Thought there was already a thread but must have been the old forum.Watched it over the weekend.,Chuck ,sound bloke,a promoters dream!
He was hard work, for sure, but... Human... yeah.
Quote from: Paul keohane on January 29, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
Thought there was already a thread but must have been the old forum.Watched it over the weekend.,Chuck ,sound bloke,a promoters dream!
haha indeed he was! enjoyable watch though
Just watched it this morning, it was good to see they didn't try to brush over the fact he was an awkward bastard given how much his family was involved in it
No Masvidal though??
Watched this online recently thought it was fairly good, Chuck sure did have flair for self sabotage. Anyone have the dvd is there any outtakes/extra scenes that were cut?
Quote from: Trev on January 29, 2019, 02:50:04 PM
No Masvidal though??
I thought that was odd as he wrote the liner notes for the Human ressiue on Relapse (the definitve version of the album) and he did the DTA tours so he was still somewhat involved with them up until recently.
I have the DVD and, while there isn't much of note in terms of cut scenes, there is a full gig from the Human tour which is just a fucking joy.
'I HAVE NO IDEA WHY EVEN TOOK PART IN THIS PILE OF CRAP, ALL THE FACTS AND TRUTHS I TALKED ABOUT WERE TAKEN OUT, HIDING THE TRUTH UNTIL THE END. CHEERS & PEACE'
A quote from Rick Rozz about the doc on Facebook the other night.
There was some cool people in the doc,Jim Morrris spoke really well,as did Digeorgio and Terry Butler.
Benediction the cunts,they brought Death to an end by making the boys get up on stage in Germany! 😅
Has he deigned to divulge what those facts and truths are somewhere though?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 29, 2019, 04:09:40 PM
Has he deigned to divulge what those facts and truths are somewhere though?
He didnt elaborate any further on his FB page (tht i could see anyway)
Watched it, meh. Saw a lot of talk on Facebook around the time of its release saying key figures were omitted from the documentary due to conflict with Chuck in the past, mainly Masvidal, Murphy and Kam Lee.
Chris Reifert came across as really cool in it as did Reinert and DiGiorgio.
But Chuck did come across as a total flake in it
I would have liked to see a few more talking heads in it, still a very enjoyable watch though!
Having mulled it over, I thought it was shit. The truth of the matter is the back story behind the man/band simply isn't all that exciting beyond him being difficult. I didn't really feel there was any insight into the music.
Does anyone really watch these things looking for insight into the music though?
All i want to see is a load of bitching and back stabbing from these kinda things,far more interesting.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on January 31, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Having mulled it over, I thought it was shit. The truth of the matter is the back story behind the man/band simply isn't all that exciting beyond him being difficult. I didn't really feel there was any insight into the music.
My missus found it fascinating and she knows nothing about the band. I think that's because of this weird tension between the undeniable talent he had for the game, on the one hand, and the seeming discomfort and maybe even disdain he had for playing that game (i.e. being an on the road metal "god"). On a human level ("Eh? Where's me washboard?"), I think it's a great documentary.
As for the music, there wasn't too much insight into where the early sound came from, where the vocal style was born from, etc. It would have been nice to get more on that. But there was quite a lot about the later evolutions of the music, so for people who simply think Death got worse as they evolved, I guess that insight isn't so interesting...?
Quote from: Pentagrimes on January 31, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Having mulled it over, I thought it was shit. The truth of the matter is the back story behind the man/band simply isn't all that exciting beyond him being difficult. I didn't really feel there was any insight into the music.
Good point, I enjoyed it a lot as I watched it, full of cool snippets of info. Thinking back though, if they focused in on the formative years more, and the really got into the musical progression over the years it would have been far better. Kind of got the idea he wasn't big on touring and was super precious about his vision pretty early in the film.
Fucking gas that Benediction accidentally shit canned the whole thing in the end :laugh:
The pivotal moment was largely overlooked, in terms of musical progression. The bonus tracks on the Relapse reissue of Human included a couple of demos with Butler and Andrews and are very much the missing link. They're Human songs but played in the Leprosy/Spiritual style and it makes it abundantly clear that the real progression came from Reinert, Masvidal and DiGiorgio. Chuck's songwriting changed after Human, but the songs on Human are very definitely basic and in the vein of the early material. What those three added to the songs is revelatory and Death changed after that. Highlighting that takes the shine off Chuck a little, so it's not entirely surprising they left it out. He followed their lead, fantastically, it must be said, but I'd argue that much of the greatness of the subsequent music was finding great musicians who added more than is obvious.
Hmm, maybe I was adding my own narrative, but I thought them talking about Reinert and Masvidal's "jazz" influence was there.
There's influence and then there's dominance and, in the case of the mighty Human, it isthe non-Death guys who made this album what it is and, by doing so, changed the direction of Chuck's writing for the rest of his life.
I'm looking forward to this.
Here's something for the meantime though:
https://youtu.be/Q52yJ4zVB3s
Quote from: Juggz on February 02, 2019, 07:35:44 PM
There's influence and then there's dominance and, in the case of the mighty Human, it isthe non-Death guys who made this album what it is and, by doing so, changed the direction of Chuck's writing for the rest of his life.
Yes, but he was able to assimilate that influence and turn it into something of his own on the later albums. Everyone learns things from somewhere; Masvidal and Reinert had their influences, did their thing with it, and in turn influenced (strongly influenced, sure) Chuck. Had their input been "dominant", that would imply that Chuck would be incapable of taking that influence and building on it, yet that's exactly what happened.
Quote from: Juggz on February 01, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
The pivotal moment was largely overlooked, in terms of musical progression. The bonus tracks on the Relapse reissue of Human included a couple of demos with Butler and Andrews and are very much the missing link. They're Human songs but played in the Leprosy/Spiritual style and it makes it abundantly clear that the real progression came from Reinert, Masvidal and DiGiorgio. Chuck's songwriting changed after Human, but the songs on Human are very definitely basic and in the vein of the early material. What those three added to the songs is revelatory and Death changed after that. Highlighting that takes the shine off Chuck a little, so it's not entirely surprising they left it out. He followed their lead, fantastically, it must be said, but I'd argue that much of the greatness of the subsequent music was finding great musicians who added more than is obvious.
Are these the demos that are actually on the pimped out edition of Spiritual Healing?
No, the third CD of the reissue of Human put out by Relapse - See Through Dreams, Together As One and Suicide Machine played by Chuck, Bill and Terry. Structurally, the songs are the same as they are on the album and it highlights how basic the songs really are while, at the same time, highlighting the effect of the performances on the album itself in changing the perception of the songs.
Quote from: Juggz on February 05, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
No, the third CD of the reissue of Human put out by Relapse - See Through Dreams, Together As One and Suicide Machine played by Chuck, Bill and Terry. Structurally, the songs are the same as they are on the album and it highlights how basic the songs really are while, at the same time, highlighting the effect of the performances on the album itself in changing the perception of the songs.
Yeah, listened to these for the first time after your initial post and the difference in performances is shocking.
Loved it!!! Are there any other good documentaries on the 90s death metal scene?
https://youtu.be/aGPot3rP53o
Stuck on that CC documentary thinking I'd last an hour. Watched the whole thing. I really enjoyed hearing about the early Buffalo scene.
Been listening to these interviews with many of the key figures over the years, quality stuff, culled from a podcast called Into The Combine, I think. Well worth a listen if you want to get a bit of the background to a lot of Chuck/Death evolution. Fair play to the lad for getting these dudes to talk about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtSAdd0wqfk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESsJ6fUl8bU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu3PVefayq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnL9kOp1JaE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XkKmpwURlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbGl6Vr2f08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5og5aRVpwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfUWj278mQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22nBTbgPGU
Ooh, nice one. Just listened to the Andy LaRocque one, very cool little interview :abbath:
Cool that so many of ye knew chuck personally to make judgements on his character.
U wana banana?
This certainly beats the oul Slayer xmas jumper in the merch game
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266760878809
I always find the prices for "celebrity" guitars pretty obscene, but that's about what I'd expect for someone of Chuck's profile.
I mean, it's 11 grand for an Erik Rutan signature Ironbird from BC Rich, so if you think about it in those terms, that's practically a bargain.
It's had 60 bids so far, it'll be interesting to see where it ends up.
Chuck's nephew making bank off his name again, charming.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on April 10, 2024, 07:31:42 PMIt's had 60 bids so far, it'll be interesting to see where it ends up.
Now you trying to value the CD collection is making sense! :laugh:
:laugh:
Should've bought more copies of the Relapse 3 CD remasters :laugh:
Quote from: Bürggermeister on April 10, 2024, 07:31:42 PMIt's had 60 bids so far, it'll be interesting to see where it ends up.
I'm sure yer man from Broken Hope will have a go of it. he does have a load of Hanneman guitars.
Chuck's leather jacket was sold a few years back on ebay for about 60-80k,
That guitar is cool. Mad the way Chinese imitations of the Chuck esq BC Rich stealth have flooded ebay
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$31,300.00, the number of the biiiiiid!