First album 30th Anniversary Shows
20 Sept Kilkenny Set Theatre
21 Sept Cork Cypress Avenue
28th Sept Belfast Limelight
12th Oct Academy Dublin
Seen them plenty so won't be bothering but could be interesting for some.
Fu#k me. Guess it is 30 years. Dry riser what a tune and album, played it to death back then, discovered them after I recorded late night metal show on itv called "noisy mothers" and said video was on it. :laugh:
If am bored I might....at least it won't be the usual set list they've been playing for 20 years
Quote from: Hellyeah on April 10, 2024, 08:03:17 PMFu#k me. Guess it is 30 years. Dry riser what a tune and album, played it to death back then, discovered them after I recorded late night metal show on itv called "noisy mothers" and said video was on it. :laugh:
I remember staying over in a friend's house back then and we saw Noisy Mothers listed. We thought, ooh, maybe some tits in this! Turned or to be a metal show so we still won 😂
Funny seeing this now as the missus bought tickets for the 30th Troublegum anniversary show yesterday and the first time I saw Therapy? was in the SFX with Kerbdog supporting. Cool album indeed. I didn't like the pop stuff that came after though.
On The Turn album was criminally overlooked, I remember playing it to death when it was first released, must fire it up someday to see how it stands up..
Both Records are whopper for different reasons.
They've gotten some mileage out of the reunion shows though having only two albums. Pretty sure I've heard them do most of the first record over the years.
Both albums were released on vinyl I think two years back, worth picking up as they were going for stupid money
Stick to the first album and it's b-sides for these shows. Some class tracks they left off the album.
'Same With The Hammer' is one of my favourite Kerbdog tracks.
Then in a couple more years do the same for "On The Turn".
Ah, the homegrown hero's. Could do with recording a new album to be fair now. Still, the material they have is quality.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 11, 2024, 01:41:04 AMQuote from: Hellyeah on April 10, 2024, 08:03:17 PMFu#k me. Guess it is 30 years. Dry riser what a tune and album, played it to death back then, discovered them after I recorded late night metal show on itv called "noisy mothers" and said video was on it. :laugh:
I remember staying over in a friend's house back then and we saw Noisy Mothers listed. We thought, ooh, maybe some tits in this! Turned or to be a metal show so we still won 😂
Funny seeing this now as the missus bought tickets for the 30th Troublegum anniversary show yesterday and the first time I saw Therapy? was in the SFX with Kerbdog supporting. Cool album indeed. I didn't like the pop stuff that came after though.
Haha, the things we done back then to discover new tunes or see a bit of tit. Work and a bit of planning went into it. :laugh:
It was a full time occupation.
Jaysus I'll go to this in kilkenny if I get me hands on a ticket. Still have a soft spot for kerbdog
Surely they could play both albums in full...?
Would you believe I was only after ringing a lad about this and he said the very same ie even if they play the full first album they'll have plenty of time to play all the next one as well and we'd barely get the 2 hours out of it.
Because they'll have no reason in 2 years time to put gigs on for the On The Turn 30th anniversary show if they play both albums.
Ticket got for kilkenny anyway. Hopefully be a good night out. Never went to anything in kilkenny before
I love On The Turn so much. I remember the singles coming out at the time, was it 1996? Mad that it never really did anything much, was it an image thing? Like not dirty enough, too middle-class sounding for people who liked Dinosaur Jr etc.
Actually anyone into On The Turn might like Veruca Salt's Eight Arms to Hold You - also great, same type of thing, melodic but weirdly heavy, same year as well I think
Didn't their record company shaft them? Also I think On The Turn just vanished into the black hole between grunge and nu metal - heavy rock was not in a great place then.
There's some good stuff why it fell apart from Cormacs perspective in these interviews
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0YmOU1JTQVsk59z5jbVj0E?si=58xJaffoSnaKyhAw1yyJZA&utm_source=whatsapp (bout 25 mins in)
https://youtu.be/5LbRUZoOfOU
https://fanningsessions.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/kerbdog/
Mad how they must have really thought they'd made it and then back down to earth fairly harshly.
Still one of my favourite bands to go see, nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
I'll be grabbing a ticket for this.
If you read the credits on On The Turn, you'll see their management was sanctuary music and Rod Smallwood.
How'd that go wrong?
On the turn was delivered around 4 years too late. Nobody was interested by then.
Still love On The Turn. Picked up a fresh CD of it a few months back after the old one getting ruined over the years and was thinking along the lines of the last post there, that it was just a bit late with the shift towards nu metal in the mainstream rock magazines and radio. Ah well
I just fired on On the Turn. I only knew the couple of hits from it back in the 90s but wasn't interested. The song Sally is great- instantly memorable. Funny you all say they missed the boat by a few years for that style but they sound incredibly similar to Foo Fighters on that song and look how huge FF became. No reason they couldn't have done well too other than the roll of the dice.
I think Wilt sounded more like Foo Fighters than Kerbdog did, but they also ultimately went nowhere.
Yeah haven't really thought much about Kerbdog sounding like foo fighters but it's very apparent with Wilt
QuoteI just fired on On the Turn. I only knew the couple of hits from it back in the 90s but wasn't interested. The song Sally is great- instantly memorable. Funny you all say they missed the boat by a few years for that style but they sound incredibly similar to Foo Fighters on that song and look how huge FF became. No reason they couldn't have done well too other than the roll of the dice.
It took the Foo Fighters a couple of years to gain momentum, Dave Grohl and the fact they were signed to Sony meant they had slightly better odds than a few lads from Kilkenny. I mean you're right, the stuff isn't that different but a collapsing record label and shifting trends meant Kerbdog were goosed.
I am surprised I know 4 songs so far. Sally, JJ Song, Mexican Wave and Pledge. Did they all get released as singles? Maybe I had a couple of songs recorded from the Metal Show...
Totally forgot about Wilt. Zero interest in them back then. Must give them a spin now and see.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 13, 2024, 12:58:59 PMI just fired on On the Turn. I only knew the couple of hits from it back in the 90s but wasn't interested. The song Sally is great- instantly memorable. Funny you all say they missed the boat by a few years for that style but they sound incredibly similar to Foo Fighters on that song and look how huge FF became. No reason they couldn't have done well too other than the roll of the dice.
Aye frontman previously being the drummer for one of the most famous and talked about bands of all time certainly rolled the dice in their favour compared to Kerbdog and I think the first 2 Foo Fighters albums are decent but I don't think they'd have sold much better than Kerbdog at all otherwise
Ah yeah, of course FF were in a better position, but my point was that Kerbdog couldn't have been too late to the party considering one of the biggest rock bands in the world happen to sound very like them and started around the same time as this album came out. With a bit of luck on their side, better management, better label, more money or whatever their style could have worked in their favour.
Aye that's fair too looking at it that way. They really gave up the ghost soon after it went south too. I wonder then could an oul third album have done anything to turn things around?
Looked up a few pics of that little theatre in kilkenny there as well. Looks like a neat little spot. Here's hoping it doesn't sound like shit
I saw them on their farewell tour (one of them anyway) supported by an unknown band called Snow Patrol. How times have changed.
Quotetoo. I wonder then could an oul third album have done anything to turn things around?
No! Yiz are really underestimating the climate back then and the Foo Fighters comparison is a bad one. Musically speaking good comparison but as to whether Kerbdog could've found success, not a hope and a third record would've done nothing to further their cause. There were tonnes of other bands in similar musical territory that had time called on them. Even Therapy?, who had found mainstream success died a bit of a death after A&M collapsed.
I think people are forgetting that Kerbdog weren't doing many numbers at headline shows here or anywhere else even at their peak when some of those on the turn singles got into the top 40. I remember seeing them at whelans etc and the place was less then half full. They even joked about it at their farewell gig in the mean fiddler that it was the first time they managed to sell out a show in Ireland.
And just to note, they haemorrhaged money recording On The Turn £500,000 punts, details in the liner notes on the reissue. Playing to 150 or so in Whelans a 6-7 years into your professional career wasn't gonna clear that bill.
My point was that without the Nirvana connection that Foo Fighters would have been in a similar position.
Didn't know that obscene amount of money had been thrown at those recording sessions though. That's nuts.
Produced by Gggarth, he was en vogue at the time.
Fuck ye anyway, with all this Kerbdog talk I've had Sally playing on a loop in my head all morning.
QuoteDidn't know that obscene amount of money had been thrown at those recording sessions though. That's nuts.
Sign of the times, I doubt there's many bands in similar position now that would receive that kind of financial input.
Some of the things listed on the inlay that contributed to the cost were 4 months rent in LA, GGGarths fee, An Australian expert in guitar tuning... mad shit altogether.
I remember an interview where they said the video for Sally cost hundreds of thousands to do....nuts when you think about it, as someone said they never pulled huge numbers.
Yeah sounds like the pitfall of many irish bands, republic of loose spent like 80k or something on their last record which doesn't sound any better or worse then previous.
I do be constantly surprised by Theraphy? success, i think they stink but like they still get good slots, play Germany a lot, think the Germans just have a thing for Irish.
Quotei think they stink but like they still get good slots, play Germany a lot, think the Germans just have a thing for Irish
Baffling statement.
Where to start. Therapy worked their bollocks off in the early days between the EP's and Nurse, then had breakthrough commercial success with Troublegum so on the back of that alone they've retained a loyal core fanbase. In fact they've been able to continue to tour on their own terms based on what they achieved during their first decade.
Maybe I've picked you up wrong but "Germans Have a thing for the Irish" and "They Still get good slots" sounds like it's unwarranted or undeserved? Their studio output does fluctuate in quality but festivals aside they tend to headline.. i.e they're playing to their own fanbase that they built from ground up... it's not something that was just handed to them. The festival slots will always be given to them because of the success of Troublegum and to a lesser extent Infernal Love, and they're great live in that setting.
Edit. Just scanned their tourdates too, they're all over the place. UK, Europe, Australia, USA?
Double Edit Just Copped you're the Strangers With Guns Guy, surprised to hear you think the band are rubbish I would've thought your own band were influenced by them?
All of the above, massive therapy fan. :)
For a band that's been on the go for 35-odd years, I've never heard of them playing a bad show.* And one bad album out of 16 (Shameless) is a pretty damn good batting average. Fantastic band, wish there were more like them.
*There was one a few years ago where someone in the audience took ill and died. Obviously that was the end of the gig and it was hardly their fault, but they came back later in the tour and played the date again.
I'd dispute the album thing there - a few clangers in the repertoire Shameless, Never Apologise, then the likes of One Cure, Crooked Timber, Brief Crack are just plain dull.
I do commend them for doing whatever they want though and I've seen them loads of times, the only bad show was the crooked timber tour where they played the whole feckin album, it tested everyone's patience.
I've yet to pick up that Jaaw album but the bits I heard were way more to my taste than any post-Nurse album. It's different sounding while tapping into that early era in certain ways.
One Cure Fits All and their latest one are the biggest duds, in my opinion. Just pure boring and utterly unmemorable songs.
Still love the band, though.
My first big obsession band back in my formative years. Had to collect everything I could get my hands on.
I was the same, to be fair to them they were very prolific and the ep's were always worth picking up due to the amount of new material, bsides etc on them. Summer of Hate from the Teethgrinder single for example! Killer track
Back on topic, been revisiting kerbdog albums after all this time. Tickets bought for Dublin. Would be raging if I missed out.
Albums are still class imo, holding up well giving there age.
Shame they never took the finger out and made another album. It's only been 30 years ha ha ha
Weren't Wilt basically Kerbdog?
I feel the Kerbdog stuff is the result of Cormac working with Billy Dalton and then Wilt is more Cormac on his own? Think the billy guy was into heavier stuff
They recorded one song a while back but it was written about 30 years ago. Decent tune though
I hear kilkenny is well sold out. And yeah wilt are like a weaker Kerbdog, which doesn't work so well for me
Quote from: astfgyl on May 09, 2024, 01:42:12 PMThey recorded one song a while back but it was written about 30 years ago. Decent tune though
I hear kilkenny is well sold out. And yeah wilt are like a weaker Kerbdog, which doesn't work so well for me
I liked a couple of the tracks,but yeah no Kerbdog. A pint of Kerbdog 0.0
Quote from: pete on May 09, 2024, 01:33:06 PMI feel the Kerbdog stuff is the result of Cormac working with Billy Dalton and then Wilt is more Cormac on his own? Think the billy guy was into heavier stuff
Never realized that they had a second guitarist in their earlier days! There ya go!
Quote from: pete on May 09, 2024, 01:48:23 PMA pint of Kerbdog 0.0
That sounds fair fuckin watery :laugh:
Might throw on an album and see if it sickens my hole or not
Oim surprised they haven't done something new what with all the reunions and tours they've done.
Electricity doesn't count, cause it was originally an On The Turn cast off.
Wow! Wilt is some blast from the past for me. Bought Bastinado back in the day. Remember really liking it. Few songs like Radio Disco probably still stand up.
Quote from: jobrok1 on May 09, 2024, 09:17:44 PMOim surprised they haven't done something new what with all the reunions and tours they've done.
Electricity doesn't count, cause it was originally an On The Turn cast off.
Tbh it really does seem ridiculous it's not like they're estranged or anything. Fair about Electricity as well but it's a cool tune all the same.
Yknow what I've been listening to is all the b sides they used to have up on the official site for download. Maybe it's still there or ye all have it but I can throw it on a drive link for anyone who likes. There's some great stuff on there
They are on this playlist. Great stuff alright
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcHaxryWj1sSd1FxJz1ka4cso0NWRViFj&si=aKE9EAo-A1CHrBz3
I've seen them play 'Same With The Hammer' once. That's a hefty hoot of a track. Could have easily slotted into the first album.
And Kerosene will always put a smile on my face.
Quote from: yknaa on May 09, 2024, 10:20:30 PMWow! Wilt is some blast from the past for me. Bought Bastinado back in the day. Remember really liking it. Few songs like Radio Disco probably still stand up.
Bought "Bastinado" and a few singles when I saw Wilt live in Sir Henry's way back when. "Radio Disco", "Peroxatine", "Ex-Pedestrians" and possibly "Working For The Man" are the only tracks that really hold up.
Wilt were a much better live band than anything they ever laid down on tape.
They were supported by Turn from Kells on one occasion too - (anyone remember them? Solid Pixies/Pumpkins loud/quiet alt-rock, Ollie Cole from Swampshack was the frontman - good debut and follow up EP - bass player left to join Idlewild).
Yeah, Turn were decent, picked up a few of their CDs at the time.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on May 10, 2024, 10:41:31 AMQuote from: yknaa on May 09, 2024, 10:20:30 PMWow! Wilt is some blast from the past for me. Bought Bastinado back in the day. Remember really liking it. Few songs like Radio Disco probably still stand up.
Bought "Bastinado" and a few singles when I saw Wilt live in Sir Henry's way back when. "Radio Disco", "Peroxatine", "Ex-Pedestrians" and possibly "Working For The Man" are the only tracks that really hold up.
Wilt were a much better live band than anything they ever laid down on tape.
They were supported by Turn from Kells on one occasion too - (anyone remember them? Solid Pixies/Pumpkins loud/quiet alt-rock, Ollie Cole from Swampshack was the frontman - good debut and follow up EP - bass player left to join Idlewild).
This b side was good too.
Maybe a bit kerbdogish
I'm after listening to the two Wilt albums here this morning and yeah there's a few decent tracks on the first album little of it is terrible really but little of it great either.
Second one My Medicine is better I think. Much more like Kerbdog tbh and still little awful but far more exciting and decent bits.
Both are still a bit like Kerbdog 0.0 as Pete says
Choon. Yeah it's pop but it's fucking great pop. Surprised even that Wilt didn't get farther than they did...
Edit: Amazing actually what 3 whacks of a snare will do for a tune. Reminds me of the shit Jimmy chamberlain was on about on youtube
Only just realised listening to that song how much like Michael Stipe Cormac sounds.
Quote from: jpm4 on May 11, 2024, 03:54:02 PMOnly just realised listening to that song how much like Michael Stipe Cormac sounds.
Yknow I thought that in the verses as well!
Quote from: StoutAndAle on May 10, 2024, 10:41:31 AMQuote from: yknaa on May 09, 2024, 10:20:30 PMWow! Wilt is some blast from the past for me. Bought Bastinado back in the day. Remember really liking it. Few songs like Radio Disco probably still stand up.
Bought "Bastinado" and a few singles when I saw Wilt live in Sir Henry's way back when. "Radio Disco", "Peroxatine", "Ex-Pedestrians" and possibly "Working For The Man" are the only tracks that really hold up.
Wilt were a much better live band than anything they ever laid down on tape.
They were supported by Turn from Kells on one occasion too - (anyone remember them? Solid Pixies/Pumpkins loud/quiet alt-rock, Ollie Cole from Swampshack was the frontman - good debut and follow up EP - bass player left to join Idlewild).
Oh man, Turn... the lad who ran my local back in the day was mad for them and he had them what felt like every other week. "Baretta" was a banger of a tune, mind.
He also was obsessed with The Smashing Pumpkins, so I never bought any of their albums until 2010 or so.
Anyone heading to the kilkenny one?
That was great craic anyway until I puked my ring out when I got home.
Great venue dunno why more bands don't do a night there. Sound was great, band were tight and I'm genuinely surprised at how well his voice has held up over the years. Don't think there was anyone under 30 at it either.
Heading to the Dublin gig next month. Looking forward to it. Did they play the entire first album from start to finish?
No they didn't. They mixed it into the set and played pretty much both albums in full, which I think worked well given the mid paced nature of the debut. I was really surprised at how decent the gig was and how long they played for. Here's the screenshot from setlist fm:
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That's brilliant, thanks for the set list. glad they mixed it up. Really looking forward to this now. Never got to see them before, but them 2 albums were massive for me back then. Gave them a spin recently and I'm still enjoying. Cheers.
Yeah I'd never seen them before either ands still enjoy both albums, although the second one a lot more.
The Belfast gig is coming up on Saturday, anyone have a vague idea of stage times? It's in LimeLight 2 and there is a club night so curfew could be early? Pretty sure when I was up for Slomatics last year it was all done and dusted by 21:00...
Want to get the bus back to Dublin and it looks like it's 21:00, 21:10, 21:20 and then a jump to 23:00
I vaguely remember seeing them at Feile 94. Maybe lunch time with sun shining and stadium mostly empty.
They supported megadeth in the Ulster hall in 95
Quote from: Don Gately on September 27, 2024, 04:03:18 PMI vaguely remember seeing them at Feile 94. Maybe lunch time with sun shining and stadium mostly empty.
You would be right on that count. I saw them at that as well.
Just coming round after the Dublin gig last night. Really enjoyed it, exceeded my expectations. Sound was great, band full of energy, and as said before great vocals. Full house also sold out. Was a few young ones at it and they were well into it. Great night. Believe the setlist was similar to above so was perfect.
Féile '94.
Christ! 30 years ago, now.
They actually went on a little earlier than was scheduled. I remember hearing them kick off as I was heading in the gate and bulling to get past security lads checking tickets.
Saw them in City Hall, Cork earlier that year too, supporting Therapy? so I was well into them by the time Féile came around.
I think Pet Lamb played that City Hall gig, too.