These are surely only the first drops leaking through cracks in a dam due to burst sooner rather than later. Personally, I do not like this stuff at all, but waves and waves of it are undoubtedly on the way. Especially now with Sora released, it's going to be even easier for individuals to go from idea to full length visual... something. I don't exactly watch music videos that much anymore, but will filmed ones survive such a budget squashing alternative? Any other thoughts?
High On Fire - Burning Down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ9yIWBb4pY
Guns n Roses - The General:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_OFC10hTE
Dandy Warhols (ft. Slash) - I'd Like To Help You With Your Problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3H2AVm1uD8
Money talks. It'll overwhelm in no time at all. Videos, like the songs themselves, are now a loss-leader, an expense just to get people interested in your brand so you can sell them branded tat. There'll still be a niche market for those who can afford to spend on producers, directors, editors and such, but, like music, the days of spending big on recording and production, for all but the very wealthy few, are over.
Those with talent and a good work ethic will still be able to use this new tool to create innovative and valid art but, for most, it's a cheap, easy and quick means of getting some sort of visual representation out there.
Also worth mentioning, we so, so early into the evolution of this technology. The videos you linked are shonky as fuck but give it a year and you'll be amazed how it improves - also as people learn to manipulate the technology to get better results. I've used midjourney for images for about 18 months and the difference in the quality then and now is terrifying. It's genuinely astonishing how much better it is in such a short space of time. It's only going to improve, too.
Soon, you'll be typing in "1985 celtic frost mixed with 1988 metallica" and getting songs and it'll probably take less than a minute to compose and spit an mp3 at you. End times 🤣
Perhaps we will see a response to it with bands deciding to make their own low budget, highly creative videos. I like that idea.
The HoF doing sounds really good but yeah, not sure about the vid.
It would be cool to see a human reaction but I reckon finding a platform to host it will be the hard bit. It feels like there's an avalanche of endless, instant content coming in the next few years and I can't see how the youtube or spotify can stop it completely swamping their platforms. There's money to be made if you have enough clicks on enough links, so it's going to be ruthlessly exploited to fuck, no doubt about it. Unlimited amounts of AI generated shite swamping everything, all the time. Music and music videos might have to go back to physical copies and word of mouth for distribution :laugh:
Just keep to the underground, away from all that noise and you're laughing. The usual story 8)
In the comments is exactly how I feel with the GNR one "This is like someone asking for an AI generated song and video by GNR" :laugh: Absolutely woeful stuff along with the Dandy Warhols one too - The High On Fire one is the best out of the lot - maybe the song is colouring my judgement a tad but I am interested how dark you can go with the AI stuff so there's that too. Plus I can see some extra video editing/manipulation going on with the HoF video than just pure 100% AI generation. From an IT perspective, the tech is impressive in itself but the end product we are seeing now already feels generic & lifeless. Maybe the likes of Sora once available to the general public and following improvements might change that...pandoras box ain't closing. I'm waiting for the first terrible McDonalds AI generated ad, poor Bill Hicks would implode instantly or perhaps he'd be bemused the marketing boyos are going out of a job ::)
You expect all the lower level / unsigned bands doing it but kinda surprised to see GNR etc do it. Those lyric/visualiser type videos will probably go 100% the AI route.
I don't really watch music videos anymore either so that medium has been devalued along with music for a long time so makes sense that this stuff will start to swamp YouTube. I'm hopeful something decent might come out of it - or as we were talking about social media sites and forums on another topic, maybe there will be some unique inspired creativity that will spawn from this relentless AI tide that's coming down the tracks.
Some bands are not even doing music videos - 20 to 30 second clip for their social media pages are probably yielding just as much of a return than a full-length video that majority of people aren't going to watch all the way anyway.
Quote from: The Butcher on February 20, 2024, 08:12:35 PMI'm hopeful something decent might come out of it - or as we were talking about social media sites and forums on another topic, maybe there will be some unique inspired creativity that will spawn from this relentless AI tide that's coming down the tracks.
OR extremely pessimistic thinking would be that since AI will be able to understand the essence of any unique creative style and create new stuff with it since this tech could become extremely vicious in that sense which it could eventually kill off most creativity since it's killed off any incentives related to it :laugh:
Quote from: Bürggermeister on February 20, 2024, 07:47:08 PMIt would be cool to see a human reaction but I reckon finding a platform to host it will be the hard bit. It feels like there's an avalanche of endless, instant content coming in the next few years and I can't see how the youtube or spotify can stop it completely swamping their platforms. There's money to be made if you have enough clicks on enough links, so it's going to be ruthlessly exploited to fuck, no doubt about it. Unlimited amounts of AI generated shite swamping everything, all the time. Music and music videos might have to go back to physical copies and word of mouth for distribution :laugh:
I think about this a lot. Not even in the context of music, but at the point where AI swamps everything (coming on top of a zeitgeist where everything is
already fake as fuck), will we eventually start to see somewhat of a move away from the internet? Or at least a return to much more niche forms of it, like private blogs or forums. It feels like the internet is set to become a version of Homer's website where's it's just a bunch of random, clashing shit. When it's nothing but AI generated soulless bullshit, punctuated by ads endlessly, it's hard to imagine people not just tuning out and starting to find ways to check back into real life. In a society of absolutely untethered, rampant capitalism and exploitation, the internet is a click war in a race to the bottom. Hard to imagine how it evolves into something widespread useful and engaging from there.
With regards to music, I'd love physical media to come back and I do think things will start to go that way for a lot of people, but I can't see it ever coming back the way it was. I'd say the importance of live music is where the future lies to escape AI hell.
The guns n roses one is dire. Other two vids just don't work. Now in a year or two, as has been said, it could be indistinguishable from the real thing so could take the expense out of making a video.
It might make it more enticing for real bands to create something less soulless, too. Depends on the band and their mindset. If they just want instant gratification and likes then AI all the way. If they want to develop simething deeper and more lasting, or even just to be contrary and elitist, you may see bands revert to a bit of elbow grease.
I've always thought "anything would be an improvement over lyrics videos", and heyyo I was clearly wrong about that.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 20, 2024, 09:18:35 PMIt might make it more enticing for real bands to create something less soulless, too. Depends on the band and their mindset. If they just want instant gratification and likes then AI all the way. If they want to develop simething deeper and more lasting, or even just to be contrary and elitist, you may see bands revert to a bit of elbow grease.
I'm sure the odd ones will if it really adds to what they're saying with their art, but in an era of obsolete music videos, but where you need
something to put on YouTube, it's an alternative to a still image of the album cover or a lyric video (or at least will become a fancier lyric video). Still think you're better off just doing a live video playing along to your track if you want something cheap but reasonably effective. During the pandemic we did short videos of all 4 band members recording themselves playing the video at home, and then just did a video edit where the screen was divided into 4 squares with all 4 members playing simultaneously. As we did more of the videos, the setups and backgrounds and performances of each member would become more elaborate as we started to have fun with it. Super quick easy, free, and generally got way more engagement from people than just a still image.
As mentioned earlier, will be interesting to see how it evolves in the next year or two, or how detailed your commands can get.
Oh yeah, no doubt it will be the next big thing. It will absolutely take over. But as always I suppose I'm optimistic that there will be a few dissidents taking matters into their own hands and using this as an opportunity for creative flourishing.
But what's if AI eventually is able to copy every new creative flourish? As someone said, maybe physical content becomes a genuine alternative again and bands opt to disconnect and limit their availability. Something could unravel there. Of course it only takes one dope to put that online and ruin it.
Also side note: this reminds me of the TED talk with two programmers who mapped out every melody combo in MIDI copyrighted it and released it to the public domain -
I think limited availability will be forced upon us all as I reckon the hosting and streaming platforms are about to enter a world of unlimited shit. They will have to put a cap on what they accept and what they continue to host. There is a finite amount of storage space, there is an infinite amount of potential "content" from this. I think subscriptions might go both ways, that there will be a fee to get on and a fee to stay on streaming services, if you don't have enough likes, clicks or whatever. It can't be an open door like it is now. This has to have an effect on underground/niche music and its general availability. It will be in a competition for space with stuff programmed specifically to appeal to the mainstream streaming audiences, stuff where the knowledge of armies of psychologists employed by the tech firms to understand human engagement is already part of the data bank used by AI to generate this shit.
How that will change band promotion, who knows, will bands pay regular fees to be one of lost billions on youtube or spotify? I'd say it's unlikely. One thing I would say is quite certain, if you think there's already too much new music out there, you had better take a seat.
I was just about to raise the question of storage space/power usage as a question for the more tech-savvy among ye. As an extreme eventuality, maybe some global CT-esque autocrat will one day simply pull the plug on cloud storage, remote GPU processing, etc.! :laugh:
😂 Forever known as getting CT'd
Everything in cloud, everything on the streaming platforms, costs money to host and be ready to be retrieved and played in an instant. It costs money to play anything, costs money to transfer data up and down. It costs money to host something which will never be played. It costs more than you think and I know a few businesses who are now backpedalling out of Cloud now that they've had a taste of how much it costs. There will have to be a content cull, just to keep financially viable. The reason I reckon there will be an avalanche of AI content is because of how those platforms pay out. It's all plays, whether there was a human to see the ads or not. Auto-generated AI content ruthlessly aimed at Lowest Common Denominator mongs (but with a safety-net of farms of virtual viewers clicking on that content) is what I'd be doing right now if I could figure out how to do it. If I've thought of it then lots of more skilled cunts have thought of it too 😂
Quote from: Bürggermeister on February 21, 2024, 08:43:19 AMI think limited availability will be forced upon us all as I reckon the hosting and streaming platforms are about to enter a world of unlimited shit. They will have to put a cap on what they accept and what they continue to host. There is a finite amount of storage space, there is an infinite amount of potential "content" from this. I think subscriptions might go both ways, that there will be a fee to get on and a fee to stay on streaming services, if you don't have enough likes, clicks or whatever. It can't be an open door like it is now. This has to have an effect on underground/niche music and its general availability. It will be in a competition for space with stuff programmed specifically to appeal to the mainstream streaming audiences, stuff where the knowledge of armies of psychologists employed by the tech firms to understand human engagement is already part of the data bank used by AI to generate this shit.
How that will change band promotion, who knows, will bands pay regular fees to be one of lost billions on youtube or spotify? I'd say it's unlikely. One thing I would say is quite certain, if you think there's already too much new music out there, you had better take a seat.
Yeah it definitely feels like there's an expiry date before something's gotta give. Spotify's business model has always been extremely dodgy anyway, but if we get to a point of the labels starting their own streaming services and hauling everything off other sites it's hard to imagine that won't kill music streaming fairly quickly. Will people be happy to subscribe to several music streaming services for music in the same way they do for TV? Another streaming industry that's floundering as well.
I would love the next phase of all this to have someone find a way to give music and film value again...
EDIT: The pessimist in me knows where this goes next, more ads and/or in-app payments. Prime adding ads to their current paid model (rather than introducing it as a cheaper tier) and then forcing you to pay
extra for no ads was a warning shot. Also read about BMW having unlockable features in their cars that you had to pay a subscription to unlock, such as heated seats and steering wheels. They dropped it after public outcry but the intent and the method is there. All this gets a lot worse before it gets better...
As much as I knew it was coming, it's still miserable to see it arrive. :(
Ah well, it won't stop people picking up instruments and learning them and having bands that play gigs.
Or will it?
D'y know, on that, was chatting with herself during a road trip over the weekend, about tribute bands, etc. I started thinking about how, in our lifetimes, we'll almost certainly see tribute bands to huge acts of which there are no surviving members. Pink Floyd were the ones I had in mind. This got me thinking about how sometimes you see concerts advertised where it'll be Bach or Beethoven, etc., music played on instruments from their day. And I was thinking, wow, hundred years, maybe two, there might be concerts in tribute to Pink Floyd or The Beatles advertised as being played on "original instruments", i.e. in a society where electric guitars, etc., only exist for specialists. I wasn't even stoned at the time! But later, when I was, got some nice trippy future-projecting vertigo out of it :laugh:
I'll be like Will smith's character in I, Robot sooner than I thought! It's pretty bleak to think of for a luddite such as myself but I'm sure the kids will fit right in.
That sounds like a tasteful way to enjoy the music after they've passed. Just keep that hologram shit away.
Years since I watched a music video, I'm surprised that they're still a thing. On the surface, this doesn't interest me at all but the implication that the technology will extend to musical composition is indeed disturbing.
https://metalinjection.net/news/pestilence-defends-their-ai-album-cover-is-wrong?fbclid=IwAR1Gq05TIxI96E3v239c6g83bZ-XoLFRtXtvFtSJlDB2PmBAxcCLhkaWsFw
On a related note. I don't have any particularly strong feelings about the artwork either way, it's nothing amazing but certainly there has been worse stuff over the years. In particular I'm thinking of the late 90's emergence of that Dave McKean style of artwork which seemed to be everywhere at the time.
'Tallica could've AI'd Newsted to the kerb had this come sooner
https://techxplore.com/news/2024-03-ai-bassist-sony-vision-paradigm.html
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 12, 2024, 07:01:31 PM'Tallica could've AI'd Newsted to the kerb had this come sooner
https://techxplore.com/news/2024-03-ai-bassist-sony-vision-paradigm.html
Will the likes of this go the way of current AI art generation - become an identifiable style that becomes almost immediately stale and starkly obvious to us mere plebs?
The only ai stuff that ever had anything going for it was Google dreaming.
That was truly the stuff of nightmares.
Haunts me to this day
Quote from: The Butcher on March 12, 2024, 09:45:14 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on March 12, 2024, 07:01:31 PM'Tallica could've AI'd Newsted to the kerb had this come sooner
https://techxplore.com/news/2024-03-ai-bassist-sony-vision-paradigm.html
Will the likes of this go the way of current AI art generation - become an identifiable style that becomes almost immediately stale and starkly obvious to us mere plebs?
It's at an embryonic stage, just like the art. It will learn and it will evolve. It'll happen a lot more rapidly than any of us can visualise, I would inagine.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on February 21, 2024, 09:38:15 AM😂 Forever known as getting CT'd
:laugh:
If AI gets me another Necrophagist or Control Denied album I'm in though.
Quote from: John Kimble on February 26, 2024, 10:02:44 AMhttps://metalinjection.net/news/pestilence-defends-their-ai-album-cover-is-wrong?fbclid=IwAR1Gq05TIxI96E3v239c6g83bZ-XoLFRtXtvFtSJlDB2PmBAxcCLhkaWsFw
On a related note. I don't have any particularly strong feelings about the artwork either way, it's nothing amazing but certainly there has been worse stuff over the years. In particular I'm thinking of the late 90's emergence of that Dave McKean style of artwork which seemed to be everywhere at the time.
Pestilence released a track from this and the artwork issue will be the least of their worries. The production is shockingly bad.
Sounds like a demo with a drum machine.
Mamelli will no doubt tell everyone they are wrong.
That new GNR. Hard to say which is harder on the brain cells- the video or the music.
The new HOF song is great though. Not into that video, but hell of a dittie.
There's a studio version of the High on Fire song with them jamming it out. It is ferocious. The riffs are brilliant but the vocal delivery is eye popping in its intensity. Animal.
Just watched that, it's class alright (the AI video isn't). I might give the new album a go, I lost interest in them a couple of albums back.
Pike does not look well at all though. Well lived in for a man of 51.
Just watching the new Nocturnus AD video which is an AI job and it's horrendous. cool tune though.
Yeah, As usual I ended up wishing I never watched it and just checked out the song
AI song generator, fill yer boots :abbath: :laugh:
https://app.suno.ai/
A power metal song about hating AI generated songs ->
https://app.suno.ai/song/817923c8-72fc-44c5-92bd-3e124f0e47cb/
It didn't include CT icing the old forum like I asked
https://app.suno.ai/song/82b3ab7d-01d8-46d7-9258-10a84d4afd26/
https://blabbermouth.net/news/glen-benton-on-deicides-banished-by-sin-artificial-intelligence-cover-controversy-its-really-ridiculous-man
It's a shit cover but he's spot on saying nobody gave a fuck when Napster came along and everybody thought it was grand to steal music. What goes around comes around, art cunts! Ah look, even now, nobody gives a fuck when samples are used to replace the real sound of drums, when the drums have been quantised or even the many albums where there the human drummer has been programmed out of it, discreetly, of course. Nobody gives a fuck if the horn section and orchestra came out of a Casio. It'll become normalised very quickly. The whining, particularly the three linked in that article, comes across as something people feel they ought to be upset about. As the quality improves, and it will do that very quickly, soon most people won't even notice, just like the pretend drumming on so much music, and it'll cease to be an issue. If a photo which has been digitally manipulated by some lad any more or less authentic than one which was created by AI? Neither represents the truth, surely? When you can no longer tell whether it's human or not, will it make a difference what the origin is or will it just go back to being a matter of the content being good or bad?
Computer programmer Benton is hard to visualise, all the same 😂
It'll become part of the norm, especially for pop music.
Auto tune was slammed when it was first used. Then they all just leaned into it and stopped even trying to hide it.
There is no useful comparison to be drawn between Napster and where AI generated art is going. No more than there is any useful comparison to be drawn between photocopying technology and where AI generated art is going.
I think he was suggesting the "taking away our income" crowd didn't mind getting their music for free. Nobody spoke up for musicians at the time, quite the opposite and, if I interpret what he's saying correctly, he's suggesting they can go fuck themselves now that their income in under threat.
Sure, immediately concerned parties are currently focused on their income being taken away, and that's understandable. But the deeper threat, which Napster and photocopying/taping/etc., never posed, is imo the actual creative activity itself being taken away or at least massively reduced across society as a whole. What we're looking at is more like the shift brought about by the advent of recorded music itself; prior to that, if you wanted music somewhere, you needed performers and so live music was much more prevalent in society. Napster had no impact on this dimension of things; it took away some recording income but also opened up audiences for smaller performers and had no negative impact (that I know of) on sizes of live audiences paying out to see live performances.
For me the issue with that cover is not the means by which it was created, it's the Bach that it's shit.
He referenced the cover for Legion. That's a lot cleaner looking and more menacing for it. It doesn't hurt that Legion is a monster of an album. Maybe if this new one turns out to be brilliant it won't matter.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 15, 2024, 11:00:17 AMSure, immediately concerned parties are currently focused on their income being taken away, and that's understandable. But the deeper threat, which Napster and photocopying/taping/etc., never posed, is imo the actual creative activity itself being taken away or at least massively reduced across society as a whole. What we're looking at is more like the shift brought about by the advent of recorded music itself; prior to that, if you wanted music somewhere, you needed performers and so live music was much more prevalent in society. Napster had no impact on this dimension of things; it took away some recording income but also opened up audiences for smaller performers and had no negative impact (that I know of) on sizes of live audiences paying out to see live performances.
Did lads playing records and waving an arm in the air make live bands disappear? There are DJs playing their fucking laptop to stadiums now, not even a record in sight, and no-one there cares. Do you care if the jingle for washing powder or the design of the box was done by some marketing stooge or a robot? Not me.
Like music, people who have the drive to create will still create it, people who want to pay for something they feel is more valid or authentic will still pay for it. The business side will just have to adapt, like musicians did - and will have to do again as AI music isn't going to vanish quietly either.
People who want "real" music will probably have to work harder to find it but that kind of music won't vanish because the same people will have the drive to create and listen to it. I know I always operated at a loss and will forever continue to do so. Was Era Vulgaris a financially profitable exercise overall? You still did it, though, even though if you factored in your time, gear, rehearsals and all the other expenses it cost you a fucking fortune and I bet you'd do it again, no? :)
Human creativity won't go away, the people who create will create. Human art won't become invalidated by any of this. It will, however, give the masses greater options and they'll go with what they want, for better or worse. They'll pick shit, every time, we all know it. It's not AI that's the problem, it's the audience. C'est la vie. :laugh:
I'm not predicting any radical immediate changes, but thinking more long term, and more on the creative than the receptive side, although both are important.
On longer scales, things do profoundly change. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. And really nothing of what I'm saying hasn't already featured as warnings in science-fiction since the 1930s: the more creative and intellectual "burden" we delegate to machines (of one form or another), the more we risk (everything is probability, nothing black and white) deterioration of some of our own cognitive capacities. Some of this may have very real impact on things like mental health, as more people become pure content consumers without even the facade of interpreting at a distance some kind of meaning put out there by a fellow human (i.e. the artist). The impending possibility of on-demand 100% bespoke entertainment, responding purely to what an individual wants at any given moment, is a real risk for shared experience. That could be the "shit" of the future, but it's a very different kind of atomized individualistic shit to the popular shit of the past which, at the very least, functioned as a kind of social glue of common experience. Even soap operas filled such a social function.
Again, I'm not predicting that X, Y, Z are necessarily going to happen, but I do think it would be wise (wiser than can be expected of our society) to consider things like impact on experience of life, which is just another way of saying impact on mental health. I don't see current AI direction getting more people to create, to learn to create in any kind of experientially meaningful/mentally healthy way. Conversations still exist, but clearly social media has done something to society which leaks beyond its own digital boundaries. Generative AI imo has similar if not even more powerful society-altering potential.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 24, 2024, 05:46:58 PMAI song generator, fill yer boots :abbath: :laugh:
https://app.suno.ai/
Been trying to generate some instrumental surf rock based on black metal but it mixed up the genres and generated me this instead which to my surprise is very decent:
https://suno.com/song/edfdfd27-15e2-4e30-9694-fcd22594a155
Some proper version of Russian Circles? So random but would definitely see this live.
Also, friend did this french coldwave prompt...
https://suno.com/song/c4d9b7ba-1819-4d0d-9639-754f481e2e53
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 15, 2024, 04:06:33 PMI'm not predicting any radical immediate changes, but thinking more long term, and more on the creative than the receptive side, although both are important.
On longer scales, things do profoundly change. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. And really nothing of what I'm saying hasn't already featured as warnings in science-fiction since the 1930s: the more creative and intellectual "burden" we delegate to machines (of one form or another), the more we risk (everything is probability, nothing black and white) deterioration of some of our own cognitive capacities. Some of this may have very real impact on things like mental health, as more people become pure content consumers without even the facade of interpreting at a distance some kind of meaning put out there by a fellow human (i.e. the artist). The impending possibility of on-demand 100% bespoke entertainment, responding purely to what an individual wants at any given moment, is a real risk for shared experience. That could be the "shit" of the future, but it's a very different kind of atomized individualistic shit to the popular shit of the past which, at the very least, functioned as a kind of social glue of common experience. Even soap operas filled such a social function.
Again, I'm not predicting that X, Y, Z are necessarily going to happen, but I do think it would be wise (wiser than can be expected of our society) to consider things like impact on experience of life, which is just another way of saying impact on mental health. I don't see current AI direction getting more people to create, to learn to create in any kind of experientially meaningful/mentally healthy way. Conversations still exist, but clearly social media has done something to society which leaks beyond its own digital boundaries. Generative AI imo has similar if not even more powerful society-altering potential.
I don't even have an argument for once :laugh:
I have long dreaded what the likes of AI would do to creativity but I suppose it's inevitable and the new creators will be the prompt Kings soon enough. Problem with it all for me is the cheapening of it all, like real photographers pics vs photos edited on a phone. Nobody wants to see your photos on your phone and I'd imagine if everyone can make a song without learning anything then no-one will want to hear your songs either. Everybody will simply generate what they want to hear and all dancing to their own beat. What will happen to gigs then?
It might not be the death of popular bands but it just as much might be
I've said it before, but I can't help myself finding it all fairly poignant that Dune--set in a future where the production of machines designed to think like humans has been forbidden--should be having its brightest moment in the sun right now, just as the experience shallowing potential of AI is beginning to dawn on us.
Metal Archives statement on their policy towards AI generated music:
https://www.metal-archives.com/news/view/id/296
QuoteRecently, there has been a noticeable uptick in the number of bands being submitted to the site which have AI generated music. We want to make it clear what our position is on these bands, and how we plan to move forward in assessing them.
It went without saying, at least up until now, that when we imagined growing the largest and most complete database of metal music, part of that vision was the preservation of art and human expression through music. Until AI, that was a given. The music described on the site is, in some way, played, programmed, and composed by a human being. That still remains an important criterion for us, and it is our belief that AI generated music does not satisfy that requirement.
With the above in mind, we won't be accepting bands with AI generated albums, and we will scrutinize more thoroughly submissions suspected of having AI generated music.
For those users submitting bands, if you have a band suspected of having AI generated music, we may call upon you to provide evidence to prove otherwise, whether it's behind-the-scenes material, statements from the band or its label, evidence the band played live, promotional material showing the band is genuine, and so on. The more evidence we have to show that such a band is real, and its music composed by a human being, the better. Our goal isn't to make this harder on you, or anyone for that matter, but we do want to stay true to our vision for the site.
This policy isn't perfect and is a work-in-progress which may evolve over time. We know there will be some bands with AI generated music mistakenly added to the site, and we also know mistakes can be made and bands without AI generated material may be flagged for having AI generated music. With your help, we hope to avoid this as much as possible.
Thank you. \m/
AI generated artwork who gives a shit.
AI generated music get the fuck out. But how to tell the difference?
Interesting perspective on the whole thing. Seemingly Spotify are already adding AI generated music to playlists, the motiivation being that they don't have to pay royalties, even the shitty royalties they pay, for content they own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibMd_Jx9daw
Beato is great.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on May 15, 2024, 07:55:26 PMInteresting perspective on the whole thing. Seemingly Spotify are already adding AI generated music to playlists, the motiivation being that they don't have to pay royalties, even the shitty royalties they pay, for content they own.
I must watch that Beato video but on Spotify: this is a few years old and already a little dated but shows how in a sense they were already at this, using AI just extends it further.
https://youtu.be/whQ8UBoz-To?si=c-R649rMxlwCO-Fy
Some of the last section goes into their fake artists trick, where they fill playlists with short songs made my musicians that have absolutely no profile, online or otherwise, whatsoever. On investigation all of them are "signed" by the same label and company, all of them are very likely a handful of musicians tasked with churning out content for these playlists, and the group themselves are one of Spotify's largest investors.
Yeah, as if I didn't loathe Spotify enough already. It's such an utter bastard of a scam but, in the end, the audience gets what they pay for. He reckons the streaming services (including Netflix, Disney, etc as well as music ones) are not financially susatainable and can't repay the investors who helped them get started. They started with the valuation of their content too low and are now having to jack up the prices while also compromising the service with tricksy shit like this. I remember being at a lecture in the early 90's, when the average CD cost IR£15, maybe more, and, even then, the guy said that music was massively undervalued. A book was around the same price which someone would read once, maybe a handful of times more, but that a great album is something someone would listen to again hundreds, if not thousands, of times throughout their lifetime, all for 15 quid. Spotify is just a cuntwagon.
Spotify is mock. Watching that Beato vid there now and yeah it's in line with my general thinking on it.
We need a new punk DIY ethics movement but it'll probably be DIY AI, such is the way of the world.
There'll be a market for non augmented stuff for sure though even if it is only me.
It would be funny if an ultra underground elitist AI black metal scene emerged that was closed off to humans.
AI bands whose names contain only vowels :abbath:
Quote from: Eoin McLove on May 16, 2024, 08:41:18 PMIt would be funny if an ultra underground elitist AI black metal scene emerged that was closed off to humans.
Like the "Dead Internet" thing that a lad was telling me about lately. It's not as wild as it sounds
Another Beato rant on it. The quality of music he plays is indistinguishable from contemporary pop/country stuff to my ear. That was quick :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbo6SdyWGns
Social media is littered with BS AI articles .
QuoteAlex Webster (from interview, November 1994) –
"It's interesting to perform in America, and to relieve boredom, we invite girls on the tour bus to dance naked. A lot of strippers come to our concerts, and we entrust our sound technician to organize a meeting with them. He is a real master at such things. Gentle in character, he approaches beautiful dancers and begins to openly flatter them. In America, we have half the audience at metal concerts, no, I said that too, not half. But many of the girls who come to our concerts work as strippers. And they can entertain us as we go on tour. I remember the first time this happened in St. Louis, the girls had a dance. At that moment, I turned to our sound technician and said: "Old man, we need to raise your salary." It's amazing that this happens to us, we play death metal. Especially when, during the concert, we are on stage, and the girls in the hall are sparkling with their tits. This shouldn't happen in principle!"
Sounds like something Webster would say :laugh:
I not am a robot.
It doesn't exactly fit the thread, but I can't think of anywhere better to put this face off of cosmic self-importance between Rick Beato and Antony Fantano. The latter has always annoyed me, the former I liked at first but have progressively gone off his endless utterly pointless critique of the Spotify top 20, etc. Overall, I end up agreeing with almost everything Fantano argues though, and his crescendo of enraged frustration is entertaining as hell :laugh: The two Beato videos are 19 minutes in total, Fantano's about 25, but I think it's interesting enough to be worth a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZ0OSEViyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU96wCDHGKM&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnveSqQgpqk
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on July 01, 2024, 08:13:17 AMSocial media is littered with BS AI articles .
QuoteAlex Webster (from interview, November 1994) –
"It's interesting to perform in America, and to relieve boredom, we invite girls on the tour bus to dance naked. A lot of strippers come to our concerts, and we entrust our sound technician to organize a meeting with them. He is a real master at such things. Gentle in character, he approaches beautiful dancers and begins to openly flatter them. In America, we have half the audience at metal concerts, no, I said that too, not half. But many of the girls who come to our concerts work as strippers. And they can entertain us as we go on tour. I remember the first time this happened in St. Louis, the girls had a dance. At that moment, I turned to our sound technician and said: "Old man, we need to raise your salary." It's amazing that this happens to us, we play death metal. Especially when, during the concert, we are on stage, and the girls in the hall are sparkling with their tits. This shouldn't happen in principle!"
Sounds like something Webster would say :laugh:
Janey, that makes Alex sound like Trump ;D
Although we all know that CC don't just grab the ladies by their pussies - they do far worse things :laugh:
Just watched this... Never heard of the band before, song is ok, but fuck me this video is terrible.
Bizarrely PG13 if ya ask me. Maybe you've to pay for a premium account to unlock 15s content. Platinum customers get 18s. Tor for more.
Turned it off after 5 seconds.
Was watching some AI generated Michael Jackson song last night with the kids. Voice was a dead ringer, but the phrasing and tone of the song was totally from 2025, so at least there are still some subtleties that is not able to ape. Although maybe that was the request, who knows. It was all wrong anyway.
Looking forward to the AI generated Rick Beato videos where he contradicts everything.
Or will I even bother watching one, probably not.
Was wondering also, do ye think this will all reach an inevitable cliff edge, where we all have enough of the screens and constant rubbish content, and go back to feverishly reading books & meditating....or will content and consumption of it just keep increasing forever, inexorably? Like how will the classic "iPad Kid" live in 15 years? Just turning the bollocks pipe on all the way
Surely data centres for the likes of Youtube etc wouldn't be keen on an never-ending pile of AI generated content that no one is watching? I'm sure thresholds will be implemented at some stage that allow you to upload or not. I'm thinking of Spotify recently with their 1000 listens/streams within a year. Can only relate back to computer beating any human at chess but no one watches computers play chess against each other. Would we watch AI play any E-sports? Maybe as a novelty at first but would wear pretty thin pretty fast. Or maybe content just becomes personalised which doesn't seem fun at all.
I'm thinking of the virtual racing in the bookies here and I reckon there will be enough cunts will actually go for it
Quote from: Barrytron on February 20, 2025, 09:41:44 AMWas watching some AI generated Michael Jackson song last night with the kids. Voice was a dead ringer, but the phrasing and tone of the song was totally from 2025, so at least there are still some subtleties that is not able to ape. Although maybe that was the request, who knows. It was all wrong anyway.
Looking forward to the AI generated Rick Beato videos where he contradicts everything.
Or will I even bother watching one, probably not.
Was wondering also, do ye think this will all reach an inevitable cliff edge, where we all have enough of the screens and constant rubbish content, and go back to feverishly reading books & meditating....or will content and consumption of it just keep increasing forever, inexorably? Like how will the classic "iPad Kid" live in 15 years? Just turning the bollocks pipe on all the way
I love the idea of people just having had enough of the endless content (especially if everywhere online becomes overwhelmed with fake AI stuff), and just starting to switch off. I can def see older (like 30 and up) people starting to do that, but the kids never will. Social media is the ultimate attention seeking and get rich quick scheme all rolled into one, and they are ravenous for it. It'll be interesting to see what turns it takes in the future though. Will we all live in augmented reality down the line?
I don't know much about digital art or how quickly it can be produced but I'm a bit skeptical how it's possible to pump out hundreds of unique and highly detailed artworks one after the other at such a high rate. Surely there has to be an element of ai used or do I need to take of my ai generated tinfoil hat?
https://www.instagram.com/thedarkside.art?igsh=Y2RhYW1qOWV0b3Iw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I19xtFz9rI
I'm not surprised that Google are starting to pop ahead of the competition when it comes to AI video/audio/image generation tools - I mean they have a wealth of stuff to tap into from youtube alone. I mean that VEO 3 stuff...the uncanny valley is not hitting as hard with those videos, first time I'm feeling that. Going to be scary what will be possible by the end of this decade. We'll be flooded with AI influencers yet...if only Bill Hicks was around to see the new wave of marketing :laugh:
The frist AI "band" success story (commercially, of course, it's a tragedy for mankind)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nlb-m_vKYM
I am guessing that a good portion of those listens is just curiousity, not actual fans.
I suppose the point was that there's even a discussion means that we're at the stage where AI generated content is indistinguishable, to most, from human content and, as such, expect to see your service provider of choice start to favour that which costs them less to promote.
I'm interested in the subject, but have no interest in what Beato might have to say on it.
I've a feeling that this will lead to more people simply going to gigs so they can believe what they see is real.
Well hopefully so. The companies will definitely push the cheaper AI alternative but I think people will prefer the real thing when it comes down to it.
In the mainstream it will flourish. In the underground people will resist it but you'll no doubt have chancers trying to fool the elitists by creating AI bestial black metal bands etc. Fuck it all.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 02, 2025, 07:12:47 PMI've a feeling that this will lead to more people simply going to gigs so they can believe what they see is real.
Well hopefully so. The companies will definitely push the cheaper AI alternative but I think people will prefer the real thing when it comes down to it.
It's starting to look like live music might be the final frontier for real music. I'm also hoping it pushes more people out to shows.
Would be cool if real musicianship came back, like a second era of jazz or something, since that kind of expression wouldn't be as possible/welcomed with AI.
Younger people don't seem to give a shite if its miming or backing tracks though. They're quite happy to be part of an "event" so it's only a matter of time until the targeted marketing can work around real bands on a larger scale. Once the older bands hang it up, there won't ever be anyone to replace them on the same scale.
They will never know the joy of being pinned against the McGonagles stage, unable to avoid being soaked in other men's sweat.
Quote from: The Great Cull on July 03, 2025, 08:50:17 AMYounger people don't seem to give a shite if its miming or backing tracks though. They're quite happy to be part of an "event" so it's only a matter of time until the targeted marketing can work around real bands on a larger scale. Once the older bands hang it up, there won't ever be anyone to replace them on the same scale.
Although Kiss no doubt will exist forever as an AI entity.
Yeah this is fucked.
Browsing on Season of Mist's shop to complete an order and stumbled upon this abortion of an AI-generated cover for what looks like a mixed bag of b-sides and rarities, certainly unofficial:
https://shop.season-of-mist.com/fr/led-zeppelin-the-rock-n-roots-of-lp
There's one for Judas Priest and Black Sabbath too, though at least the artwork for those, though also genAI, isn't quite as utterly laughable.
Although Photobucket did this a few years ago, and lost a lot of their traffic as a result, services pushing back on time-unlimited hosting has simply got to happen. It'll propagate out to youtube, spotify, etc fairly soon, I reckon.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz69238p5p8o
Since you've bumped the thread, check out the inherent vapidity of LLMs, played out in real time via this "conversation" between two instances of ChatGPT :laugh:
https://www.tiktok.com/@aarongoldyboy/video/7555260691947588895
:laugh:
My wife has been "strongly encouraged" to start using AI at work, she actually works for an older company who have become one of the AI vendors but not in a directly AI-related role, but it is sliding into a "train your robotic replacement" kind of thing, having AI rewrite documents written by humans so it's easier for AI to understand but still having to check every piece of shite it outputs and go again and again until it gets it right. The key seems to be, genuinely, giving it a role to play. It's great craic, albeit terrifying that it'll soon be running everything. "You are a cost-conscious middle manager, rewrite this document emphasising the key points" gives you a very different output to "You are a jaded millenial who has benefitted greatly from deliveroo loyalty schemes, rewrite this document emphasising the key points"
Been on a funk buzz for a while, this popped up in the recommended and it's not bad at all! Vocals a bit weird sometimes, but it definitely funks.
Mad times we are livin' in - when AI Metallica is more Metallica than Metallica themselves :o have to say, that intro is something straight off Justice ->
Not saying it's particularly good or anything but just shows how far this tech has progressed in a short period of time. Chap recorded his own vocals but used an AI voice model trained to sound like Hetfield from that 91 era.
I refuse to acknowledge or listen to it and I will be healthier for that.
I'm tempted to listen out of sheer curiosity, but generally Evile's first few albums do the job for me of being a better version of Metallica than Metallica have for the last 30 years
Why get AI to do things that directly mimic art that already exists? Here is my 0 effort homage to my favourite artist. It'd be like asking an AI to write you a novel "in the exact style of" your favourite author. If they have to use the shite, would they not do something actually creative with it!? Oh right, of course, that'd be too much actual effort.
It sounds exactly like the latest Metallica album (which leads me to think that they just did this exact thing for it). Don't bother.
Could be an important precedent
https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2025/1111/1543335-germany-openai/
I've only just started watching this so can't say I endorse every perspective in it. But I trust Neely just enough to presume his take will be at least interesting and worth considering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk
Had a look at some of that and it's interesting (and concerning). I'm not a musician so don't have much skin in the game, but as someone who tried and failed miserably to play an instrument, I dont feel like I need to fill that void. Dunno what that lad (the fella who created it) is banging on about, why on earth should music be more like video games? He seems to be suggesting that there's not enough music out there or that more music can only be a good thing. No, it can't. There's enough shite out there as it is. Interesting that the respondents to yer man's survey indicated that they only really listen to their own creations. Seems to be a purely narcissistic endeavour.
It's just an aside really but my eldest lad (11) is doing guitar lessons at the moment. I'd be half concerned that he has inherited my lack of musical ability as he's doing grand but it doesn't come naturally to him either. But the sense of joy is evident from him when he manages to belt out a bit of Enter Sandman or Teen Spirit. I can't see anyone getting that same sense of reward from inputting a few prompts into a program and getting a fully formed song back.
Quote from: Giggles on October 04, 2025, 10:15:34 PMBeen on a funk buzz for a while, this popped up in the recommended and it's not bad at all! Vocals a bit weird sometimes, but it definitely funks.
Im
Quote from: Giggles on October 04, 2025, 10:15:34 PMBeen on a funk buzz for a while, this popped up in the recommended and it's not bad at all! Vocals a bit weird sometimes, but it definitely funks.
That is fucking hilarious.
Quote from: John Kimble on February 09, 2026, 04:10:19 PMHad a look at some of that and it's interesting (and concerning). I'm not a musician so don't have much skin in the game, but as someone who tried and failed miserably to play an instrument, I dont feel like I need to fill that void. Dunno what that lad (the fella who created it) is banging on about, why on earth should music be more like video games? He seems to be suggesting that there's not enough music out there or that more music can only be a good thing. No, it can't. There's enough shite out there as it is. Interesting that the respondents to yer man's survey indicated that they only really listen to their own creations. Seems to be a purely narcissistic endeavour.
It's just an aside really but my eldest lad (11) is doing guitar lessons at the moment. I'd be half concerned that he has inherited my lack of musical ability as he's doing grand but it doesn't come naturally to him either. But the sense of joy is evident from him when he manages to belt out a bit of Enter Sandman or Teen Spirit. I can't see anyone getting that same sense of reward from inputting a few prompts into a program and getting a fully formed song back.
Getting a buzz out of it and having fun is half the battle. If he keeps bashing away and enjoying it he'll get better, simple as that. It's just about putting in the hours at that stage.
Absolutely, as long as he gets something out of it, it's all good with me. He wrote his own song a few months back and his guitar teacher transcribed it to tab (apologies, I'm not exactly familiar with the terminolgy) so we printed it out and it has pride of place on his bedroom wall. That captures the spirit of the whole endeavour, to my mind. However, going back to the whole AI thing, if he just threw a few inputs into AI and came out with a fully fledged composition, it just wouldn't be the same. Obviously, not being a complete cunt of a parent i hope, I'd still tell him it's great and all!
There are a lot of people who think, genuinely, that if they put a line into Suno, they have written a song. I used to participate in another forum where they had a monthly composition challenge, the idea being you'd write and record a song, within a few weeks, based on an image nominated by someone. It was a musician-orientated forum, so people who played real instruments. There were occasions where AI stuff was submitted and, subsequently, a discussion on the eligibility of AI stuff with the phrase "I wrote this song with AI" used in a non-ironic way several times. It's like getting takeaway delivered and saying you made dinner.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 09, 2026, 09:25:44 AMI've only just started watching this so can't say I endorse every perspective in it. But I trust Neely just enough to presume his take will be at least interesting and worth considering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk
Finished it tonight. Some really interesting stuff in it, also about how Suno, along with pretty much all other genAI platforms, are intimately tied into Muskian social reengineering projects already targeting news media, education, etc.