In honour of the upcoming gig and the impending demise of this legendary band let's see what our favourite album is.
So one answer, let's go!
I'm going with Beneath the Remains
Definitely Beneath the Remains. Soft spot for Arise and Chaos AD (the latter on account of it being the first one I heard and the era I grew up in.)
If anyone says Morbid Visions, I swear to jaysus...
Same as Caomhain...I completely get how someone who was invested in Sepultura prior to Chaos AD would hate that album, as it was undoubtedly indebted to that groove metal sound of the time, much like Burn My Eyes, Far Beyond Driven, etc. but it was an introductory album for me.
Same here with Chaos AD being the first one, and played it to death, but Arise is the peak for me
Lately though I'm reaching for the Derrick albums if I'm in the mood for Seps
My go to these days is Schizophrenia but that's purely because I've played BTR and Arise to death. I'd have to go with Arise as my favourite.
Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions are unlistenablez anyone who votes for either has AIDScancer of the ears.
I got into them with Beneath The Remains, saw them on that tour in the Top Hat and will always have a special love for that album, but the one I listen to the most over the last couple of decades is... Dante XXI
I acknowledge the mortal blow dealt to my Trve Metal standing, even more so considering I'd probably put Quadra at #2 at the moment 😂
Beneath the Remains. If Arise was as consistent throughout as its first two tracks it could compete. But it's not :) :abbath:
Beneath is my favorite for sure. Followed by arise. I have that Sepultura dvd documentary Chaos with them playing Under siege in Barcelona. They are lighning on that, one of my go to watch gigs.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 22, 2024, 05:08:07 PMDefinitely Beneath the Remains. Soft spot for Arise and Chaos AD (the latter on account of it being the first one I heard and the era I grew up in.)
If anyone says Morbid Visions, I swear to jaysus...
The first wind I got of Sepultura was when you used to cover Propaganda with Slave Zero. I bought Chaos soon after followed by Beneath, Arise and so on.
Quote from: Necro Red on October 22, 2024, 06:01:08 PMBeneath is my favorite for sure. Followed by arise. I have that Sepultura dvd documentary Chaos with them playing Under siege in Barcelona. They are lighning on that, one of my go to watch gigs.
I love that gig, probably the best metal gig video I've ever seen. I was in Glasgow for a Celtic match a few years ago, the lads I went with couldn't get tickets so were about ten pints ahead of me by the time I met them so I went back to the hotel with four cans and watched that. Some night 😅
Chaos AD
Beneath is their pinnacle but I am very partial to Arise.
Beneath The Remains any day of the week.
Chaos AD has aged terribly, very '90s' headbangers Ball dyed hair and baggy clothes sound off it. Truth be told it bored me at the time. We didn't call it 'groove' or Nu metal at the time but that's what it was. Cool if you were 15 at the time but I got in a bit earlier with Beneath and Arise (even some of the latter hints at 'groove' but it isn't the main focus.)
Arise, that opening riff alone.
It's the fist one I heard but BTR couldn't be any closer to it.
Schizophrenia is my favourite. Ripper start to finish.
Schizophrenia hands down
Arise for me, but the one I've been going for the most of late is Schizophrenia. Also the time and place thing can't be forgotten about in the reckoning and if I was trying to think fairly about it, it's probably BTR was the best.
From the Greene stuff it's Against for me, but A-Lex is right up there.
Must try Dante again and see what I missed.
Beneath The Remains for sure. That opening one-two and the segue between the two tracks..killer stuff. Mass Hypnosis, Slaves Of Pain, Sarcastic Existence, Primitive Future...phew, damn I even used to go out and walk those dirty streets specifically to listen to this album. Schizophrenia then Arise after that.
Arise for me since it was my introduction to them. That opening trio of Arise, Dead Embryonic Cells and Desperate Cry is hard to beat. I still have huge time for Beneath... and Chaos....
I'll be more annoyed if I see Roots getting any love more than the very early stuff. Now that was a bag of shit.
I'm also in the minority that kept with them during the Derrick years and both of the last 2 albums have been a serious high level of quality too. Quadra is a serious swansong for them.
Arise was the first thing I ever heard by them,Chaos AD came out not long after I heard that and as a young fella I loved it too.But BTR is definitely my favourite though;I went back to Chaos AD for nostalgic reasons about 10 years ago;it was grand but doubt I'll be putting it on anytime soon. Schizophrenia I kind of let go over my head a bit in the 90s,I had a crap copy on cassette and let that cloud my judgement for years!.Dumb move!.
Morbid visions etc wss just unlistenable for me in my younger days tbh.
Not a mention of Roots interestingly.Quadra is very good
I'm skipping through their albums here and there's a wealth of quality tunes across almost all of their work.
Ostia, Mask, Moloko Mesto, Resistant Parasites, Hungry, Apes Of God, Agony Of Defeat.... I wish I could write their final setlists :laugh:
Max era:Chaos AD still holds the top spot as it was how I got into them properly. There's at least 10 bits of that record that will randomly pop into my brain throughout a week.
Derrick era:Quandra. Production-wise it's savage and a showcase for Andreas & Eloy talents, some fantastic playing on it.
Quote from: Don Gately on October 22, 2024, 08:03:15 PMNot a mention of Roots interestingly.Quadra is very good
If Roots had 25 minutes trimmed off it it'd be a much better album but it (and loads of others)fell victim to the mid 90s "FILL THE FUCKING CD TO THE BRIM LADS!" curse.
Had a few tracks off Arise on there and there's an almost industrial feel to some of the riffs and with that mix as well it has a different thing going for it among the early stage albums. Of course I could say for Schizophrenia that it has a sort of punky feel to it that's missing from the others, or that BTR has a murkier DM thing going than those.
Now I'm thinking is it the case that because of the rather differing identities of those three in particular where they honed different elements of their craft, that they never reached a satisfying mix of all those styles with Max, like a sort of peak Sepultura album let's say, until sometime during the Greene era with maybe the last couple being rather quintessential in terms of the sound they'd forged with a couple of decades of that lineup?
Any takers?
Quote from: Carnage on October 22, 2024, 05:44:18 PMMy go to these days is Schizophrenia but that's purely because I've played BTR and Arise to death. I'd have to go with Arise as my favourite.
Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions are unlistenablez anyone who votes for either has AIDScancer of the ears.
Or "hearing AIDS" as I like to call it.
I'll have to fire my Bestial/Morbid CD in the car tomorrow to check my hearing AIDS 8)
Chaos and Arise for me as they are the ones I grew up on. Beneath also a ripper. I have to pick up Schizophrenia at some stage.
Arise for me, one of the 1st CDs I bought. I have a later 1997 version of it as as well. Had the 12" Sepultura – Under Siege (Regnum Irae)...sold it with a heap of others in the mid 90s following 'a spot of bother'
BTR after that then new Cavalera version of Schizophrenia (heresy probably but I prefer it over the original)
Sold Roots off years ago (was 1 of the 1st metal CDs bought after landing to Australia), never listen to Chaos AD, disaster, no riffs or proper songs but good ould blasting drums
Arise was the first album of theirs I heard so it'll always be my favourite. A lad in school gave me a taped copy and told me they were a death metal band called Arise! Beneath the Remains is a better album, but Arise wins for pure nostalgia.
I find Schizophrenia a bit dull, and haven't listened to it in years. Morbid Visions is great despite what all the falses are saying.
Echoing a few others here, but Arise and Chaos AD are my go to Max albums.
After that I'd go for Dante XXI and maybe the first two Greene albums.
I never kept up after Dante XXI, but have always been meaning to.
Another Arise fanboy here. BtR then... A-Lex. I reach for the Greene stuff way more these days as it is. Kisser is the heart and soul of Sepultura, Max is a washed up has-been and has always rode the coat-tails of those more talented than himself.
I still have a very soft spot for Roots too, "nu" bits be damned, it was heavy-as-shit, particularly for an album that spawned a single that was featured in whatever the Irish top 30 show that went out around 8pm on a Tuesday was called.
The only Greene albums I've heard are A-lex and Dante XXI. They are fine to have on in the background but nothing to get excited about.
I'm sticking with Arise, BTR, Chaos AD then Schizophrenia.
In much the same way I don't hate Chaos AD, I don't have any huge issues with Roots either as I certainly liked it at the time but it's not an album I'd have any inclination to return to. I completely get why fans of a certain generation would hate Roots though, as it's a fairly shameless pandering to nu-metal but it strikes me as the next inevitable 'progression' from Chaos AD. You can see how it moved onto the absolute shambles that was Soulfly which even for me at the time was a step too far. I couldn't get into the likes of Morbid Visions back then as it was just too raw for my tastes, but the older I get, the more I learn for the more 'regressive' styles.
Arise was the first album I heard, a mate made me a tape of it so it's always been my favourite. Beneath The Remains is brilliant too. I never really listened to the earlier stuff at the time but I Like Schizo now. I bought Chaos when it came out, loved it then and still do. Never got into Roots, it's too long, but have listened to it recently in blocks of 4 songs and there's some great stuff on it, Igor in partictular is brilliant on Roots. The live album Under a Pale Grey Sky is well worth checking out, the last show with the original lineup. I checked out after Roots and never bothered listening to Soulfly or Green era stuff until Quadra which is very good. Cavalera Conspiracy stuff I like too. I'm going to see them in November, I was holding out for an original lineup reunion but this will do until it inevitably happens!
Chaos AD was my introduction along with many others here. I couldn't sit through it now. Roots followed and I knew it was shite at the time as a 13 or 14 year old or whatever. God knows what I'd make of it now. Never heard the stuff with the new singer. Once Soulfly popped up I was finished with anything Seps related. Later on I got back into BTR, Arise etc. Oh yeah, now when I think about it I had this 2cd version of Roots with demos, covers, live tracks on cd 2. That was easily my favourite gear of theirs in the 90s and somewhat predicted my return to listening to 80s Seps in more recent times. Naturally enough these days the Morbid Visions era is easily my favourite! If you think that is unlistenable I would doubt your metal credentials entirely!
Quote from: Rust Puppets on October 24, 2024, 09:19:43 AMArise was the first album I heard, a mate made me a tape of it so it's always been my favourite. Beneath The Remains is brilliant too. I never really listened to the earlier stuff at the time but I Like Schizo now. I bought Chaos when it came out, loved it then and still do. Never got into Roots, it's too long, but have listened to it recently in blocks of 4 songs and there's some great stuff on it, Igor in partictular is brilliant on Roots. The live album Under a Pale Grey Sky is well worth checking out, the last show with the original lineup. I checked out after Roots and never bothered listening to Soulfly or Green era stuff until Quadra which is very good. Cavalera Conspiracy stuff I like too. I'm going to see them in November, I was holding out for an original lineup reunion but this will do until it inevitably happens!
That live album is excellent! I forgot to mention it. I had that on heavy rotation when I got it as a young lad.
Pretty sure I had Under a Pale Grey Sky on DVD, in one of those early "ultra jewel" cases that were the size of a typical DVD box, but made of the same brittle plastic as a CD case.
I did find my Dead Can Dance "Toward The Within" DVD recently in the same sort of box, and it's immaculate, so what do I know :laugh:
Schizophrenia
Arise
BTR
... in that order
Chaos AD was the gateway drug, but Beneath the Remains was the smack.
BTR > Bestial Devestation > Schizophrenia > Morbid Visions
Weirdly, I do have a soft spot for a tune or two off Roots, but Chaos AD and Arise I couldn't give a shit about
Have to disagree on Under A Pale Grey Sky, that's one of the worst live albums of all time. Unless you like Roots, because they play practically the whole album live. Biggest problem though is that most of the classic songs are put into medleys or abbreviated, which is just not on. Either play the whole song or don't bother, it's musical cockteasing otherwise and frankly an insult to the fans. See also that daft decision by Metallica in the 90s to only play the first half of the title track of Master of Puppets.
Quote from: Ducky on October 25, 2024, 11:43:45 AMPretty sure I had Under a Pale Grey Sky on DVD, in one of those early "ultra jewel" cases that were the size of a typical DVD box, but made of the same brittle plastic as a CD case.
I did find my Dead Can Dance "Toward The Within" DVD recently in the same sort of box, and it's immaculate, so what do I know :laugh:
Wildly off topic but the version of 'Cantara' on that Dead Can Dance DVD is one of the most incredible choons ever recorded.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 29, 2024, 05:15:46 PMQuote from: Ducky on October 25, 2024, 11:43:45 AMPretty sure I had Under a Pale Grey Sky on DVD, in one of those early "ultra jewel" cases that were the size of a typical DVD box, but made of the same brittle plastic as a CD case.
I did find my Dead Can Dance "Toward The Within" DVD recently in the same sort of box, and it's immaculate, so what do I know :laugh:
Wildly off topic but the version of 'Cantara' on that Dead Can Dance DVD is one of the most incredible choons ever recorded.
My favourite song.
I wish to fuck that they'd remaster that DVD, it's unwatchable on modern TVs.
Quote from: Ducky on October 25, 2024, 11:43:45 AMPretty sure I had Under a Pale Grey Sky on DVD, in one of those early "ultra jewel" cases that were the size of a typical DVD box, but made of the same brittle plastic as a CD case.
Do you mean you had a DVD of the live album from Brixton in 96 or the album came in a DVD style case? That show has never been released on DVD I think you mean the DVD from the 91 Barcelona gig? I had that in one of those hard plastic style DVD cases. The first DVD press of Vulgar Videos that didn't have any chapters also came in a similar style case.
Chaos DVD or something like that? It had the Barcelona gig and material that was released around Chaos AD and Roots, respectively.
Went back and listened to Roots for the first time in probably 20 years. Title track still has the nostalgia factor to keep it enjoyable, the instrumental songs are decent, otherwise it's all fairly shite
Quote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 05:59:24 PMChaos DVD or something like that? It had the Barcelona gig and material that was released around Chaos AD and Roots, respectively.
Was it Third World Chaos? That vhs was knocking around my gaff for years.
Under A Pale Grey Sky was the roots era live album that I think was only on CD
Quote from: Trev on October 29, 2024, 06:34:13 PMWent back and listened to Roots for the first time in probably 20 years. Title track still has the nostalgia factor to keep it enjoyable, the instrumental songs are decent, otherwise it's all fairly shite
Last time I listened to it I was fairly scalded as well. A few good ideas here and there but yeah the tunes just aren't very good even taking the production out of it.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 29, 2024, 06:35:47 PMQuote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 05:59:24 PMChaos DVD or something like that? It had the Barcelona gig and material that was released around Chaos AD and Roots, respectively.
Was it Third World Chaos? That vhs was knocking around my gaff for years.
Under A Pale Grey Sky was the roots era live album that I think was only on CD
I think it was called Chaos DVD when released on DVD and was Under Seige or something when it was released in the early 90's on video.
Under a pale grey sky is the last show the real Sepultura played together.
Quote from: astfgyl on October 29, 2024, 06:37:14 PMQuote from: Trev on October 29, 2024, 06:34:13 PMWent back and listened to Roots for the first time in probably 20 years. Title track still has the nostalgia factor to keep it enjoyable, the instrumental songs are decent, otherwise it's all fairly shite
Last time I listened to it I was fairly scalded as well. A few good ideas here and there but yeah the tunes just aren't very good even taking the production out of it.
I never thought Roots was all that bad honestly except for the title track. I haven't listened to it in years and would not be bothered buying a physical copy after selling the CD years ago but I saw Soulfly with Igor on drums playing it in full twice on 2 different tours in 2017 / 2018 and those shows were great.
Ratamahatamahatamahatamahata
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 29, 2024, 09:29:02 PMRatamahatamahatamahatamahata
Ugh.
Was that Max's attempt at taking off Jon Davis' scatting? It's bad anyway
100%
Beneath The Remains is the business.
And that Under Siege Barcelona gig from 91 is one of the best live recordings ever IMO. Up there with Metallica Seattle 89, Maiden at the Rainbow, Candlemass at Fryshuset etc.
The couple of faster, punkier things on Roots are OK. The rest can fuck right off.
Alex Pereira the current UFC Light Heavyweight champ and probably the biggest MMA star since McGregor uses Itsári from Roots as his entrance music.
https://youtu.be/4k538DdrQkg?t=92
Quote from: The Wretch on October 31, 2024, 11:51:36 AMBeneat
And that Under Siege Barcelona gig from 91 is one of the best live recordings ever IMO.
Totally. I kept borrowing my mates VHS copy of it in school. And it gets put on the "I've drank a hayp of cans at home" YouTube playlist (along with Nailbomb & TON at Dynamo) nowadays 😂
Hands down Sepultura live in Barcelona is the best live cd DVD vhs bluray ever and they're not even my favourite band but when I was a young fella I aspired to as much as turn up to a gig like that some day
Quote from: astfgyl on October 31, 2024, 11:05:56 PMHands down Sepultura live in Barcelona is the best live cd DVD vhs bluray ever and they're not even my favourite band but when I was a young fella I aspired to as much as turn up to a gig like that some day
I can remember a buddies older brother had it on VHS,jaw hit the floor when we watched it for the first time.All I wanted was to be at a show like that!.The only live vhs that I'd put ahead of it would be SOD Live at Budokkan!.
Quote from: Paul keohane on November 01, 2024, 03:52:02 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 31, 2024, 11:05:56 PMHands down Sepultura live in Barcelona is the best live cd DVD vhs bluray ever and they're not even my favourite band but when I was a young fella I aspired to as much as turn up to a gig like that some day
I can remember a buddies older brother had it on VHS,jaw hit the floor when we watched it for the first time.All I wanted was to be at a show like that!.The only live vhs that I'd put ahead of it would be SOD Live at Budokkan!.
Haven't seen the SOD at all but if it's a good as that I may get on it quick smart
BTR for me, followed very closely by Arise. Depends on the mood really.
Thoughts of Chaos AD and Roots made me shudder at this stage. Chaos I could take at the time, but Roots was a deal breaker.
I still haven't gotten around to listening to Derrick era Sepultura, despite meaning to for a while now, but it's probably down to post-traumatic Roots disorder. Quandra and Dante seem to be the ones to check out I guess.
Funny this being bumped today: I've been on BtR and Arise a lot this week :abbath:
Yeah! BTR and Arise, for sure.
I still have time for Chaos AD, but there's a few on it that are skipped.
The DG albums are kinda hit'n'miss.
They kept trying to mix things up, in fairness. But some are good, some really good and some simply forgettable.
Beneath The Remains for me. Nothing skippable on that one for me. Then Arise, then Chaos AD