I find myself going back to read the following review every so often. As well as being funny, it is sincere and thoughtful. They aren't pissing on a classic vindictively for clout.
For myself, I quite like the album but the reviewer, UltraBoris, does make some good points and gives some food for thought.
https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Metallica/Master_of_Puppets/547/UltraBoris/147
I'm on the first paragraph and I already disagree because I love a bit of the oul Bizkit but I'll try read on anyway
A review about the review for some more context.
https://forum.metal-archives.com/viewtopic.php?p=2559755
Right so I've read the review and I think it can be summed up that the reviewer is a bit sour that it's held up as the definitive album of the era, when there are a lot of albums that are as good if not better that didn't get the recognition.
They did use a lot of words to get that point across.
It's a great album but all big things will have their detractors and the reviewer wanted a few hits is the way I see it
Clickbait gibberish.
That reviewer is a fucking poser :abbath:
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 01, 2024, 08:20:29 PMClickbait gibberish.
I wouldn't agree with you, there. It is nice to strike a chord with a post, though.
Quote from: Giggles on December 01, 2024, 08:23:19 PMThat reviewer is a fucking poser :abbath:
Nah. I think he really means what he says.
Sure look, the criticisms of Hetfield and Ulrich are as old as the album itself and hardly a revolutionary thing to point out. And there is much merit in those criticisms. Ulrich is no Gene Hoglan. Hetfields best vocals are on the 2 Loads. Yet, they still created some of the most compelling metal ever recorded. It can be both ways at the same time!
MOP changed my life as the first metal album I heard around 10 or 11 years old. Tonight I'm listening to Nocturnus, Judas Priest and Lunor Aurora. Metallica were an absolutely grand gateway band for me and I'm actually listening to them a lot more recently as my two boys, 6 and 8, are getting into Puppets, Sandman, Sad but True etc etc.
So like all things, its a bit in the middle. Absolutely not the best metal band ever but certainly far from mediocre.
Quote from: YerWan on December 01, 2024, 08:49:12 PMQuote from: Giggles on December 01, 2024, 08:23:19 PMThat reviewer is a fucking poser :abbath:
Nah. I think he really means what he says.
Hard to hear what he's saying when he won't take his own cock out of his mouth :abbath:
A Metal Archives review, and utter bolloxology - name a more iconic duo.
Reading as much of that as I could stomach reminded me of that Stewart Lee joke about James Corden supposedly being a fan of his: "Like a dog listening to classical music."
Anything of substance he thinks he may have to say is, imo, pretty much cancelled out, in absence of ears to really hear the music, by exploring the actual creative process that went into it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ-XIOUe0jI
Quote from: YerWan on December 01, 2024, 08:48:31 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on December 01, 2024, 08:20:29 PMClickbait gibberish.
I wouldn't agree with you, there. It is nice to strike a chord with a post, though.
Look at when it was written. It's revisionist bullshit shat out in the wake of napster and stanger. Christy Brown could've written a more cohesive and reasoned article in shit on a wall with his fucking right foot.
Out of curiosity OP, what points did the reviewer make that you like? I'd be interested in hearing them without having to wade through that review.
Of the sparse bits I've skimmed through, any critique seems to be: "I don't like this iconic part because it's shit and other bands do it better".
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 01, 2024, 08:20:29 PMClickbait gibberish.
Yeah. That one.
I'm like the reviewer myself using that many words to say the same thing
Quote from: Giggles on December 01, 2024, 11:15:31 PMOut of curiosity OP, what points did the reviewer make that you like? I'd be interested in hearing them without having to wade through that review.
Of the sparse bits I've skimmed through, any critique seems to be: "I don't like this iconic part because it's shit and other bands do it better".
No that's it.
Good strike by the op to get us all disgruntled though
A silly thread about a silly review of a classic album designed to irritate people. Giving it zero? Silliness.
^ and yet I can't resist getting annoyed :D
I have read some stupid shit in my time but fucking hell that takes the biscuit
I remember once Metal Hammer (I think) had an article on the 20 most overrated albums of all time, must dig it out somewhere as even at the time it was a complete troll
gone down the rabbit hole of reading all his reviews now...top class afternoon
Cursory glance at this lad's reviews and he's given Covenant a fairly miserly 48% so it's fair to say he's full of shit.
The merest mention of Metallica these days puts me in a bad mood but MOP is untouchable. And of course, it's all subjective really and there's plenty of classic albums I don't either get or particularly like. But that review is, as said, just silliness.
I remember when the black album came out Metal hammer, possibly Chris Welch, gave it 3/5 he back tracked on that pretty soon and gave it 5. I think 3/5 is pretty accurate, but MOP is a fucking gem.
Quote from: Don Gately on December 02, 2024, 04:57:24 PMI remember when the black album came out Metal hammer, possibly Chris Welch, gave it 3/5 he back tracked on that pretty soon and gave it 5. I think 3/5 is pretty accurate, but MOP is a fucking gem.
Not to side track the thread but what reviewers did people follow back in the day? For me if Jerry Ewing or Dave Reynolds gave something the thumbs up I bought it with no hesitation if I had the dosh.
There was a guy in Metal hammer I liked John Duke I think was his name.
James Sherry was another he liked his punk and hardcore for sure but very good, can't remember what mag
What's with all this talk of metal journalism all of a sudden?
Does giving classic albums 0/100 on Metal Archives qualify as journalism?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 03, 2024, 11:21:20 AMDoes giving classic albums 0/100 on Metal Archives qualify as journalism?
Nope, but it is a bloody good advert for contraception.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 03, 2024, 11:21:20 AMDoes giving classic albums 0/100 on Metal Archives qualify as journalism?
I meant the other thread about websites/blogs, and this is going into a list of MH writers people like. Just curious
Quote from: Anvil on December 03, 2024, 11:25:34 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on December 03, 2024, 11:21:20 AMDoes giving classic albums 0/100 on Metal Archives qualify as journalism?
Nope, but it is a bloody good advert for contraception.
Or chronic virginity, which is kind of the same thing.
Definitely the dumbest thing I've read today, and I work with the public so that takes some doing...
No point arguing with the review, it's obviously clickbait nonsense, but this was in the era of the height of music blog popularity, spearheaded by Pitchfork, so it seems fairly within the context of those times of idiots trying to draw attention to themselves.
Edit: such as this infamous Jet review https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9464-shine-on/ (https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/9464-shine-on/) (though at least that one may have a shred of merit).
Or at the other end of the scale, their infamously pretentious 10/10 Kid A review.
Excerpt: "Kid A sounds like a clouded brain trying to recall an alien abduction. It's cacophonous yet tranquil, experimental yet familiar, foreign yet womb-like, spacious yet visceral, textured yet vaporous, awakening yet dreamlike, infinite yet 48 minutes."
I really don't like Pitchfork, but I'll certainly take my hat off to their glorious Greta Van Fleet review...and yes, I've probably posted this many times before but sure, good craic
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/greta-van-fleet-anthem-of-the-peaceful-army/#:~:text=Greta%20Van%20Fleet%20exist%20to,good%20Led%20Zeppelin%20often%20were.
Quote from: John Kimble on December 03, 2024, 08:35:09 PMI really don't like Pitchfork, but I'll certainly take my hat off to their glorious Greta Van Fleet review...and yes, I've probably posted this many times before but sure, good craic
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/greta-van-fleet-anthem-of-the-peaceful-army/#:~:text=Greta%20Van%20Fleet%20exist%20to,good%20Led%20Zeppelin%20often%20were.
Utterly scathing. Probably don't disagree with that one in fairness.
That and the Jet one are superb. :laugh:
I picked up a Jet album in either Dealz or a charity shop once when it was especially slim pickings. It has never made its way into the cd player. I wonder if the review will change my mind?
Pitchfork had a very bad review of Lateralus back in the day but it was more like a pisstake than a genuine review. Iirc, it was funny at least
Quote from: John Kimble on December 03, 2024, 08:35:09 PMI really don't like Pitchfork, but I'll certainly take my hat off to their glorious Greta Van Fleet review...and yes, I've probably posted this many times before but sure, good craic
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/greta-van-fleet-anthem-of-the-peaceful-army/#:~:text=Greta%20Van%20Fleet%20exist%20to,good%20Led%20Zeppelin%20often%20were.
It's a good one. What an insufferable shower of gobshites. Someone called them Kingdom Come for Urban Outfitters shoppers and they're not wrong. 😂
Quote from: John Kimble on December 03, 2024, 08:35:09 PMI really don't like Pitchfork, but I'll certainly take my hat off to their glorious Greta Van Fleet review...and yes, I've probably posted this many times before but sure, good craic
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/greta-van-fleet-anthem-of-the-peaceful-army/#:~:text=Greta%20Van%20Fleet%20exist%20to,good%20Led%20Zeppelin%20often%20were.
fantastic read
What is Jet
A ride from the 90s.
Very true, still looks well too. It's also a decent Wings song.
Quote from: Thorn on December 05, 2024, 09:50:04 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 05, 2024, 01:34:04 PMA ride from the 90s.
:laugh: how awfully Irish of you
Get 'er home, get 'er bucked
(Edit: do people say that in the south?)
Good Lord no, shocking talk altogether
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 05, 2024, 01:34:04 PMA ride from the 90s.
Ah such fond memories. Had consigned that to the memory bank
Quote from: Mooncat on December 06, 2024, 05:49:18 PMQuote from: Thorn on December 05, 2024, 09:50:04 PMQuote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 05, 2024, 01:34:04 PMA ride from the 90s.
:laugh: how awfully Irish of you
Get 'er home, get 'er bucked
(Edit: do people say that in the south?)
The only people I have ever heard say that where from the countryside and had parents who were closely related.
I recall some NI band had a song with it as either name or chorus or both..? Can't remember which band though. Presumably not those God botherers CT thought were better than Zom :P
Best Metallica albums:
Kill em All
Ride The Lightning
oh sorry, wrong thread.
Having said that, the only good song on MOP (IMO!) is the only one nobody ever mentions which is 'The Thing That Should Not Be'.
Don't know about anywhere else, but it's one of the most mentioned tracks off MoP on this forum :abbath:
Not talking about here :laugh: , elsewhere on the interwebs, it's always the title track or damage inc, battery etc.
This is why I tend to stick to me local :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 06, 2024, 10:13:23 PMI recall some NI band had a song with it as either name or chorus or both..? Can't remember which band though. Presumably not those God botherers CT thought were better than Zom :P
Think that might have been Lesshelp.
And it's a super common phrase in NI. Not sure about the closeness of parental relations though...