Metal Warfare - Irish Metal Forum

Right so I make no secret of liking a bit of the old Nu (see what I did there!!) but I realise it's a dirty phrase in general and more often than not it's well earned.

Saying that though, I think there's some actually good stuff in there even including some of the also-rans who might have done better were it not for the label.

I think also that the whole thing is basically pop music with a different aesthetic but still..

Songs or albums from the era and don't be afraid of it ruining your cred either because you're all pretty much Dungeons and Dragons in terms of cool as it is, ie not cool.  :laugh:

Anyway, I listened to the first Korn album today and then the Chat Pile one and I'm about halfway through One Minute Silence - Buy Now Saved Later and I'm willing to stand by those three as decent albums. Had Slipknot - Iowa on the other day as well and liked it

What have ye got lads? It's OK, nobody is going to judge you... ah no they will  :laugh: and harshly too!!

Always thought nu metal was a bit like grunge in terms of bands being lumped together even though they didn't have a similar sound. Korn, Slipknot, SOAD, Limp Bizkit are all completely different but still under the nu metal umbrella

Anyway, those first two Slipknot were deadly, and pretty much what got me into looking for heavier stuff, Jordison was a fucking beast of a drummer

Always loved the first couple of Static X albums too, Spineshank's Height of Callousness used to get a fair amount of spins although it's probably been 20 years since the last one. Might dig it out again over the weekend

I liked the first 3 Korn albums as a young lad. In 94 or 95 I spent a summer in a small village in the south west of France and, barring one woman who worked in the local tabac and who was French but spoke with the strongest Manchester accent- she sounded like she had walked off the set of Coronation Street, nobody spoke English. The kids around the place had a few words from school and I had a few words of French from school. The point being that it was a long couple of months and I found it grim and isolating in many ways. As an aside, I had a nice little Spanish guitar on hand and the house we lived in was this medieval building directly across from the church (the bells would ring every 15 minutes) and the acoustics on the stairwell up to my room were epic. I kick myself now for not having had the clout to try to record the dark, moody riffs I was coming up with at the time. Could have had a nice doomy/black metally acoustic demo put together if I had focused myself better. The new thing I have coming out in a few weeks actually calls back to that period in some ways so I'm making up for it.... anyway, that's all just setting the scene a bit.

Because I was a bit isolated and depressed about being far from home and wanting to be with the lads writing songs (would have been total Machine Head worship at that stage so no great loss in retrospect) I would buy French metal mags, and rather than spend that time learning French so I could understand the articles, I spent the time cutting up pictures and hanging them on the wall while listening to the handful of tapes I had with me.

There was a feature on some new mysterious band called Korn in one of the mags. All I had to go on was the strange name and one really cool, dark band photo. I've never seen that photo of them again so I'm wondering was it even from a demo or something because their debut hadn't come out yet. I got home later that summer and never heard about them again. It must have been a year later (it might have been less considering the time perception of a 12 /13 years old) before the album came out and they changed the face of 90s metal completely.

I liked some of the songs on the debut and in retrospect, without having the ability to articulate what I felt back then, I think some of it was aiming for novelty and overdoing it a bit. But there was a darkness and newness to what they were doing at the time which was exciting.

Similar kind of buzz with Deftones actually. One of my mates had the video for 7 Words (?) recorded off Headbangers Ball and it totally blew our socks off. But being the mid 90s and all of us being clueless we never heard another peep about them for what feels like a year until Adrenaline eventually showed up in local shops. I loved that album back then. Didn't really like the more streamlined sound on Around the Fur and lost interest.

The first SOAD was unreal as CD is still a superb album. I think it has more in common with Faith No More than Korn but it was lumped in to nu metal because of when it came out. I didn't like Toxicity and then moved into the underground and left all of that modern style stuff behind.

But it was definitely a fun and exciting movement for a couple of years as a kid obsessed with new heavy music.

Some friends of mine were into Korn when I was a teenager but I never bothered with them, didn't like yer man's accent/vocal delivery.
Saw them at Hellfest out of curiosity in '22 and I enjoyed them a lot more than I thought I would.

The Feeding by American Head Charge is an album I frequently. It was released in 2005, so quite late to the nu metal scene. Some might say it's more industrial than nu metal. Very much an aggressive drug fueled album, the singer made no secret of his heroin habit! I recall somebody on MI talking about working in a venue that they played here, and one of the lads in the band was smoking crack through an apple  :laugh:


Disturbed: yay or nay? Thumbs up from me anyway  :abbath:

Nothing wrong with a bit of nu metal, especially when you grew up when the early stuff was coming out.

Korn's debut is still on regular rotation here (That Music On Vinyl repress is excellent), and I'd go as far as Untouchables with them as solid albums.

There's definitely a lot of "why in the name of fuck did I buy that" when you revisit a lot of their contemporaries.

And Deftones still sound more like Bad Brains than the majority of hardcore bands to this day!

On the whole, it truly was a repulsive movement. I guess when it exploded I was old enough to know better. Never had time for cack like Coal Chamber or American Head Charge etc

However the first Korn album really did freshen things up. I think some of their early stuff still holds up, I prefer life is Peachy these days when I'm in the mood, a much darker record.

Deftones probably my favourite from that era though it was always really unfair to label them Nu-Metal

Will Haven right behind Deftones for me, such a savage act and they've been so consistent.


A band I detested initially have also become a favourite- Mudvayne. Really they shot themselves in the foot with the ridiculous image and choice of Dig as their first single - sounded like Slipknot wannabes but LD.50 is a serious album. Fantastic musicians and they really spread their wings on End of All Things to Come.

I still like LD50 but I never really got going with them after that.

The grunge comparison is fair as there are a lot of bands with very different sounds who were probably told by the labels to get the baggy jeans out or fuck off but who would have been fine otherwise.

Anyway this thread isn't to say how shit and contrived it all was, it's to recommend any nu metal albums that one still considers to be actually decent.

Going to throw on The Feeding in a few and see what I think because I remember despising it at the time after The War of Art.

Keep em coming lads

Try The End Of All Things to Come if you've only tried LD.50

I was probably just that bit to old to get grabbed in by the nu metal (thankfully).By the time i was 17/18 i had years of Death/Thrash,Black metal under my belt so i wasn't for turning.When NU metal took off i absolutely hated it. I do like System of a down,I actually listened to Slipknot Iowa on Spotify the other day,tbf its a heavy easy listen.

Around 97/98 I was nearly done with metal because of the amount of scutter coming out!,I thought the scene was fucked!

The only band from that era that I've gone back and listened to in the past ten years was Sevendust.

Would you believe I only had the first 2 Sevendust albums on in the car lately. I used to think the first album was where it was at, but Home is much better after the years. Actually now I think Home is great but I wouldn't mind if I never heard the debut again.

Don't know anything after the first 2 at all, is any of that any cop?

Quote from: Paul keohane on February 29, 2024, 09:29:05 PMI was probably just that bit to old to get grabbed in by the nu metal (thankfully).By the time i was 17/18 i had years of Death/Thrash,Black metal under my belt so i wasn't for turning.When NU metal took off i absolutely hated it. I do like System of a down,I actually listened to Slipknot Iowa on Spotify the other day,tbf its a heavy easy listen.

Around 97/98 I was nearly done with metal because of the amount of scutter coming out!,I thought the scene was fucked!

I'm old enough that I should know better as well to be fair about it

So I listened to The Feeding and I liked it even though I think I'd be grand if I never heard it again.

Now I've The Height Callousness on here and I'm liking it but I'd be grand if I never heard it again.

What I'll do is that I'll burn the two of em on to a CD for the car and make sure that way.

Now something I hadn't spotted before was that the Spineshank album is the strongest possible rip-off of Prong - Rude Awakening, right down to directly stealing riffs but I do love that Prong album so yeah go on

Needed italics and got sizzled

And at the back of it all, it all feels very product. I enjoy the old song craft and all but at the same time 2 lads making a fuck of it in a shed probably means more to me

Only band I'd revisit with any regularity is Limp Bizkit. Fred Durst is marmite to a lot of people, but the musicians in that band were great. Particularly as a guitar player I enjoy Wes Borland's tapping rhythms on 3 Dollar Bills, and his use of delay to come up with riffs on Chocolate Starfish. Basically any riff he wrote aside from the ham-fisted drop-tuned heavy riffs was amazing. The heavier ones got the job done they were supposed to do.

Anything else I revisit maybe once about every 5 years in a cluster. I was 15/16 in 2000 so the exact right age at the exact commercial peak of the genre. So about twice a decade I'll settle down with a few drinks and stick on the likes of Height of Callousness, Infest, Slipknot s/t, Wisconsin Death Trip, Korn, S.C.I.E.N.C.E (prob more nu-metal adjacent), and Devil Without a Cause. Plus invariably find a playlist that captures all the other one-off hits like P.O.D, Crazy Town, Saliva, Mudvayne, Staind etc. Most of it kind of awful, but the nostalgia trip carries me through and it's usually a fun night.

What an era though. Frosted tip jocks being simultaneously violent and emo, whilst partying. Where on earth did that come from? The authenticity of grunge finally becoming pop commercialized and reaching the most shallow possible people? Whatever it was, it was violently American.

Jackass is also intrinsically linked to this era in my mind (I still love Jackass).

Funny you say Jackass, cause to me wrestling in the late 90s into 2000/2001 where there was nu-metal featured on PPVs and a lot of the entrance music was very "nu" was a big intro to me. The Acolytes theme for anyone who remembers was a real sound I heard and my ears immediately pricked up. I need more of this stuff in my life.

I was 12 in 2000 and feel like a lot of nu-metal swirled about me at the time but in hindsight it was songs more than albums that I was into/listened to, bar Slipknot and Korn and a smattering of others. Kinda a whistle stop for a year or so until I got Reign in Blood and we were off to the races. Hearing stuff off Kerrang and downloading songs of Kazaa etc. but I owned relatively few actual albums.

Will always give both Korn and Slipknot a listen a few times a year, the Slipknot s/t was a revelation to me. Never heard drums or even guitar playing like it - the string bend breakdown in Eyeless absolutely floored me. A great record.

I think it's a nebulous sorta category though, there's very little glue that keeps a lot of those bands together in a lot of instances. Aesthetic and approach moreso than sounds defined a lot of that era, a bands like Mudvayne and even Papa Roach did everything in their power to remove themselves from that tag or style as soon as they got a chance. First Korn album I got was Follow the Leader and I was expecting absolutely chaos when I got home with it, but It's On couldn't be further from what I was anticipating. That's true of a lot of fad genres, grunge would be the same, and I guess I was coming in at a "maturing" stage for the genre.

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Quote from: Squigs on March 01, 2024, 12:52:50 AMFunny you say Jackass, cause to me wrestling in the late 90s into 2000/2001 where there was nu-metal featured on PPVs and a lot of the entrance music was very "nu" was a big intro to me. The Acolytes theme for anyone who remembers was a real sound I heard and my ears immediately pricked up. I need more of this stuff in my life.

Yeah for sure! The whole Attitude era coincided with nu-metal's popularity so it's all over it. Sure in the Undertaker's biker phase he initially came out to American Badass by Kid Rock. Then later on switched to Rollin' by Limp Bizkit. Seem to remember they even performed live a few times on the shows.

If you want a fun time capsule, go back and watch Freddy vs Jason and hear it's really out of place nu-metal soundtrack   :laugh:

I loved S.C.I.E.N.C.E. and Enjoy Incubus back then but I revisited them around a decade ago and they were tough going. Amazing musicianship and singing in that band, and again they were lumped into that scene because of time and place, but their sound was more of a jazzy/funky interpretation of FNM. The wackiness is hard to take these days but yeah, they were a cut above in many respects.

The one after S.C.I.... was a turd. They streamlined their sound for radio and ditched a lot of the creativity that made them exciting in the first place.

Similar thoughts on Incubus here. Enjoyed records up to morning view but went to see them in Dublin about 6 years ago and it was a god awful show, the band looked bored to tears, no energy whatsoever and the tamest dullest crowd I've ever seen at one of these things. Rock music for Ivy Leaguers.

Lost Prophets are arguably more extreme than anything in the black metal fanaticism thread.

You trot some version of that out at every opportunity. It's your version of male lesbians cancelling gigs. Suffering Jaysus. :laugh:

Yeah I hate most of it in retrospect but growing up when I did I gave some sick amount of it a go.  But I started off all sideways into music anyway and had plenty of shit to dig into thanks to the collections the two brothers had lying about.  Anyway.

Deftones are lethal, a real favourite band of mine, and I don't care what arguments lads put in - they are nu metal, completely and totally.

Will Haven - also class and I love their newer albums too but Carpe Diem is just the fuckin business.  More post-hardcore I suppose but they had the gluey riffs and old Deftones style bouncy bits in there so they get hit with the nu metal stick too.  Even if Muerte is Sludge/Hardcore.

Limp Bizkit - Significant Other is lethal but the rest of it is muck.

Korn - the first album is great.  Everything up to and including Untouchables has good songs on it but are rattled with filler.  Anything after that can be safely ignored forever.

Filter - I listen to Title of Record a fair bit.  It's straightforward rock songs that get out in with the nu-metal again but the tag fits.  Great album if you skip Take My Picture every time.  Terrible song.

American Head Charge - I had the first album for a while and loved it but on a revisit a few years ago it held up very badly.

Mudvayne - same.  LD50 was completely lethal when I was in my teens but doesn't do much for me now.  Never got into their other albums.  Some good songs.

Incubus - S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is lethal but again anything else is very terrible.  Actually no it's not even bad just harmless and forgettable.  Even worse I suppose.  But S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is rattled with great tunes and great ideas, sounds busting.

System of a Down - I like both the first album and Toxicity but Toxicity is just played to death.  The albums after have a good song here and there but overall are bad.

Special Mention to Methods of Mayhem - easily the absolute dregs of music and the worst album I have ever ever heard but I recommend all of ye to listen to it at least once to see how bad things could be.  Horror music.

I could keep going.  Some of the other shit that has been trotted out above (Sevendust, Spineshank) is terrible and I will never revisit it by choice.

I saw a Nu-Metal tribute in Dolan's lately and they were the worst band I have ever seen live.  Genuinely shocking.  Out of tune, out of time, horrendous choice of songs, I don't even know where to begin.  Everyone wanted to enjoy it so much but there was no saving it.  Car crash level shit too, I stayed for the whole gig but nearly had to hide behind the sound desk from the mortification.

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 01, 2024, 08:22:31 AMYou trot some version of that out at every opportunity. It's your version of male lesbians cancelling gigs. Suffering Jaysus. :laugh:

Sorry,repeated viewings of the Black Death Cult video with the slide Trombone momentarily broke my brain and erased my memory in the process

Are we officially calling Chat Pile Nu Metal now?I still hear a lot more noise rock/Godflesh in there

Quote from: Pentagrimes on March 01, 2024, 08:02:35 AMLost Prophets are arguably more extreme than anything in the black metal fanaticism thread.

Definitely more extreme than Inquisition.   

Only "nu-metal" band I have any interest in is SOAD.   Think their first two albums are great.   

:laugh:  name and shame! That actually sounds like an even more fun night ou than a decent tribute would be.

We were discussing Clawfinger and Stuck Mojo in recent times. Both utterly awful but there's at least a little nostalgia attached to Clawfinger for me, because I got great gas out of laughing at their lyrics. Are either of those bands nu metal? I suppose you could say Stuck Mojo are, but Clawfinger pre-date the movement being more of a poor man's Rage Against the Machine. First wave nu metal?  :laugh:

You're the real nagger!

Went back and listened to some Mudvayne this morning. LD50 and End of All Things are pretty close to prog in a lot of parts. Ryan Martinie's bass playing is just unbelievable and really elevates them above the others. I remember spending hours trying to figure out some of it as a young lad, never got close!

Lost and Found seemed to go a bit more alt rock  and toned down a lot of their weirder stuff, it's grand enough but doubt I'll listen to it again

I see they're back touring again, I'd be interested to hear what they come up with if they were to make a new album

I never would have thought to lump Filter in with nu metal. Kind of industrial alt metal/ rock light? They were catchy enough and I had fun seeing them open for Smashing Pumpkins  but never would have been arsed buying the album.

As for stuff like early Pitch Shifter and Godflesh, I know they are considered respectable but there is no denying the influence they had on that scene. Again, first wave nu metal?

And where does that leave the likes of Ministry and NIN? Big influences came from those bands I think. Or am I over reaching?

Listening to Chat Pile for the first time. Really good but it sounds more like noise rock to my ignorant ear. A bit of Harvey Milk in the mix maybe.

I enjoy quite a bit of the first 2 SOAD albums, their slower material sat best with me, songs like Spiders and ATWA etc. I hate the jokier/quirkier material. I'd hardly consider them nu metal though overall.

I do enjoy the odd bit of Disturbed. Their first album and the Indestructable albums are decent for listening to during workouts.

I quite liked the Slipknot self titled back in the day, but like The Burning Red by Machine Head, it was more a dislike of Ross Robinsons productions as opposed to the songs that was the most off putting.

Never really got into anything else that you'd deem nu metal though... although I can tolerate P.O.D. in small doses. Korn and Limp Bizkit et al never held any appeal.

Quote from: Pentagrimes on March 01, 2024, 10:26:10 AMAre we officially calling Chat Pile Nu Metal now?I still hear a lot more noise rock/Godflesh in there

No I'd also say noise rock, hint of sludge, but there is a huge Nu Metal influence on it all.  Korn anyway for definite.

Maybe we were talking about it here but they gave an interview where they talked about trying to find music on TV channels because they had no other exposure to anything outside of what came on the radio.  Anyway.  One of their parents found a blank VHS on the street in the city on a trip (them growing up in a little town in Oklahoma apparently) and brought it home, bizarrely.  They handed it to their son and said "you might like what is on this", it was a load of nu metal and 90s alt rock videos with a bit of metal in between, all recorded off MTV, VH1 etc.  that was how they found out about Korn  :laugh: and they loved it anyway.

Aside from that no, they played into the meme of being called nu metal themselves on an FB group (noise rock now) and it became a massive running joke.  The korn riffs don't help the case.

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 01, 2024, 10:40:38 AMI never would have thought to lump Filter in with nu metal. Kind of industrial alt metal/ rock light? They were catchy enough and I had fun seeing them open for Smashing Pumpkins  but never would have been arsed buying the album.

As for stuff like early Pitch Shifter and Godflesh, I know they are considered respectable but there is no denying the influence they had on that scene. Again, first wave nu metal?

And where does that leave the likes of Ministry and NIN? Big influences came from those bands I think. Or am I over reaching?

Filter sort of fit the bill in a lot of cases but yeah I would have always thought alt rock myself - they just always cropped up with other nu metal acts for years.

All of that scene of industrial metal - especially NIN, Godflesh, Ministry - all had a huge hand in influence on nu metal bands, definitely, but wouldn't fit the bill themselves.  I remember before I ever heard a note of Linkin Park, I read a thing in Kerrang about them where the vocalist said how much he loved Ministry and wanted to put that into the music.  Such disappointment by comparison :laugh:

I have a long winded and dense thing about nu metal that I might try write out better in a while but the long and short of it is: after the experiment labels took with Grunge, firing every band into it and trying to get the next big thing, the same was attempted with Nu Metal but using the sort of image control and management learned during the era of 90s pop.  This push went more awry for them not because of the state of nu metal (that made no difference since the model of "fuck anything at the genre and people will buy it" proved to work during Grunge era) but because of the advancement in the internet.  Downloads were coming on, your market (kids) are broke and rebellious, blogs and forums were popular and it was as much about fitting in in these new online spaces as it was being into a genre with your friends, all various things caused it to go a bit belly up.  But only artistically - the big labels still did well enough off it all but nothing of that scale of marketing could be rolled out again to an alternative scene.

Never clicked with any of the "nu metal" bands except for SOAD, who sounded nothing like any of the others. First heard Korn when Life Is Peachy was released, on the Metal Show actually. It sounded grand, but didn't have me wanting to investigate, not like when I first heard Emperor or countless others on there. Totally isolated from any "scene" at the time, I hadn't a notion in my head of rejecting stuff that wasn't "true" either, so for example I was an absolutely massive RATM fan, but then thanks to Morello they were leagues ahead of any nu metal in terms of musicality, until maybe Slipknot, but they really went out of their way when they first came along to hide any talent behind their antics. Also never really got into whining-style vocals in any genre, so that ruled out a lot of both nu metal and its influences (e.g. I can only take Deftones in small doses). Whole concept of good nu metal really does feel like picking through a hape of shite trying to find a couple grains of corn still intact enough to chew on again though. No thanks.

Hungover in a lad's house in Tuam (don't ask me how I got there, I don't know) one morning, he puts on this tape by a band he's just come across called 'Corn'. I was fairly fed up of my staples of thrash and death mrtal, and was listening to a lot of punk and electronic stuff then so the combination of downtuning and simple, bouncy riffs immediately appealed.

Bought a few bits (still pissed off by the Terrorizer article that described Coal Chamber "Korn, but heavier"), don't really listen to them anymore:

Korn (first 5, Life Is Peachy is shite but the others all have their moments), Spineshank (first one was dull, second had a bit more life to it), Deftones (first 2 and a live EP, the EP was shite and put me right off them, can't stand anything after thst), Slipknot (when the s/t album came out I was all over it, yer man's vocals are hit & miss but I liked the relative heaviness of it compared to others in the 'genre'. The Subliminal Verses still holds up very well and the last album was quite good.), Mudvayne (wasn't for me), Chimaira (are they nu metal? Second and third albums still hold up), Powerman 5000 (muck!), S.O.A.D. (heard them on the radio in Supermac's, of all places. Hated the vocals but found the music interesting.), fucking Coal Chamber (bought the first one, not for me but someone saw the CD and ended up buying me more for birthday/christmas presents), the inevitable Limp Biscuit (picked up a couple in a charity shop, not for me).

Bear in mind that I was old enough to know better (I would have been 18 when the first Korn came out) but was losing interest in the metal scene at that stage so a new take on it was refreshing. I always thought of it as a kids' thing though, gateway metal I suppose. That first Korn gig in the SFX was good craic, saw them a few years later in the RDS and it was just flat, dull. I was too old for it anyway but got free tickets so it was no loss.

I still go back to 1998 as the worst year for metal (i know someone will list off a load of good albums released that year).But im talking about on a more mainstream level.Slayer,Maiden,Metallica,Anthrax etc looked like they were all fucked!(musically),loads of the original DM/Thrash bands were either releasing scutter,or were on a break/broken up.At the time a few good buddies stopped listening to metal,i was like this scene is on its knees!.I can remember blaming NU metal for the demise!.Thank fuck it was short lived!

Quote from: Mooncat on March 01, 2024, 12:24:58 AMOnly band I'd revisit with any regularity is Limp Bizkit. Fred Durst is marmite to a lot of people, but the musicians in that band were great. Particularly as a guitar player I enjoy Wes Borland's tapping rhythms on 3 Dollar Bills, and his use of delay to come up with riffs on Chocolate Starfish. Basically any riff he wrote aside from the ham-fisted drop-tuned heavy riffs was amazing. The heavier ones got the job done they were supposed to do.

Anything else I revisit maybe once about every 5 years in a cluster. I was 15/16 in 2000 so the exact right age at the exact commercial peak of the genre. So about twice a decade I'll settle down with a few drinks and stick on the likes of Height of Callousness, Infest, Slipknot s/t, Wisconsin Death Trip, Korn, S.C.I.E.N.C.E (prob more nu-metal adjacent), and Devil Without a Cause. Plus invariably find a playlist that captures all the other one-off hits like P.O.D, Crazy Town, Saliva, Mudvayne, Staind etc. Most of it kind of awful, but the nostalgia trip carries me through and it's usually a fun night.

What an era though. Frosted tip jocks being simultaneously violent and emo, whilst partying. Where on earth did that come from? The authenticity of grunge finally becoming pop commercialized and reaching the most shallow possible people? Whatever it was, it was violently American.

Jackass is also intrinsically linked to this era in my mind (I still love Jackass).

Listened to The Unquestionable Truth a good bit lately. It's funny how Limp Bizkit (The Truth) are better at doing Deftones than Deftones (Back to School) are at doing Limp Bizkit.

Quote from: Carnage on March 01, 2024, 11:34:06 AMHungover in a lad's house in Tuam (don't ask me how I got there, I don't know) one morning, he puts on this tape by a band he's just come across called 'Corn'. I was fairly fed up of my staples of thrash and death mrtal, and was listening to a lot of punk and electronic stuff then so the combination of downtuning and simple, bouncy riffs immediately appealed.

Bought a few bits (still pissed off by the Terrorizer article that described Coal Chamber "Korn, but heavier"), don't really listen to them anymore:

Korn (first 5, Life Is Peachy is shite but the others all have their moments), Spineshank (first one was dull, second had a bit more life to it), Deftones (first 2 and a live EP, the EP was shite and put me right off them, can't stand anything after thst), Slipknot (when the s/t album came out I was all over it, yer man's vocals are hit & miss but I liked the relative heaviness of it compared to others in the 'genre'. The Subliminal Verses still holds up very well and the last album was quite good.), Mudvayne (wasn't for me), Chimaira (are they nu metal? Second and third albums still hold up), Powerman 5000 (muck!), S.O.A.D. (heard them on the radio in Supermac's, of all places. Hated the vocals but found the music interesting.), fucking Coal Chamber (bought the first one, not for me but someone saw the CD and ended up buying me more for birthday/christmas presents), the inevitable Limp Biscuit (picked up a couple in a charity shop, not for me).

Bear in mind that I was old enough to know better (I would have been 18 when the first Korn came out) but was losing interest in the metal scene at that stage so a new take on it was refreshing. I always thought of it as a kids' thing though, gateway metal I suppose. That first Korn gig in the SFX was good craic, saw them a few years later in the RDS and it was just flat, dull. I was too old for it anyway but got free tickets so it was no loss.

The first Chimaira album has a fair nu metal sound, the impossibility of reason and ressurection albums are just two slabs of heavy goodness though.

I always saw nu-metal as a more narcissistic metal version of grunge and seemed like a natural progression post 1994. Unfortunately it gave rise to more woeful shite than actual decent music. I still think something could be extracted from it. Deftones have their moments too across their albums and they have retained my interest somewhat over the years compared to others. Mudvayne bassist is the only reason I'd listen to Mudvayne songs as he elevates them completely but beyond a handful of songs - nothing to note, same goes for a lot of the others like SOAD. I was 14 in 2000 so Marilyn Manson/NIN/Korn was more my go to. Still have a soft spot for Korn, appreciate the unique sound and I agree there's a scatter of good songs across the first 5 albums. Korn are definitely a gateway band - while they give rise to kids at the time searching for heavier/darker music - while on the other hand they paved the way for so many copycats both new (and older bands that should have known better).

I remember coming across this song on Napster around 2000 and thinking (the first half of the song anyway) was a pretty unique take on the 7 string low tuned / bass devoid of mids sound but mixed with cool horror type 80s synths and I wish this was explored more (if anyone thinks this has been explored throw me some links!) ->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSGX-BMvUkU

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Quote from: Carnage on March 01, 2024, 11:34:06 AMHungover in a lad's house in Tuam (don't ask me how I got there, I don't know) one morning, he puts on this tape by a band he's just come across called 'Corn'. I was fairly fed up of my staples of thrash and death mrtal, and was listening to a lot of punk and electronic stuff then so the combination of downtuning and simple, bouncy riffs immediately appealed.

Bought a few bits (still pissed off by the Terrorizer article that described Coal Chamber "Korn, but heavier"), don't really listen to them anymore:

Korn (first 5, Life Is Peachy is shite but the others all have their moments), Spineshank (first one was dull, second had a bit more life to it), Deftones (first 2 and a live EP, the EP was shite and put me right off them, can't stand anything after thst), Slipknot (when the s/t album came out I was all over it, yer man's vocals are hit & miss but I liked the relative heaviness of it compared to others in the 'genre'. The Subliminal Verses still holds up very well and the last album was quite good.), Mudvayne (wasn't for me), Chimaira (are they nu metal? Second and third albums still hold up), Powerman 5000 (muck!), S.O.A.D. (heard them on the radio in Supermac's, of all places. Hated the vocals but found the music interesting.), fucking Coal Chamber (bought the first one, not for me but someone saw the CD and ended up buying me more for birthday/christmas presents), the inevitable Limp Biscuit (picked up a couple in a charity shop, not for me).

Bear in mind that I was old enough to know better (I would have been 18 when the first Korn came out) but was losing interest in the metal scene at that stage so a new take on it was refreshing. I always thought of it as a kids' thing though, gateway metal I suppose. That first Korn gig in the SFX was good craic, saw them a few years later in the RDS and it was just flat, dull. I was too old for it anyway but got free tickets so it was no loss.

The first Chimaira album has a fair nu metal sound, the impossibility of reason and ressurection albums are just two slabs of heavy goodness though.

Impossibility Of Reason is a savage album. Think Roadrunner tried to get them to cut the solos at the time.


Another great one is the first Static X album. Total Ministry theft throughout but tis good craic.

One of my greatest embarrassments was when learning guitar and my teacher showed me drop-d tuning telling him I think Korn invented that  ;D

Lads, nostalgia is a powerful feeling. As someone who had way too much nu-metal on their collection, I can safely say the vast majority of it was absolute shite.

The first Korn album was definitely something new and exciting at the time, and crucially it was dark as fuck. Life is Peachy...hit and miss but still dark. By the time we get to Follow the Leader, they've gone full retard with shitty, filler, call-out songs, stupid fucking videos of them crashing expensive cars, dressed in sparkly Adidas shellsuits. Deftones were absolutely nu metal but they moved outside the limits of the genre and get a pass from me. Everything else was pretty much muck. Coal Chamber, Sevendust, Limp Bizkit, Orgy, Spineshank, Ultraspank (Jesus wept!!), Dope...all stuff that was ultimately destined to take up space in your local charity shop.

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Quote from: Skott Furys jizz rag on March 01, 2024, 02:40:08 PMThe first Chimaira album has a fair nu metal sound, the impossibility of reason and ressurection albums are just two slabs of heavy goodness though.

Impossibility Of Reason is a savage album. Think Roadrunner tried to get them to cut the solos at the time.


Another great one is the first Static X album. Total Ministry theft throughout but tis good craic.

I still have the first 3 Chimaira albums in a box somewhere. First one is very 'nu' alright but the other two were grand. Must dig them out, never heard anything after that. I believe they've reformed, too.

Static X - I picked up a compilation of theirs in Xtravision of all places, for about 3 quid. Not great overall, what caught my eye was a Ministry cover (Burning Inside) that was only OK if memory serves. Never really paid much heed to them.

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Remember Tura Satana and Human Waste Project? Kerrang were pushing them like mad for a year or so.

First album I ever owned on CD was the first Korn record, it was the first really heavy music I bought around the same time it came out so I have a lot of nostalgia for it. But after a year or so I moved onto other things and never revisit it these days.

Never really got into Korn, few good songs but so much filler padding out the albums

Manhole/Tura Satana were fucking dreadful. I remember reading about Human Waste Project and liking the idea of them, until I actually heard them. Poor, and same story with Snot.

Hold on now lads. While it's great to see you all excusing yourselves for your embarrassing nu metal purchases, this thread was created in the hope of a few recs so don't be afraid to post up tonnes of albums that you do like.

Sound

https://youtu.be/V-sYWaOrLdI?si=oXpqD8eFhTJlR4XV

Possibly only that Machine Head tracksuit video is more embarrassing than this

Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2024, 09:00:41 PMHold on now lads. While it's great to see you all excusing yourselves for your embarrassing nu metal purchases, this thread was created in the hope of a few recs so don't be afraid to post up tonnes or albums that you do like.

Sound

Only rec I can add that might be unknown to ya is an album I won off a Christian radio station that had a rock/metal show in the mid-nineties:
https://youtu.be/OQyjj9EiE8U?si=OVorxRtqEnqmuSiH

I never checked out any of their other stuff, but did at least get my money's (£0) worth of listens out of this one :laugh:

Quote from: jpm4 on March 01, 2024, 09:42:00 PMhttps://youtu.be/V-sYWaOrLdI?si=oXpqD8eFhTJlR4XV

Possibly only that Machine Head tracksuit video is more embarrassing than this

Man we've rakes of threads derailed by how shit it all is. Are there any albums that you like from the era?

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Quote from: astfgyl on March 01, 2024, 09:00:41 PMHold on now lads. While it's great to see you all excusing yourselves for your embarrassing nu metal purchases, this thread was created in the hope of a few recs so don't be afraid to post up tonnes or albums that you do like.

Sound

Only rec I can add that might be unknown to ya is an album I won off a Christian radio station that had a rock/metal show in the mid-nineties:
https://youtu.be/OQyjj9EiE8U?si=OVorxRtqEnqmuSiH

I never checked out any of their other stuff, but did at least get my money's (£0) worth of listens out of this one :laugh:

That wasn't even bad I'd nearly chance the album. Never heard of em

Why do you all feel the need to make excuses and add caveats to just recommending albums?

I think that's hilarious

I remember a song on a Metal Hammer CD from the late 90s by a band called Hybrid UK that was really cool. Catchy as hell nu metal with some kind of really fast dance element to it. I have no idea about that sort of music so I can't get at a more accurate term.

Dub maybe? Like a nu metal Asian Dub Foundation.

https://youtu.be/FVYa_fQQ1yk?si=1ijI7q4ZZbikdu-_

Here it is. This is still absolutely fucking deadly  8)

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Quote from: jpm4 on March 01, 2024, 09:42:00 PMhttps://youtu.be/V-sYWaOrLdI?si=oXpqD8eFhTJlR4XV

Possibly only that Machine Head tracksuit video is more embarrassing than this

Man we've rakes of threads derailed by how shit it all is. Are there any albums that you like from the era?

Aside from the obvious stuff - Korn, Deftones, SOAD - the only album I can kinda remember liking is actually the second Tura Satana album. Which is fucking embarrassing!

Listening to Hybrid UK put me in mind of King Prawn. Fried in London on now. What a great album.

Didn't like any of their proper stuff, but his one stuck with me for some reason. Off a free CD somewhere:

https://youtu.be/bfunag3m5IM?si=NFeBj9J_VN3gXUoA

Orange 9mm had a few good songs but I haven't listened to them in a long time. Were they nu metal or more of a post hardcore kind of thing? Must revisit.

Remember Soil had a decent album or two, singer was great

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Quote from: jpm4 on March 01, 2024, 09:42:00 PMhttps://youtu.be/V-sYWaOrLdI?si=oXpqD8eFhTJlR4XV

Possibly only that Machine Head tracksuit video is more embarrassing than this

Man we've rakes of threads derailed by how shit it all is. Are there any albums that you like from the era?

Aside from the obvious stuff - Korn, Deftones, SOAD - the only album I can kinda remember liking is actually the second Tura Satana album. Which is fucking embarrassing!

If it's good it's good. The last CD I bought was a Madonna album it's fine.

This thread is pure Good Will Hunting

Here. Here's a great tune by Limp Bizkit and not even Wes Borland involved...

This tune is serious. It's how I imagine ratm would bum Deftones

First Korn album is brilliant but haven't listened to it for a long time.
The first Slipknot was patchy at best as was the second. The third one was and still is a great rock album and I suppose they had moved on from the nu metal beginnings.

SOAD were so good at writing the catchy hooks. The first one , Toxicity and Mezmerize are full of instant memorable songs.
Deftones are the best of the bunch.
From the third album on I feel they have left the rest of the bands from that era in their wake. That gig in Vicar St a few years ago was brilliant.

I brought my son to the barbers the other day and there was playlist in the tv with what was called modern rock anthems.
Two  Linkin Park songs came on and they instantly clicked with him in regards to melody and structure.   
I suppose it shows that those songs were crafted to with an inch for maximum appeal.

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 01, 2024, 11:29:43 PMOrange 9mm had a few good songs but I haven't listened to them in a long time. Were they nu metal or more of a post hardcore kind of thing? Must revisit.

They were more post hardcore than nu, but seemed to be support for loads of the Nu bands when they played the east coast.

'Chop Suey' by SOAD annoys me a lot. Starts off kind of good then goes into this soft singing part abruptly, then something else, then something else, not interested in this band. EJECT.

Nu metal? Deftones win obviously.

Quote from: Circlepit on March 02, 2024, 11:12:25 AMFirst Korn album is brilliant but haven't listened to it for a long time.
The first Slipknot was patchy at best as was the second. The third one was and still is a great rock album and I suppose they had moved on from the nu metal beginnings.

SOAD were so good at writing the catchy hooks. The first one , Toxicity and Mezmerize are full of instant memorable songs.
Deftones are the best of the bunch.
From the third album on I feel they have left the rest of the bands from that era in their wake. That gig in Vicar St a few years ago was brilliant.

I brought my son to the barbers the other day and there was playlist in the tv with what was called modern rock anthems.
Two  Linkin Park songs came on and they instantly clicked with him in regards to melody and structure.   
I suppose it shows that those songs were crafted to with an inch for maximum appeal.

Yep, just chiming in to say Deftones are by far the best of it but as ochoill says, I ain't having a bar of this "they aren't nu metal" lark

Kind of an aside, but remember when emo was Emotional Hardcore?

Nu metal is pretty much responsible for that.

Anyway, here's some bands that I like from the nu crowd..

Deftones
Korn
Chat Pile
Limp Bizkit
Mudvayne
Orgy
Filter
American Head Charge
Cold
Chimaira
Spineshank
Stuck Mojo
Sevendust
One Minute Silence

Most of it is toe curling shit but the ones in that list have at least one album I like.

I actually still throw on Orgy Candyass on occasion. I listen to Significant Other regularly. I like the first Cold album and all. I also listen to rakes of 80s and 90s pop music without going red for myself.

I think there's a Venn diagram to be drawn up of lads who grew up with 80s pop and 90s grunge and nu metal was the sweet spot between those for some lads like me. I only got into The Cure in the last couple of years but it turns out a massive portion of the nu metal lads were just trying to put that sort of pop sound through a filter

I liked that first Cold album too but it was more grunge than nu metal if my memory isn't failing me. The singer went all in on his yarl. It was ridiculous but the songs were catchy enough to overlook it.

Interesting comment regarding The Cure, but yeah, there was a dark emotional and vulnerable angle nu metal was aiming at that drew on goth and industrial but made it a bit/ a  lot more cartoonish, and colorful. And then the Faith No More influence added a wackiness as well.

Quote from: leatherface on March 02, 2024, 11:31:57 AM'Chop Suey' by SOAD annoys me a lot. Starts off kind of good then goes into this soft singing part abruptly, then something else, then something else, not interested in this band. EJECT.

Nu metal? Deftones win obviously.

I remember when Toxicity came out and it was played to fuckin death and one night I actually got into a scrap with a lad because he wanted to play it twice in a row and I could stand no more so I fucked the CD at him and off we went. Twas actually one of the lads out of iBurn and all, speaking of nu metal. Unfortunately for me the cunt is as strong as a horse and I got me shit pushed in but luckily we shook hands and continued the drinking and yoke taking after he knelt on my face  :laugh:

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 02, 2024, 11:52:05 AMI liked that first Cold album too but it was more grunge than nu metal if my memory isn't failing me. The singer went all in on his yarl. It was ridiculous but the songs were catchy enough to overlook it.

Interesting comment regarding The Cure, but yeah, there was a dark emotional and vulnerable angle nu metal was aiming at that drew on goth and industrial but made it a bit/ a  lot more cartoonish, and colorful. And then the Faith No More influence added a wackiness as well.

It was/is more nu grunge than nu metal and by god are his vocals painful but just that one album gets a pass for being decent

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Quote from: leatherface on March 02, 2024, 11:31:57 AM'Chop Suey' by SOAD annoys me a lot. Starts off kind of good then goes into this soft singing part abruptly, then something else, then something else, not interested in this band. EJECT.

Nu metal? Deftones win obviously.

I remember when Toxicity came out and it was played to fuckin death and one night I actually got into a scrap with a lad because he wanted to play it twice in a row and I could stand no more so I fucked the CD at him and off we went. Twas actually one of the lads out of iBurn and all, speaking of nu metal. Unfortunately for me the cunt is as strong as a horse and I got me shit pushed in but luckily we shook hands and continued the drinking and yoke taking after he knelt on my face  :laugh:

It's about the only heavy album I can remember playing for my very un metal friends where it went down well.

Thankfully, I never got too into it. Had the first 2 Korn albums, then bought the first SOAD and Coal Chamber but wasn't into either. The latter is considerably worse than SOAD. Have always been a fan of Deftones. Remember Around The Fur being number 1 on the Soundcellar Top 10 on the metal show for weeks and them playing here around the time of it's release.

Was at that Deftones gig in the sfx back in the day. Delighted so I was. One Minute Silence supported so there was a load of lads from the town who don't even like metal at it because they knew yer man. Grand oul gig anyway. Used to have the bootleg of it knocking about but I dunno where it went

This thread has made me realise that the only nu metal I'm actually familiar with is Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park's first album, American Head Charge and about 3 Deftones songs.

I didn't have satellite TV growing up and never heard of Kerrang magazine or what have you, so never heard a note of the bands mentioned numerous times here like Spineshank, Coal Chamber etc


I bought Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park when I was 14, and it was the heaviest thing I'd ever heard, alongside Limp Bizkit. Although I didn't actually think of them in terms of 'heavy', they were really just louder and shoutier versions of pop/rap songs to me.

I'm on the bus on the way to Dublin to see Evile and I threw on Hybrid Theory for the laugh. I haven't listened to it in 23 years. Thought I'd only last a couple of songs, but I listened to the whole album. Some really nice electronic bits in it and yer man Chester had a powerful voice.
I'd gotten into Metallica the following year. Riffs, solos and aggression took over and I just pretended that Linkin Park didn't exist. It was nice to revisit, might not leave it another 23 years before the next go around.

Quote from: astfgyl on March 02, 2024, 01:09:20 AMHere. Here's a great tune by Limp Bizkit and not even Wes Borland involved...

This tune is serious. It's how I imagine ratm would bum Deftones

Never heard of this EP, nice one! According to wikipedia, Wes Borland was involved with this. It was his first release with them after he rejoined.

Would Linkin Park be considered metal at all? They were always a pop act in my eyes (ears?), along with Papa Roach and a few others, just dressed up in (nu) metal trappings. Like Blink 182, Sum 41, even Green Day etc. were to punk.

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Quote from: astfgyl on March 02, 2024, 01:09:20 AMHere. Here's a great tune by Limp Bizkit and not even Wes Borland involved...

This tune is serious. It's how I imagine ratm would bum Deftones

Never heard of this EP, nice one! According to wikipedia, Wes Borland was involved with this. It was his first release with them after he rejoined.

No way I was sure it was the other lad but I never read up on it or anything. It's a great ep/short album

Quote from: Carnage on March 02, 2024, 03:16:14 PMWould Linkin Park be considered metal at all? They were always a pop act in my eyes (ears?), along with Papa Roach and a few others, just dressed up in (nu) metal trappings. Like Blink 182, Sum 41, even Green Day etc. were to punk.

Well like Black Sabbath and Megadeth sound like pop music compared to the likes of Primitive Man and The Body, Linkin Park would be metal enough, Chester had some set of pipes

Linkin Park and Papa Roach def fall under the nu metal umbrella.

I love Nu Metal especially because of the DJs but I'd love to see Djing in heavier genres like death metal thrash maybe even some black metal. Also don't know if they're Nu Metal but Mushroomhead is one of my favorite bands I think they're pretty underrated would love to see them come to Dolans :]

 :sniffles:

Show all yizzer selves to the door of the hall and leave, bloody leave t'fuck.

Tool are fairly nu metal as well although I doubt their fans would be much inclined to agree

Where is the "nu" in Tool? Even during most of my music-listening life when I didn't like Tool, I never would have referred to them as nu metal.

White Zombie were also one of the godfathers of nu metal. Was listening to them a shitload back at that time.

Some other semi popular bands I don't think have been mentioned yet were hed(pe), Adema, Powerman 5000, and Taproot. I don't think any of them are particularly good (particularly Adema who were just a marketing exercise given the singer was Jonathan Davis' brother or cousin or something), but they all have an appeal if you're revisiting in purely nostalgic terms as they were all bandwagon bands, and so just sound as generically nu metal as it can get. Depends whether you want to discover great bands, or nostalgically wallow in the sound of the day.

As an aside, it is a fun exercise to do. The 'Night of the Comet' soundtrack (on Spotify) is a great one if you want to hear the absolute generic sounds of day-to-day 80s soft rock radio, without having to come across any of the usual suspects.

I just want to say that Green Day are a punk band. 100%. They started out in the underground and were around for a long time before Dookie shot them to fame. They aren't a bunch of chancers who jumped on a bandwagon.

Tool are not nu-metal.

Chat Pile are absolutely not nu-metal. There are some sonic similarities in the riffs, much in the same way as Godflesh (I don't play guitar so forgive the layman speak, I guess this is a tuning thing?). They are a noise or sludge band.

Aenima has a lot of the hallmarks with the chugging downtuned riffs and vocal style. Probably not applicable to the other albums to be fair about it but I got into Tool at the height of my nu buzz and thought they fitted in rather well with it all at the time, a bit smarter than most but still fitting with the sound of the time.

It's a rather wide term anyway, covering things from Limp Bizkit to Slipknot to SOAD to Incubus who don't really have much in common

OK so Chat Pile are not nu metal then, they just sound the exact same

Tool influenced a lot of later nu-metal but definitely aren't that themselves.  The hallmarks you'd see are from looking back at it through what they influenced.

Quote from: Mooncat on March 02, 2024, 07:15:21 PMWhite Zombie were also one of the godfathers of nu metal. Was listening to them a shitload back at that time.

Some other semi popular bands I don't think have been mentioned yet were hed(pe), Adema, Powerman 5000, and Taproot. I don't think any of them are particularly good (particularly Adema who were just a marketing exercise given the singer was Jonathan Davis' brother or cousin or something), but they all have an appeal if you're revisiting in purely nostalgic terms as they were all bandwagon bands, and so just sound as generically nu metal as it can get. Depends whether you want to discover great bands, or nostalgically wallow in the sound of the day.

As an aside, it is a fun exercise to do. The 'Night of the Comet' soundtrack (on Spotify) is a great one if you want to hear the absolute generic sounds of day-to-day 80s soft rock radio, without having to come across any of the usual suspects.

First hed(pe) album is decent I picked up a fresh copy of it not too long ago. Put Broke on YouTube and didn't last 3 songs though and I haven't heard anything after had.

I think the most generic of them all was Coal Chamber but Taproot and Jon Davis' half brother ran it very close

Quote from: ochoill on March 02, 2024, 08:20:39 PMTool influenced a lot of later nu-metal but definitely aren't that themselves.  The hallmarks you'd see are from looking back at it through what they influenced.

Stinkfist is basically a nu metal tune in all but name and my young self didn't see much difference between Aenima and what was being called nu in general other than it was a better album than most or all of it

Jeff Buckley - Eternal Life is nu metal so as well.

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Quote from: leatherface on March 02, 2024, 11:31:57 AM'Chop Suey' by SOAD annoys me a lot. Starts off kind of good then goes into this soft singing part abruptly, then something else, then something else, not interested in this band. EJECT.

Nu metal? Deftones win obviously.

I remember when Toxicity came out and it was played to fuckin death and one night I actually got into a scrap with a lad because he wanted to play it twice in a row and I could stand no more so I fucked the CD at him and off we went. Twas actually one of the lads out of iBurn and all, speaking of nu metal. Unfortunately for me the cunt is as strong as a horse and I got me shit pushed in but luckily we shook hands and continued the drinking and yoke taking after he knelt on my face  :laugh:

I have seen what Nu Metal can do, 'Just say no', on the other hand the riff in Korn's 'Blind' is still pretty, pretty good.

Quote from: open face surgery on March 02, 2024, 08:53:22 PMJeff Buckley - Eternal Life is nu metal so as well.

 :laugh: god tis, now you mention it! All he needed was the baggy jeans and a shot of eyeliner and he'd have been off to a flyer. He even had the obligatory 80s cover song on the album.

In fact I can really hear the Drowning Pool influence in there.

Jokes in poor taste aside, there's a few bands that are definitely not of the genre but who did dabble in the dark arts on occasion. Prong with Rude Awakening is one and luckily for me I worked backwards with them because I can only imagine the disappointment of being into them before that and finding that they released a full on nu metal album. I love it and all but twas some departure from the ripping stuff of old

I remember coming across this song back in the day, that singer has some set of pipes on him, esp in the chorus, pretty catchy ->

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJSz47keT8

That sounds like what I might be misremembering Disturbed sounding like. I really can't abide Disturbed  :laugh:

Tool are no more nu metal than Judas Priest are NWOBHM or Vemom are black metal. They might have influenced the sound but predated it themselves by a long period. Gibberish.

Quote from: Carnage on March 03, 2024, 01:46:11 AMTool are no more nu metal than Judas Priest are NWOBHM or Vemom are black metal. They might have influenced the sound but predated it themselves by a long period. Gibberish.

What are they so? I don't think Undertow counts and Aenima was 95 or 6 or 46 and 2 so I don't see how they pre-dated anything.

How would Undertow not count (as what, out of interest?), or Opiate for that matter? Both fully formed, and containing songs years old at time of release. Sober dates back to the late '80s, for instance. Well before nu metal was a glimmer in grunge's arsehole.

I don't think that anything off Opiate or Undertow sounds like nu metal is why I'm saying they don't count. Those ones are more like Grunge with a twist to me. I love a lot of the Tool stuff but a good bit of it feels like nu metal to me when I'm listening to it. Mostly Aenima and 10,000 Days but Lateralus and that new yoke as well just to a lesser extent.

First two not at all though

I see what you mean. I would never have classed Tool as a nu metal band but many of the riffs are super basic. I would have associated their sound as coming more from stoner rock in some ways rather than grunge, although there are similarities there as you can maybe draw a line from both genres directly back to Black Sabbath without much difficulty. I think it's the drumming and vocals that really elevate Tool because, yeah, a lot of the riffs are fairly background-ish. In terms of overall mood I think they were a million miles away from the likes of Korn though. Kind of minimal and dark dark, yet progressive rock?

Just finishing Opiate now and segueing into Undertow and I'm almost convinced. There's a similar level of simplicity to some of the songs and riffs but even allowing for that, they quickly evolve and seem to elevate beyond those basic elements to have a kind of subtlety that's entirely absent from most nu metal acts/tracks from the late '90s on. I know you were discounting those two releases but I don't hear the similarity in Ænima at all and no way is it there after that.

All that being said, I've been drinking for 8½ hours at this stage so what do I know?

Ball Tongue!*



*Those two words, said at the right time, gained me a girlfriend in '98 - nu metal is alright with me.

I've been watching all the Dynamo festival reports on YouTube. I'm up to 1998 boa and the shift in the bands that are covered is huge.
It's moved to the baggy jeans, bouncing sound coupled with symphonic metal stuff.
That label may be incorrect - a lady in a very fancy dress doing her bit while the band are playing rock music with a keyboardist singing as well. Night wish type stuff.

Quote from: Circlepit on March 03, 2024, 11:24:11 AMI've been watching all the Dynamo festival reports on YouTube. I'm up to 1998 boa and the shift in the bands that are covered is huge.
It's moved to the baggy jeans, bouncing sound coupled with symphonic metal stuff.
That label may be incorrect - a lady in a very fancy dress doing her bit while the band are playing rock music with a keyboardist singing as well. Night wish type stuff.

yeah it was very noticeable around then,i said it a few pages back,98 was the lowest point in metal!

I certainly felt like I came to a crossroads at that time. I thought that maybe I had finally "grown out of metal" like others around me had. I decided instead to start being a bit bolder and taking more chances on stuff purely on gut feeling, ie. Cool logo or artwork. I started getting into much more interesting music and the bouncy stuff began to recede from there. But in retrospect the late 90s was bleak alright. My taste changed so much over the subsequent 3 or 4 years and I kick myself for not being bolder when I was younger. Sherlukkit sez yew!

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 03, 2024, 12:03:10 PMI certainly felt like I came to a crossroads at that time. I thought that maybe I had finally "grown out of metal" like others around me had.

I was a bit similar to that,grim enough period,glad i ploughed on!

I wonder how many of us have went through that, thinking we'd grown out of metal only for it to worm its way back in shortly after? Has happened to me at least twice so far but I keep coming back.

Also trying to think of things released in 98 that I like but it's not coming to me

Quote from: astfgyl on March 03, 2024, 12:23:09 PMI wonder how many of us have went through that, thinking we'd grown out of metal only for it to worm its way back in shortly after? Has happened to me at least twice so far but I keep coming back.

Also trying to think of things released in 98 that I like but it's not coming to me

Very interesting question, for me it came down to music formats. I thought I was done with metal in the time between CDs being the main thing and Spotify kicking off. In the middle I had let my dad sell my CDs because I had moved out of home and didn't feel like dragging them around with me. Mp3s and iTunes I never found great, but Spotify reignited my interest.

Quote from: astfgyl on March 03, 2024, 12:23:09 PMI wonder how many of us have went through that, thinking we'd grown out of metal only for it to worm its way back in shortly after? Has happened to me at least twice so far but I keep coming back.

Also trying to think of things released in 98 that I like but it's not coming to me

Like when you go looking; there was plenty of decent releases in the underground.It was what was being pushed in mainstream metal is what was grim!.It just felt like traditional metal,the image,sound,feeling etc had eroded away around then.The baggy pants metal hammer era was in full swing!.Im a bit of a hypocrite here as from about the age 17 onwards I was dressing less and less like an out and metal head anyway! :laugh:

Quote from: astfgyl on March 03, 2024, 12:23:09 PMI wonder how many of us have went through that, thinking we'd grown out of metal only for it to worm its way back in shortly after?

Definitely happened to me. Around Leaving Cert. ('94) my interest dwindled greatly to the point that I sold all my CDs & tapes. Listened to a lot of punk, indie, electronic stuff then and didn't pay much attwntion to metal for abouy 20 years, bar picking up the odd magazine and buying smnething that sounded interesting. Kicking myself now, once I hit 40 and the midlife crisis kicked it I went back to the stuff I poved then and took it from there but there was a lot of ground to make up.

For a while it wakes for me, listened more to Radiohead and the likes. It was short lived amd culminated with going to see Radiohead is Galway. They were supported by The Cardigans and other similar types.
It was pretty much on that day I knew my heart and soul needed flames, screaming, double kick drums etc.
Thankfully I hadn't sold anything off so it was a seamless shift back to normal services.

That Radiohead gig was deadly in fairness. I was quite surprised to hear The Cardigans playing Sabbath covers.

I went the way of getting rid of all my cds to a lad and was just streaming and downloading stuff for several years.

Ended up getting a load of em back off him a couple of weeks ago and have been steadily buying back a collection for the last few years.

It was mostly when Post Metal was all over the place but i was listening to nearly anything other than metal for ages and then one day I just got the urge back and fucked on a bit of SYL and Sepultura and I was off again and going steady ever since. In fact I like it more now than I ever did I'd say.

That was the last time but I flirted with getting mad into dance music at one stage too when I was younger but that didn't last as long.

Edit: A good shot of the stuff I was into during the non metal times has stuck too,  like the likes of Radiohead for example

I still dipp in and out of a bit of dance music.I dismissed Grunge for the most part in my teens,as i was Death metal obsessed,a few of my close friends were Grunge mad at the time.Its was only in the mid 2000s  that I gave the likes of Alice in chains,Pearl Jam and Soundgarden a proper go.

Have Limp Bizkit - Results May Vary on here. Don't think I've ever heard it all before. It's not bad.

In keeping with Astfgyls request, Skinlab. Revolting room is a great nu metal album.
Re. 1998 - the first Soulfly album, the rest of them are fair mucky but their first is a vicious little fucker.

I saw Skinlab live twice back then. I thought they were alright but just like a heavier Machine Head so I never bought anything by them.

QuoteI saw Skinlab live twice back then

Ah Skinlab, pretty poor alright. Seen them a couple of times myself. Steev Esquivel was in a half decent thrash band called Defiance, I still spin that stuff from time to time. Often wonder did those lads literally just up sticks and form the likes of Skinlab with the actual intent of riding Machine Head, Korn or whatever's coat-tails?

Seen Skinlab a few times too,they supported someone in Dublin,and they did a gig on Cork to at some point back then!

Edit : they supported Entombed

That's right, I remember the Entombed show because Medulla Nocte went on before them and were utterly ferocious, I thought even at the  time that Skinlab were a joke.

Quote from: Pagan Saviour on March 04, 2024, 07:54:08 AMThat's right, I remember the Entombed show because Medulla Nocte went on before them and were utterly ferocious, I thought even at the  time that Skinlab were a joke.

Yeah they werent my cup of tea,Loved Medulla Nocte back then i must say,saw them a few times aswell!.

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 01, 2024, 10:35:25 AMClawfinger pre-date the movement being more of a poor man's Rage Against the Machine. First wave nu metal?  :laugh:

You're the real nagger!

:)  :) 100% Love it

Was never into 'Nu Metal' about as close as I got would be Sepultura's 'Roots' and 3 songs off Korn's first album. Then back to Nevermore, Paradise Lost, Pantera etc

I do recall the 1st Korn album coming out, 'Blind and 'Shoots and Ladders' being played and my kitchen being smashed to bits in a mosh pit. The floor looked like the floor from the SFX after a rucas.

But yeah, never got it and I know its a load of loosely associated bands lumped together by music industry insiders and the weird Metal Hammer UK writers.

Just did a bit of googling ref Medulla nocte,any of you remember this banger of a gig in Dorans?.What a mix of styles in that line up!

Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 04, 2024, 12:49:02 AMIn keeping with Astfgyls request, Skinlab. Revolting room is a great nu metal album.
Re. 1998 - the first Soulfly album, the rest of them are fair mucky but their first is a vicious little fucker.

Used to have a Skinlab album that I listened the shit out of back in the day. I'll have to look up the name but iirc it had one of those Dave McKean covers on it. Must dig it up on youtube and see if I still like it. Sound

Quote from: Paul keohane on March 04, 2024, 08:22:52 AMJust did a bit of googling ref Medulla nocte,any of you remember this banger of a gig in Dorans?.What a mix of styles in that line up!

I saw Medulla Nocte twice. On The Haunted tour in Doran's and a gig in Slattery's. Possibly supporting Ensign...

They weren't nu metal though, more dark metallic hardcore.

Quotegig in Slattery's

Gig in Slattery's was a headline show with 2000 Strong, Cotnrol and a dreadful Irish Nu-Metal band called Ruffhouse supporting.

QuoteThey weren't nu metal though, more dark metallic hardcore.

Only brought them into the mix to say how shit Skinlab were in comparison at that Entombed gig  :)


And yeah, that Haunted afternoon gig was the business. Can't believe The Crown were on that bill too, what a treat!

Ruffhouse dudes used to be Skinfather, who supported FF, and before that were a death metal band called Synapse. They were shite, but I thought they were cool as a teenager, probably because of their elder status as much as anything else.

I never liked The Crown,  but Crown of Thorns (as they were called before or was that another band?) had a cool song and vid on HBB back in the day.

Never liked The Haunted either but went along because a couple of mates did.

MN were grand. Good live but not interesting enough for me to make a purchase.

Ah MN are essential - I play the two albums fairly frequently. The first suffers from poor production values but Dying From The Inside is worth further evaluation.

Quote from: Paul keohane on March 04, 2024, 08:22:52 AMJust did a bit of googling ref Medulla nocte,any of you remember this banger of a gig in Dorans?.What a mix of styles in that line up!

Apologies for the thread hijack but came across these over the weekend - from the gig above :abbath:

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Just to add - my first 'big' gig was Korn in the SFX. Was mad into them on the first album.

Great day. Haunted did an in-store signing (Remember those?) in Tower after too.

Ah class!

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 04, 2024, 09:45:52 AMRuffhouse dudes used to be Skinfather, who supported FF, and before that were a death metal band called Synapse. They were shite, but I thought they were cool as a teenager, probably because of their elder status as much as anything else.

I had two synapse demos back in the day,cant remember them being that bad?

I can't comment on Synapse. I think I heard a demo online fifteen or twenty years ago. Ruffhouse were the epitome of nu metal bandwagon jumpers. Strange that they already had a foot or two in the underground and jumped ship. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall for more traditional metal styles as the 90s wore on and thought they'd never get anywhere playing death metal. I must go and listen to Synapse again. I remember thinking Skinfather were really good at the FF gig but never saw a demo for sale in Sound Cellar, if they ever even recorded one, so no real memory now of what they played. To my young, not very experienced ears they sounded like death metal but who knows.

Medulla Nocte played Cork a few times I'm sure. Never got to see them for some reason. They were a savage band. Particularly the second album. Most of what Paul Catten was involved in was brilliant.
He did a doom type thing called Lazarus Black Star or something similar.
It may not have been doom at all.
I love the Murder One album he is on as well. Not Nu Metal but they came up a couple of posts back.

Quote from: Circlepit on March 04, 2024, 10:54:55 AMMedulla Nocte played Cork a few times I'm sure. Never got to see them for some reason. They were a savage band. Particularly the second album. Most of what Paul Catten was involved in was brilliant.
He did a doom type thing called Lazarus Black Star or something similar.
It may not have been doom at all.
I love the Murder One album he is on as well. Not Nu Metal but they came up a couple of posts back.

They played The Phoenix one time definitely,can remember it being a mental gig.The Drummer squeezing up the stairs stands out too!

Jammer? Didn't he die?

He did unfortunately, car crash. 

I think the Jammer fella that died was the tie in with Murder One. Paul Catten and Frank Loughlin from Speedhorn singing with other fellas.

Quote from: Paul keohane on March 04, 2024, 08:22:52 AMJust did a bit of googling ref Medulla nocte,any of you remember this banger of a gig in Dorans?.What a mix of styles in that line up!

I was at this in Dorans, The Crown rocked, the bass player was class, very much Cliff Burton inspired!

Apologies (pic didn't travel) this is the Haunted gig in 2000, it was class!

Korn - blind. still class.

This Limp Bizkit EP is great. 5 very good songs out of the 7 tracks and sees them veer in a direction that I wouldn't expect from their general output.

This one sounds almost like noise rock. Might be of interest to lads who use Chat Pile as a comfort blanket lol


Dunno why the video won't embed but it's a great track anyway with darker than usual lyrics. Hard to imagine it's the same lads who released Rollin, which is as bad as songs get tbf.

Quote from: astfgyl on March 04, 2024, 10:32:14 PMDunno why the video won't embed

That Youtube embed button has been chopping off the first parts of links for me so I've had to embed them manually.

Yours looks like this
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Quote from: jpm4 on March 01, 2024, 08:00:51 PMRemember Tura Satana and Human Waste Project? Kerrang were pushing them like mad for a year or so.

First album I ever owned on CD was the first Korn record, it was the first really heavy music I bought around the same time it came out so I have a lot of nostalgia for it. But after a year or so I moved onto other things and never revisit it these days.

Said it elsewhere, HWP were great and were closer to something like a heavier Jane's Addiction than Nu Metal. Still love Deftones who've also completely transcended this tag.

I found the first Korn lp and follow up to be very exciting at the time given it sounded like Faith No More playing Godflesh songs, have gone back to them recently enough as my daughter is a big fan and they hold up well compared to what followed. Again, given I was finding death/black metal tedious  and my tastes had expanded in general to embrace a number of other musical things (particularly Bad Brains' "I Against I" - "Reignition" in particular which i reckon is underrated as a template for some of the Nu Metal stuff) , stuff like Korn and Fear Factor definitely did feel like a breath of fresh air to me at the time for heavier music, though that became stale remarkably quickly.

Also I'm old enough to have lived through the Funk metal era, and I had that LAPD 12" before Korn bizarrely enough, only found out the connection later.

Quote from: Pentagrimes on March 05, 2024, 01:28:20 PMI found the first Korn lp and follow up to be very exciting at the time given it sounded like Faith No More playing Godflesh songs, have gone back to them recently enough as my daughter is a big fan and they hold up well compared to what followed.

Revisited the first Korn and Life is Peachy recently and found them both to have held up surprisingly well. Dark and very heavy. Completely went to pot with the third album, which is when they were obv aiming for serious MTV airtime and were doing retarded collabs with Limp Bizkit.

Funnily enough Nu metal got me and the wife into trouble on honeymoon. Staying in a semi detached villa on Santorini, we were well pished by evening time and decided to have a night of 90s karaoke.

Took a look out the window at the neighbours and there were no lights on so we though game on, let's go biccies.

At some point they came in for the night, we didn't hear due to the loudness of the singalong. They happily sat through Paradise Lost, Therapy, Wildhearts, Terrorvision etc but eventually started going mental hammering on the wall shouting for us to fuck up.

The song that tipped them over?

Limp Bizkit's Break Stuff.

 :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:  it was just one of those days

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Quote from: astfgyl on March 04, 2024, 10:32:14 PMDunno why the video won't embed

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Ah cool man nice one  8)

So having given the last few days running through some Limp Bizkit albums, it turns out the only two I don't like are 3 dollar bill y'all and chocolate starfish..

I think the rest of it is pretty decent and on the whole they're a bit underrated. They're decent players with a real knack for a catchy pop tune and there's far more depth to their discography than Korn or indeed any of the rest of the nu crowd other than Deftones.

I would go..

Deftones
Limp Bizkit
Korn

Although the first Korn album in itself is something special, on the whole they are a lot weaker than other two mentioned.

Lad, I'm on board with the whole guilty pleasure thing as much as the next man, but if you are honestly trying to put fuckin' Limp Bizkit and  depth in the same sentence, then please tell us what shit you're smoking at the moment

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 06:50:11 PMLad, I'm on board with the whole guilty pleasure thing as much as the next man, but if you are honestly trying to put fuckin' Limp Bizkit and  depth in the same sentence, then please tell us what shit you're smoking at the moment

Yes, John Player Blue from Gibraltar.

Yeah, Korn just made the one song mostly but Limp Bizkit have lots of different things they can do and a range of subject matter ranging from "keep rolling etc" to priests fucking young boys or blokes stalking women. There's a lot in there and I doubt you've heard half the stuff to assert that there's no depth to any of it. Yeah the fun skits are not fun but they are a lot better than that once one digs in.

Judging them by the singles is like judging The Cure by Love Cats or Friday... and while The Cure have lots of silly tunes like those it's not really what they're all about. Saying that I really like the silly side of a band like The Cure but it's just a rough comparison and the balance is indeed far more skewed towards the silly stuff when it comes to Limp Bizkit so yeah some apples and orange but I stand by saying that the Bizkit have far more to em than people realise.

Now I think I'll have a joint and listen to Still Sucks again because it's great fun

It's not even a guilty pleasure for me any more than Deftones are, I just like it and think it's good music that is unfairly maligned a lot of the time.

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Yeah, Limp Bizkit just made the one song mostly but Korn have lots of different things they can do and a range of subject matter ranging from "You not rrrh rot dot n dot n dot per rot dot n not n dot per n dot chi cot n dot rrr ah dot dot ki o ma gri a dot dot ers a pa ta ko some play to we" to parents fucking young boys or blokes calling other blokes faggots. There's a lot in there and I doubt you've heard half the stuff to assert that there's no depth to any of it. Yeah the fun skits are not fun but they are a lot better than that once one digs in.

Hey look, I'm being flippant of course but you're entering silly territory here if you're even half suggesting a parallel between Limp Bizkit and the Cure.

Quote from: astfgyl on March 05, 2024, 06:41:23 PMSo having given the last few days running through some Limp Bizkit albums, it turns out the only two I don't like are 3 dollar bill y'all and chocolate starfish..

Ah c'mon, what about Take a Look Around!

I tried linking it there but the embed isn't working for me either. Maybe just ignore that advice I gave you earlier  :laugh:

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:19:36 PMKorn have lots of different things they can do and a range of subject matter ranging from "You not rrrh rot dot n dot n dot per rot dot n not n dot per n dot chi cot n dot rrr ah dot dot ki o ma gri a dot dot ers a pa ta ko some play to we"

It's a joy to see Korn still screaming gibberish after all these years  :abbath:

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:25:07 PMHey look, I'm being flippant of course but you're entering silly territory here if you're even half suggesting a parallel between Limp Bizkit and the Cure.

No, I thought I explained that in the last post. The only comparison is that if you only heard Love Cats you wouldn't know about anything about Disintegration and if you only heard Rollin then you wouldn't know about The Priest. That's as far as that goes because LB are one of the few nu lads that don't seem to have a lot of the 80s pop about them other than the George Michael cover they did on the first album. They have nothing at all in common those two bands other than that I really like both of em

Quote from: The Butcher on March 05, 2024, 09:30:10 PM

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:19:36 PMKorn have lots of different things they can do and a range of subject matter ranging from "You not rrrh rot dot n dot n dot per rot dot n not n dot per n dot chi cot n dot rrr ah dot dot ki o ma gri a dot dot ers a pa ta ko some play to we"

It's a joy to see Korn still screaming gibberish after all these years  :abbath:

Fair enough  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Could never take to Deftones myself, annoying whiney shite to my ears, that being said I like Coal Chamber, who seem to be much maligned by all and sundry.
Limp Bizkit are good auld craic at a party or the like but I've never really listened to them properly, going by what the bauld Astfgyl said above I must give them a bit of attention.
Korn are good enough in small doses. Life Is Peachy is enjoyable about once every 3 years.
Top three for me would be Slipknot
                          Mudvayne
                          Static X

The award for worst nu metal band goes to Mushroomhead. Shocking shite alltogether.

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:19:36 PMYeah, Limp Bizkit just made the one song mostly but Korn have lots of different things they can do and a range of subject matter ranging from "You not rrrh rot dot n dot n dot per rot dot n not n dot per n dot chi cot n dot rrr ah dot dot ki o ma gri a dot dot ers a pa ta ko some play to we" to parents fucking young boys or blokes calling other blokes faggots. There's a lot in there and I doubt you've heard half the stuff to assert that there's no depth to any of it. Yeah the fun skits are not fun but they are a lot better than that once one digs in.

Had to read that twice but yeah I'll allow it  :laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:

Quote from: son of the Morrigan on March 05, 2024, 10:08:23 PMCould never take to Deftones myself, annoying whiney shite to my ears, that being said I like Coal Chamber, who seem to be much maligned by all and sundry.
Limp Bizkit are good auld craic at a party or the like but I've never really listened to them properly, going by what the bauld Astfgyl said above I must give them a bit of attention.
Korn are good enough in small doses. Life Is Peachy is enjoyable about once every 3 years.
Top three for me would be Slipknot
                          Mudvayne
                          Static X

The award for worst nu metal band goes to Mushroomhead. Shocking shite alltogether.

I was hoping this thread wouldn't get into it but it's the English stuff or maybe even any of the non USA ones that are the worst. Worse than anything even mushroomhead could inflict.

Then again I love 2 of the One Minute Silence albums

Edit: Coal Chamber always felt the cheapest to me. Well until Devildriver got going..

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:25:07 PMHey look, I'm being flippant of course but you're entering silly territory here if you're even half suggesting a parallel between Limp Bizkit and the Cure.

https://youtu.be/kxzFvbKNTqY?feature=shared

Tried embedding no joy, but who does this remind me of, I can't think of it

Quote from: astfgyl on March 10, 2024, 06:15:41 PM

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:25:07 PMHey look, I'm being flippant of course but you're entering silly territory here if you're even half suggesting a parallel between Limp Bizkit and the Cure.

https://youtu.be/kxzFvbKNTqY?feature=shared

Tried embedding no joy, but who does this remind me of, I can't think of it

I think you might be thinking of Stone Roses - Waterfall

EDIT: It also has vibes of the Crazy Town - Butterfly bassline (or RHCP - Pretty Little Ditty, if you prefer)

Quote from: Mooncat on March 11, 2024, 10:36:21 PM

Quote from: astfgyl on March 10, 2024, 06:15:41 PM

Quote from: John Kimble on March 05, 2024, 08:25:07 PMHey look, I'm being flippant of course but you're entering silly territory here if you're even half suggesting a parallel between Limp Bizkit and the Cure.

https://youtu.be/kxzFvbKNTqY?feature=shared

Tried embedding no joy, but who does this remind me of, I can't think of it

I think you might be thinking of Stone Roses - Waterfall

EDIT: It also has vibes of the Crazy Town - Butterfly bassline (or RHCP - Pretty Little Ditty, if you prefer)

I was also thinking they were doing their best to rip off a guitar line from The Cure but it does fit those other descriptions as well

Dunno who it reminds me of tbh but one thing for sure, it fucking sucks

Sounds like a love song written by an incel about a female anime character

Quote from: John Kimble on March 12, 2024, 06:36:39 PMDunno who it reminds me of tbh but one thing for sure, it fucking sucks

Sounds like a love song written by an incel about a female anime character

Still Sucks is another decent album actually and I don't know what an incel is because I never looked it up.

I didn't listen to the lyrics of that one either, I was just pointing out how they ripped on The Cure guitar sound and I have no bother standing over Limp Bizkit being no less cool than any of the Lord of the Rings fantasy metal stuff on offer that lads here have no bother recommending in the now listening thread. Or any other nu metal either because we may all face up to the fact that none of the stuff on here is "cool".

In fact, is anything cool at all really or do we just like what we like? I listen to plenty of pop music as well as the metal so I've abandoned cool a long time ago

Thinking about it all here and I reckon Katatonia would fairly be described as nu metal as well since about Last Fair Deal Gone Down and lots of people on here have no bother with them, which I guess is down to the old stuff not being nu

While I don't think I could stomach a full album from any of the bands mentioned in this thread it strikes me that there is a pretty class playlist to be made from the handful of daycent songs each band has.

Probably later than the original wave of Nu Metal mentioned but Slipknot's Vol 3. Subliminal Verses was massive for me in primary school, listening back of some of it it's pretty easy to see why I transitioned to death metal so quick, listen to the blasts at the start of this, sounds like Devourment  :laugh:
 
https://youtu.be/3deDNMr12rQ?si=NBb8oOezdzIvQWhQ

What a drummer Joey Jordison was.

Quote from: Mithrandir on March 14, 2024, 10:58:00 PMProbably later than the original wave of Nu Metal mentioned but Slipknot's Vol 3. Subliminal Verses was massive for me in primary school, listening back of some of it it's pretty easy to see why I transitioned to death metal so quick, listen to the blasts at the start of this, sounds like Devourment  :laugh:
 
https://youtu.be/3deDNMr12rQ?si=NBb8oOezdzIvQWhQ

What a drummer Joey Jordison was.

I should actually give this one another go. I remember thinking the production was cool but Corey Taylor was annoying me by then with the Stone Sour thing

Quote from: Born of Fire on March 14, 2024, 06:16:52 PMWhile I don't think I could stomach a full album from any of the bands mentioned in this thread it strikes me that there is a pretty class playlist to be made from the handful of daycent songs each band has.

Good idea and tbf there's none I can think of that doesn't have at least one absolute stinker on it outside of Deftones

OK is there a more defining nu metal album than Korn - Life Is Peachy?

Arguments welcome but I doubt I'll have too many other than the first Korn one or Deftones 2nd or 3rd one

Edit: while not being a defining as the aforementioned, Deftones' self titled is the best of the lot for me and I would welcome the arguments against that as well

Edit again: I also reckon that the track Hexagram opening the self titled Deftones album was the track that finally grew them out beyond the confines of the both fairly and unfairly maligned nu metal movement as a whole.

Discuss?

Fuck it I'll come up with my own response if left long enough lol

The only nu metal album I could happily sit through these days is the SOAD debut. I think the first Deftones album was a decent post hardcore kind of thing but I'm not sure how well it has aged and all of their "mature" stuff since Around the Fur was boring. Korn... dunno. Some cool songs that might pull it through for me. I don't think anything else stands the test of time.

Also, there might be a strong argument to be made that the first SOAD album is really just a punk record in disguise.

Have heard that Darren the SOAD guitarist two favourite bands were Beatles and deicide. Which makes a lot of sense when you listen to the first couple of records.

I could never get on board with SOAD, I found them supremely annoying. I can appreciate that they were doing something really different though and the band was talented.

Could never get into Linkin Park either, though all the proto-emo kids in my school worshipped them.

Recently came across the song Click Click Boom by Saliva. Everything that was wrong with nu-metal, but holy shit was it catchy. I'll admit to listening to it a few times while drinking the other night  :laugh:

I still give the first SOAD the odd whirl but I wouldn't be mad about Serj's vocals. Agree with the general sentiment that a lot of the genre (as loose as that is) doesn't hold up but Deftones self titled is the peak of it all for me. I'd dip in and out of the nu stuff in general and while I often find myself digging out something I'd forgotten it wouldn't stick most of the time and the once would do it really.

Reading the thread here I still think it pretty much boils down to Deftones, Limp Bizkit and Korn as the only ones with a few decent albums and lots of others who have one or two decent releases but went bad after that. Stuff like Static X, Mudvayne, Sevendust, SOAD I like a bit of but couldn't get on board with most of.

Top 3 albums of it all for me would be

Korn - Korn
Deftones - Deftones
Limp Bizkit - Significant Other

Those three for me are simply great albums regardless of the genre thing and I listen to them often enough because I like them rather than any nostalgia thing.

Did give Life is Peachy a run the other night and enjoyed it too though it's better than I remember

Here's one that hasn't even been mentioned here:

Team Sleep. I love that album. The Woodstock Sessions live one is also great but very different to the album. Pity they hadn't made more but I suppose we have Crosses to fill that gap now

Quote from: nukeabuse on March 21, 2024, 10:22:15 PMHave heard that Darren the SOAD guitarist two favourite bands were Beatles and deicide. Which makes a lot of sense when you listen to the first couple of records.

I used to wonder where they got their sound until I got into Primus recently, SOAD is pure primus worship to my lugs.
Half the songs on the first few albums are a mash-up of Too Many Puppies, Gerry Was A Race Car Driver and Lacquer Head.
That's not to take from SOAD now like, I really enjoy their first few, Toxicity is a fucking unreal album.

Never deep dived primus despite liking the singles, but from what I've heard that comparison makes sense for the bonkers choices both bands make in certain parts. Im a big fan of system but can't thing of any band before or after that really sound close to them at all.

I would argue that there some borderline death metal parts on the first album.


First bands I properly got into where of the nu metal persuasion, first album was a linkin park rec. But only thing I can imagine holding up from then would be possibly first 2 slipknot recs and some Korn tracks although haven't tested either in years.

Never was a limp Bizkit fan even then, but am very tempted to go see them live this summer, rail some lines and kick a man in the chest to break stuff. Can't not be a good time

I'm trying to talk a lad into heading to Limp Bizkit in Belfast as we speak

Sorry (not really) to bump this thread; but I enjoyed reading through it there & just had to. I'm sure it annoys the hell out of the GoatPenis & Mortuary Drape fans. "nu" is almost like a forbidden word to the Trve! :abbath:

But yeah I admit freely & proudly even- I grew up on KoRn & Slipknot & a lot of nu-metal & still enjoy Break Stuff so fuck off before I chainsaw your ass raw or whatever the fuck the cunt says. I just turned 39- I was born in 85, so I was 15 in the year 2000 & a very impressionable young man. Before nu-metal I was kinda into Nirvana & just discovered Metallica & Black Sabbath etc...but my main exposure and way to hear & find metal was through getting the Kerrang! mags & watching predominantly nu-metal music videos on their tv channel; along with MTV2 etc. So yeah as much as I've grown to love a lot more "deeper" or "mature" or whatever music & incredible prog stuff like King Crimson or insane tech death or even the virtues of slimy manky obscure death/black hybrid bands like PORTAL......I still enjoy a lot of the music from that era with great nostalgia.

But yes, the main reason I had to reply & bump this thread....I must bring up & humbly highly suggest a gem of an album I rarely see mentioned. I fuckin love this album to death; & I think it's secretly the best nu-metal record from that era. It has the nu groove, tone, production etc; but kinda grungey Alice In Chains & maybe a bit of Metallica Load/ReLoad era vibez goin on

Vision of Disorder - From Bliss to Devastation (2001) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Bliss_to_Devastation)
(https://e-cdn-images.dzcdn.net/images/cover/565cc393f09d5e87fef6b2ff65119a51/500x500-000000-80-0-0.jpg)
full album on the youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G75yd4kaM-Y&t=899s)

Another 1 or 2 that are deadly & I still go back to I can think of right now are

The Union Underground - ...An Education In Rebellion (2001) (+their song "Across The Nation" also, from a WWF soundtrack is the business)
Stereomud - Perfect Self (2001) (likewise their song "End Of Everything" from a WWF soundtrack-maybe the same 1?- is deadly)
Neurotica - Neurotica (2002) (Kelly Shaefer, vocalist of ATHEIST band! pretty decent; I like his vocals.)


Also, I think it's worth mentioning;..99% of the "Metalcore" of today and the last decade or 2 goes totally over me head altogether- and just clearly is not for me or perhaps most of my generation, but the odd new band that's doing a kind of hybrid mix of old school nu-metal with metalcore/deathcore/hardcore twists are really doing some interesting shit. I highly suggest checkin out bands like Tallah, Cane Hill, DEALER !, Alpha Wolf, LOATHE, black coast, vein;fm, DARKO (DARKO is more prog-deathcore or whatever than much nu but they fit in with these bands comfortably- I think this band is insanely good to be fuckin honest)

I remember hearing the first Korn album at the time and thinking "this is something different" but I couldn't take to them at all. And the more I heard and saw them, the more annoying they became.

Friends of mine did like Deftones, who I didn't mind so much, but they were one of the bands that were overplayed when we having a session or whatever, like fucking Tool, or Nine Inch Nails, or the Alice In Chains unplugged album, and frankly, like the whole Nirvana and Pearl Jam thing, I'd be happy if I never heard any of that stuff again. System Of A Down had some interesting riffs, but I fucking HATED that vocalist with all of that forced goofy bullshit and "pogo pogo pogo" shite.   
 
At that point, aside from classic metal and extreme metal (and the likes of Slough Feg) I was diving fully into 70's bands, so nu-metal couldn't have been further away from what I was enjoying at the time anyway. 

All of the other nu-metal bands I heard I thought were daft, lumpen shite. I fucking hated the whole culture at the time, the music, the aesthetic, the clothing, the lyrics, everything, and I still don't get it. I understand it was a "gateway" for younger fans, but I couldn't fathom what the fuck people saw in that scene at all. It seemed as daft as any of the late 80's Timotei advert bands like Slaughter, and at least those bands, limp and contrived as they were, had obviously talented guitarists or whatever.   

I went to see the original Sabbath at Ozzfest in 2001, and most of the support bands were nu-metal. One of my mates was into the Slipknot album that came out at the time, and even he thought they were awful that day. Mind you, to be fair, all you could hear was the percussionist and the wonky headed fucker on vocals. And Disturbed were there, driving around on a golf cart, looking to see who noticed and recognized them. Bunch of absolute fannies.

I remember sitting on the embankment, completely off my face, looking at Papa Roach, or that "nu-glam" band Pure Rubbish and feeling like I was in fucking hell. I'd have been more comfortable heading up the Nùng River to visit Colonel Kurtz at that point. Were it not for the fact I saw Sabbath, I would have counted it among the worst experiences of my life.

From Bliss To Devastation is a great record. More Soundgarden influenced in parts than Nu, but plenty of detuned bounce riffs throughout.

Had that VoD album knocking about for years but I preferred the first one. First track on From Bliss is great though iirc.(been a long time)

Funny that Sepultura didn't make it in here with Roots. Like there's no doubting it's nu metal but nobody is in saying it's good. Just a random thought while I was listening to schizophrenia there

Quote from: astfgyl on May 19, 2024, 10:06:06 AMFunny that Sepultura didn't make it in here with Roots. Like there's no doubting it's nu metal but nobody is in saying it's good. Just a random thought while I was listening to schizophrenia there

I wouldn't say it's an all out nu metal record aside from a few riffs.

Roots biggest issue is that it was far too bloated at an hour long(as were all the top tier bands albums at the time).

Hack 20 mins off it and it's a stronger album.

Quote from: astfgyl on May 19, 2024, 09:39:49 AMHad that VoD album knocking about for years but I preferred the first one. First track on From Bliss is great though iirc.(been a long time)

Imprint is still their masterpiece. Absolutely vicious record.

Jaysus is Roots only an hour long? Feels like double that at least!

As for VoD yep imprint is ripping I may get that out again soon if I think of it

Was it Vision of Disorder that played around the corner from Fibbers in the basement?
Defo seen them around the time of Imprint...................

Limp Bizkit's latest album - Still Sucks is actually great craic. Had it on there earlier and it's unashamedly stupid but still the tunes are actually good.

Since Cleansing by Prong turned 30 the other day I had it on and if there was ever a lad that could have gone after Nu Metal bands for riff theft it's Tommy Victor.

One for the Korn fans here.
Came across a band called Chaoseum on the YouTube (I cant do those linky things, sorry now)
If ya want to listen to Korn, but not listen to Korn, these are the lads for you.

Quote from: son of the Morrigan on June 11, 2024, 02:44:21 AMOne for the Korn fans here.
Came across a band called Chaoseum on the YouTube (I cant do those linky things, sorry now)
If ya want to listen to Korn, but not listen to Korn, these are the lads for you.

Davis & Munky'd want to get on to the lawyers with some of the theft there!

Quote from: Sworntothecans on June 11, 2024, 09:11:11 AM

Quote from: son of the Morrigan on June 11, 2024, 02:44:21 AMOne for the Korn fans here.
Came across a band called Chaoseum on the YouTube (I cant do those linky things, sorry now)
If ya want to listen to Korn, but not listen to Korn, these are the lads for you.

Davis & Munky'd want to get on to the lawyers with some of the theft there!

 :laugh: , They're really pulling the piss allright.
Grey Stag are mildly influenced by Mastodon in comparison.

Jeepers, if I had heard Chaotian and didn't know it wasn't Korn I wouldn't have known it wasn't Korn.

Ah lads that's ridiculous. A shit version of Korn, you say? Ah no yer grand thanks the real Korn already have more bad albums than good ones so there's definitely no need for another one.

I called this coming when the last gojira album came out

Spineshank are back to get in on the numetal revival money! :laugh:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/spineshank-announces-revamped-lineup-for-the-height-of-callousness-25th-anniversary-shows

Quote from: Trev on February 01, 2025, 12:06:31 PMSpineshank are back to get in on the numetal revival money! :laugh:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/spineshank-announces-revamped-lineup-for-the-height-of-callousness-25th-anniversary-shows

I actually really liked that album back in the day. Remember listening to it as a teen in the background while reading Resident Evil novels, good times. I'd probably go to this if it came nearby, but post-covid nobody comes to Edmonton anymore. It's like Ireland in the 90s...

I have that album somewhere, digipak job. Didn't think much of it even then, a couple of decent tracks aside.

New Disease is an absolute banger.

Yer man Garza from Suicide Silence has had a few of the Nu Metal lads on the podcast, and the interviews have been pretty good, worth sticking on for background tv.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHSIBjRuEek/?igsh=NGg4dTd5OTYyYndp

Quote from: Trev on February 01, 2025, 12:06:31 PMSpineshank are back to get in on the numetal revival money! :laugh:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/spineshank-announces-revamped-lineup-for-the-height-of-callousness-25th-anniversary-shows

I actually like that album about once every five years or so. For what it was it wasn't bad. Wouldn't be going to a show or anything but there's far worse out there

I liked that video of Rick Beato dissecting that korn song. Did make me think of it in a different way esp in a post grunge era.

Also made me think there's some untapped potential in that korn sound that even they never fully explored or any other bands after them. Hard to explain because 90% of what you instantly think as nu metal is shite  :laugh:

When I heard Korn first I thought it was a revelation. More the production than anything else, the thrash/DM stuff that was my mainstay at the time had become a bit thin by compa4ison, so the bass heavy sound of that first Korn album was very welcome. Even the s/t Slipknot album excited me at the time, it sounded like they were doing something interesting with a death metal-esque sound. Now they (Korn) and the genre itself went to shit fairly quickly when it all exploded, but yeah - plenty of potential, certainly.

The production values on Follow the Leader are actually really good. There's a lot going on with layers of guitars and effects/ keyboard.  Conceptually it is hard to get on board with much of that stuff these days as the angst is aimed at teenage minds (unlike the highly sophisticated satanic guff I still listen to too much of  :P ). I think in fairness to em, Korn were a lot more sophisticated musically than many of their peers. That said, I still haven't revisited them since the 90s. They were very unique and original when they came out, though. Even when you put them beside the likes of RATM who had many similarities.

I was just too late for it all really, Korn's debut came out not long after I'd done my Leaving Cert. so I was still fairly immature then, but just getting over the teen angst phase. Enjoyed a few of their albums nonetheless but when Untouchables came along I lost interest. I saw them on that tour and they weren't the best, whereas between the firat two albums they were might live.

I doubt I could sit through an album nowadays, definitely not Life Is Peachy, which was shite then.

I throw on a bit of Korn every now and then but I don't go past Issues. It's grand if I'm in the mood for it but it obviously made more of an impression when I was about 14 or 15 even though I couldn't exactly relate to parental angst having grown up in a completely normal house.

I suppose it could be thought of like any other genre really, like how many shit thrash and death and black metal bands are there? It doesn't mean the whole idea is bad, it just means a lot of it was record company pushed and very poorly executed is all

Being in my mid 20s when nu metal first kicked in I hated every minute of it all and could not for the life of me get into it. At the sane time a few younger metalheads I knew at the time thought it was the best thing ever.

I was maybe 13 when Korn and Deftones came on the scene, so ripe for the picking  :laugh:

Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 26, 2025, 10:19:57 PMthe angst is aimed at teenage minds (unlike the highly sophisticated satanic guff I still listen to too much of  :P ).

 :laugh: lyrically I always saw nu-metal as the next dumbed down step post grunge. So many vocalists suffocating, drowning, sick or diseased  :laugh:  :laugh: something was in the water in the late 90s.

I think my first taste of nu metal was Headbangers Ball and Vanessa Warwick pissing herself with excitement about a new bank called Korn and their single Blind, I thought right this should be interesting, and within a minute I knew it wasn't for me. I think the only thing I ever enjoyed in the whole nu metal era was a song that Korn release called "Right Now" but I think that also had a lot to do with the fucked up but entertaining video.

Now this is from an ardent fan of 80's glam metal so I'm well used to having people shitting on genres I like, they don't get glam, I don't get nu metal, pools panel - score draw

First cd I ever owned was the first Korn album. I still have a lot of time for the first 3 albums but by 1999 I had moved onto other things.

Never cared for Korn, but they definitely had a good rhythm section. That slap/muting thing going on with the bass is pretty cool.

Nu-metal was everything that I fucking hated in music replacing all that I loved. So much of the music which went before it was based around social or political insight, a sense of looking out at the world and fighting for it to be better. The relentlessly gimpy look-at-me-I'm-so-sad introspection was, and remains, cringe-inducing. Grown men of the same age as me, or even a little older, whining about how hard it is to be a teenager, jaysus wept. It was dumbed-down lyrics over dumbed-down music and just wasn't for me. Now we live in the look-at-me age, relentless attention seeking about how wonderful/hard your life is. Fuck it. Even though I'll most likely die sooner, I feel sorry for those for whom this shit was the soundtrack to your life. It's not your fault, but you really missed a gift by not being born in the 70's  :laugh:  :abbath:

Ah most of it is shite tbf but some of it is not bad. Again, I'd liken it to most other things in that there's a lot of copycat things that come in the wake of any new sound

I remember getting into the obvious bands (Metallica, Maiden, Slayer, etc). and then been served up nothing but nu. Had a moment of "oh shit, maybe those bands are a fluke and metal isn't for me"l because this stuff is cack".

Saw Carcass, SYL, and Napalm Death on a 15 minute slot on Headbangers' Ball and they saved the day for me.

I always listened to the nu stuff alongside older DM and Thrash stuff. Basically a distorted guitar was enough for me to chance something but that was very much a buyer beware time as well, where only an odd song could be heard on the Terrorizer or Metal Hammer cds and I'd have to go off that and simply take a chance on things otherwise. During the nu era, I got fuckin roasted multiple times due to the sheer amount of shit thrown at the wall

Quote from: astfgyl on March 29, 2025, 12:39:29 PMI always listened to the nu stuff alongside older DM and Thrash stuff. Basically a distorted guitar was enough for me to chance something but that was very much a buyer beware time as well, where only an odd song could be heard on the Terrorizer or Metal Hammer cds and I'd have to go off that and simply take a chance on things otherwise. During the nu era, I got fuckin roasted multiple times due to the sheer amount of shit thrown at the wall

Think everyone who was a teen in the 90s bought something shite off the back of free with this week's issue CD.
All part of growing up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vRZRZVDlqU

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We'll all be at this I presume?

Might go to see Spineshank. I bought one of their albums when I was a young lad. Tick them off the list I guess. Not that I actively listen to either band. Seen Drowning Pool at Ozzfest many a moon ago.

I bought The Height Of Callousness at the time. Gave it a few spins but it didn't really hold my interest. Never paid any attention to Drowning Pool, were they the one with Johnathan Davis' brother singing?

Quote from: Carnage on April 08, 2025, 11:24:21 AMI bought The Height Of Callousness at the time. Gave it a few spins but it didn't really hold my interest. Never paid any attention to Drowning Pool, were they the one with Johnathan Davis' brother singing?

Same with that CD. Few decent songs but nothing particularly amazing. You are thinking of Adema  :laugh: ironically the singer of Drowning Pool died drowning in a pool of his own vomit.

I picked up the Drowning Pool album with Bodies on it, and even at the height of my teenage numetal phase I thought it was shite

Height of Callousness I thought was great  so that'll be cool to see. Their debut is possibly the worst album I own though, and I've a fair bit of crap in the collection! :laugh:

Is that "Let the bodies hit the floor"? I heard that back then somehow. Scutter.

Aye, still turns up in action/sport montages on telly the odd time.

Adema, another one I (obviously) paid no attention to.

How come we're not talking about (Hed)PE being on the bill too?  :abbath:  :laugh:

I hadn't even noticed that.

No loss, they were awful shite from what I remember. One remix I liked for some reason, that was it:

So, lads. Who do you think are the Big 4 of Nu-Metal? I'll go with
Limp Bizkit
Slipknot
Korn
Linkin Park
 So many bands jumped on the band wagan and jumped back off, Machine Head, Fear Factory etc

Korn
Deftones
SOAD
Eh...ehhhh... Defenesftration  :laugh:

Are we talking about who have been the 4 most commercially successful, or are we talking about our 4 personal favourites?

Quote from: Giggles on April 09, 2025, 08:59:29 PMAre we talking about who have been the 4 most commercially successful, or are we talking about our 4 personal favourites?

let's go with personal favorites sure

Bit hard to think of really, there were some bands lumped in that I never really considered numetal but were just around at the time, or from the same places. Kind of like the Seattle/grunge scene, fair difference between Nirvana, AiC,and Pearl Jam but they're all viewed under the same umbrella

Anyway, if I had to pick four it'd probably be

Korn
Limp Bizkit
Slipknot
SOAD

Could easily make the case for Linkin Park and Deftones too, and if it was personal favourites I'd throw Static X in there

Deftones
Korn
SoaD
Linkin Park

Pulkas
Kill II This
Defenestration
One Minute Silence

Ah wait, I forgot about Kittie!

Edit, I just listened to Loaded by Pulkas on YouTube. I can't remember ever hearing them back in the 90s but I remember them being promoted a lot in MH. As far as that stuff goes they actually sound half decent. Probably more of a Prong buzz to it, or a bit of noise rock in terms of the jagged riffing, but you can hear the noodly, squealy Korn influence in the mix a bit too. Definitely not the worst going from that song. Bit of Tool in the mix as well which was common back then.

Deftones
Limp Bizkit
Korn
Static X first 2 albums

One Minute Silence get a lot of stick but they've plenty of good tunes after the first album, which is bad

Not sure they fully belong in this thread but I watched most of the Chat Pile set from Hellfest just now. Very very entertaining stuff. All kinds of snippets of stuff was coming to mind. The guitarist was working overtime to wrangle so many sounds out in every song. Like Korn if they were a noise rock band maybe? Bits of At the Drive-In, Rollins, Patton, Dylan Moran, The Cure in a couple of places, Killing Joke, Mark Normand, Unsane, the singer's moves reminded me a bit of Sleaford Mods but in a kind of hardcore context... probably much more on top of that. The between song talk was very funny and the tunes were incredibly catchy. Impressive.

They're not exactly nu metal but there's a bit of it in the sound. Great band though, would love to catch them live. Must check out that set if it's on YouTube. Mate who doesn't even like them saw them lately and said they were brilliant

Edit, the lad in the Korn shirt isn't doing anything to dispel the accusations lol

Chat Pile are lethal.  Never seen them live though but haven't heard a release I didn't like.

Dylan Moran and Mark Normand due to the banter? Weird placement of both names.

 :laugh: yeah, just the nuttiness of the dude. His banter and demeanor.

Intrigued by that. Their music never blew me away by any straight but that may bring it together. The beauty of the game.

Exactly. I listened to bits and pieces before and it didn't really grab me but live they are another proposition. The singer's presence and humour takes it to another place for me. Also watching the guitarist do his thing is impressive. Kind of had a feel good buzz to it for me actually.

This is lethal footage of them altogether, enjoyed it more than the Hellfest vid.

Were Orange 9mm nu metal? Or a type of hardcore? I had two of their albums back in the 90s and liked them. Haven't put them on in decades now and probably wouldn't be too arsed with their upbeat style, but they were far from terrible.

I also loved the early Incubus stuff, Enjoy and SCIENCE were on heavy rotation in the 90s. I revisited SCIENCE in recent years and while it was fun and every song was still stuck in my head, I found that the enjoyment (heh) wore off pretty quickly. Fond memories but as with much of that stuff, for me it's better left in the past.

Incubus have (or at least had) a lethal rhythm section.

nu metal wishes Chat Pile were nu metal

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 09, 2025, 01:03:26 PMnu metal wishes Chat Pile were nu metal

This is the long and the short of it really. Hear far more in common with the likes of Scratch Acid/The Jesus Lizard, early Melvins, early Nirvana than nü gear

Ah it's in the mix, particularly in the jangly riffing style. Maybe it serves to highlight the influence noise rock had on the Korn guitarists' style. There is a similarity between the two.

As for Incubus, they were all ferocious musicians.

I watched that whole Hellfest gig and yeah it was absolutely brilliant and I'd seen the indoor one that ducky posted as well which was also great.

There's definitely a bit of the old nu in their sound there's no denying it's an influence but there's a bit more there too for sure

Speaking of Incubus, I got a copy of Science in dealz in Sligo one day having not heard it for years and it's very enjoyable but I don't like anything that came after

Think the bassist from Chat Pile is a big Korn fan. There's definitely a few Korn moments on the last two albums but they're fleeting enough. Mind you, I hear more of a Helmet influence tbh but I suppose it's all connected and I reckon the Helmet sound was more influential on nu-metal than given credit (if you could call it that) for.

Quote from: Ducky on July 09, 2025, 12:39:13 PMThis is lethal footage of them altogether, enjoyed it more than the Hellfest vid.

Jees, I'm liking this a lot

A big crowd for this type of band no?

Outbreak is fairly massive and always has a good mix of newer bands, with prob some Euro exclusive reunion tour or album anniversary sets etc. Knocked Loose headlined this year and are about as big a band in "hardcore" (don't come for me Jamie) as there is at present, along with Glassjaw doing a Worship In Tribute set. "Hardcore" (please, Jamie, spare me!) is fairly massive at the minute too.

Plus Chat Pile rule and have been steadily building their name over the last few years, with a lot of cross-genre appeal.

Yeah, I'd agree with what folk seem to be saying: their overall sound feels like they prob share common influences with nu metal, more than like they were influenced by nu metal (a bit of Gangsta Fieldy love notwithstanding). If I had to throw up a wild comparison just for laughs, I'd say they sound like a gang fight between Godflesh and Propaghandi.

They're fans of Korn, its in the DNA of their sound, but that doesn't default it into nu-metal. Regardless, they're class.

Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 10, 2025, 10:37:57 AMYeah, I'd agree with what folk seem to be saying: their overall sound feels like they prob share common influences with nu metal, more than like they were influenced by nu metal (a bit of Gangsta Fieldy love notwithstanding). If I had to throw up a wild comparison just for laughs, I'd say they sound like a gang fight between Godflesh and Propaghandi.

I heard Godflesh & Shellac in their sound
As well as what little I know of Korn

I probably sound like someone who'd say " ... and Metallica sound like Iron Maiden, but American"  :laugh:

Quote from: Ducky on July 09, 2025, 12:39:13 PMThis is lethal footage of them altogether, enjoyed it more than the Hellfest vid.

First time listening to them, really liked it. I can hear a bit of a numetal in some of the riffs alright, but Mr Bungle was the first thing that came to mind

Sikth - The Trees Are Dead & Dried Out, Wait For Something Wild.
Great album.

There's a blast from the past. I have that at home as well.

Quote from: son of the Morrigan on September 01, 2025, 11:36:21 AMSikth - The Trees Are Dead & Dried Out, Wait For Something Wild.
Great album.

They supported Akercocke on a mini tour of Ireland one time, such an odd pairing!