass, and it was Fart all along :laugh:
Didnt he offer to fight a whole bunch of ppl on MI at one point or another? I think CT at one point. Maybe Chris too? From what I remember he was quite wee in real life too lol.
You might say, he never quite got out of the playground.
He definitely threatened to bate Era Chris for sure, and Andy. And Fart. And the Progfather. And probably more.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:10:21 PM??? What's the craic with the paedo motel? A halfway house to reform diddlers? Has anyone seen him out and about or is he hiding out?
It's one of those places they stick sex offenders, there's a few in Belfast (one close to the old Auntie Annies venue) where they go after release from prison. They tend to move them out of the area the victim lives in, so he's most likely in Ballymena. A mate of mine saw him in East Belfast before the sentencing and he'd had a very visible hammering, his face was all messed up, and that was the last he was sighted.
How young was the victim?
Served only 1 year in prison for raping a child, reporting gets scrubbed, and he gets relocated to somewhere where people hopefully don't know that he's a child fucker!?? Grim :(
https://youtu.be/YnNhd7dLj3w?si=vV6LPbjWMNCdenoE
Remember this X factor style video being cringe but is now so for completely different reasons
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51FeYgn-ikQ&t=329s&pp=ygUSQWx0dXMgYmFuZCBiZWxmYXN0
Ah I remember when this came out, you think the first part of the song is bad :-[
Also..Why is there three 'Altus Belfast' YouTube accounts?!
And to be fair when they first landed on MI I remember there was some genuine guidance especially in terms of the vocals but the Leather lad was incredibly stubborn and combative
I think that's why the song got more stick was because of his antics
Did a gig with them in Belfast years ago, the singer was some lad, too, wanted everybody cleared out of backstage so he could meditate and get into character or whatever his fucking problem was. He came out in full panda get-up with the rest of the lads looking like they had just finished a shift in Subway. Bad times.
They played downstairs at the Siege one time. I went down just to get a look at Mike because he was such a character on here :laugh:
Before the set, the singer had some cloak on and was sitting on the stage cross legged with his hood up, meditating with some incense.
I was coming up on a yoke and it seemed like they were taking forever to get set up, so I got bored and left without ever hearing a note 🤷
Is this him playing guitar on the right?
Yeah that's him. I remember the singer alright - like he was in portal or something then the other boys in their down machine head nirvana tees
Did the entire line-up of Altus, apart from Mike, change over time? Sleeve wasn't in the line-up when they did that "We all like Metallica" behind the music video thing, for example.
Think it may have just been the singer that changed?
Nope you're right seemed everyone changed at some point
https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Altus/3540379777
Was Skott Fury part of that band too, or am I getting mixed up with another mad Nordy band? Seemed to be loads of them around that time
There was definitely an article in the Telegraph - I remember the picture.
QuoteI was telling the wife last night about the time he met "you" in Belfast to kick your ass, and it was Fart all along :laugh:
Desperately hoping there's more detail to this one.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:36:51 PMHow young was the victim?
12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
Fucking depressing that kids have to be taught lessons like that in primary school, but this is the world we live in.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 09, 2025, 03:38:06 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:36:51 PMHow young was the victim?
12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
Fucking depressing that kids have to be taught lessons like that in primary school, but this is the world we live in.
Jesus Christ 12, that's grim as fuck
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 09, 2025, 03:38:06 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:36:51 PMHow young was the victim?
12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
Fucking depressing that kids have to be taught lessons like that in primary school, but this is the world we live in.
Depressing is right, but it's vital.
When I was 6 or 7 in Primary School in London, we were taught some of this stuff and what to look out for. I remember being shown hypothetical scenarios involving family and adults in positions of power/responsibility and how to recognise the behaviour and report it. My parents felt it was a bit much at the time, but if it can help protect vulnerable people then it's invaluable.
Hopefully the cunt dies a horrible death. I can only imagine the pathetic little nothing trying to bullshit his way out of it.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 09, 2025, 03:38:06 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:36:51 PMHow young was the victim?
12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
Fucking depressing that kids have to be taught lessons like that in primary school, but this is the world we live in.
Fuckin hell that's awful. I look forward to him appearing in the Notable Deaths thread.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 09, 2025, 03:38:06 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:36:51 PMHow young was the victim?
12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
Fucking depressing that kids have to be taught lessons like that in primary school, but this is the world we live in.
Fair play to her for not getting caught out too much. It's horrible but if it helps kids realizing they're dealing with a creep, then keep at it.
Quote from: Anvil on February 08, 2025, 07:26:26 PMWonder if the comedian or their agent had something to do with the lack of google results, wouldn't help ticket sales if the first thing you find on a google search is an article about a child abuse conviction.
Would probably help a lot less if it was assumed he was a member of Altus.
Christ! Just reading the Leather Mike update. Some dirty hoor!
He was always clashing heads with someone on the old MI forums.
Back on topic, but on a similar note...
Lost Prophets.
They had a good run of popularity right up until that Watkins nonce, another diabolical cunt, got found out and sent down.
Quote from: jobrok1 on February 10, 2025, 12:32:57 AMChrist! Just reading the Leather Mike update. Some dirty hoor!
He was always clashing heads with someone on the old MI forums.
Back on topic, but on a similar note...
Lost Prophets.
They had a good run of popularity right up until that Watkins nonce, another diabolical cunt, got found out and sent down.
I'll always take pride in the fact that the only time I've ever thrown stuff at a band it was them. Nonce cunt.
Fucking hell. Fair play to her for knowing what to do. He must be in his 30s, yeah?
Yeah, pushing 40 I'd say.
Cunt.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 07, 2025, 05:02:40 PMWe heard from a mate who was watching the live video feed from the trial, what he done was vile, distressing and absolutely cruel.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 09, 2025, 03:38:06 PM12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
I'm a bit confused... the first statement seems to imply that he did something horrible, but the second statement seems to imply that she realised she was being groomed and got away before anything happened?
Quote from: Sworntothecans on February 10, 2025, 02:08:33 AMI'll always take pride in the fact that the only time I've ever thrown stuff at a band it was them. Nonce cunt.
Speaking of throwing things at bands, Linkin Park got a lot of hatred when they opened for Metallica at the RDS in '03!
A mate of mine says it all kicked off when the singer said something like "We should be headlining here, not Metallica". I don't remember any such comment, but my mate seems sure that's what kicked it off?
Maybe somebody else that was there could clarify?
No I was at that show - that didn't happen.
Quote from: Giggles on February 10, 2025, 01:38:58 PMQuote from: Sworntothecans on February 10, 2025, 02:08:33 AMI'll always take pride in the fact that the only time I've ever thrown stuff at a band it was them. Nonce cunt.
Speaking of throwing things at bands, Linkin Park got a lot of hatred when they opened for Metallica at the RDS in '03!
A mate of mine says it all kicked off when the singer said something like "We should be headlining here, not Metallica". I don't remember any such comment, but my mate seems sure that's what kicked it off?
Maybe somebody else that was there could clarify?
Yeah 100% that didn't happen. The crowd just didn't like a big Nu-Metal band playing the same stage as Metallica.
I remember Mike Shinoda saying something like - "I know it says this is a joint headliner show, but we know that this is Metallica's show". Bought him a bit of goodwill, I think.
13 year old me at his first gig very much enjoyed Linkin Park and was mortified at the bottling craic :laugh:
Mate of mine was front row and he was surprised how well they took the abuse 😂
I think I watched 5 minutes and fucked off for a pint.
Yeah I was close enough myself. To be fair to them they stuck the heads down and rocked away doing their thing. Did sympathise with them there was bottles landing on them and seen liquid fly all over their decks but they didn't miss a beat or whinge so fair dues.
Quote from: The Heretic on February 02, 2025, 03:30:18 PMAs a general rule I hate bands that wear masks, what's the fucking point?
Middle aged men with day jobs in something like the financial sector who simply can't be unmasked unless they make the big time because otherwise it's the everyday reputation at stake if it doesn't go well
Who are that fucking new band with the masks that don't do interviews etc. Can't think of the name for the life of me but everything about them really annoys me and I've only heard like half of one song if I even got that far. Think they're headlining download this year actually but fuck I read one tiny article about them once and the phone gave two weeks trying to feed me more. Think they've a very crap looking logo as well iirc.
Regarding Bush, who started the thread: they were neither good enough to be good nor shit enough to be shit. Certainly not as offensive to me as they seem to be to others. Sorta Nickleback level tripe
Linkin Park played went through the set and kept the heads down.
The only comment I remember was Chester B saying this next one is for the real Linkin Park fans.
I do remember the fella with the decks doing a "bring it" type hand gesture.
The crowd brought it in spades for him.
The year before Lost Prophets got plenty of abuse , can"t remember if there was stuff flying at them though.
Corey Taylor admonished the crowd during the Slipknot set and Hetfeld said kudos to them for playing on and it was the crowds choice if they didn't like them or something.
If only they knew what they were defending!
The horrible cunt.
Quote from: Pat Twisted Wrath on February 10, 2025, 01:47:12 PMYeah 100% that didn't happen.
Good to know, I've always thought that my mate was a bit of an unreliable narrator, I'm looking forward to showing him these responses :laugh:
Can confirm Linkin Park didn't say anything to provoke the crowd's disgust that day. They let their music do that.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 10, 2025, 04:57:07 PMLinkin Park played went through the set and kept the heads down.
The only comment I remember was Chester B saying this next one is for the real Linkin Park fans.
I do remember the fella with the decks doing a "bring it" type hand gesture.
The crowd brought it in spades for him.
The year before Lost Prophets got plenty of abuse , can"t remember if there was stuff flying at them though.
Corey Taylor admonished the crowd during the Slipknot set and Hetfeld said kudos to them for playing on and it was the crowds choice if they didn't like them or something.
If only they knew what they were defending!
The horrible cunt.
Lostprophets did as my mate lamped the nonce with a coke bottle🏆
I was at that Metallica show as well it was actually my first ever gig. A long time ago but I don't remember it being that bad compared to some other stuff I have seen over the years. I do remember some bands at Download in 06 getting treated a lot worse like Guns N Roses. Every two seconds bottles of piss were landing on the stage while they played.
Even though Metallica are sell outs putting Linkin Park on tour with them was a bad idea. I wonder how they were treated at the other shows on that tour.
As for paedo Mike is he related to Judge Nolan? Didn't the dog man on the old forum always take the piss out of paedo Mike over the shite that he use to post :laugh: or maybe I am thinking of your man boysetsdavis or whatever he was called.
Didn't your man Desertfather have the dog in a suit picture? If so yeah that's him that used to rip Leather Nonce.
Nah that was Snatchgrabber.
And as for Linkin Park they are what they are it's dopey behaviour to fuck bottles or whatever.
Yeah Snatchgrabber is who I was talking about.
I remember Hetfield saying "You guys were pretty hard on Linkin Park, man". He was right I guess but they are an absolute joke of a band, bottled or not.
I'm not sure if there's such thing as riding the cottails of someone's death but yer man from Linkin Park did it to Chris Cornell, nearly can't read or talk about Soungarden anywhere anymore without someone bringing them up as if they're anywhere in the same league, he could have waited a year at least.
QuoteHe was right I guess but they are an absolute joke of a band, bottled or not
Hetfield was bottled when he asked if anyone picked up St Anger. If anyone was shit that day it was Metallica, they've since tightened up somewhat - I've seen a few better performances since but there were mistakes all over the shop, Lars was abysmal and Hammett wasn't too far behind. The hills have eyes crowd lapped it up though. Some amount of troglodytes at that.
Quote from: ldj on February 10, 2025, 06:10:44 PMI'm not sure if there's such thing as riding the cottails of someone's death but yer man from Linkin Park did it to Chris Cornell, nearly can't read or talk about Soungarden anywhere anymore without someone bringing them up as if they're anywhere in the same league, he could have waited a year at least.
:laugh: :laugh: Shit band, shit suicide.
Quote from: Giggles on February 10, 2025, 01:36:30 PMQuote from: Dark Stranger on February 07, 2025, 05:02:40 PMWe heard from a mate who was watching the live video feed from the trial, what he done was vile, distressing and absolutely cruel.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 09, 2025, 03:38:06 PM12 years old. She'd received a safeguarding lesson in primary school, realised that was what was happening to her, and went straight to the police as advised.
It happened on more than one occasion sadly.
I'm a bit confused... the first statement seems to imply that he did something horrible, but the second statement seems to imply that she realised she was being groomed and got away before anything happened?
More than one victim?
No, one victim on multiple occasions.
Quote from: Dark Stranger on February 11, 2025, 11:56:00 AMNo, one victim on multiple occasions.
But you're doing alright now, Dónal? Yeah!
:laugh: :laugh:
:laugh:
:laugh: Scarred for life now John
Looks like Leather Mike doesn't like Bush either then?
I'll get my coat..
:laugh:
Ah jaysus :laugh:
Leather Trike would be a more fitting name?
Leather Tyke I would say....shouldn't be laughing at the last few posts I know, am a bad person
Nope. They're funny.
It's been an interesting few months for me, have to say: three of my online metal scene "nemeses" have turned out to be a borderline nazi, a zionist war crime apologist, and now a nonce! I get that many find me annoying as fuck, but I must be doing something right :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2025, 06:35:45 PMIt's been an interesting few months for me, have to say: three of my online metal scene "nemeses" have turned out to be a borderline nazi, a zionist war crime apologist, and now a nonce! I get that many find me annoying as fuck, but I must be doing something right :laugh:
Me branding Led Zepp a no better than a bluesy pub band to ya seems pretty benign now :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2025, 06:35:45 PMIt's been an interesting few months for me, have to say: three of my online metal scene "nemeses" have turned out to be a borderline nazi, a zionist war crime apologist, and now a nonce! I get that many find me annoying as fuck, but I must be doing something right :laugh:
I bet you have skeletons, perhaps literally in your closet. Only way this part of the thread could escalate. :laugh:
Quote from: The Heretic on February 12, 2025, 09:35:19 AMLooks like Leather Mike doesn't like Bush either then?
You win :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2025, 06:35:45 PMIt's been an interesting few months for me, have to say: three of my online metal scene "nemeses" have turned out to be a borderline nazi, a zionist war crime apologist, and now a nonce! I get that many find me annoying as fuck, but I must be doing something right :laugh:
You're borderline quite a few things yourself.
Anyways, that'll keep for another time...
The Russians think I'm a borderline communist for playfully calling the security guard 'tovarish ' (comrade).
In a halfway house for Nonces. In Belfast. I'd say he wakes up buzzing every morning.
Quote from: Emphyrio on February 12, 2025, 07:05:19 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2025, 06:35:45 PMIt's been an interesting few months for me, have to say: three of my online metal scene "nemeses" have turned out to be a borderline nazi, a zionist war crime apologist, and now a nonce! I get that many find me annoying as fuck, but I must be doing something right :laugh:
I bet you have skeletons, perhaps literally in your closet. Only way this part of the thread could escalate. :laugh:
My closet, Narnia style, is literally a gulag, the very frozen soil of which is the ground-up flesh and bone of my enemies. Including a quarter of Aslan/Christy Dignam.
Quote from: The Butcher on February 06, 2025, 10:17:51 AMI'll just shoot several fish in the barrel all at once to get it over with ->
Five Finger Death Punch (maybe this will spur on LeatherMike to register :laugh: )
Dave Matthews Band
Imagine Dragons
One Minute Silence
Yoko Ono
And we all know why.
I actually like a good bit of the One Minute Silence stuff up to this day. I think they were very much overhyped by Kerrang and Metal Hammer but I don't see what's so bad about anything after the first album (production on that album has to be some of the worst ever) that you'd still remember to hate them. Is it the very strong political stance or the overhype of the time, or simply the bad music that gets them on the list?
Quote from: Giggles on February 10, 2025, 01:38:58 PMQuote from: Sworntothecans on February 10, 2025, 02:08:33 AMI'll always take pride in the fact that the only time I've ever thrown stuff at a band it was them. Nonce cunt.
Speaking of throwing things at bands, Linkin Park got a lot of hatred when they opened for Metallica at the RDS in '03!
A mate of mine says it all kicked off when the singer said something like "We should be headlining here, not Metallica". I don't remember any such comment, but my mate seems sure that's what kicked it off?
Maybe somebody else that was there could clarify?
Was there and that definitely didn't happen but I know there was at least one bottle of piss thrown at them. It actually sounded like they were just playing the cd and miming to it. Surely the most drab live performance I've seen, but no that headlining thing definitely didn't happen
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 10, 2025, 06:19:37 PMQuoteHe was right I guess but they are an absolute joke of a band, bottled or not
Hetfield was bottled when he asked if anyone picked up St Anger. If anyone was shit that day it was Metallica, they've since tightened up somewhat - I've seen a few better performances since but there were mistakes all over the shop, Lars was abysmal and Hammett wasn't too far behind. The hills have eyes crowd lapped it up though. Some amount of troglodytes at that.
Can also confirm that Metallica were absolute dogshit at that gig.
Thank fuck I made up for it when they played Master Of Puppets all the way through and then I vowed to never see them again
Quote from: The Heretic on February 12, 2025, 09:35:19 AMLooks like Leather Mike doesn't like Bush either then?
Oooffff. Fuckin hell lad absolutely the best and the worst in the one go. Fuckin hell
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2025, 06:35:45 PMIt's been an interesting few months for me, have to say: three of my online metal scene "nemeses" have turned out to be a borderline nazi, a zionist war crime apologist, and now a nonce! I get that many find me annoying as fuck, but I must be doing something right :laugh:
Can't believe I didn't make the top three after two years arguing about covid.
Three classic victories there though lad, tis like...
Ah fuck no I was going to turn Metallica's best run of three albums into puns about Leather Mike but I just don't have it in me
Edit: let's just say it was ripe for the taking, unlike...
No, it's just too bleak
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2025, 03:25:30 PMQuote from: The Butcher on February 06, 2025, 10:17:51 AMI'll just shoot several fish in the barrel all at once to get it over with ->
Five Finger Death Punch (maybe this will spur on LeatherMike to register :laugh: )
He's already on a register. :)
Ah lads this will actually turn into a pun thread if we're not careful...
And I'm going to hell for hoping it does
No Life (sentence) for Leather :'(
Hell's sent for Leather
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2025, 03:38:36 PMQuote from: Giggles on February 10, 2025, 01:38:58 PMQuote from: Sworntothecans on February 10, 2025, 02:08:33 AMI'll always take pride in the fact that the only time I've ever thrown stuff at a band it was them. Nonce cunt.
Speaking of throwing things at bands, Linkin Park got a lot of hatred when they opened for Metallica at the RDS in '03!
A mate of mine says it all kicked off when the singer said something like "We should be headlining here, not Metallica". I don't remember any such comment, but my mate seems sure that's what kicked it off?
Maybe somebody else that was there could clarify?
Was there and that definitely didn't happen but I know there was at least one bottle of piss thrown at them. It actually sounded like they were just playing the cd and miming to it. Surely the most drab live performance I've seen, but no that headlining thing definitely didn't happen
Reminds me of when Marilyn Manson opened for Iron Maiden in the RDS and the guitarist got smashed with a potato mid song, with so much force it just exploded and then MM was singing with his foot on monitor and got hit in the head with a big dirty runner :laugh:
Ride The Tight Thing
Master of Poppets
And Justice For Leather Mike
If I was a terrible person, those ones would have sprang to mind
Ulster Says Nonce
He'll Bend for Leather (Mike)
Err, "All Hail The New Flesh".
Quote from: astfgyl on February 14, 2025, 07:38:22 PMRide The Tight Thing
Master of Poppets
And Justice For Leather Mike
If I was a terrible person, those ones would have sprang to mind
(Anal Seizure) - Pulling Pre-Teens
For Whom the Bellend Tolls
The Frayed Ends of Statutory
QuoteThe Frayed Ends of Statutory
Fucking hell :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:10:21 PM??? What's the craic with the paedo motel?
Dun-Dun
# On a dark desert-father highway... #
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This has to be the bleakest thread on this forum by a long shot.
I'm after thinking of another like 20 puns and it's just too bleak
Quote from: StoutAndAle on February 20, 2025, 12:55:47 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 08, 2025, 10:10:21 PM??? What's the craic with the paedo motel?
Dun-Dun
# On a dark desert-father highway... #
Living it up in the hotel Pedophilia
Plenty of kids at the hotel paedophilia.
What a nice surprise!?
Bring your alibis.
"Bring your alibis" :laugh: :laugh:
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I often see Opeth get a lot of hate. A lad at a festival years ago described them to me as The Doors of metal, still don't know what he meant.
I've been on an Opeth kick the last few months, would have just been a casual fan before but have gotten well into them. A great, diverse body of work, other than Heritage being shite and Pale Communion a bit meh.
I think any band that gets grouped under the 'prog' umbrella inevitably gains a bit of an annoying fanbase leading to the band themselves being hated on.
Zakk Wylde seems to get a bit of stick from people. Not sure why (even though I'm not a fan). Noticed it again on the Pantera live thread. Is it just his playing with Pantera, or did he do something to piss people off?
I went to see Zakk Sabbath play in Birmingham on the 50th anniversary of the first Sabbath album. "What could go wrong?" I thought.
Zakk Wylde, that's what. Possibly the worst fucking gig I've ever been to.
Quote from: Killchain on February 25, 2025, 12:37:03 PMZakk Wylde seems to get a bit of stick from people. Not sure why (even though I'm not a fan). Noticed it again on the Pantera live thread. Is it just his playing with Pantera, or did he do something to piss people off?
BLS for whatever reason have always been hated here and on the old forum. No idea about it myself as I don't know anything about them and I couldn't even name a single song. The only interaction I have ever had with them was buying a ticket to a show they headlined as EHG were supporting. I left that show after EHG played so never saw BLS or COC who also played.
One thing I will say is that for as long as I can remember Zakk Wylde has always been down as the name to fill in for Dime if a Pantera reunion ever took place. A Pantera tour reunion group is on facebook in which plenty of people are posting pictures with Zakk having bumped into him wandering around their city the day Pantera is playing. All seem to say he is a gent and more than willing to spend time chatting to anyone that approaches him.
It's the whole cosplaying as a biker hard man schtick that BLS do.
He's a talented guy (love his early Ozzy stuff), but fucking hell BLS are cringe.
Plus the fans such mongo music attracts.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 25, 2025, 02:28:06 PMPlus the fans such mongo music attracts.
One of the lads was at Hellfest years ago and had to wait out their set for who was on next and was surrounded by hoards of the gobshites. Made his hangover even worse.
It's pretty hilarious that BLS previously had to warn their fans about wearing their fake biker merch to shows in case they get beat up by the actual bikers in town :laugh:
Are BLS bikers or is it just the look?
Nah man, their leather jackets are made from black bin liners. Rumour has it their bikes are speed restricted, but you didn't hear it from me.
I also have it on good authority that Zakk Wild's pinch harmonics are gluton free. Make of that what you will.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 26, 2025, 10:24:44 AMNah man, their leather jackets are made from black bin liners. Rumour has it their bikes are speed restricted, but you didn't hear it from me.
I also have it on good authority that Zakk Wild's pinch harmonics are gluton free. Make of that what you will.
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I can see the reasons for the Zakk Wylde dislike now. Always assumed that BLS were actually bikers (strange that they would pretend to be something there not). Interesting...
The biker gang thing is total cringe. There was some bullshit on MtV years ago where young spas got to spend time with their heroes. I recall one where a BLS fanboy got to be a roadie for them or something like that. He sneakily tried on someone's BLS "vest"/biker jacket and they bollocked him out of it when they found out because he hadn't "earned" his own one and "you don't wear another man's vest", that kind of shite. I'm cringing horrifically, even now, all these years later, recalling it, the most spasticated thing I have ever seen. Fucking morto for them still :laugh:
The way to earn it presumably is to smash an entire slab of Bud Lite into your own forehead in one go.
The whole biker gang thing is absolutely spastic, then to be pretend ones is even worse
I've seen interviews with Wylde though when he comes across as a decent lad, and others when he just seems like an eejit. It's nearly like a character he turns on and off depending on what he's promoting
Didn't poor Zakk get threatened by the Hells Angels because their logo was too similar or something. Mongos threatening Mongos.
Another annoyance with Zakk is his persona of being from the southern States when he's a born and bred New Yorker. Granted he's not the first rocker to lie about their background. Didn't Ian Astbury try and play the red Indian card for a while because he had long black hair. Cunt is from Cheshire!
Quote from: Bürggermeister on February 26, 2025, 11:05:23 AMThe biker gang thing is total cringe. There was some bullshit on MtV years ago where young spas got to spend time with their heroes. I recall one where a BLS fanboy got to be a roadie for them or something like that. He sneakily tried on someone's BLS "vest"/biker jacket and they bollocked him out of it when they found out because he hadn't "earned" his own one and "you don't wear another man's vest", that kind of shite. I'm cringing horrifically, even now, all these years later, recalling it, the most spasticated thing I have ever seen. Fucking morto for them still :laugh:
That scene was scripted, allegedly: https://blacklabelsociety.net/f-a-q/
Quote· What is The BLS Vest Incident?
Many of you may have seen a video on YouTube, Facebook, or somewhere else online from an MTV special in 2004/2005 about Zakk getting pissed off at Ozzfest because someone wore this guy Dave's BLS vest. It was totally scripted. It was not real. It was just an act for the video that they were shooting. At this time, the band was actively selling the patches online and Zakk was no longer in control of who earned vests/patches, nor did Big Dave "pay his dues to get this vest".
This is also the same guy that was screwing with Iron Maidens set during Ozzfest 2005. From Blabbermouth: "Later that evening, as IRON MAIDEN came on stage, their intro was interrupted by [BLACK LABEL SOCIETY] hanger-on and biker wannabe Big Dave, who was at the soundboard loudly chanting 'Ozzy, Ozzy' over the PA." Although reports from that night are now scarce, I wouldn't be surprised if he was also the same guy that ran across Maidens set with an American flag.
I never knew that they weren't actual bikers, that's kind of funny. Yeah I could see why that would piss some people off.
I still like his guitar playing though, although I haven't listened to anything BLS since about 2006.
His solo stuff Book of Shadows is a great album.
His 15 min live guitar solos are shite though. Nobody needs to hear that.
Quote from: Giggles on February 06, 2025, 04:40:02 PMQuote from: The Butcher on February 06, 2025, 10:17:51 AMFive Finger Death Punch (maybe this will spur on LeatherMike to register :laugh: )
Leather Mike registered on here a few years ago! I can't remember his username but I think it's all numbers. I think he was promoting some guitars he modded over lockdown, if I'm remembering correctly.
Here's one that gets a lot of hate: Polyphia.
Personally, I don't mind them, I appreciate the uniqueness of their sound. I'd throw on a song every couple of months or so. I play guitar and I like their technicality, although it's not something I'd be interested in trying to emulate. I'd see them live if they played here.
I'd say most of the hate stems from Tim Henson's fashion sense, and the fact that he looks like a girly boy.
Jumping back to this since the err, Leather Nonce dust has settled. Polyphia are nuts. They're one of the more original sounding bands out there for sure.
And part of me gets a kick out of Henson looking like he just fell off an androgynous catwalk, but can eat eat a sizeable portion of metal guitar players for breakfast.
Quote from: Giggles on February 26, 2025, 01:13:01 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on February 26, 2025, 11:05:23 AMThe biker gang thing is total cringe. There was some bullshit on MtV years ago where young spas got to spend time with their heroes. I recall one where a BLS fanboy got to be a roadie for them or something like that. He sneakily tried on someone's BLS "vest"/biker jacket and they bollocked him out of it when they found out because he hadn't "earned" his own one and "you don't wear another man's vest", that kind of shite. I'm cringing horrifically, even now, all these years later, recalling it, the most spasticated thing I have ever seen. Fucking morto for them still :laugh:
That scene was scripted, allegedly: https://blacklabelsociety.net/f-a-q/
Quote· What is The BLS Vest Incident?
Many of you may have seen a video on YouTube, Facebook, or somewhere else online from an MTV special in 2004/2005 about Zakk getting pissed off at Ozzfest because someone wore this guy Dave's BLS vest. It was totally scripted. It was not real. It was just an act for the video that they were shooting. At this time, the band was actively selling the patches online and Zakk was no longer in control of who earned vests/patches, nor did Big Dave "pay his dues to get this vest".
This is also the same guy that was screwing with Iron Maidens set during Ozzfest 2005. From Blabbermouth: "Later that evening, as IRON MAIDEN came on stage, their intro was interrupted by [BLACK LABEL SOCIETY] hanger-on and biker wannabe Big Dave, who was at the soundboard loudly chanting 'Ozzy, Ozzy' over the PA." Although reports from that night are now scarce, I wouldn't be surprised if he was also the same guy that ran across Maidens set with an American flag.
I never knew that they weren't actual bikers, that's kind of funny. Yeah I could see why that would piss some people off.
I still like his guitar playing though, although I haven't listened to anything BLS since about 2006.
His solo stuff Book of Shadows is a great album.
His 15 min live guitar solos are shite though. Nobody needs to hear that.
"Zakk was no longer in control of who earned vests/patches"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: That suggests there was an "earned" aspect to it, for sure. Dig upwards, Zakk!
I should point out that that website I linked isn't official, it's run by a fan. But yeah, they state that there was a "controlled" element to who got to wear the vests/patches. Zakk's friends and crew basically:
QuoteBack in the late 90's/early 2000's, it used to be that the vests and BLS patches were controlled by Zakk, and only given to people that he feels have earned the right to wear them, specifically people directly associated with the band. But now, anybody can get vests, wrist bands, and guitar straps through Red Monkey Designs other merch can be purchased at the Official Black Label Society Store.
Quote from: ldj on February 23, 2025, 04:31:48 PMI've been on an Opeth kick the last few months, would have just been a casual fan before but have gotten well into them. A great, diverse body of work, other than Heritage being shite and Pale Communion a bit meh.
I think any band that gets grouped under the 'prog' umbrella inevitably gains a bit of an annoying fanbase leading to the band themselves being hated on.
Opeth were something of a gateway band for me. I got Deliverance when it was the current release, just by chance really, after spending a couple of years drifting away from metal. It opened up things again for me when I thought metal was all but dead and helped lead me to the underground shortly after. I loved all their prior 90s albums then around that time but as I digged deeper into the scene Opeth lost a bit of their lustre. They were somewhat too polished, or somehow less 'metal' than the other things I was getting in to. Cool players with some well constructed songs but the music overall wasn't hitting the spot. Was it too 'nice'?? I'm not sure. I've never gone back to them since those days. Maybe it's a similar feeling for others that leads to them being regarded as a maligned band.
Not maligned for me by a long shot, time goes by and Mikael grew into his own being ,expressing himself how he sees fit. I don't particularly like the new album or any of the few before hand but that's because I have no affinity with the seventies prog vibe. I can leave him to it but always have time for Orchid and My Arms.., Still Life, just a case of going your seperate ways I suppose but not neglecting the gold (in my opinion) that came before.
I can well remember when Opeth were just another band on the scene , same with Anon Amarth and Arch Enemy and could never have imagined how they would have exploded.
Opeth are a great band. Never knew of them being maligned.
I remember a few people throwing the toys out of their prams around the time of Damnation and Deliverance.
Yep, I can recall the same around Damnation etc up until maybe Watershed. Can def remember Opeth being fairly well regarded on the old MI forum, then the bubble burst somewhat. Not sure if I would ever describe them as maligned though, think it's more a case that they ran their course somewhat with listeners
Not Maligned, as you say ran their course and there were one or two really boring records dropped which didn't help
Don't know if "maligned" is the right word or not, but there's definitely the typical tr00 crowd folk who only like the early stuff and think everything with the clean vocals is false. Then there's the crowd (which I was part of) who found them treading water with Watershed and just lost interest for several years/albums. And when Heritage came out, there was a fair bit of "they've disappeared up their own holes" type criticism. Maligned ain't far off.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 27, 2025, 01:01:10 PMDon't know if "maligned" is the right word or not, but there's definitely the typical tr00 crowd folk who only like the early stuff and think everything with the clean vocals is false. Then there's the crowd (which I was part of) who found them treading water with Watershed and just lost interest for several years/albums. And when Heritage came out, there was a fair bit of "they've disappeared up their own holes" type criticism. Maligned ain't far off.
Twas Watershed that done it for me as well. Very poor and dialed-in album to the extent that I can't blame them for changing a lot after it although it took until the third album of the reinvention before they did anything good with it. Wouldn't say maligned but the interest really did die a lot post Ghost Reveries
I actually quite like Watershed, it is a bit of retread but that's absolutely fine for me. Gave Heritage and Pale Communion a go but never clicked, haven't bothered with anything since
Watershed is great.
I bought a fresh copy of Watershed last year hoping it would click but it just didn't. Ah well..
Quote from: Trev on February 27, 2025, 02:09:43 PMI actually quite like Watershed, it is a bit of retread but that's absolutely fine for me. Gave Heritage and Pale Communion a go but never clicked, haven't bothered with anything since
The one after Pale Communion is actually brilliant
Both Damnation and Deliverance had some excruciatingly dull moments and I think that's where a lot of folks patience became sorely tested. That said, maligned would be way too strong a term and their overall body of work is very consistent. The title of this thread surely applies to stuff where the overwhelming consensus is that the band is, and for the most part aways has been, shite.
I continually see people bitching about the original mix of Peace Sells, I don't get it. For me, it's one of the best sounding albums of the 80's. I wouldn't change a thing. The Mustaine remix needs to fuck off and die somewhere.
Never heard any bitching about the original mix, it sounds grand to me. Agreed about the remaster though. I made the mistake of picking up 3 of them (that, SFSGSW and RIP) and they're very disappointing.
There was a remaster of the original Peace Sells mix out there for a reissue a few years back, I must track that down.
I have it' it's a double CD with a gig from Cleveland on the second CD. It's louder than the original, but that's it. You don't need it.
Fuck it so. Is the gig any use at least? I'd imagine it's half KIMB, which is NOMB.
The setlist is:
Intro
Wake Up Dead
The Conjuring
Bad Omen
Rattlehead
Killing Is My Business...And Business Is Good
Looking Down The Cross
My Last Words
Peace Sells
These Boots Were Made For Walkin'
Devils Island
Last Rites / Loved To Deth
Mechanix
It's from 1987 with Poland and Samuelson. It's good, but it sounds halfway between a dictaphone and a desk recording. Very odd. It's good, but it's not worth the price of the CD.
Yeah, I'll give it a miss so. One of those that's been sitting on my wishlist for years, I can scrub it altogether.
Whatever abour complaining about the original mix, even if I don't agree, but surely there aren't people who actually prefer the remix!?
I know a dude who's first experience is the remixes and that's all he'll touch. A lost soul indeed.
Aside from Megadave himself you might get younger fans who hadn't heard the original version, like Ducky's mate. Y'know yerself, when you discover new music, it's usually the first version/album you hear that sticks with you. They'd be wrong of course, and must encounter smackums.
They're suffering enough.
I've sometimes wondered if those awful remixes were the result of hearing damage suffered by Mustaine. Like how else could you sign off on such flat, lifeless sounds that sap all the power and atmosphere of the originals?!
Quote from: Carnage on February 27, 2025, 11:43:43 PMAside from Megadave himself you might get younger fans who hadn't heard the original version, like Ducky's mate. Y'know yerself, when you discover new music, it's usually the first version/album you hear that sticks with you. They'd be wrong of course, and must encounter smackums.
They were the first versions I heard, and to be honest I couldn't see why they were so hated
Then a while back I found a cheap original version of Rust and gave it a go. Nearly like a different album! Hearing Five Magics without the Seasame Street backup vocals was something else
Quote from: Born of Fire on February 28, 2025, 02:29:31 PMI've sometimes wondered if those awful remixes were the result of hearing damage suffered by Mustaine. Like how else could you sign off on such flat, lifeless sounds that sap all the power and atmosphere of the originals?!
As with most things with Dave:more spite than hearing loss. "SOMEONE HAS WRONGED ME! I'M ANGRY AGAIN"
I got into Megadeth in 2002/2003 when I was a teenager. But alot of my mates checked them out a few years later, around 2007 or 2008 and they hated them, even though they liked Metallica, Etc. I couldnt understand why. Then I realised they were listening to the remixes and showed them to proper mixes. Turned into fans straight away, they couldnt get over how different it was.
Made me realise how many people in that generation probably weren't even aware of the original mixes. I believe for awhile the original mixes were taking off the shelves and just the remixed versions could be got. Took awhile for them to pop up on spotify too.
Quote from: Born of Fire on February 28, 2025, 02:29:31 PMI've sometimes wondered if those awful remixes were the result of hearing damage suffered by Mustaine. Like how else could you sign off on such flat, lifeless sounds that sap all the power and atmosphere of the originals?!
I read an interview with COC, who were supporting Megadeth on the Youthanasia tour, where they indicated that Mustaines guitar sounds were terrible and that they attributed to him having hearing issues even that far back. It wasn't said in a nasty way either, more an observation.
He obviously can't hear himself sing either so he's probably clinically deaf at least :laugh:
Quote from: KolD on February 28, 2025, 04:18:31 PMI got into Megadeth in 2002/2003 when I was a teenager. But alot of my mates checked them out a few years later, around 2007 or 2008 and they hated them, even though they liked Metallica, Etc. I couldnt understand why. Then I realised they were listening to the remixes and showed them to proper mixes. Turned into fans straight away, they couldnt get over how different it was.
Made me realise how many people in that generation probably weren't even aware of the original mixes. I believe for awhile the original mixes were taking off the shelves and just the remixed versions could be got. Took awhile for them to pop up on spotify too.
The original mix versions were deleted. All you can get now is the shit remasters, unless they reversed that decision at some stage. Haven't heard that, though. I'm glad I'm an old cunt 😂
Both options are up on Spotify anyway which is where lots of folks will go for them now. Glad I have to old mixes on CD.
I must check out those remixes. People have been giving out about them for a long time but I've never heard them.
You'll love the horn section in Into The Lungs Of Hell :laugh:
Are they literally just remixed or are the drums redone, backing vocals redone etc. Someone mentioned the backing vocals on Five Magics and I had forgotten all about that.
Did Mustaine have them redone and figure out a way to pocket more money for him and wipe out the past members earning some of that money or did he actually just think the production was amazing and wanted to remix it to the new sound :laugh:
Bizarre to do that with your classic albums. Imagine Metallica or Slayer releasing South Of Heaven, Reign in Blood, Kill Em'All, Puppets etc in the new production and deleting the older ones and newer fans not knowing anything about those timeless originals. The amount of Megadeth fans I knew that literally never heard the originals :laugh:
Some of the vocals and guitars are rerecorded. The excuse at the time was that some of the original master tapes were lost or damaged, if memory serves. Less of a remix overall, they were marketed as remasters, but there's certainly different emphasis in spots that a remaster wouldn't account for on its own.
They were definitely marketed as remixed and remastered. Mustaine chose to rerecord lots of parts such as the harmonica parts from Youthanasia, the vocals on the MD.45 album and various bits of guitar and vocals elsewhere.
He also added different arrangements to the likes of the In My Darkest Hour intro.
He also raise the horn section on Into The Lungs Of He'll. I preferred them at the original volume.... where I couldn't hear/notice them!
The remixes were littered with mistakes too. I recall that on one of the youthanasia songs that the snare disappears for a verse in one of the songs. Although the shite snare sample sound he chose on the albums, maybe that was a good thing.
Quote from: The Great Cull on February 28, 2025, 08:00:56 PMYou'll love the horn section in Into The Lungs Of Hell :laugh:
That was a shock to the system. Was the car crash removed from 502 as well
Speaking of Megadeth, was only looking at a new vinyl copy of RIP in town the other day and was wondering whether it was the original mix or remaster, Clink and Normal were listed as the producer/mixer on the back, and no reference to any remaster on it, must pick it up if it's the og. Megadeth's back catalogue is a bit of a mess actually.
Quote from: ldj on March 01, 2025, 11:26:43 AMSpeaking of Megadeth, was only looking at a new vinyl copy of RIP in town the other day and was wondering whether it was the original mix or remaster, Clink and Normal were listed as the producer/mixer on the back, and no reference to any remaster on it, must pick it up if it's the og. Megadeth's back catalogue is a bit of a mess actually.
Check Discogs the next time you're looking in the shops.
Some of the recent pressings (last 15 years) have the og mix and some have the new one, depends on territory/license.
The replacement of the bass tapping bit in Take No Prisoners with a thin and shitty clean guitar sound is particularly jarring, but he and Jr were not speaking at the time so I put it down to Dave's pettiness than a mysteriously lost track.
This kind of ties in with the Primordial threads too, but I find that albums I loved from maybe 12-20, I have zero concept of how they could sound better. When people would love them but wish that they did x, y or z in the studio, it kind of washes over me. With more recent (15+ years is recent) I'm way more discernable about how things could be improved. So the "flaws" in The Gathering Wilderness have never even registered on my radar. That said, a Remastered Rust in Peace being my intro to that album, and then getting an original (off BSC/Chris I believe!) totally knocked my socks off. Was like being born again in Mustaines light.
Quote from: Squigs on March 01, 2025, 01:26:37 PMWas like being born again in Mustaines light.
Did you "watch him become a gawd"?😂
So does this go down as the first legendary thread of Metal Warfare? I do miss the legendary threads thread from MI :laugh:
Quote from: Mooncat on March 06, 2025, 09:07:37 PMSo does this go down as the first legendary thread of Metal Warfare? I do miss the legendary threads thread from MI :laugh:
Oh we're not there yet😂
Need more Nordy lunatics! And shit fibbers bands!
Quote from: Mooncat on March 06, 2025, 09:07:37 PMI do miss the legendary threads thread from MI :laugh:
Ah jesus I would love to read the Pagan Shite thread just once more but it looks like it's gone, even from the wayback machine :'(
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 06, 2025, 09:19:07 PMQuote from: Mooncat on March 06, 2025, 09:07:37 PMI do miss the legendary threads thread from MI :laugh:
Ah jesus I would love to read the Pagan Shite thread just once more but it looks like it's gone, even from the wayback machine :'(
I wonder does it all exist on a drive in CT's closet somewhere
Quote from: Mooncat on March 06, 2025, 09:30:06 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on March 06, 2025, 09:19:07 PMQuote from: Mooncat on March 06, 2025, 09:07:37 PMI do miss the legendary threads thread from MI :laugh:
Ah jesus I would love to read the Pagan Shite thread just once more but it looks like it's gone, even from the wayback machine :'(
I wonder does it all exist on a drive in CT's closet somewhere
For a cool 20,000 we can access all the past lolz :-X