Thoughts?
Cash grab. Zero interest in standing on a pitch or in a field to see them play (I did that 28 years ago) or being gouged for the privilege but I would like some new music. I don't think that'll happen as the brothers both have their own things going on now.
Fair play to them. Love the first couple of albums and the Masterplan comp. Saw them in Lansdowne Road some time in the early 2000s or possibly late 90s, have never been to a stadium gig since, never will again. I thank them for saving me a small fortune.
Doesn't warrant it's own thread here. A distinctly average band that obviously had an impact on the back of the two fairly big albums in the 90's, then released nothing of consequence afterwards. Again, not my type of music but in terms of brit-pop/indie, there were any amount of far better, more interesting bands...Blur, Pulp, Suede, Stone Roses etc etc
Agreed. Right place right time and a bit of bollocks about them, but nothing else really. That drummer on the first record stank too.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 29, 2024, 09:28:51 PMAgreed. Right place right time and a bit of bollocks about them, but nothing else really. That drummer on the first record stank too.
Tony Carroll, if memory serves. Possibly the dumbest fuck in music. Think they said "you have to up your game, lad", he said "nah" and he got the boot.
He got the cheque to leave, set for life. Not as dumb as you think.
McCarroll gets jip and, yeah, he's not a great drummer by any stretch, but there's nothing on the first album which someone else could've done better for those songs. White made shite of those songs when he played them live by overplaying.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 29, 2024, 09:37:55 PMMcCarroll gets jip and, yeah, he's not a great drummer by any stretch, but there's nothing on the first album which someone else could've done better for those songs. White made shite of those songs when he played them live by overplaying.
Heard McCarroll got 250k with no royalties from then on in the exit. As regards the drumming on the first album, any top drummer who can play in the pocket properly would have made those songs that little bit better.
The wouldn't have been so basic, which is the charm of what he did, just listen to the way every drummer afterwards played Supersonic. There's genius in simplicity sometimes.
I don't know a whole lot about Oasis beyond the main '90s stuff.
There must be a bookie offering odds on this not making it to the stage/completing the tour.
Is their hatred of each other as vehement as the press suggests? Rumours abound that Noel is doing this because his divorce is costing him a fortune - but elsewhere there are reports that Noel stone cold refused a reunion a few years back when Liam (allegedly) approached his elder brother and asked to do a series of shows to pay for his divorce at the time.
I assume that they'll have to rehearse this to the nth degree - though shows in the 1990s were catastrophic and they didn't seem to care - presumably they'll have to talk to each other.
Who else is in Oasis? Is it going to be Liam's backing band and Noel?
The only thing that I give a shit about is that the Manics are rumored to be the support band.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on August 30, 2024, 11:12:25 AMWho else is in Oasis? Is it going to be Liam's backing band and Noel?
Other way round for these shows, Noel's backing band + Liam. A shame, the last Oasis line up had some talent, including Andy Bell from Ride but they've reformed since and are doing well.
Edit: I've just read that Bonehead is involved, which would suggest a focus on the earlier albums. Makes sense, it'll be the 30th anniversary of ...Morning Glory when they're touring.
God what a terrible band, so mediocre musically wise and absolute fucking knob heads. Oasis for me symbolised the worst of the 90s along with those other fuckwits Limp Bizkit.
I never knew Oasis had a Lars. I'll have to listen to something off the first alum and see if the drumming stands out as being poor against the fucking sucky music and dogshit singing.
Quote from: Don Gately on August 30, 2024, 11:58:58 AMGod what a terrible band, so mediocre musically wise and absolute fucking knob heads. Oasis for me symbolised the worst of the 90s along with those other fuckwits Limp Bizkit.
Limp Bizkit are decent. Oasis only have the one good album the one with Gary glitter on it
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 30, 2024, 12:01:49 PMI never knew Oasis had a Lars. I'll have to listen to something off the first alum and see if the drumming stands out as being poor against the fucking sucky music and dogshit singing.
The Morning Glory album is a great contrast - Lars plays on "Some Might Say", while Alan White (who's easily the best musician in the band in that era) plays on the rest of the record.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 29, 2024, 09:36:11 PMHe got the cheque to leave, set for life. Not as dumb as you think.
Just reading about it now, holy shit yeah he cleaned up.
More baffling that he got his first drumkit at the age of six - what the fuck was he doing with it, because he certainly wasn't practicing on it :laugh:
Quote from: StoutAndAle on August 30, 2024, 11:12:25 AMIs their hatred of each other as vehement as the press suggests?
Apparently they squashed the beef over a phonecall. Dont know if they have even been in the same room yet!
Not sure what I was expecting to discover by revisiting Supersonic. It's still a poor, over-long Beatles song. I suppose I did discover that even I'm a good enough drummer to play the whole thing though!
Did you have a gin and tonic?
Well if any of ye sound cunts know of tickets floating around gimme a holla ya?? ??? :(
Reading lots of comments from people who caved and bought either a €545 platinum standing ticket or a €415 'in demand standing ticket' this morning.
Fair play to the Gallagher brothers.
Quote from: Pain Medicine on August 31, 2024, 09:19:10 AMReading lots of comments from people who caved and bought either a €545 platinum standing ticket or a €415 'in demand standing ticket' this morning.
Fair play to the Gallagher brothers.
I'm sure Oasis have a set fee. The real beneficiary of this crazy pricing is Ticketmaster.
Well yeah the promotor is making a buck but I'm sure the offer to convince them to bury the hatchet and do the tour must have been a nine figure fee.
Quote from: Pain Medicine on August 31, 2024, 10:09:53 AMWell yeah the promotor is making a buck but I'm sure the offer to convince them to bury the hatchet and do the tour must have been a nine figure fee.
I think they're gonna make €15m for the 2 Irish dates so ya, a nice little sweetener to just tolerate each other for a while.
Quote from: Pain Medicine on August 31, 2024, 09:19:10 AMReading lots of comments from people who caved and bought either a €545 platinum standing ticket or a €415 'in demand standing ticket' this morning.
Fair play to the Gallagher brothers.
As much as I despise the two Gallagher gmips this isn't them it's on ticketmaster.
I saw a post by MCD this morning saying tickets cannot be resold for higher than face value and anyone found to be doing so will have the tickets cancelled by the promoter. Making touting illegal in Ireland has literally given ticketmaster the monopoly on the market.
Ah no fuck off. It's as much the artists fault your Bonos Oasis's and coldplays have the power to stop it. Look at Robert smith and the cure putting a cap on their prices.
I'm not blaming Oasis or Ticketmaster either. If people are willing to pay €516 to sit on a bucket seat in the Cusack stand for the same 2 hour gig that was €50 last time they played in Dublin then press on. All parties involved are consenting adults :laugh:
Artists could obviously get together and refuse to let this happen. I'm alright Jack all round. Who got behind Pearl Jam when they tried to side with fans? Exactly.
That's it they need to get together but in reality that will never happen. The only ones I know of who have ever spoken out on it are Rickey Gervais and Pearl Jam. Sure weren't Metallica involved in some scandal with TM a few years ago that had them milking as much cash as possible from fans for shows?
Not that it's an excuse but I doubt most are even aware of what goes on never mind would even know what a ticket costs to go and see them it would be all left to agents and promoters. When you get to the big level I imagine you have a set fee and once you are guaranteed that you aren't interested in anything else. It's not as if the majority of artists ever go out of their way to help fans out as it is.
As long as the shows sell and ticketmaster keep the monopoly nothing is going to change. A week from now this will all be forgotten and won't come up again until this happens to the next big show that hit's Ireland. It is only the likes of people like us that attend shows regularly who even know this shit goes on. Media are reporting that it's bots that bought up all the tickets and the average joe on the street has no reason to even question that.
Seems that Dublin was/is the only one with dynamic pricing. Didn't try to get tickets or anything but that's sickening.
What a circus...who the fuck would be bothered with it...
Quote from: open face surgery on August 31, 2024, 12:48:01 PMSeems that Dublin was/is the only one with dynamic pricing. Didn't try to get tickets or anything but that's sickening.
There's 'in demand' standing for Wembley going for £355 on Ticketmaster
Ah, my mistake so.
I know a chap who got gold circle tickets and I reckon he could send himself on a two week all inclusive foreign holiday with what's been offered to him already for them. Puts it in perspective really, doesn't it?
If I'm choosing a gig over a holiday it would have to be something absolutely unbelievable and oasis really aren't
As long as people are prepared to pay stupid money people will charge stupid prices...
All that would have to be done really is for everyone to boycott one gig over the pricing and that would work but you'll always have the I'm alright jack crowd who will pay it
Yeah, so many cunts just... roll with it.
Without coming across like a complete music snob (and I'm not for the most part, there's plenty of stuff I'm partial to which isn't great), it seems the more fairweather people are with their taste in music, the more they are willing to pay. I was listening to some fluff piece on the radio on way to work the other morning, talking to fans who were on their way to Coldplay. The levels of fawning were off the charts... we're talking about a band here that have absolutely zero credibility. I have a few bands that I'm absolutely obsessed with, but there's a line I'd draw with regards to paying to see them live. Genuinely, the only band I'd pay silly money to see live at this stage would be Faith No More, if only for the fact I've never seen them. But would I pay over the odds to see them? Probably not.
Quote from: John Kimble on August 31, 2024, 04:53:08 PMWithout coming across like a complete music snob (and I'm not for the most part, there's plenty of stuff I'm partial to which isn't great), it seems the more fairweather people are with their taste in music, the more they are willing to pay. I was listening to some fluff piece on the radio on way to work the other morning, talking to fans who were on their way to Coldplay. The levels of fawning were off the charts... we're talking about a band here that have absolutely zero credibility. I have a few bands that I'm absolutely obsessed with, but there's a line I'd draw with regards to paying to see them live. Genuinely, the only band I'd pay silly money to see live at this stage would be Faith No More, if only for the fact I've never seen them. But would I pay over the odds to see them? Probably not.
I think you're 100% on the money there.
When FnM played years ago my brother paid €200 for a ticket. I thought he was mad. With hindsight I'm incredibly jealous and would pay that to see them, if push came to shove.
I'd pay the 200 for fnm no bother having seen them in the olympia. Best gig I was at
I saw FNM twice and it was €30 one time and $50 another. They are unreal but no way would I pay 200 quid to see fucking anyone that is dense behaviour
Quote from: ochoill on August 31, 2024, 05:59:23 PMI saw FNM twice and it was €30 one time and $50 another. They are unreal but no way would I pay 200 quid to see fucking anyone that is dense behaviour
Does than include a ticket to Germany?
Quote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2024, 06:04:24 PMQuote from: ochoill on August 31, 2024, 05:59:23 PMI saw FNM twice and it was €30 one time and $50 another. They are unreal but no way would I pay 200 quid to see fucking anyone that is dense behaviour
Does than include a ticket to Germany?
Nope but getting a holiday out of going to a gig is worth it alone sure, we went for a week and including gig, flights, hostel, it was about €150 each at the time. Done it loads of times but never just for a gig - always made a holiday out of it to make it worth the expense.
Edit: just checked something there, Saw Devin Townsend in a Roman Amphitheatre in Bulgaria, doing Ocean Machine in full and a "Best Of" set, with an orchestra. Booked a week's holidays around it. Total including gig, flights, hotel, for two of us: €460. Even funnier, Ryanair flight home was delayed over a certain limit and we were given €800 compensation :laugh:
Quote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2024, 05:55:12 PMI'd pay the 200 for fnm no bother having seen them in the olympia. Best gig I was at
Yeah, just to be clear...I think €200 is ok for a 'bucket list' gig. Anything in the €300 plus territory is retarded, esp if it's for something like fucking Oasis.
It's madness when you think about it. I had a stage in my early twenties when I was obsessed, and I mean OBSESSED with Swans, and I never thought I'd ever get to see them live. Lo and behold they played Cork, Cyprus Avenue I think, and I paid an absolute pittance.
Sometimes people get a little like train spotting/stamp collecting when it comes to seeing bands. It's maybe not so much wanting to see a band perform live but just to score them off a list for bragging rights.
To be fair, the only band left on my list if I ever had much of a bucket list would be Helloween but fuck it, I wouldn't pay more than you're standard limelight gig price. And that's if I can get a babysitter too.
Again, I'm on a pure nostalgia buzz here but it's mad to think that some of us (unfortunate enough to be that old!!) got to see the likes of,say, Fugazi for £7 back in the day. Crazy and, as I said, privileged too. Just cannot fathom what someone would get out of paying maybe €400 to see the likes of Oasis, a band that were bang average in their heyday, nevermind now when they are well past it. Horses for courses and all that.
It'd be great if it were possible to trade bucket list concert experiences. There's at least a hundred bands I wish I'd seen more than Helloween!
On reflection though, this sounds like the plot of a Black Mirror episode and somehow I end up stuck inside Kai Hensen's mind forever :-X
Wacken 2006 was like an all-encompassing bucket list for me in that I got to see Carnivore, Celtic Frost and Emperor. Not suggesting that I got to see any of those bands at their peak, even though I've yet to witness anything live that could even remotely touch that Celtic Frost performance.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on August 30, 2024, 11:12:25 AMThe only thing that I give a shit about is that the Manics are rumored to be the support band.
Its Fontaines Dublin Cunts apparently.
Not Sweet Savage?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on August 31, 2024, 08:30:51 PMNot Sweet Savage?
😂😂😂😂
Superskin waiting by the phone for the call from mcd 😂
Quote from: John Kimble on August 31, 2024, 07:56:02 PMI've yet to witness anything live that could even remotely touch that Celtic Frost performance.
Saw them only once myself, at Graspop in 2007 I think. A real all-enveloping experience from start to finish there too. One of quite a few that festival actually. €125 the three day ticket :laugh: :abbath:
Quote from: John Kimble on August 31, 2024, 06:34:39 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2024, 05:55:12 PMI'd pay the 200 for fnm no bother having seen them in the olympia. Best gig I was at
Yeah, just to be clear...I think €200 is ok for a 'bucket list' gig. Anything in the €300 plus territory is retarded, esp if it's for something like fucking Oasis.
It's madness when you think about it. I had a stage in my early twenties when I was obsessed, and I mean OBSESSED with Swans, and I never thought I'd ever get to see them live. Lo and behold they played Cork, Cyprus Avenue I think, and I paid an absolute pittance.
Saw swans myself in the academy for about 30 quid and it was absolutely unbelievable. So fuckin heavy without even being heavy in the traditional sense. Would go again in a heartbeat for 3 times the price
Back on topic, kind of: saw this link posted as a Community Note on a tweet blaming ticketmaster for the dynamic pricing:
https://business.ticketmaster.com/press-release/official-statement/
Interesting that it says:
QuoteTicketmaster does not determine pricing. Promoters and artist representatives set pricing strategy and price range parameters on all tickets, including fixed and market-based price points.
The promoter is most often Live Nation, right? And they're both part of Live Nation Entertainment. So is ticketmaster disclaiming responsibility more sleight of hand than concrete?
Friendly reminder Noel is happy to rip others off. And he's a cunt about it too (that wee clip of him at the end).
Quote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2024, 10:56:13 PMQuote from: John Kimble on August 31, 2024, 06:34:39 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 31, 2024, 05:55:12 PMI'd pay the 200 for fnm no bother having seen them in the olympia. Best gig I was at
Yeah, just to be clear...I think €200 is ok for a 'bucket list' gig. Anything in the €300 plus territory is retarded, esp if it's for something like fucking Oasis.
It's madness when you think about it. I had a stage in my early twenties when I was obsessed, and I mean OBSESSED with Swans, and I never thought I'd ever get to see them live. Lo and behold they played Cork, Cyprus Avenue I think, and I paid an absolute pittance.
Saw swans myself in the academy for about 30 quid and it was absolutely unbelievable. So fuckin heavy without even being heavy in the traditional sense. Would go again in a heartbeat for 3 times the price
This. That Swans gig last year (this time last year I think?) was such a gamechanger that I'm done with gigs. It'll never be topped. In hindsight, I'd have paid €100 for it no bother, but anyway.
The thing about Tickemaster and dynamic pricing - we all give out about it but the fault doesn't lie with Ticketmaster at all. The bands sign off on the fluctuating prices, not the agents. A former Aiken/MCD promoter is a good friend/drinking buddy of mine and he's been telling me this for years. Don't blame the ticket seller, blame the band - they're 100% responsible for the ticket prices, not the agents.
I actually remember saying to myself I could nearly pack it in myself after that Swans gig. It changed me so it did
Quote from: Carnage on September 01, 2024, 01:07:03 AMThe thing about Tickemaster and dynamic pricing - we all give out about it but the fault doesn't lie with Ticketmaster at all. The bands sign off on the fluctuating prices, not the agents. A former Aiken/MCD promoter is a good friend/drinking buddy of mine and he's been telling me this for years. Don't blame the ticket seller, blame the band - they're 100% responsible for the ticket prices, not the agents.
This would back that up. (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/17/the-cures-robert-smith-convinces-ticketmaster-to-refund-unduly-high-fees-after-fan-anger)
As for Oasis, it's not a big surprise there's such a demand for tickets:
- they get 27 million listeners a month on Spotify
- a look a recent footage of both Noel and Liam gigs show that teenagers and ones in their early 20's belt out the Oasis numbers like they're current chart hits
- the arguments and fights make them seem exciting to ones who grew up in an era of Coldplay
- 90's nostalgia is all the rage these days
Quote from: Carnage on September 01, 2024, 01:07:03 AMThe thing about Tickemaster and dynamic pricing - we all give out about it but the fault doesn't lie with Ticketmaster at all. The bands sign off on the fluctuating prices, not the agents. A former Aiken/MCD promoter is a good friend/drinking buddy of mine and he's been telling me this for years. Don't blame the ticket seller, blame the band - they're 100% responsible for the ticket prices, not the agents.
I wouldn't be surprised if Live Nation automatically opt musicians in for dynamic pricing. In that case, sure they can still opt out, but suggesting Live Nation Entertainment (because speaking about "ticketmaster" is already a bit smoke and mirrors at this point) have no fault is a stretch: they introduced the entire idea, so we can be fairly sure they profit off it to an extent that it is better for them to have as many artists as possible use it. In short, we can lay blame at artists' feet without taking it off LNE.
Live Nation owns Ticketmaster.
Aye, that's what I mean: saying "ticketmaster this and that" obscures the fact that Live Nation and ticketmaster are two parts of the same parent company: Live Nation Entertainment.
Some places reporting that two more dates will be announced and others saying it could be three. Doesn't Croke Park have a limit of 5 gigs per year because of how it impacts the residents? It will be a shame if all 5 dates go to this shite.
An MEP is calling for an investigation into Ticketmaster. Some chance of that amounting to anything.
Originally I thought it was 3 per year after the Garth Brooks fiasco, but AC/DC, Bruce and 4 Coldplay is 6 this year so not sure what the deal is anymore.
Anyone who pays €400 for a ticket to see Oasis has a want in them.
I think someone said it's a new management company in Croke Park or something like that and they don't care.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on September 02, 2024, 10:09:15 AMAnyone who pays €400 for a ticket to see Oasis has a want in them.
A want for a toe up the hole.
Crazy money for that indeed. Most people going won't even be familiar with 3/4 of the discography. Mass hypnosis again
It's an event. It's not a gig. It's like lads buying tickets to fucking table tennis at the Olympics. It'll attract people who never attend these things because they want to say they had the experience and they'd never consider watching if it was happening in their back garden. It's a temple for event junkies to worship at, take their selifies and live their best lives at, nothing more. Fuck it, no harm done. It's not going to affect anyone playing at the Academy or Fibbers.
Some Might Pay
Fees Get Rich Quick
PlunderAll
*gets coat*
Quote from: Bürggermeister on September 02, 2024, 06:26:02 PMIt's an event. It's not a gig. It's like lads buying tickets to fucking table tennis at the Olympics. It'll attract people who never attend these things because they want to say they had the experience and they'd never consider watching if it was happening in their back garden. It's a temple for event junkies to worship at, take their selifies and live their best lives at, nothing more. Fuck it, no harm done. It's not going to affect anyone playing at the Academy or Fibbers.
I was saying to a colleague that I see it as the equivalent of the cunts going out buying all the bogroll at the start of covid. They need to feel like they are a part of something. Fucking ANYTHING!!! The same muppets who queued for hours to get drive through McDonald's because it was going to close for two weeks. High on need, low on imagination.
I suppose we are lucky, we're in a metal community, we belong to something however obscure that may be. It has served me well for the past 36 years anyway.
Did anyone get a ticket at face value or did they all jump up three fold?
The amount of money made by just one of these gigs is crazy.
Looks like the UK will be investigating Ticketmaster over this, and calls for the Irish government to do the same
Which will be something good to come out of this, if anything actually happens. But hotels and airlines have been doing the same thing for years and no one ever gave a shite
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2024, 01:39:43 AMI was saying to a colleague that I see it as the equivalent of the cunts going out buying all the bogroll at the start of covid.
And we can blame Oasis for that and all: sure didn't they write the anthem for not letting anybody get in your way even if it's too much bogroll for you to take!
Quote from: Trev on September 03, 2024, 07:52:04 AMLooks like the UK will be investigating Ticketmaster over this, and calls for the Irish government to do the same
Which will be something good to come out of this, if anything actually happens. But hotels and airlines have been doing the same thing for years and no one ever gave a shite
It's okay: Starmer, like Harris, is literally a communist so, as per my previous suggestion, Ticketmaster will be nationalized before we know it. Punters of the world unite!
Ticketmarxist, it has a nice ring to it.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on September 03, 2024, 07:42:30 AMDid anyone get a ticket at face value or did they all jump up three fold?
I know one person that got two standing tickets for the normal price.
Quote from: Trev on September 03, 2024, 07:52:04 AMLooks like the UK will be investigating Ticketmaster over this, and calls for the Irish government to do the same
Which will be something good to come out of this, if anything actually happens. But hotels and airlines have been doing the same thing for years and no one ever gave a shite
Nothing will come out of it I am sure the brown envelopes are all going into the right hands. It's been widely know for years that they held back tickets to flip on other sites and nobody did a thing about it. The airline / hotel situation I don't really see as the same because at least in those cases you somewhat have other options when it comes to a concert it's that date or nothing.
Still the best thing that they're responsible for, albeit indirectly.
Weirdly, that sketch feels older to me than Oasis themselves :laugh:
Comedy gold... makes me feel very old! The number of times people walked into class rooms saying "How's this dead town been..." Or "Teacher's teach ya how to be stupid" :laugh:
Haha, exactly! I guess it's that I probably know it better than I know any given Oasis tune :laugh: Me and my sister used to act it out incessantly.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 03, 2024, 07:52:21 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on September 03, 2024, 01:39:43 AMI was saying to a colleague that I see it as the equivalent of the cunts going out buying all the bogroll at the start of covid.
And we can blame Oasis for that and all: sure didn't they write the anthem for not letting anybody get in your way even if it's too much bogroll for you to take!
Bogroll with it.
Cigarettes and Boggyroll
QuoteTicketmaster may have breached consumer laws by failing to warn Oasis fans that the price of tickets might soar while they were queueing, experts have said, as it emerged that the company plans to apply "dynamic pricing" more widely.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/sep/02/failure-to-warn-oasis-fans-of-dynamic-pricing-may-be-consumer-law-breach-say-experts?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
If that's the only avenue they go down then it basically amounts to nothing going forward. "Price may vary according to availability" stuck on all promotional material, all in order.
I had no love for Oasis or Britpop at the time it was all popular, but I wouldn't mind seeing them just because it feels nostalgic. Can't even imagine how terrible the crowd would be at this though. Peak weekend warrior drunken assholes. How many people will pay $400 for their ticket and then watch the gig through their phone. Fuck that.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-41468836.html
Seen a few of these articles pop up recently, kind of a backlash against the backlash if you will. I could be misreading it but the gist appears to be, criticisms re the ticket price are missing the point, and people are more than justified in paying over the odds in the name of nostalgia.
Absolutely fuck that. Anyone is perfectly entitled to pay whatever the fuck they want to see a bunch of has-beens perform well beyond their sell-by date. That's not the point. If you want to part with hundreds, maybe thousands, expect to be called out on it. It's bullshit. Yer wan even goes as far as to say she's not even a die-hard fan. That's fine. If you want to go see them, good on ya. Just stop trying to justify it.
It comes back to the bogroll argument. Paying over the odds is all part of the experience of being a part of something for numbskulls who were never a part of anything. They never bought into a subculture when they were young and now they are middle aged, have money, missed the boat first time around and are atoning for their squareness. If they show that they, OMG, queued for loik three days and spent seventy grand on a ticket, it'll be like they really were actually fans of the band, or part of the movement. Getting in on other people's nostalgia... it's absurd whatever way you look at it.
Pretty wide generalisation though. I'm sure there are plenty looking for tickets who were into them first time round too but I get your point.
Coldplay sold out 4 nights in Croke park, that is mind boggling. Two very very ordinary bands and I'm being generous.
Ah yeah, no doubt there are thousands of fans as well. That goes without saying. But you know the glittery wellies brigade who JOST HAWV TO GEW BECAWS IT'S LOIK, A PROPER EVENT YAW?? will think nothing of spending way over the odds because they haven't a fucking breeze.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 05, 2024, 11:00:44 AMAh yeah, no doubt there are thousands of fans as well. That goes without saying. But you know the glittery wellies brigade who JOST HAWV TO GEW BECAWS IT'S LOIK, A PROPER EVENT YAW?? will think nothing of spending way over the odds because they haven't a fucking breeze.
Or worse - the corporate ticket set.
Totes! Moiself, Sneachta, Timpiste and Gluisteain are all going. Fuinneoige's old man got us sorted because he drinks with Jonty Heffernan in Gibney's out in, like, Mollowhoide? Do you you even know Jonty? Anyway - we all have like lawnyords and stuff to wear. I'm basically going for the free booze? Got myself a Cloth And Cut porka jacket for, like, €900 to wear to the gig - probably leave it in Fade Street after, lolzers!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 05, 2024, 01:25:38 AMIt comes back to the bogroll argument. Paying over the odds is all part of the experience of being a part of something for numbskulls who were never a part of anything. They never bought into a subculture when they were young and now they are middle aged, have money, missed the boat first time around and are atoning for their squareness. If they show that they, OMG, queued for loik three days and spent seventy grand on a ticket, it'll be like they really were actually fans of the band, or part of the movement. Getting in on other people's nostalgia... it's absurd whatever way you look at it.
I experienced a version of this when I was younger. Went to Electric Picnic 2008 with a bunch of friends who would have barely anything more than a cursory interest in music. Had a great time and all that, but they spent a lot of it scratching their heads wondering why I was off doing my own thing watching specific acts perform and not just hanging out doing the festival thing. It was mind-blowing to them that if I'm spending €240 on a ticket for a music festival then I am, in fact, gonna spend some of that weekend watching specific music acts.
So if we sat down today, most of the heads I went with would say "I went to Electric Picnic 2008, couldn't tell you who I saw live, and I mostly went for the craic", and I'd say "when I went to Eletric Picnic 2008 and I went to see Sigur Ros, Kila, Goldfrapp, Grace Jones, Grinderman, The Breeders, Sinead O'Connor, Elbow. George Clinton and My Bloody Valentine specifically sold me on the idea of going".
More music events should have a zone specifically for having the craic. Like the one fart curated at every Day of Darkness.
QuoteLike the one fart curated at every Day of Darkness.
Jesus. Can think of nothing worse.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 05, 2024, 12:53:36 PMMore music events should have a zone specifically for having the craic. Like the one fart curated at every Day of Darkness.
Day of darkness was mighty craic to be fair and Fart is an absolute gas man
I went to see Bruce Springsteen last year in the RDS, always liked a bit of Bruce, we were a little late getting in so the place is fullish, down the back with all the event junkies waiting for Dancing in the dark etc. Could hardly hear the music with all the gabbing. We moved well up as things do inevitably loosen up, really enjoyed the gig. Met a mate after who stayed at the back chatting, he didn't rate it apart from the last hour. :'(
Reminds me of seeing AC/DC at Punchestown in 2009 - was hollering along to Dog Eat Dog and some event junkie gombeen beside me asks how do I know the words to such an obscure song...
Quote from: Ducky on September 05, 2024, 02:49:21 PMReminds me of seeing AC/DC at Punchestown in 2009 - was hollering along to Dog Eat Dog and some event junkie gombeen beside me asks how do I know the words to such an obscure song...
Fuck there was a bad atmosphere with that gig. Nothing to do with the band who were great but not a patch on the gig two months earlier at the Arena.
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on September 05, 2024, 05:59:40 PMQuote from: Ducky on September 05, 2024, 02:49:21 PMReminds me of seeing AC/DC at Punchestown in 2009 - was hollering along to Dog Eat Dog and some event junkie gombeen beside me asks how do I know the words to such an obscure song...
Fuck there was a bad atmosphere with that gig. Nothing to do with the band who were great but not a patch on the gig two months earlier at the Arena.
Ah that's a shitter to hear but there was a bit of an odd buzz about the gig alright. I had a ticket for the Arena gig, but let it go to someone (for face value), as I got a free ticket for the Punchestown gig as I was tasked by my sister to keep my brother-in-law company :laugh:
I'd imagine that a lot of the "true" fans would've got tickets for the Arena gig and Punchestown had far more of the event junkies. I know a lad who went to it who couldn't tell you who Aengus Young was if he did a striptease and sat on his lap, but of course he went for the pints and "bants".
Yeah the band were really good that day, but the whole organisation was such a shitshow, and a weird vibe to the crowd for sure
Remember trying to get on one of the scarce buses back, people getting fucked off waiting and started throwing the barricades about. Absolutely mental crushes then to get on a bus when one eventually arrived. There was a poor woman beside me with her kid who was absolutely terrified
Never bothered going to any of the big gigs since that one
Quote from: Ducky on September 05, 2024, 02:49:21 PMReminds me of seeing AC/DC at Punchestown in 2009 - was hollering along to Dog Eat Dog and some event junkie gombeen beside me asks how do I know the words to such an obscure song...
You know, when I was complaining earlier about the kind of weekend warrior arseholes that would be going to Oasis, The AC/DC Punchestown gig was the exact gig I had in mind. Reminded me almost of an Oxegen crowd. Dangerous and stabby. Lots of bad-tempered drunks there just to be the centre of drama, who maybe knew like 2 songs from the whole set. People for whom the band is a footnote, it's just an excuse to go to a major event and make a spectacle of yourself.
That Arena gig sold out almost right away. I was gutted to miss it. I had to work, but had a mate who said he'd get tix for us both. I told him he'd for sure need to be at Ticketmaster at 9 or they'd sell out. He's like yeah no problem. I call him at a break in work at like 10:30 and ask if he got them and he's like, ahh I'm just getting up now, gonna have some breakfast and then head in. Useless bastard lol, they were long gone by then.
Remember having to walk for ages due to the traffic and then not finding our bus for ages after the gig... we were missing quite a few on the way home.
Yeah, our bus had a lot less on the way back than it did going down. I do remember leading a small group of strangers who had recognised me from the bus searching the car park like a band of survivors in a zombie apocalypse. I was fairly certain of the rough area the bus said it was going to be, but a few of them left the group to find their own way back.
2 minutes later we found our bus. The others who left the group...we never seen again.
Quote from: Trev on September 05, 2024, 06:24:27 PMYeah the band were really good that day, but the whole organisation was such a shitshow, and a weird vibe to the crowd for sure
Remember trying to get on one of the scarce buses back, people getting fucked off waiting and started throwing the barricades about. Absolutely mental crushes then to get on a bus when one eventually arrived. There was a poor woman beside me with her kid who was absolutely terrified
Never bothered going to any of the big gigs since that one
Think I was on about this here somewhere before.
Myself and a few other lads had no choice but to throw over the barricades and let the crowd onto the road there man.
We all went to the gate where Dublin bus was supposed to be picking us up and the busses were all going past full. I don't know who was on them or where they were loading them.
people kept coming and coming in from the back, nobody was leaving from the front and there was a serious crush going on, women getting taken off their feet and everything. there was a serious panic developing.
There was only one poor bastard of a foreign crowd control engineer there who was on the radio trying to get help but was being ignored.
It was a total clusterfuck and all Dublin busses fault.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13820863/Liam-Gallagher-fans-smug-reunion-tour-Oasis-X-rant-amid-dynamic-pricing-row.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13820863/Liam-Gallagher-fans-smug-reunion-tour-Oasis-X-rant-amid-dynamic-pricing-row.html)
He's 57??? Holy shit :o
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 06, 2024, 12:10:38 PMHe's 57??? Holy shit :o
Daily Mail doing their "research" again. Noel is 57 - I think Liam is closer to 50.
Also - has Liam started on the pharmaceuticals in earnest to prepare for next year?
I would have put him early 50s, yeah, not closer to 60.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on September 05, 2024, 10:05:52 PMQuote from: Trev on September 05, 2024, 06:24:27 PMYeah the band were really good that day, but the whole organisation was such a shitshow, and a weird vibe to the crowd for sure
Remember trying to get on one of the scarce buses back, people getting fucked off waiting and started throwing the barricades about. Absolutely mental crushes then to get on a bus when one eventually arrived. There was a poor woman beside me with her kid who was absolutely terrified
Never bothered going to any of the big gigs since that one
Think I was on about this here somewhere before.
Myself and a few other lads had no choice but to throw over the barricades and let the crowd onto the road there man.
We all went to the gate where Dublin bus was supposed to be picking us up and the busses were all going past full. I don't know who was on them or where they were loading them.
people kept coming and coming in from the back, nobody was leaving from the front and there was a serious crush going on, women getting taken off their feet and everything. there was a serious panic developing.
There was only one poor bastard of a foreign crowd control engineer there who was on the radio trying to get help but was being ignored.
It was a total clusterfuck and all Dublin busses fault.
This sounds like such a shit show, wasn't aware of it at the time as myself and the brother-in-law drove. Though we did spend over two hours just trying to get out of the carpark, so there was that.
https://youtu.be/u--se25_px8?si=GMYyl_VV8ey2-Hxo
An interesting video that came up on youtube the other day which goes into the details of how Ticketmaster managed to get itself into the position it is in today.
That was perfect lunchtime viewing, nice one.
Channel looks interesting too, will be checking out some other vids.
Yeah seen that the other day, good (depressing) watch.
Also further enhances how little respect I have for Pearl Jam these days.
Seems Liam is on board with most people's opinions about Fontaines DC here. To be fair, "like a shit EMF" is an amazing put down of their new look.
https://www.stereogum.com/2280053/liam-gallagher-and-fontaines-d-c-trade-insults-amid-speculation-about-oasis-reunion-tour-openers/news/ (https://www.stereogum.com/2280053/liam-gallagher-and-fontaines-d-c-trade-insults-amid-speculation-about-oasis-reunion-tour-openers/news/)
Liam is a tosser, Fontaines are a great band. They're right about Oasis , fucking scum.
Bastards the lot of them, although Oasis have released one decent album unlike Fontaines who are pure muck. Their singer is even more of an insufferable cunt than Liam though, so fair play to him for that.
Quote from: Maggot Colony on September 18, 2024, 10:33:09 AMBastards the lot of them, although Oasis have released one decent album unlike Fontaines who are pure muck. Their singer is even more of an insufferable cunt than Liam though, so fair play to him for that.
All of this, apart from the bit about Oasis having released a decent album.
Fair enough. :laugh: I should have said half decent.
Well the first show went off without them killing each other........