Like the riffs thread, but for drums. Fills, licks, intros, whatever, let's be having them :abbath:
I think Pierce Williams of Ænigmatum is one of the best drummers to emerge in recent years. Was pretty hyped to see he had joined Skeletal Remains too.
Only discovered these lads recently, the lad on drums (Theo Gendron) is a beast; can blast his brains out, has some of the fastest and tightest footwork I've ever heard, and can also do creative and cool fills.
Reinert. There is drumming before Human and drumming after Human and they are different things. Every bit of the footage of the guy is a lesson. I realise you're looking for the full songs but, since there's footage, some stuff I always dug.
Flattening of Emotions, the way he switches to triplets on the bass drums near the end of each solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwIDKmCzeE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FO7CLtlPyY
He played the 1 with his left foot when playing double kick which allowed him to do stuff with the hi-hat while playing double bass, first heard here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go64Oauc8-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3WnLrWxnEU
And then taken to ridiculous levels here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slN9nktDOAw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMybE62gwmY
First song that came to mind:
Playthrough (embedding disabled at source):
https://youtu.be/K60MElawxOw
South Of Heaven !
Charlie Benante at his finest
I love the bass drumming on this. He could have just hammered all the way through it like mosts mongos but it's a cool pattern and really has impact when he uses it. Ventor is deadly, both rough as fuck early Ventor and his later polished self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wihwj_oTE8c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nj88Vjt1YQ
I love this one from Gar Samuelson. His transition from such brilliant swing to how he brings in the double kick always impresses me.
I remember being captivated by the drumming on this when I saw the music video on Headbanger's Ball. Sandoval is a fucking beast.
https://youtu.be/YL1cJ_wyDfw?si=Lku-f2PX_AlNGOIV
Neurosis- Belief. I've always loved this drum beat. Simple, clever and perfect.
https://youtu.be/p-qATvjHh4U?si=ttr_BzBijLd9e3kL
Skepticism- Pouring. This could also go in the riffs thread. Unreal riff, pure power and epicness and elevated even higher by the inclusion of double kicks.
Modern drumming ability has overshone it a little but, back in the day, the bass drum bit was the most amazing fucking thing ever
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnRZhLRv6eM
Sleep Dragonaut. In the pocket 101
https://youtu.be/qMIS2BaDilY?si=gQsoeYpoLm1iUA5T
Quote from: Bürggermeister on June 29, 2024, 04:46:57 AMModern drumming ability has overshone it a little but, back in the day, the bass drum bit was the most amazing fucking thing ever
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnRZhLRv6eM
I don't think modern technical drumming outshines peak Lombardo. Ben listening to South of Heaven a bit recently for the first time in decades and his playing is spectacular. It's clean, super heavy and full of character. The production is pristine too.
I'd rather watch Lombardo beat seven shades of shit out of his kit than pretty much any modern drummer. His approach, pushing it right to the edge of chaos while still keeping things ticking along steadily, that sense of unpredictability and intensity, and a momentum and energy that you just don't get with more straight precision type players (especially now with live clicks and triggers being so prevalent) really gave Slayer an edge that, for all of his ability, they never had with Bostaph.
Dave has the perfect balance of technical ability and the just-fucking-go-for-it punk attitude, which is surely the essence of thrash musicianship.
And like everything on Reign In Blood, his drum parts are so fucking memorable.
The modern tech dudes sitting there with headphones on, almost entirely still while they do incredible things behind the kit... it jars. I want to see a drummer fucking kill it. Lombardo was a beast. Even watching Lars, despite his limitations as a technician, is a hundred times more entertaining than watching a YouTube shredder.
Quote from: Count Magnus on June 28, 2024, 09:14:00 AMI remember being captivated by the drumming on this when I saw the music video on Headbanger's Ball. Sandoval is a fucking beast.
First Morbid Angel track I ever heard. Instant obsession with them :laugh: :abbath:
All the rototom madness on Pleasure to Kill is the first thing that came to mind
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 29, 2024, 10:44:41 AMThe modern tech dudes sitting there with headphones on, almost entirely still while they do incredible things behind the kit... it jars. I want to see a drummer fucking kill it. Lombardo was a beast. Even watching Lars, despite his limitations as a technician, is a hundred times more entertaining than watching a YouTube shredder.
I was watching the Seattle 89 show again lately. What he lacked in ability he definitely made up for in enthusiasm. Which has been my criticism of him in recent years. Nobody is looking for him to be George Kollias, but Christ man, stop riding the snare, stick on a couple of more toms and have a rattle around the kit.
That show is monumental. Even if it's overdubbed to shit, I don't care. It's unreal.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on June 29, 2024, 07:57:22 AMQuote from: Bürggermeister on June 29, 2024, 04:46:57 AMModern drumming ability has overshone it a little but, back in the day, the bass drum bit was the most amazing fucking thing ever
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnRZhLRv6eM
I don't think modern technical drumming outshines peak Lombardo. Ben listening to South of Heaven a bit recently for the first time in decades and his playing is spectacular. It's clean, super heavy and full of character. The production is pristine too.
I agree here. Lombardo was one of the first of the more "extreme" drummers I've ever heard, and that set my stall out in terms of wants; ability backed up by taste and character. A lot of modern drummers lack the latter two things for sure.
Gene Hoglan is interesting as he seems to have an on/off switch. His playing with say Death and Dark Angel occupy that same space as Lombardo, but he can also do the "I'm a human click track" thing and play with much less feeling like he does with Fear Factory and SYL.
Quote from: Ducky on June 29, 2024, 11:14:19 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on June 29, 2024, 07:57:22 AMQuote from: Bürggermeister on June 29, 2024, 04:46:57 AMModern drumming ability has overshone it a little but, back in the day, the bass drum bit was the most amazing fucking thing ever
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnRZhLRv6eM
I don't think modern technical drumming outshines peak Lombardo. Ben listening to South of Heaven a bit recently for the first time in decades and his playing is spectacular. It's clean, super heavy and full of character. The production is pristine too.
I agree here. Lombardo was one of the first of the more "extreme" drummers I've ever heard, and that set my stall out in terms of wants; ability backed up by taste and character. A lot of modern drummers lack the latter two things for sure. Think I heard Danny Herrera for the first time shortly afterwards, and his playing was cool but very much lacking in Lombardo's zest.
Gene Hoglan is interesting as he seems to have an on/off switch. His playing with say Death and Dark Angel occupy that same space as Lombardo, but he can also do the "I'm a human click track" thing and play with much less feeling like he does with Fear Factory and SYL.
Some of my faves here...not too into the overly produced sound of David Diepold etc even though he's amazing...so I really like the guys that mix craziness and accuracy with a natural production:
Totally natural sound real jazzy
Dobber Beverly - seems to add more strokes into every fill or roll, amazingly smooth
John Engman...
Quote from: Mithrandir on June 29, 2024, 10:56:05 AMAll the rototom madness on Pleasure to Kill is the first thing that came to mind
What ever awards the Germans give out to the arts nowadays, surely it's time for a lifetime achievement to the majestic Roto Toms for services to music!
The bit starting about two minutes in where Hoglan starts in half-time and then bumps it up for the second half, it transforms the riff completely. Lovely work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlcApCaBvJM
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 29, 2024, 10:53:48 AMQuote from: Count Magnus on June 28, 2024, 09:14:00 AMI remember being captivated by the drumming on this when I saw the music video on Headbanger's Ball. Sandoval is a fucking beast.
First Morbid Angel track I ever heard. Instant obsession with them :laugh: :abbath:
Same here. This and Hypocrisy's 'Pleasure of Molestation' music video were revelatory. They sounded unhinged especially in comparison with shite like The Almighty and Pro-Pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4_Ommfvv0
Very surprised to see no mention of Darkside from Mgla here - in a world of clinical high speed blasters he makes things much more
interesting. His skills aren't necessarily immediately apparent on listening (for a non drummer anyway) - it's when you watch him you see the magic. Have a look particularly from 6:30 on:
But hey, I like the blasters as much as the next guy too! David Diepold is inhuman:
But of the young Turks I reckon my #1 is Simon Schilling:
JP from Clutch is the man! The fact he does it all while his facial expressions look like a freshly caught carp makes him all the more entertaining.
Quote from: The Ancient Ones on July 02, 2024, 03:47:36 PMVery surprised to see no mention of Darkside from Mgla here - in a world of clinical high speed blasters he makes things much more interesting. His skills aren't necessarily immediately apparent on listening (for a non drummer anyway) - it's when you watch him you see the magic. Have a look particularly from 6:30 on:
The intro to Exercises in Futility II is the absolute business.
Yeah yeah Lars is shite etc... He was class in his day.
Chamberlin. Fucking genius, makes it look so easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50AitbL4II?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA0sNVueB78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEBOQWf4zJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwmUMySSNQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do3tSdZucyA
His playing on the last bit of The Everlasting Gaze is fucking amazing (as is everything he's ever played on really).
Probably the best drummer in rock music (after Neil Peart, maybe).
Brilliant drummer. Always was impressed with the drumming on Jellybelly
Almost forgot this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SPmKBjltfkg
in perhaps my most predictable post ever, I'm throwing in a certain Hank Amarillo of a young Darkthrone here, cos his playing on "Goatlord" is particularly class. Technical without being technical, expressive, inventive, and the lad had swing for days. Can't think of a lot of drummers of that era of death metal with that sense of style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmAJk-wKby8
listen to about 0:50 to 1:05, how he builds with the bass drums. Absolutely class.
Ya chamberlin is a fucking awesome drummer. His feel and the beats he comes up with are second to none.
I was watching this last night and yeah the album is only OK as it goes (well the first 4 tracks are great) but it's hard to argue with the quality of the drumming. Was going in to the random metal thread and hadn't even seen this one so that's a nice surprise.
Edit: as evidenced from Portnoy's general output, having good drumming does not equal great tunes. I can't stand Dream Theater
I love the first DT albums (plus the Change of Seasons EP) - Portnoy's reputation is what gave me the impetus to check them out to begin with. And sure enough, there's fuck all reason to stay around after those albums as there's chops, but no tunes.
Honestly, same thing for Tool with 10,000 Days and Fear Inoculum.
When talking about Lars in terms of energy back in the day, this chap also had that but with some power and cool creativity. That snare roll at 0:41 ???
Quote from: Ducky on July 18, 2024, 10:22:53 PMI love the first DT albums (plus the Change of Seasons EP) - Portnoy's reputation is what gave me the impetus to check them out to begin with. And sure enough, there's fuck all reason to stay around after those albums as there's chops, but no tunes.
Honestly, same thing for Tool with 10,000 Days and Fear Inoculum.
I think the first 4 tracks on Fear Inoculum are better than the whole 10,000 Days album. I'm just at the end of Invincible there now and fair enough the album has a bad rep but those four are actually very good tunes, perhaps slightly let down by the less aggressive vocal approach but still I think 10,000 days only really has the first three tunes to prop it up and this has four. Coincidentally it was always the vocals that gave me the rot with Dream Theater as well even though some of it isn't bad without the awful singing
Quote from: astfgyl on July 18, 2024, 10:45:24 PMQuote from: Ducky on July 18, 2024, 10:22:53 PMI love the first DT albums (plus the Change of Seasons EP) - Portnoy's reputation is what gave me the impetus to check them out to begin with. And sure enough, there's fuck all reason to stay around after those albums as there's chops, but no tunes.
Honestly, same thing for Tool with 10,000 Days and Fear Inoculum.
I think the first 4 tracks on Fear Inoculum are better than the whole 10,000 Days album. I'm just at the end of Invincible there now and fair enough the album has a bad rep but those four are actually very good tunes, perhaps slightly let down by the less aggressive vocal approach but still I think 10,000 days only really has the first three tunes to prop it up and this has four. Coincidentally it was always the vocals that gave me the rot with Dream Theater as well even though some of it isn't bad without the awful singing
Yeah agree entirely about the first four tracks. FI kinda felt like Lateralus Part II; familiar but just not as good.
Yeah vocals for DT were grand in the early days, but the dude got a dose of food poisoning, puked his brains out, and ruptured his vocal chords. So he went form "guess the vocals are tolerable" to "sweet titty-fucking Christ above, how is this man employed as a vocalist" overnight.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on July 17, 2024, 06:21:50 PMin perhaps my most predictable post ever, I'm throwing in a certain Hank Amarillo of a young Darkthrone here, cos his playing on "Goatlord" is particularly class. Technical without being technical, expressive, inventive, and the lad had swing for days. Can't think of a lot of drummers of that era of death metal with that sense of style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmAJk-wKby8
listen to about 0:50 to 1:05, how he builds with the bass drums. Absolutely class.
Yeah drumming is excellent on that album.
A good album also.
10000 days and Fear Inoculum are great if you have insomnia.
Quote from: Ollkiller on July 25, 2024, 05:53:23 PM10000 days and Fear Inoculum are great if you have insomnia.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
A band I never need to hear again.
Quote from: The Wretch on July 25, 2024, 06:40:57 PMQuote from: Ollkiller on July 25, 2024, 05:53:23 PM10000 days and Fear Inoculum are great if you have insomnia.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
A band I never need to hear again.
Hah. Now I love lateralus mind you. Just after that is a pale comparison of that work of genius. Carey is a phenomenal drummer.
Everything up to Lateralus is great, but those last two are poor, particularly Fear Inoculum. The gap even between those two is a wide one.
Not a musician myself so perhaps struggling to put into words what makes this guy so great, but big props to John Stanier for laying down some solid stuff for Helmet. Big fan. I used to just put the outro to Milquetoast on repeat
https://youtu.be/vL9hyOKtlVE?si=YoWHMAISrCHX39bl