I'm delighted. I was just about to leave the house to go in and see Grave Upheaval and Cemetery Urn play in the city and I found out the gig has been cancelled. Some delightful character complained that one of the support bands, Haste (who???), had a distro that sold right wing records and got the plug pulled. How scary- How truly awful, shocking and appalling. I am relieved that this do-gooder has so rigorously policed the dangerous viper's nest that is the local metal scene and spared me from the danger of being brainwashed into a Far Right cult. I'll never leave the house again.
I can just picture this wonderful cornerstone of society, concerned for my very own well-being, delighted with this important victory. I offer my most sincere thanks.
Sorry to hear that. There is a certain firebrand of loser who thinks the planet should be run their way. People in every walk of life shouldn't have to suffer because of a few narcissistic weirdos.
Shame that pulling Haste wasn't an option seeing as the issue had nothing to do with 2 main bands.
That's interesting - where was this?
Think House of Atreus had a gig or two pulled recently in ye US due to rumours of them being associated with racist movements or the like. As far as I can tell though their only association with that kinda stuff is that they sound like Arghoslent!
Ridiculous carry on.
Is it not down to the promotor though? I mean if I had booked the gig I would have told yer man to feck off and then ignore the situation. Why are promotors pandering to these unnecessary complaints?
Might be the venue rather than the promoter or bands
Presumably whoever wanted it cancelled went to the venue rather than the promoter, that's usually what they do.
I'm not down with cancelling of gigs or exhibitions or book launches or whatever; it's an immature, proto-authoritarian approach to societal improvement. But then labels who do releases in limited runs of 88 and sign bands who, seriously or otherwise, openly declare they want to kill all Muslims, etc., that's all at least equally immature. So the end result is adult kids mutually riling each other up when they should all know better. It's obviously a shame when more serious acts and their fans end up suffering the consequences, but yeah: act like an evil child, you're likely to cause a child do-gooder to throw a tantrum.
Pretty much this. We're not talking about some clandestine neo nazi fest being cancelled (which arguably does fuck all as well in real terms),it's one band, and could have been dealt with far more cleverly.
Haste, the band with the dodgy link so to speak, was removed. And then the entire gig was pulled. Bullfukkinshite!
On a more positive note, I ended up spinning over to one of the dude's gaffs instead and he gave me a heap of old, and new, CDs that he didn't want.
Peste Noire- La Sanie des siècles – Panégyrique de la dégénérescence CD
Peste Noire- L'ordur a l'ètat pur CD
Turbonegro- Apocalypse Dudes CD
My Dying Bride- Turn Loose the Swans CD
Gospel of the Horns- A Call to Arms CD
Psychic Mass- Arrival of the Church of Psychic Mass EP
L'ordure à l'état pur is a great album. Might stick it on myself.
Edit: Careful that somewhat contextually ironic list of albums he gave you doesn't end up as "evidence" sometime in the future :laugh:
"Well if I don't like it then I don't think anyone else should either"
Great.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 10, 2024, 12:37:42 PML'ordure à l'état pur is a great album. Might stick it on myself.
Edit: Careful that somewhat contextually ironic list of albums he gave you doesn't end up as "evidence" sometime in the future :laugh:
Ah sure, nothing much to cancel here haha.
By all accounts it's a constant thing in America. It's doesn't seem to take much to have the cancel warriors at the door either.
How does it work with venues losing the nights earnings?
Do they blacklist the band , the promoters? Obviously the band lose out.
I imagine Ye(Kanye) will be lucky to get a gig in the local town hall at this stage.
The Authoritarian mindset of these New Left cunts is so far removed from the do what thou wilt, mid period liberalism most of us grew up with. Gone back full circle to the My Way or the Gulag origins of the socialist explosion in Europe.
It's a bizarre crusade for these soft, middle class eejits to join, but I guess cancelling metal gigs is in fashion in their subculture now. Same as crying over Palestine, as if they are an enclave of rainbow clad crust punks waiting to be freed.
:laugh:
Funny how the ones calling everyone Nazis are also calling for the destruction of Israel. I don't get the logic but I'm not even trying at this stage.
Re. Peste Noire- L'ordur à l'état pur. I have it on now and it's a wild ride indeed. Famine is a true radical which you have to admire. I have almost nothing in common with his world view (the complete opposite of the one mentioned above) but I also think he's a genius. He has created his own world built on his far right ideology and wild, unpredictable music, dark sense of humor and unique artwork. He's the definition of a renegade and iconoclast, regardless of which angle you look at him from. From an NSBM point of view the way he mixes black metal with rap music and his own take on hip hop culture is an abomination. From a left perspective, take your pick. As I'm listening now it strikes me that the closest comparison I can draw, and it's only a partial comparison really, is The Meads of Asphodel. I think KPN are more successful than The Meads in writing incredibly hooky music, but the attitude, if not the political stance, is similar.
I don't know, I reckon bands with far right sympathies should stop being pussies and stand by their convictions tbh.
Amount of bands with nazi ties or poor cliched symbolism/lyrics and deny it, all about bringing hate and violence back to black metal and shit themselves when blue haired college students threaten to picket their gig, embarrassing carry on :laugh:.
I mean, fair enough to ones who genuinely aren't neo-nazis or fascists, but the ones who are and deny it are cowards.
Nobody was denying anything as there was nothing to deny. Grave Upheaval have nothing to do with politics, their songs are all about magical death rites and that kind of hocus pocus. All the crying is coming from the left blue haired college kids who pretend to be saving the world by cancelling a metal gig. Complete fucking retards who think that their insane world view is the only legitimate one and thus pissing on a couple hundred metal fans' Saturday night entertainment.
What is there to stand up to. There is no confrontation, the gig was cancelled and it was all done because of some anonymous hero bravely emailing the venue. Maybe the crowd should have all arrived at the venue and started fights on passers by? It's smoke and mirrors in every direction.
Was In limerick today with the young lad and there was a pro palestine march .
He said I suppose they will march down the street and pick up a Ukraine flag and march back up .
He is 13 and can see through this shite
We need a cunt cull .
Quote from: Grim Reality on February 10, 2024, 10:10:13 PMThe Authoritarian mindset of these New Left cunts is so far removed from the do what thou wilt, mid period liberalism most of us grew up with. Gone back full circle to the My Way or the Gulag origins of the socialist explosion in Europe.
It's a bizarre crusade for these soft, middle class eejits to join, but I guess cancelling metal gigs is in fashion in their subculture now. Same as crying over Palestine, as if they are an enclave of rainbow clad crust punks waiting to be freed.
Nicely put
It's fucked, same thing with the Taake gigs in Aus last year too. Found the group it all originated from on facebook and they're all celebrating the cancellation "wE ShoWeD ThOsE NaZiS!!!11!", gimps..
The post which started it all to a page with 27k followers:
Quote*sigh*
So anyway, there's a heavy metal 🤘 gig on tomorrow night @ The Leadbeater Hotel in Richmond:
'Grave Upheaval' with special guests Cemetery Urn + Munitions + Petrol + Haste + Cult of the Night, Saturday, February 10, 2024.
'The Leadbeater Hotel acknowledges the traditional custodians of the land in which we work, operate and live on. We pay our respect to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Elders past, present and emerging.'
I'd like to acknowledge the following:
The band 'Haste' was formerly known as 'Gurn'.
Gurn was associated with the VIC-based nazi metal label 'Australibus Tenebris'. AT was established in 2013. It's run by two metalheads: 'Necropriest' (Matthew Priest) and 'Bloodoak' (N/A) who also perform/ed in the band.
Sadly, a gig organised by AT in BRIS this time last year got cancelled.
The name-change was presumably intended to circumvent criticism ... if you're a punter, I'd be wary.
Just having a scan of the comments on a few pages on social media - The great irony in all this is the hatred coming from the cancelling group. No bother to them to make sweeping allegations, and characterise the attendees based upon baseless pre-conceived concepts of what that body of people are and represent.
Laughing here at statements like "That'll show the neckbeards"
Wonder who they'll take down next. Well done chaps.
"characterize the attendees based upon baseless pre-conceived concepts of what that body of people are and represent"
lol. I mean, what you say is absolutely true, but also might want to read back through some of the previous replies in this very thread :laugh:
Ya gotsta represent!
QuoteI mean, what you say is absolutely true, but also might want to read back through some of the previous replies in this very thread :laugh:
:laugh:
Quote from: Shitstirrer on February 11, 2024, 01:28:04 AMWas In limerick today with the young lad and there was a pro palestine march .
He said I suppose they will march down the street and pick up a Ukraine flag and march back up .
He is 13 and can see through this shite
We need a cunt cull .
Brilliant! Such a perfect summation from someone so young. In terms of organising the cull I propose that anyone found guilty of shouting the phrase "our streets" be summarily executed in a grisly manner.
Yes, almost like an echo of a sentiment heard somewhere else. But where, I wonder... :laugh:
I remember a few years back a load of Tyr gigs were targeted with protests outside and a few got cancelled because the band participates in the whale hunt in the Faroes
Plenty of members of the metal community have went whale hunting on a Saturday night after 10 pints.
Quote from: ldj on February 10, 2024, 11:11:31 PMI don't know, I reckon bands with far right sympathies should stop being pussies and stand by their convictions tbh.
Amount of bands with nazi ties or poor cliched symbolism/lyrics and deny it, all about bringing hate and violence back to black metal and shit themselves when blue haired college students threaten to picket their gig, embarrassing carry on :laugh:.
I mean, fair enough to ones who genuinely aren't neo-nazis or fascists, but the ones who are and deny it are cowards.
If only these situations were as simple as you tried to make them out to be in your post. Judging by what you said my guess is you have never had personal experience with this happening to a show you wanted to see. Nobody shits themselves when some overweight blue haired college student who can't decide what gender he is protests a show the problem is because of the way society currently is these people are pandered too and the accused side is never heard out. This isn't the same scenario as Christians protesting metal shows back in the 90's and early 00's.
Trust me if came down to it and both sides were given the freedom to behave the way the far left side are allowed to in these situations then the lefties wouldn't be long about stopping but they know the law and politician's are on their side as I saw first hand in Montreal a few years ago when a politician met the Antifa mob at the subway station near the venue and proceeded to march with them to the venue then once the doors opened they threw smoke bombs into the venue forcing the promoter to cancel the show.
Nobody has the right to tell someone else what they should listen to what's next let's ban Cannibal Corpse because the topics they sing about are far too violent and it offends me.
I find this whole "Band x are sketchy because a band members brothers cousins milkman did the artwork on a Hate Forest demo" to be seriously cringeworthy but also pretty fascinating.
Like on this site rateyourmusic.com/list/HelloInquisitor/black-metal-bands-and-their-politics/2/
Which classifies Primordial as a Nazi/Racist band for the most stupid reasons, but clearly some people take it very seriously.
Comparing what is fictional violent lyrics to bands with ties to neo-nazi's or far right extremists is a false equivalence. Has any of this shit ever happened to a death metal show, or a thrash show, or a doom show?
It's no surprise that 99% of these incidents only seem to occur to BM bands, it seems to me parts of the scene have become infiltrated with small groups of people using the genre to fund or promote sinister fringe political causes, and then on top of that you have edgelords who will align themselves with said dodgy lads in order to appear controversial, and then obviously bands who may not be of the wiser getting caught in the crossfire. But bands (and fans) need to realise that 99% of venues don't want nazis, or nazi sympathisers, or far right groups holding gigs at them (whether because of a moral reason, or lets face it more realistically they don't want the negative attention).
So basically you just end up with a cloud of bullshit with people aligning themselves (even unknowingly) with dodgy as fuck people, and it's all hidden under the guise of being 'evil' or 'violent'.
Don't get me wrong, I used to fucking moan about woke bullshit and super PC stuff, but then I realised I've met exactly 1 person in my entire life who would fit the bill of a stereotypical twitter woke holier than thou twat, whereas I've met loads of people especially in the last 3-4 years who go on unhinged tangents about foreigners, gays, transgenders, or whoever the latest group they've been told not to like are. And I don't even believe most of these people are really bigots or far right, they're just victims of stoked up culture war bullshit so no one acknowledges the world is fucked because it panders to billionaires and corporations instead of people.
Ok so go ahead and name the touring bands being cancelled that have actual ties to neo-Nazis or far right extremists? The bands you are talking about are only a very small percentage of what is being cancelled and in most cases these are one off shows as these bands can't tour in the first place. If you were to even list some of these bands on this forum most people would have never heard of them.
It is hardly a false equivalence they are going after the bands you don't like today do you think it will stop at that? As for DM bands Nunslaughter were getting shit from Antifa when touring Europe about 10 years ago what ties do they have to neo-Nazis or far right extremists? Bolzer got shit as well what ties do they have? Have you seen Okoi's father?
Venues for the most part don't give a shit what bands play once they get paid they just don't want the headache of having to deal with crusty idiots who will try to ruin them if they don't submit to whatever demands they make.
The Australian promoter who tried to stop Destroyer 666 doing a tour a few years ago turned out to be a pedo what a surprise. What is going on in music is no different to the cancel culture we are seeing in almost every other walk of life.
Including book bans, "adults" review bombing children's films, etc.
It has all gotten out of hand, but it's hardly surprising: who makes an effort to look at things case-by-case? Literally everything is literally conflated by literally everyone :laugh:
What bands have truly been cancelled?
Don't get me wrong, for example, I remember years ago fucking Dragonforce of all bands were getting called nazis and they came out and said oh yeah, we recorded a demo when we were like 17 and we had a bunch of retarded lyrics trying to be edgy, they're still going.
Just last year an author for NPR tried to call Matt Pike a nazi because he writes lyrics influenced by David Icke and HP Lovecraft, he came out and said it's just lyrical inspiration and he doesn't hate anyone, Sleep and High on Fire are still going.
I don't think Bolzer are nazi's but come on man, the guy has sunwheels tattooed all over his body, the symbols existed for hundreds of years before the Nazi's, but they're still obviously going to attract negative attention from people.
Also, isn't the guy from D666 a known dickhead? I don't know if he has any serious ties to dodgy shit but whether for shock value or not going on mad racist rants on stage is going to get you criticism. I'm pretty sure there also a story a few years back he got a hiding off Blasphemy for asking why they had a black guy in the band?
That link posted above by jmp4 is a bit overboard, I'm not defending people who hound bands (or create detailed databases evidently) because oh you played a small show with this obscure band who released a demo on a distributor owned by a sketchy guy once (which sounds the case in McLoves gig), I'm just saying if a band is seen to be involved with other bands who are known to be sketchy, it could be construed by certain people as supporting their views.
Two bands who will be playing here later this year have had entire tours cancelled because of this bullshit. A tour being cancelled especially for a smaller type band is a massive blow financially. I am not going to name them because I am sure we have people lurking on this board who would love to start this insanity over here.
As for D666 the music which is what was being cancelled has nothing racist whatsoever in it. I don't see how what KK says behind closed doors has to do with the band he plays in. The incident you are referring as the rumours go was dealt with at the time. Most people into the band aren't aware of that having happened so I doubt those trying to get them cancelled are.
He may go on rants on stage that offend some people but he never that I know of has said anything openly racist on stage. I am sure if you dig into anyones past you can find dirt on them that these days could be used as justification in the eyes of some to cancel them.
A Vassafor show I was going to in Berlin 13 years ago was cancelled because Kill who were supporting just happened to be on a label years before that who released something by Gestapo 666.
Gorgoroth and Taake most likely will never play in Ireland again because some Antifa idiot was antagonising Hoest non stop while he was on stage the last time Gorgoroth played in Dublin so he ended up smashing a wine bottle over his head.
I think the real issue, the worrying issue, which people who support cancel culture are failing to acknowledge, is the issue of what the cancelling cohort really want from all of this activity. Absolute power and absolute control. Just like the Nazis who they claim are everywhere and must be stopped and shut down at all costs. It's disgusting.
"Gorgoroth and Taake most likely will never play in Ireland again because some Antifa idiot was antagonising Hoest non stop while he was on stage the last time Gorgoroth played in Dublin so he ended up smashing a wine bottle over his head. "
Really? Never realised that kind of shit went down here 😁
Quote from: jpm4 on February 11, 2024, 07:01:38 PM"Gorgoroth and Taake most likely will never play in Ireland again because some Antifa idiot was antagonising Hoest non stop while he was on stage the last time Gorgoroth played in Dublin so he ended up smashing a wine bottle over his head. "
Really? Never realised that kind of shit went down here 😁
Oh yeah, yer man was an absolute dick, got what he deserved. Good gig, Honest gave him a fair clatter 😂
He wasn't an Antifa dickhead, I know him. One of the more aggressive lads I've ever gone for a pint with.
I was at the gig, Christ he got a right wallop. Did he just up and go home after it? Looked like a hospital job from where I was standing.
Ah right the Antifa thing was what was said on MI the next day. Tell him thanks anyway for seeing to it that we won't see Hoest playing live in Ireland again.
Quote from: jpm4 on February 11, 2024, 03:35:52 PMI find this whole "Band x are sketchy because a band members brothers cousins milkman did the artwork on a Hate Forest demo" to be seriously cringeworthy but also pretty fascinating.
Like on this site rateyourmusic.com/list/HelloInquisitor/black-metal-bands-and-their-politics/2/
Which classifies Primordial as a Nazi/Racist band for the most stupid reasons, but clearly some people take it very seriously.
I had a quick through that piece. Who wrote it? Is it like a list of bands that the writer has deemed safe?
Lost a few teeth. Worth pointing out he's not a friend of mine and I wasn't at it with him.
Understandable you feel the need to publicly distance yourself from the dope who ruined things for everyone. On point universal life lesson in there.
No idea who wrote it, but there does seem to be a very niche online obsession for sniffing out problematic black metal bands, usually by seeing how many degrees they are separated from Mgla or Deathspell Omega or whatever.
Pretty incomprehensible to me but I guess if you are young ,lefty and into metal it makes sense.
Not sure I get the confusion people have over it tbh.
Was the bassist from Qrixkuor who turned out to be a nonce 'cancelled' when all of the bands he was involved with came out condemning him ? No, of course not, he's a piece of shit and will be treated with hostility, well guess what lads, lots of people don't like nazis and lots of people will treat them with hostility (and that includes people they suspect of being nazis, rightly or wrongly).
People want the veil of 'danger' having shady characters in the scene adds but no one wants the actual danger of having shady characters in the scene (I think the kids call that a safe space :laugh:).
And it's not a young, lefty or metal head thing either, I imagine it's just the young lefty metal head equivalent of lads who stand outside refugee buildings all day or freak the fuck out about a 'they' person being on Eurovision. People are just way more emotionally involved in their political beliefs than they were 10 years ago and the general public are divided as ever.
No, I think you're still completely wrong. The reality is that the metal scene has always been more open minded to bands who espouse extreme political views because people feel they can choose to ignore them if they wish, follow them if they wish or listen to them while either embracing or rejecting their views if they wish.
There is also the glaring fact that lefties attack metal gigs because it's easy. They know there is absolutely zero threat of any kind of skin head activity at these gigs, just metal heads drinking pints and watching bands they like. It's funny how these people like to accuse metal fans of LARPing while they play at being heroes behind their computer screens. Complete fucking spas.
Metal heads seem to be both a group of dorks LARPing at being Nazis and also a bunch of Nazis who are a danger to society... which is it?!
QuoteThe reality is that the metal scene has always been more open minded to bands who espouse extreme political views because people feel they can choose to ignore them if they wish, follow them if they wish or listen to them while either embracing or rejecting their views if they wish.
Perfectly written statement, and it applies to all forms of art.
I'd agree with your first paragraph.
When did I say metal heads are a danger to society? You're completely missing the point. I'm not saying these bands are nazis, I'm not supporting the people who got the gig shut down, I am saying that whether you like it or not, associating with or even being accused of associating with nazis will generally result in negative reaction for pretty much any individual.
And yeah, if someone thinks it's cool but to have nazis or white supremacists or some shit around because it makes it feel 'dangerous' but they don't actually want any bad reaction that may come from that, then they are dorks larping.
And that's obviously a very tiny amount of people, because like you said, people at metal gigs don't give a shit about politics, they want to see bands.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 11, 2024, 08:01:09 PMQuote from: jpm4 on February 11, 2024, 03:35:52 PMI find this whole "Band x are sketchy because a band members brothers cousins milkman did the artwork on a Hate Forest demo" to be seriously cringeworthy but also pretty fascinating.
Like on this site rateyourmusic.com/list/HelloInquisitor/black-metal-bands-and-their-politics/2/
Which classifies Primordial as a Nazi/Racist band for the most stupid reasons, but clearly some people take it very seriously.
I had a quick through that piece. Who wrote it? Is it like a list of bands that the writer has deemed safe?
Wasn't there some craic on MI years ago about Vicki Cahill (The Generals daughter) having a go at Primordial for self censorship over some fanzine articles or something? The bould Vicki is a real Nazi, got some of the ashes of the the head nazi boyo in the USA.
Quote from: ldj on February 12, 2024, 07:28:51 AMI'd agree with your first paragraph.
When did I say metal heads are a danger to society? You're completely missing the point. I'm not saying these bands are nazis, I'm not supporting the people who got the gig shut down, I am saying that whether you like it or not, associating with or even being accused of associating with nazis will generally result in negative reaction for pretty much any individual.
And yeah, if someone thinks it's cool but to have nazis or white supremacists or some shit around because it makes it feel 'dangerous' but they don't actually want any bad reaction that may come from that, then they are dorks larping.
And that's obviously a very tiny amount of people, because like you said, people at metal gigs don't give a shit about politics, they want to see bands.
For someone who is not defending gigs being shut down you're making a pretty heavy case for it. It wasn't an Absurd gig, it was a gig by a band whose schtick is necromancy and black magic. The offending naughty band were removed from the lineup but it wasn't enough to appease the righteous. Fuck them.
Is off the mark to say people are far more invested in their politics when referring ti these cases.
Raising as issue and working on bringing about change are very different to keyboard heroics.
How is it that the people who want a band not to play seem to be in the shadows.
At least with the Christian type protestors they were outside a venue plain as day and you could engage or not.
Protest all you want, make you point and be as vocal as possible. Do it publicly. If a person feels that strongly over an issue or a situation then stand up and be counted.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 12, 2024, 07:58:12 AMQuote from: ldj on February 12, 2024, 07:28:51 AMI'd agree with your first paragraph.
When did I say metal heads are a danger to society? You're completely missing the point. I'm not saying these bands are nazis, I'm not supporting the people who got the gig shut down, I am saying that whether you like it or not, associating with or even being accused of associating with nazis will generally result in negative reaction for pretty much any individual.
And yeah, if someone thinks it's cool but to have nazis or white supremacists or some shit around because it makes it feel 'dangerous' but they don't actually want any bad reaction that may come from that, then they are dorks larping.
And that's obviously a very tiny amount of people, because like you said, people at metal gigs don't give a shit about politics, they want to see bands.
For someone who is not defending gigs being shut down you're making a pretty heavy case for it. It wasn't an Absurd gig, it was a gig by a band whose schtick is necromancy and black magic. The offending naughty band were removed from the lineup but it wasn't enough to appease the righteous. Fuck them.
Not really, I'm just explaining the 'logic' behind them getting cancelled. I've been at and will continue to go to many gigs that that wouldn't be considered 'acceptable' by people into this craic. If someone asked me about my Mgla shirt for example it'd be a pretty short "Don't know anything about them as people, just like their music" and that's that, for most people i assume that makes sense but I also know there's a chance for the small minority of crusaders out there they'd call me a nazi just for going to their gig or wearing their shirt.
My point is I know there's a chance of that happening (a minor example admittedly), but it comes with the territory.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Circlepit on February 12, 2024, 08:03:27 AMIs off the mark to say people are far more invested in their politics when referring ti these cases.
Raising as issue and working on bringing about change are very different to keyboard heroics.
How is it that the people who want a band not to play seem to be in the shadows.
At least with the Christian type protestors they were outside a venue plain as day and you could engage or not.
Yeah I'd agree with that, any self respecting lefist would probably be far more concerned with wanting our taxes going towards housing, healthcare, education etc rather than getting obscure black metal gigs cancelled on the off chance a neo-nazi might be present, but this is the twitter era, culture war bullshit rules above all apparently.
Hang on, amongst the conflating going left, right, and centre, we've had leftists protest about anything and everything given half a chance, and now we're onto they're only keyboard warriors and don't go out to protest?
Once again submitting an appeal for not trying to squeeze a wide and complex array of social phenomena into any one handy explanation. The extreme end of that spectrum happens to be where totalitarianism resides, whether of the left or right persuasion.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2024, 08:26:48 AMHang on, amongst the conflating going left, right, and centre, we've had leftists protest about anything and everything given half a chance, and now we're onto they're only keyboard warriors and don't go out to protest?
Once again submitting an appeal for not trying to squeeze a wide and complex array of social phenomena into any one handy explanation. The extreme end of that spectrum happens to be where totalitarianism resides, whether of the left or right persuasion.
If you are referring to my post I never said they didn't go out and protest. I said going out and protesting publicly and visibly is a far cry from what happens in the case of gigs getting pulled.
Yeah of course, we aren't talking about the left but the woke left or far left. Those who actively hunt out things to get upset about rather than accept that there are a range of responses to any issue, and that dialogue is possible. When a Grave Upheaval gig gets closed down it makes you wonder if every metal band is fair game. Apart from pandering to these bores, and kowtowing to their every whim, it seems that just being a death or black metal band puts you in the firing line these days. They are like the nosey neighbours of the underground, peeping through their curtains acting outraged by what the kids are at on the street but secretly exhilarated by it. It's a strange, unhealthy obsession.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 12, 2024, 08:36:19 AMYeah of course, we aren't talking about the left but the woke left or far left. Those who actively hunt out things to get upset about rather than accept that there are a range of responses to any issue, and that dialogue is possible. When a Grave Upheaval gig gets closed down it makes you wonder if every metal band is fair game. Apart from pandering to these bores, and kowtowing to their every whim, it seems that just being a death or black metal band puts you in the firing line these days. They are like the nosey neighbours of the underground, peeping through their curtains acting outraged by what the kids are at on the street but secretly exhilarated by it. It's a strange, unhealthy obsessiQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 12, 2024, 08:36:19 AMYeah of course, we aren't talking about the left but the woke left or far left. Those who actively hunt out things to get upset about rather than accept that there are a range of responses to any issue, and that dialogue is possible. When a Grave Upheaval gig gets closed down it makes you wonder if every metal band is fair game. Apart from pandering to these bores, and kowtowing to their every whim, it seems that just being a death or black metal band puts you in the firing line these days. They are like the nosey neighbours of the underground, peeping through their curtains acting outraged by what the kids are at on the street but secretly exhilarated by it. It's a strange, unhealthy obsession.
Exactly.
Quoted you twice by mistake. Apologies.
For as long as there are people creating extreme art, there will be people to get extremely upset about it. It is in fact the primary source of validation that there is anything "extreme" about the art in the first place. And as ldj was saying above, I personally have also met more than my fair share of metal fans who are genuinely extremely upset about the subjects those bands shriek and growl about. I.e. people with straight up fascist views, aggressively held. Many were white male European immigrants I met while living in London. If you want extremity in art, do you not have to accept that the part of the human condition that pushes certain people to create it is related to what makes other people lose their shit over it? Yes, the fallout sucks sometimes, be that a cancelled gig or, y'know, the occasional actual beating or murder rooted in fascist views held by someone in the scene.
We are going in circles. I would understand if an actual fascist band was cancelled, that's the game they are playing. But a link to a band's former band association, low down the bill who were removed to appease Big Brother etc etc etc.... whatever.
It's in everything. We are ruled by the whiney, neurotic and unhinged. You're right though, this only ever goes around in circles on here.
It's too easy nowadays - just email the venue/promoter. And no doubt they are going through all the gig listings with a fine-tooth comb finding "troublesome" bands or band members. I'm sure I've gone to plenty of gigs or events or films whatever art you can think of and, unbeknownst to me, there was people with extreme views working on it or behind the scenes. Not once have I gone to a gig and stood there thinking "oh my, does this person have the wrong political views?" - I'm there for music end of.
You think of the horrible things going on that actually have some impact and this is what these dopes decide has higher priority? Cherry picking narcissistic wasters. Nothing but for their own power grabbing ego in their groupthink echo chamber *drops mic*
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 12, 2024, 09:36:37 AMWe are going in circles. I would understand if an actual fascist band was cancelled, that's the game they are playing. But a link to a band's former band association, low down the bill who were removed to appease Big Brother etc etc etc.... whatever.
Yeah, I get it. I'm not talking about your one gig cancellation, I'm talking about the broader movements they're part of. Things are out of hand. But they're out of hand because of serious lack of intelligence across the board, which if we're honest with ourselves we have all witnessed.
"We are ruled by the whiney, neurotic and unhinged," like, grand, have it this way if you like. But then that includes whiney, neurotic and unhinged adult men who do things like review bomb children's movies :laugh: Same way as you can't be like "ah yes, such wisdom from this child" when said child is parroting a political view you approve but then be "omg that child has been
brain-washed!" when it's a view you don't approve.
I cant be bothered contesting your nonsense anymore. Not giving you any more excuses to warble for ten pages. You've had your fun now fuck off.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on February 12, 2024, 09:54:31 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on February 12, 2024, 09:36:37 AMWe are going in circles. I would understand if an actual fascist band was cancelled, that's the game they are playing. But a link to a band's former band association, low down the bill who were removed to appease Big Brother etc etc etc.... whatever.
Yeah, I get it. I'm not talking about your one gig cancellation, I'm talking about the broader movements they're part of. Things are out of hand. But they're out of hand because of serious lack of intelligence across the board, which if we're honest with ourselves we have all witnessed.
"We are ruled by the whiney, neurotic and unhinged," like, grand, have it this way if you like. But then that includes whiney, neurotic and unhinged adult men who do things like review bomb children's movies :laugh: Same way as you can't be like "ah yes, such wisdom from this child" when said child is parroting a political view you approve but then be "omg that child has been brain-washed!" when it's a view you don't approve.
I agree with that. Both differs are caught up in bullshit in their own ways but it's easier for me to ignore one that has no direct impact on my life, ie reviewing children's movies etc...
Just as a matter of interest, what numbers would the gig have attracted if it had gone ahead?
No idea. I've never been to that venue but I can't imagine more than a couple of hundred for Grave Upheaval.
I was listening to the new Gama Bomb album and there's a song referencing ancient Egypt, who used slave labour. They're clearly nazis so anyone know who to contact to get their gigs shut down this week?
I just don't get why venues and promoters give these people any time. Impaled Nazarene were supposed to play Incineration Fest this year, but got removed after a load of people online got pissy about them because they've some dodgy lyrics. But then Faust, a convicted murderer, played with Emperor at the same fest two years ago and everything was fine. The promoters weren't going to pull such a big draw, they should give the same courtesy to all bookings
Grave Miasma were accused of being nazis by some fuckin idiots that tried to cancel a gig in Germany on their last tour. A band with 2 Jews in it. Hilarious how ridiculous and retarded these people are.
Have you not heard man? There's a veritable global epidemic of self-hating nazi Jews at the moment!
The metal scene is so small and insular that you don't have to go the full six degrees of separation to connect any band you may care to mention with another more ideologically suspect group. Like, I'm fairly sure there's a photo out there somewhere of Robb Flynn standing next to the Slayer lads giving a Nazi salute. Now we all know how ridiculous that is, given what an enlightened soul Robb actually is, but it wouldn't take much for someone to make an assumption there.
Not Saint Robb!!! :o
I'd love to see that prick get cancelled. There's a Vio-Lence doc that has him calling someone a fa*got at the start of it. There should be a 10 hour edit of just that made and put on youtube. I'm joking. Sort of.
Quote from: open face surgery on February 12, 2024, 02:22:25 PMI'd love to see that prick get cancelled. There's a Vio-Lence doc that has him calling someone a fa*got at the start of it. There should be a 10 hour edit of just that made and put on youtube. I'm joking. Sort of.
Felt like that a bit too but then I had a long hard look out the window talking to myself and I thought that was a bit of a racist way to feel so I filmed myself doing it in black and white and made it a social justice commentary instead. Thank god the spirit of Robbie flynn is alive and well and not cancelled
Quote from: open face surgery on February 12, 2024, 02:22:25 PMI'd love to see that prick get cancelled. There's a Vio-Lence doc that has him calling someone a fa*got at the start of it. There should be a 10 hour edit of just that made and put on youtube. I'm joking. Sort of.
In fairness to him he's at least consistent. I can't recall a bandwagon since 1994 that he wasn't on.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJzeJiHHQOY)
Quote from: hellfire on February 12, 2024, 11:19:55 PMQuote from: open face surgery on February 12, 2024, 02:22:25 PMI'd love to see that prick get cancelled. There's a Vio-Lence doc that has him calling someone a fa*got at the start of it. There should be a 10 hour edit of just that made and put on youtube. I'm joking. Sort of.
In fairness to him he's at least consistent. I can't recall a bandwagon since 1994 that he wasn't on.
Burn My Eyes still isn't the worst tbf. Pity about the undercurrent of nazism but we can't win em all I suppose
I wonder will this have an effect on Grave Upheaval and Cemetery Urn getting gigs in future? The people involved in trying to cancel gigs presumably see these 2 bands as nazis by association, and promoters may not want to book them because of the controversy.
Quote from: Massey Ferguson on February 13, 2024, 09:02:51 AMI wonder will this have an effect on Grave Upheaval and Cemetery Urn getting gigs in future? The people involved in trying to cancel gigs presumably see these 2 bands as nazis by association, and promoters may not want to book them because of the controversy.
I didn't know that. I'll have to burn those CD's to protect my piety. Nazism really is everywhere :laugh:
Quote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 09:17:18 AMQuote from: Massey Ferguson on February 13, 2024, 09:02:51 AMI wonder will this have an effect on Grave Upheaval and Cemetery Urn getting gigs in future? The people involved in trying to cancel gigs presumably see these 2 bands as nazis by association, and promoters may not want to book them because of the controversy.
I didn't know that. I'll have to burn those CD's to protect my piety. Nazism really is everywhere :laugh:
I bought CD's directly from Rob Darken so they're definitely coming for me!
We should both be cancelled and sentenced to live out our days listening to anarcho punk.
QuoteI bought CD's directly from Rob Darken so they're definitely coming for me!
Ah good old Rob. Bought a load of vinyl from him recently myself. Have to say his customer care is second to none. Courteous emails, signed records - delightful.
Quote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 09:17:18 AMQuote from: Massey Ferguson on February 13, 2024, 09:02:51 AMI wonder will this have an effect on Grave Upheaval and Cemetery Urn getting gigs in future? The people involved in trying to cancel gigs presumably see these 2 bands as nazis by association, and promoters may not want to book them because of the controversy.
I didn't know that. I'll have to burn those CD's to protect my piety. Nazism really is everywhere :laugh:
When these anti free speech laws come into effect most of us on here could end up in court because of some of the releases we have in our collections.
Quote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 09:52:11 AMWe should both be cancelled and sentenced to live out our days listening to anarcho punk.
I'm currently listening to Deathsiege who are from Israel so I think that cancels out my dark dealings with Darken.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 13, 2024, 09:58:11 AMQuoteI bought CD's directly from Rob Darken so they're definitely coming for me!
Ah good old Rob. Bought a load of vinyl from him recently myself. Have to say his customer care is second to none. Courteous emails, signed records - delightful.
He's a gent and the prices are very reasonable in fairness. He's the Mr. Price of the Polish black metal scene.
It's almost like being back in the day when I'd have stuff hidden from my mother in case she would lose her shit and throw tapes or shirts on to the bin.
I remember my sister pointing out the explicit content sticker on GNR Lies. A rag flag to a bull. I told them the worst they said was bitch.
How has there not being a cancel movement against GNR, Motley Crue etc.
Would these massive bands and their management teams just crush the opposition?
Surely there is enough in their back story to trigger the shit out of people.
GnR have been dragged through wringer on manys an occasion. Sure didn't they end up leaving One In A Million off the Lies bonus disc with the Appetite reissue..?
It hasn't seemed to phase them.
I'd love to have seen Axl's reaction way back when if somebody tried to cancel him.
I'm sure they're on top of it. The whole of Lies was included in the recent Appetite For Destruction reissue boxset, with the exception of One In A Million, due to the lyrics. A cop out IMO, but an understandable one given the current climate.
Doesn't Hetfield call someone a 'fag' on one of the Live Shit discs?
Quote from: Circlepit on February 13, 2024, 11:19:49 AMIt hasn't seemed to phase them.
I'd love to have seen Axl's reaction way back when if somebody tried to cancel him.
It happened a lot.
Sure the "cross" cover of Appetite itself was a capitulation to all the outlets saying they wouldn't carry it with the original.
Quote from: Carnage on February 13, 2024, 11:21:13 AMI'm sure they're on top of it. The whole of Lies was included in the recent Appetite For Destruction reissue boxset, with the exception of One In A Million, due to the lyrics. A cop out IMO, but an understandable one given the current climate.
Doesn't Hetfield call someone a 'fag' on one of the Live Shit discs?
i recently encountered someone claiming Metallica were "all huge racists" all because of Newsted's theatrical goose-stepping to the start of Am I Evil on the Seattle gig and Lars and James cartoonish Nazi salute pic... overlooking Hugh Tanner and they've been paying about 20% to their Jewish management for about 40 years.
James has said some stupid things over the years, to be fair. 24 minutes in...
https://m.soundcloud.com/theafdshow/roberta-freeman-talks-one-in-a-million-race-and-james-hetfield-ep-201
I'd say him and Axl in a room together back then would have been fucking insufferable.
I hope you corrected them by pointing out that Lars and Jason are short enough, making them small to medium sized racists
I wonder do younger metal fans see a band getting gigs cancelled make them investigate them in " this must be savage " way.
The advisory sticker had that effect back in the day.
Quote from: The Great Cull on February 13, 2024, 12:18:29 PMI hope you corrected them by pointing out that Lars and Jason are short enough, making them small to medium sized racists
I wondered which direction Filipino Kirk directed his hate... which we know he wouldn't waste, of course.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 13, 2024, 10:43:47 AMQuote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 09:17:18 AMQuote from: Massey Ferguson on February 13, 2024, 09:02:51 AMI wonder will this have an effect on Grave Upheaval and Cemetery Urn getting gigs in future? The people involved in trying to cancel gigs presumably see these 2 bands as nazis by association, and promoters may not want to book them because of the controversy.
I didn't know that. I'll have to burn those CD's to protect my piety. Nazism really is everywhere :laugh:
When these anti free speech laws come into effect most of us on here could end up in court because of some of the releases we have in our collections.
The Hate Speech laws seem to have been quietly shelved for now.
Quote from: Massey Ferguson on February 13, 2024, 10:44:30 AMQuote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 09:52:11 AMWe should both be cancelled and sentenced to live out our days listening to anarcho punk.
I'm currently listening to Deathsiege who are from Israel so I think that cancels out my dark dealings with Darken.
Apparently liking anything from Israel makes you more fascist, not less. Ask Twitter. Half of my tattoos are done by an Israeli. I'm entirely irredeemable.
Quote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 02:01:15 PMThe Hate Speech laws seem to have been quietly shelved for now.
McEntee was on prime time recently over the fires being set and she was going on about them again.
She's an absolute headcase that one. It's hard to see them pushing it before the election. Deeply unpopular and internationally embarrassing. Assuming something resembling the current government gets back in then it will be pushed through rapidly.
Quote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 04:23:23 PMQuote from: Massey Ferguson on February 13, 2024, 10:44:30 AMQuote from: hellfire on February 13, 2024, 09:52:11 AMWe should both be cancelled and sentenced to live out our days listening to anarcho punk.
I'm currently listening to Deathsiege who are from Israel so I think that cancels out my dark dealings with Darken.
Apparently liking anything from Israel makes you more fascist, not less. Ask Twitter. Half of my tattoos are done by an Israeli. I'm entirely irredeemable.
Right, no more listening to Israeli bands so! I think it's okay to listen to Hate Forest as they're Ukranian.
I saw there was a comment about it on the venues facebook page which might be enough considering how public that is. I think it is not surprising if they are willing to cancel one event to protect their own reputation not to mention that they themselves might take some personal offence over it.
So Haste were previously called Gurn who had a two track demo on the label Australibus Tenebris which doesn't look too bad at first glance on discogs but definitely did put out some doge stuff. Like take a look at the artwork and song tiles of this release https://www.discogs.com/master/1753877-Wewelssburg-Subterranean-Gestation-Of-The-Glorious-New-Era This band had a split tape on Australibus Tenebris in 2020 but actually appear on much more doge labels. Anyway it is pretty full on and I guess this stuff is always around in some form or other actually youtube was recommending skrewdriver to me yesterday and I presume from after looking at that.
Ok so maybe the link is a bit tenuous and unfair to the other bands who might not be directly connected or would have travelled a long way.
On the subject in general I suppose someone can argue for artistic freedom or say that it is controversy for it's own sake or I'm only interested in the music and don't have to agree whatever opinion or that different people will find completely different things offensive or not anyway.
I would say fair enough but it shouldn't be hard to understand why some people would have a big problem with certain imagery or groups expressing the same ideology and should be very obvious really that a private business has no obligation to platform it either.
Personally myself honestly I think there is a moment when the red card needs to pulled out and if a music scene wants to be treated a certain way then perhaps that's up to them to a certain degree.
I've pretty much no interest in knowing the type of person who would go out of their way to cancel a show. The fact that someone went out of their way to make such a spurious connection sickens me. Fed up of these losers projecting their neurosis onto the world as a whole. Nobody pipes extreme metal in to elevators. You can avoid this stuff very easily by not listening to it.
Pretty much the height of it.
Quote from: hellfire on February 15, 2024, 10:37:03 PMI've pretty much no interest in knowing the type of person who would go out of their way to cancel a show. The fact that someone went out of their way to make such a spurious connection sickens me. Fed up of these losers projecting their neurosis onto the world as a whole. Nobody pipes extreme metal in to elevators. You can avoid this stuff very easily by not listening to it.
I don't think that being of the opinion that Nazis are bad is a neurosis.
"Fed up of these losers projecting their neurosis onto the world as a whole"
This is just what extremists do. Nazis first among them.
One sentence review of Mein Kampf: Loser projects his neurosis onto the world as a whole :laugh:
But they aren't going after Nazis in most cases, which I believe is the point. If they were going after actual far right groups, showing up at their hangouts and protesting I think nobody would be complaining too much.
Quote from: Skott Furys jizz rag on February 16, 2024, 09:48:15 AMQuote from: hellfire on February 15, 2024, 10:37:03 PMI've pretty much no interest in knowing the type of person who would go out of their way to cancel a show. The fact that someone went out of their way to make such a spurious connection sickens me. Fed up of these losers projecting their neurosis onto the world as a whole. Nobody pipes extreme metal in to elevators. You can avoid this stuff very easily by not listening to it.
I don't think that being of the opinion that Nazis are bad is a neurosis.
Nazi hunting in 2024 is the action of a lunatic. A couple of underground metal bands with lame connections to other politically ridiculous bands is not going to usher in the fourth reich. The Nazis are bad argument was settled almost 80 years ago. Lads who are running around acting like they have reinvented the wheel because they know that Nazism is bad are sad cases indeed. As Andy pointed out, they're not smashing up Golden Dawn hangouts either. Extraordinarily pathetic any way its viewed.
They're going after people who say things like this (interview with two members of Haste/Gurn from one of the links above: https://archive.is/tHY4P ):
Quotewe have experienced a lot of Jew-like behavior in the so-called "Melbourne Black Metal" scene, even though we do not consider there being a scene or that Mardraum was ever a part of, due to the cancerous amount of PC faggots and circle-jerking posers that infest it.
Now, we can be (overly) charitable and pass this kind of thing off as just bravado, metal aesthetic shit talk. But even as such, it's objectively about as immature as you can get. Personally, I feel like I'm in the mind of a teenager when I read that, all the more so that it's spoken from a place of self-anointed superiority. I'd say it's at least (!) equally as immature as thinking cancelling gigs is going to advance any kind of left-wing cause. Which leaves us with two groups of children scrapping over which of their equally immature visions of the world is best. Are they scrapping because one side is right and the other wrong? No, they're scrapping because they have childlike but opposing understandings of the world. Yes, pity your gig got cancelled, but it's an understandable part of the territory when dealing with children, albeit children capable of making sounds we enjoy listening to. Added to which, as I said above, the push-back from left-wing extremists is just about the only scrap of validation of extremity these immature NSBM mooks have left: they should be glad for it!
That's, like, so communist of you, Chris.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 16, 2024, 09:58:42 AMBut they aren't going after Nazis in most cases, which I believe is the point. If they were going after actual far right groups, showing up at their hangouts and protesting I think nobody would be complaining too much.
I reckon Australian TV need to dedicate a full hour to a public debate between you and Mr. Fuil Na Seanchoille on the subject. It's the only sane way to resolve this debate publicly.
:laugh: sure himself is into good black metal if I'm not mistaken :laugh:
How about a forum meetup where we bring knives. Only the worst offenders (myself included). Sure I could coax Kev out of retirement for that particular blood bath.
It's just so cheesy and cliche though why would anyone be bothered ? Like there is a real limit to how many ways a swastika or totenkopf or SS insignia can be put on the cover of an album until it all looks the same and becomes pretty much completely boring.
Regarding the venue I should automatically expect that I can walk into any pub in Ireland sit down at a table set up a little stall and start selling SS flags and copies of Mein Kampf because no one else in the pub will mind in the slightest not least the bar staff or manager or actual owner it will all just be perfectly normal and acceptable. If for some bizarre reason I am turfed out or get a punch in the nose then I need to find a forum to have big whinge about being the victim of sort of left wing conspiracy like you know what planet are people living on ?
Seriously though I don't see why a metal scene itself wouldn't self regulate itself in some way about it. Maybe it is easy to creep in because metal already has an sort of horror aesthetic but like it does all come across as ridiculously juvenile.
Looks like Solstice are currently under attack for some comments made by Rich. Lots of big statements being made and handbags at dawn, but regardless of what I may think about all of it, it's ultimately nice to see a metal band refuse to take the knee. I think it would have been stronger for them to simply say 'get fucked' than explain their position, but whatever, I'm sure they hope to keep playing gigs so there has to be some level of capitulation, even if it's roundabout. Roll on new Solstice music.
Where's this? Any links?
Reading that stuff is perfect with a mug of tea.
Links all up on their Facebook page.
Cripes there's several mugs of tea in that!
Finding that hard to understand, someone has been smearing the band over the last few years?
Handbags.
There's no evidence to suggest that taking the knee is of any benefit. The new religion only has dogma and original sin so far, no redemption.
Quote from: hellfire on February 17, 2024, 01:15:37 PMThere's no evidence to suggest that taking the knee is of any benefit. The new religion only has dogma and original sin so far, no redemption.
The fuckin state of the apologies and bent knees to the rules based order would make ya fuckin sick. Would have more respect for someone I disagreed with than someone I liked but who gave one of those Modern Apologies that are so in vogue. Pathetic loser stuff and what's more is nobody even believes those apologies but instead people satisfy themselves that at least the stupid bastards are adhering to the rules based order so at least they have conformity to make up for their absolute lack of integrity.
QuoteActually, following the comments I've just made I'd like to clarify matters somewhat and say that in my unthinking words from the last paragraph I now realise that my words may have been hurtful to someone I haven't yet thought of so I'd like to apologise unreservedly for that thing I said or did
Whatever it was, they're very sorry
Jesus I just about managed to make sense of that. Some rant.
It reads like something Alan Partridge would've written. "Needless to say I had the last laugh"
There's so many people referenced too - kinda feel sad I didn't get a mention as it doesn't seem hard to set off the b'auld Rich.
As I said in another thread, you really have to separate the art from the artist, otherwise you'd have a fairly limited music collection. Solstice are a great band but yer man Rich is a absolute twat. Giving out about airing dirty laundry in public, then launching into a massive explanation that no-one really asked for. Full text below for anyone who cares to read it. Personal highlight is the trans, disabled Muslim that Rich once met...he treated him well, y'know, so there's that. Plus he also worked door security at a gay nightclub, so that's incontrovertible evidence that he loves them auld homosexuals.
https://solstice-englander.blogspot.com/2024/02/G.F.A.H..html?fbclid=IwAR2yuWoSnwHSpdt5b-uK7oz_CDuxatS-QKwenZuUPc2sLRvQdwcr8csa_E0&m=1
QuoteAs I said in another thread, you really have to separate the art from the artist, otherwise you'd have a fairly limited music collection. Solstice are a great band but yer man Rich is a absolute twat
Oh I'm absolutely with you 100%. Rich pushes this to extremes. How can someone responsible for some of my all time favourite records be that much of a twat? Like literally every time he opens his mouth!
Australian government owned and directed media weigh in with what amounts to an open call for Panteras upcoming tour to be cancelled.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-28/hack-odyssey-the-dark-side-of-metal-music/103304782
Must check out Ignis Gehenna. That's about all I took away from that shit article.
Andy, how did Oz ever end up with a woke government? It seems out of keeping with every Aussie I've ever met.
I'm sorry. Best to be safe and just apologise before I go out the front door.
The lefty government are no more woke here than anywhere else. This is all just irrelevant bullshit. I checked out Ignis Gehenna and it wasn't my bag. Pity, would have been cool to have a local-ish band of interest to get excited about.
I wonder what the ratio of clicks into their music vs clicks into Sackaballs or whatever they're called will be after than article. I mean, who wants to check out An Garda Síochána BM...
Is the grind band in the balaclavas big over the metal scene over there?
Is their garb not a clarion call for cancellation as they dress like poster boys for terrorism?
I need to banish that article from my mind as it serves no purpose at all.
The absolute fucking state of that Dr. Hillier lad.
No idea who that grind band is. After reading the first few lines of Dr Expert I commit suicide.
Amazed that there is no mention of KK Warslut in that article
My mate just got his ticket at the weekend for Pantera in Sydney $300 AUD. If they get dropped I think the entire thing will be cancelled because the rest of the line-up is terrible.
Pantera at $300 per ticket won't get cancelled. It'll be the band whose singer once bought the ZyklonSS 88 demo playing to four people for $12 that will...
Quote from: John Kimble on February 28, 2024, 09:22:05 AMThe absolute fucking state of that Dr. Hillier lad.
The jacket with the patches, the neckbeard, a pure fuckin overeducated eejit
Who's currently doing the most murdering in the world? My money wouldn't be on metal bands.
:laugh: How long were ya sitting on that?
Speaking of cancelling venues, there was a situation here in Edmonton where a live music venue received a lot of backlash because it turned out one of its owners had been inappropriate with bar staff over the years. Once one came forward a whole lot more came forward and he ended up being arrested and sentenced to jail, which is all fair enough. Thing is, the backlash was so great that the venue was forced to close (as soon as the news became public the majority of bands scheduled to play there all began cancelling, people refused to go there, online hate etc).
Fast forward a few months and the venue is under new ownership and opening under a different name. The vitriol was still so great that this new place pre-opening started receiving a lot of online aggression. An online dialogue starts up and the new owner agrees to an open town hall with members of the local music scene. I went along for pure curiosity's sake (and because it was right beside where I live) and I watched this poor bastard field questions from the most entitled, demanding cunts imaginable for about 2hrs. He's trying to be diplomatic, but also politely put across that what happened before was nothing to do with him. People trying to tell him how to run his business, declare who the staff were online so people could vet them first, have a list of rules posted in the new venue it would abide by (which were ridiculous and unreasonable), let the public vet which bands could play there, plus a whole bunch of other crazy stuff.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, it's genuinely rare you come across these cunts in real life, but to see a collective of them going for it was quite the sight. This was a few years back when Me Too was more heightened. Of course the guy ended up just ignoring them, opened the venue, and it went on to be very successful and well-attended for a few years (though didn't survive covid).
It was a frustration watching local musicians shoot themselves in the foot like that. In a city where live venues were closing fast and only a handful remained, they successfully got one closed down, and tried to make it as difficult as possible for a new, completely unrelated one to open. Guess the outrage addiction is more powerful than the common sense, or the music...
Pure power-tripping mania from cunts who really should get off the dole and find a job :laugh:
Just seen most of Diocletian's UK dates have been cancelled due to venues being bombarded in a similar fashion, is this the future? Ay Caramba!!
If they get the paedo back in they can pull the minority card.
I think it's fine to have a paedo in the band, but they draw the line at Nazi paedos.
Didn't realise Diocletian were Nazis. I'll add them to my problematic CD's along with Burzum and Graveland. I won't burn them yet in case any of the lads have a change of heart and renounce white supremacy.
I heard about a Nottingham gig being cancelled, but not others. Have there been more in the last few days? Wasn't able to make their gig here last week as it was a school night and in an out-of-the-way venue, but was chatting with one of the organizers a few days before.
It seems only 2 of the 5 English shows went ahead Manchester and Newcastle.
Manchester is supposed to be tonight with three more dates through the rest of this week. Anyone got a link to announcement from band or promoter about those dates being cancelled? Tickets for London tomorrow seem to still be on sale, but that could also just be a delay in updating info.
I can't see the band making any announcement until the tour itself is over as all that will do is attract attention and result in even more cancelled shows. The tour is going right up until the middle of May.
Tickets are still on sale for Birmingham which is cancelled. No official announcement from anyone was made it is being discussed on another forum by people who were suppose to attend the shows.
Makes sense alright.
Any discussion about whether the cancellations were just down to supposed neo-nazi connections or was the V.K. stuff rolled into it too?
VK, the association with Impurath and some interview with one of Brendans other bands Solar Mass. No idea what the interview is about I never even heard of Solar Mass until today.
And according to the other forum some girl started Sieg Heiling during Diocletian's show in Newcastle and Brendan jumped off the stage and walked her out of the venue.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 29, 2024, 03:23:57 PMVK, the association with Impurath and some interview with one of Brendans other bands Solar Mass. No idea what the interview is about I never even heard of Solar Mass until today.
And according to the other forum some girl started Sieg Heiling during Diocletian's show in Newcastle and Brendan jumped off the stage and walked her out of the venue.
Yeah saw yer man from Trivax mention it on Instagram.
The Impurath thing is retarded it is just because he released one or two tapes on his label 10 years ago from bands that the cancel culture don't approve of. Sure he is one of the original Blasphemy fanatics and is very good friends with Caller of the Storms.
As for VK wasn't the Diocletian facebook page suspended after they posted what they would do to him if they ever crossed paths again back when VKs original court appearance was made public. As usual the allegations are just a reach from outsiders who have nothing better to do and most likely won't even be listening to this kind of music 5 years from now.
Yeah, they couldn't have been clearer in their disowning. Was first thing to come to mind just since it'd be the easiest lever for anyone out to get them to jump on.
Caller of the Storms is on the new album :laugh: :laugh:
Yeah, I believe Uncle of the Toms threw in a couple of solos alright.
Ha, he is and all on it didn't know that. The album is up on Youtube now it sounds good similar style to Doom Cult but with much better production. The only downside is no Impurath vocals on this one which I thought was one of the strong points of the last album.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 29, 2024, 10:33:02 PMYeah, I believe Uncle of the Toms threw in a couple of solos alright.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Quote from: mickO))) on April 29, 2024, 10:37:20 PMThe album is up on Youtube now it sounds good similar style to Doom Cult but with much better production. The only downside is no Impurath vocals on this one which I thought was one of the strong points of the last album.
Listened to it last night. Solid, going for a second spin now.
Riplash Ally just posted some photos from the London gig, so that one at least went ahead.
As did Manchester last night from what I saw. I'd say it's just Bristol.
They haven't posted any tour reports or photos in a few days though, so micko must have been right about them deciding to keep quiet and pass the rest of the UK tour under the radar. Smart!
They played Bristol tonight. So what gig was actually cancelled?
Looks like the Glasgow show may have been the only one cancelled in the end.
Have we gone up a level? More and more bands cancelling themselves!!!
QuoteIt is with a heavy heart that we will no longer be appearing at this year's Resurrection Festival.
As a band we cannot justify performing at an event sponsored by Repsol, one of the world's 50 largest emitters of CO2 (InfluenceMap, 2022) who continue to prioritise investment in oil and gas over climate solutions and to develop new fossil fuel projects (Delaporte, Her and Gebel, 2024).
While Repsol are sponsoring the event to promote the usage of HVO in place of traditional fossil fuels at Resurrection, studies show the environmental destruction caused by these fuels through industrial deforestation and stress on land resources vastly outweigh any benefits (Einride, 2020).
We do not wish to participate in the rehabilitation of one of the world's biggest polluters by performing at an event which has them as a main sponsor.
We sincerely apologise to anyone who was coming to see us at the festival and we hope to be back in Spain soon.
The climate thing in particular is odd when it comes to a touring act. I presume the band weren't cycling to the festival or any of their other booked dates. You'll get the "We're only a small contributor" Vs "Corporate Contributor" argument but it doesn't wash really. I haven't seen any bigger acts take this stance of threatening to cancel yet, seems to be a younger, woke phenomenon. In terms of acts with actual clout you will hear the like's of Coldplay's insufferable Chris Martin shite on about Carbon Neutral touring, but if you're turning on the lights at Croke Park for half a million people over a weekend it ain't carbon neutral unless the light show and amps are being powered up by a little auld'fella back stage cycling a bike.
Or what about this one?
QuoteIn a dramatic turn of events, the hardcore band Dying Wish has issued an ultimatum to the organizers of Download Festival XXI, set to commence at Donnington Park in Leicestershire, England. The band has threatened to withdraw from the festival unless Barclays Bank, a controversial sponsor with alleged ties to the Israeli military, is removed. This bold stance comes just hours before the festival's opening, adding a layer of tension to what is typically a highly anticipated event for metal music enthusiasts.
Earlier today, Dying Wish took to social media to make their demands clear. They stated unequivocally that they "will not be involved" with the festival if Barclays remains a sponsor. The band's post read, "Either Download will drop the Barclays sponsorship or we will be dropping the festival. We will not be involved without it. We appreciate your patience over the last few days as we sort this out. Shout out to every band and person involved in the boycott and FREE PALESTINE."
The controversy centers around Barclays Bank's alleged financial involvement with companies that supply weapons and technology to the Israeli military. This has sparked outrage among several bands and activists, who accuse the bank of indirectly supporting the ongoing conflict in Gaza. The situation has escalated to the point where Dying Wish, along with other bands like Scowl, Pest Control, Ithaca, Speed, and Zulu, are prepared to boycott the festival if their demands are not met.
Pest Control, one of the bands that has already pulled out, issued a statement explaining their decision. They accused Barclays of overseeing "billions of dollars in investments and loans to companies whose weapons and technology are used in Israel's onslaught against the Palestinian people." This sentiment is echoed by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign and Bands Boycott Barclays, both of which have been vocal in their opposition to Barclays' involvement in various music festivals.
Absolutely no disputing the gravity of the situation in Gaza. But scanning the list of sponsors attached to Download and thinking where to feckin start!!!! The other side of it is it's a ridiculous protest in some ways - the festival will lose about 10 pounds with bands like that dropping off, also way to kill your potential career by pissing off organisers. The band might've been better off playing and getting their message out from the stage, though I really despise that kind of stuff. You're at these things to forget about what's going on in the world for a while.
Oh no, who, who and fuckin who cancelled! Muppets.
Lankum signed on to a letter that got Barclays dropped as a sponsor from the upcoming Latitude festival just a couple weeks ago. Actually, just verifying that here, turns out Barclays have dropped all their festival sponsorship, incl Download:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgg13nn0kgo
Principles aside, protest can definitely work in a band's favour in certain circumstances. All the Irish bands, including Kneecap for example, who pulled out of SxSw festival in Texas earlier this year, they got much wider global publicity out of that move than they would have by performing and saying nothing. So, even taking the cynical angle (and presumably in the case of some bands it's the right angle to take) it's not necessarily a losing ticket. Those Download bands whose names I've already forgotten, I wouldn't have even heard of them in the first place if they'd just played :laugh:
Wasn't aware of the Kneecap thing, or Lankum for that matter but I'm not 100% sure it changes my stance on things. Are we just going to have a scenario where bands are cancelling things left right and centre? It's a frickin minefield, you'd have to be cleaner than clean yourself for a start. Which ironically enough Kneecap aren't - they court controversy when it suits them. Now I don't particularly care - in the context of what they are it's to be taken light heartedly but when they get on their soap box then it changes things.
Good shout about the protest working in a bands favour - given the nothingness nature of the two examples I pulled maybe it's part and parcel of the PR package?
Never heard of them, looked at the rest of the Download lineup and haven't heard of 80% of the other bands
The big companies sponsoring these things are all full of shitty practices, if they keep getting pressured to pull out you'd wonder on the future of these size festivals
Scowl & Speed are two of the most popular upcoming hardcore bands at the moment and Pest Control came up through the DIY punk scene(as did Lankum) so fair play to them for sticking with the boycotts.
It's definitely a minefield but whatever folks can do helps in the long-run.
Genuinely asking, is it helping though? Is it making a difference?
The emissions protest from resurrection fest is doing sweet fuck all I can tell you unless that band have figured out how to walk to shows or power their amps using solar panels.
The boycott businesses maybe is murkier, remove one, great but look at the lists on some of these things - Hellfest for example.
There's probably a fair few of sponsors waiting in the wings when a sponsor pulls out on the level of Hellfest etc. No one likes leaving money on the table.
What I meant was there's twenty or thirty sponsors attached to something like Hellfest. A band singles out one because their beliefs or practices don't align with theirs. But the 29 other sponsors are clean? Not a hope.
Nothing in life, not even life itself, works on the basis of "unless perfect results are guaranteed, do nothing." Things, certain corporate activities, certain attitudes, etc., becoming taboo is incremental, and in that sense things do/can help in the long-run.
I absolutely appreciate that. But if you're singling out a sponsor, I think you've got to look at them all. If you're singling out an ideal, same thing. Where does it stop? A band on the bill has different ideals to us, we're not playing, blah blah. Your quote is great, and I lobbed in the initial examples to get a discussion going which we have done, but the word perfect is used in respect to results or outcome. Do any of these protests achieve anything beyond minor nuisance? It's not Tiananmen Square stuff, I'd nearly park it in the category of internet activism.
That's exactly what it is. At its most effective it is as BSC said above, canny self promotion. So where does that leave the idealism? I am naturally averse to this carry on anyway, but if they were really serious about it, if they are willing to pull out of any festival that has the wrong band or the wrong sponsor, then why agree to it in the first place? You only really end up fucking over the promoter who is the one putting it all on the line to get your irrelevant arse there in the first place.
Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Did the Dunnes strike contribute in real terms to the end of apartheid in South Africa? I don't know how that might be calculated, yet I feel it was a positive action on the part of those who did it. Same time, could've been said to them, "Well why aren't you refusing to touch Coca-Cola's [or whoever] products too?"
Pretty sure I've said it on here before, but my basic personal conviction is that on the whole it's better for society if individuals believe their own actions can potentially contribute to large scale societal changes, even if the vast majority of attempts come to next to nothing. Within that, there'll always be people cynically hopping on the band-wagon, XYZ-washing, or doing activism in ludicrous, harmful, or mean-spirited ways: humans be humaning. But I personally still prefer presence of protest to generalized cynical apathy which, historically, has tended to hide very real suffering somewhere out of sight.
Yes that's fair enough. I just think that in the case of a metal festival, Barclays or whoever being removed as a sponsor will only damage the festival. The presence of Barclays advertising at the festival would presumably have zero impact on their profits but their contribution towards the organisation and booking of the festival might actually be vitally important. Yeah yeah, the promoters can go and find another sponsor, but it can't be all that easy to get sponsors on that level who have the potential to make a real impact on the booking of bands, flights, catering, booking hotels, drivers etc etc etc.
Dunnes example is a good one! And I believe it had impact, at the very least in terms of highlighting the situation and raising overall awareness. Of course it didn't end apartheid but I do think a great example of something small making a contribution and it's still referred back to as something of a statement in Irish history. The people involved could've lost their jobs, there was risk and result.
Whereas there's something hollow about these cancellations, the bands in question have nothing to barter with. Download will not collapse if Dying Wish don't play and as young Mclove says in respect to sponsors like Barclays "Contribution towards the organisation and booking of the festival might actually be vitally important". Potential to be more damaging if anything. Really the only people I think that would be impressed is the bands few fans that might be swayed by such things.
Just going to add to this a bit, I've gone onto both acts pages just to check out the online sentiment. The eejit that sings for Dying Wish predominantly wears Nike and Converse, some are suggesting endorsed by one or both. So morals out the fuckin window really if you're happy enough to wear items that are clearly made through the process of exploitation, usually women and children. Again, I'm not an activist, most of our stuff is made in sweat shops, very hard to buy something truly ethical. I don't lose any sleep over it, awful as those places are, you can't really fight city hall on some things. But when you're demanding the removal of sponsors etc as I said earlier, you'd want to be able to hold yourselves up to the bar you've set.
The climate activists on the other hand are receiving dogs abuse - this quote made me chuckle
Quoteyou knew this before you took the slot but you're just doing this because it's the trendy thing for bands to do at the moment. moist behaviour
Samhain Fest in Maastrcht have just announced a 'Banned merch list' and anyone seen wearing anything by the bands listed will be refused entry or asked to leave. The list includes Burzum, Satanic Warmaster, Peste Noir, Graveland, Hate Forest, Absurd. I understand they're controversial bands but crazy times that you'll be turned away from a metal festival for what merch you're wearing. They also waited until the fest was sold out to say this.
Is that the same fest that just booted D666?
Edit: Sorry, that was Samaïn Fest in Brittany, not Samhain Fest in Belgium :D
Dress code at a metal gig :laugh:
Quote from: Mithrandir on October 22, 2024, 09:31:38 PMSamhain Fest in Maastrcht have just announced a 'Banned merch list' and anyone seen wearing anything by the bands listed will be refused entry or asked to leave. The list includes Burzum, Satanic Warmaster, Peste Noir, Graveland, Hate Forest, Absurd. I understand they're controversial bands but crazy times that you'll be turned away from a metal festival for what merch you're wearing. They also waited until the fest was sold out to say this.
Absolute state of that. Paragraphs typing out in my head in an instant, and yet none of them able to capture the true spirit of my absolute disgust at this and anyone who wants to turn up at it
Fucking hell. Who are these wimps and posers...
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 22, 2024, 10:16:43 PMIs that the same fest that just booted D666?
Edit: Sorry, that was Samaïn Fest in Brittany, not Samhain Fest in Belgium :D
FB link to post:
https://www.facebook.com/events/6786113351441694?post_id=8545545555498456&view=permalink
Maybe they'll provide stickers for people to cover up offending patches on their jackets :D
I read the post in that link, it says you'll get kicked out for wearing neo-nazi shit.
They "urge" you not to wear merch from said bands, doesn't say you'll be booted for it:
(https://i.ibb.co/wwxGH3W/Screenshot-20241023-003436-Firefox.jpg)
What does we strongly urge you not to wear a Burzum t-shirt mean if it doesn't mean you'll get kicked out? They'll give you a disapproving look and make you really really feel bad?
I'm sitting here in a Burzum T-shirt finding this whole thing heily amusing.
Fucking hell.
Arghoslent aren't an NSBM band so it's fine to wear one of their t-shirts along with a Trump hat.
Quote from: Giggles on October 23, 2024, 12:44:49 AMI read the post in that link, it says you'll get kicked out for wearing neo-nazi shit.
They "urge" you not to wear merch from said bands, doesn't say you'll be booted for it:
(https://i.ibb.co/wwxGH3W/Screenshot-20241023-003436-Firefox.jpg)
The organizer has asked what other bands he should include in the list to not miss anything. What would the purpose of this be other than to decide whether somebody is denied entry or be asked to leave, What's the alternative? Bold corner by the entrance?
Friendly reeducation and indoctrination into RABM kvlt.
Quote from: Mithrandir on October 23, 2024, 09:39:31 AMThe organizer has asked what other bands he should include in the list to not miss anything. What would the purpose of this be other than to decide whether somebody is denied entry or be asked to leave, What's the alternative? Bold corner by the entrance?
I'm just pointing out that the post doesn't specifically state that you will get kicked out or refused entry for wearing a certain band's shirt.
And yeah I agree, it's silly making up rules like this after the tickets were bought.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 23, 2024, 01:51:46 AMWhat does we strongly urge you not to wear a Burzum t-shirt mean if it doesn't mean you'll get kicked out? They'll give you a disapproving look and make you really really feel bad?
I imagine that it's to scare people into not wearing said merch. Maybe they're afraid of getting negative press with the shit storm of bands pulling out of recent festivals. Who knows 🤷
Imagine if this is the next thing now being told what you can and can't wear to a gig. Festival line-up looks shite.
Yeah, just checked out the line-up and it's not particularly inspiring.
Do I have any difficulty with a festival not wanting neo-Nazi symbols/imagery on display? Not really. Should they moderating band tshirts? Equally no.
Quote from: John Kimble on October 23, 2024, 06:48:21 PMYeah, just checked out the line-up and it's not particularly inspiring.
Do I have any difficulty with a festival not wanting neo-Nazi symbols/imagery on display? Not really. Should they moderating band tshirts? Equally no.
This is it. Making a list like that just encourages young lads to whip out the phone and look them up anyway.
Exactly. And even though the line-up for that festival is fairly safe and uninspiring, I'd imagine if you did a deep dive into past members of some of those bands, you wouldn't have to go the full six degrees of separation to find some tenous link to dubious politics or views. Where's the cut-off point? Vetting of patch jackets at the door? Curated by Dawn Ray'd?
These cunts have forgotten that they are entertainers.
Absolute bananas carry on. Is it frowned upon to wear a Burzum shirt in public these days? Like at a random gig or in the pub? They are one of the biggest bands in metal for fuck sake.
Even Kanye West likes to wear Burzum t-shirts....
Quote from: Grim Reality on October 24, 2024, 02:28:15 PMIs it frowned upon to wear a Burzum shirt in public these days?
I doubt it :laugh:
And yeah it is bananas carry on, seems like some virtue signalling shit. It reminds me of business's sporting pride flags like they actually give a fuck about queers.
But then again, the festival venue (MUZIEKGIETERIJ) has an "all inclusive" speil in their terms and conditions, so maybe the festival organisers are being put under pressure from them, who knows? Or maybe they're just wimps 🤷
Quote from: mickO))) on October 23, 2024, 06:26:38 PMImagine if this is the next thing now being told what you can and can't wear to a gig.
Some festivals have banned bullet belts and spikes/studs larger than 1cm for years, so technically they already are :laugh:
They have also
urged people not to wear anything that represents extremist religious or political views for years too. But that doesn't stop people from walking around with shirts that say "Jesus is a cunt"!
Quote from: Giggles on October 24, 2024, 05:58:42 PMQuote from: Grim Reality on October 24, 2024, 02:28:15 PMIs it frowned upon to wear a Burzum shirt in public these days?
I doubt it :laugh:
And yeah it is bananas carry on, seems like some virtue signalling shit. It reminds me of business's sporting pride flags like they actually give a fuck about queers.
But then again, the festival venue (MUZIEKGIETERIJ) has an "all inclusive" speil in their terms and conditions, so maybe the festival organisers are being put under pressure from them, who knows? Or maybe they're just wimps 🤷
All Inclusive to some people! The fuckin stupidity is mind boggling really. Also, re the pride flags for queers thing at least they can say they care about the pink pound and stuff, but who exactly are these fuckin eejits pandering to?
oh no not the Burzum shirts that have exactly nothing offensive about themBoycotts would be nice for both this and the only thing more offensive, which is dynamic pricing
Quote from: astfgyl on October 24, 2024, 06:09:15 PMBoycotts would be nice for this
Be better if everybody showed up in a Burzum shirt :abbath:
I read some of the fb comments there, fucking hell, get a load of this guy replying to somebody who asked how the hell Burzum are a nsbm band:
Quotehe is a goddamn fashist and murderer. If that doesnt bother you, it doesnt speaks for you. Sure, go on with that "separat art from artist" BS for a fashists work and give him all the atention he can get and help him mske a living from it. At best while blasting R.Kelly at full volumen because the music is not "rapist", he? Lost Prophet next? Who cares about morals? Let help the fashist get into the nainstream even more and give them all the opirtunities they can get for networking and spreeding theire hate even more. The dudes with the same ideology that destroied all the "entartete Kunst" back in the day? No tolerance for intolerance. Simple as that.
Quote from: Giggles on October 24, 2024, 07:05:28 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 24, 2024, 06:09:15 PMBoycotts would be nice for this
Be better if everybody showed up in a Burzum shirt :abbath:
I read some of the fb comments there, fucking hell, get a load of this guy replying to somebody who asked how the hell Burzum are a nsbm band:
Quotehe is a goddamn fashist and murderer. If that doesnt bother you, it doesnt speaks for you. Sure, go on with that "separat art from artist" BS for a fashists work and give him all the atention he can get and help him mske a living from it. At best while blasting R.Kelly at full volumen because the music is not "rapist", he? Lost Prophet next? Who cares about morals? Let help the fashist get into the nainstream even more and give them all the opirtunities they can get for networking and spreeding theire hate even more. The dudes with the same ideology that destroied all the "entartete Kunst" back in the day? No tolerance for intolerance. Simple as that.
It must have taken four or five of them smashing their combined brain cells together to come up with that level of insight.
What the fuck is 'entartete kunst'
I'm picturing Varg waiting impatiently for his next Burzum cheque to clear so he can spread some more online racism.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 24, 2024, 07:39:30 PMWhat the fuck is 'entartete kunst'
Degenerate art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art)
Saw a statement from the organisers clarifying further. Very reasonable and pretty such exactly what I understood from their initial post. But let the speculation and thought experiments continue sure.
"Since there have been some questions regarding this post of ours, I wanted to take the time to clarify a few things.
We are talking explicitly NSBM bands here, and yes I know Burzum falls outside that genre but to this day, the man has been an unapologetic Nazi and that's why he is included.
It's not the case that we will directly proceed to toss people out; I want to start dialogues and give people the chance to put on an appropriate (non-NSBM) garment.
Obviously we're aware that people aren't always fully up-to-date on what their favourite bands have been getting up to, and the last thing we want to do is demonise people for their merch choices or make them feel as if they're Nazis unjustifiably. So no, we won't be barring the door to people or tossing them out because they're wearing a shirt of some obscure band that secretly keeps some questionable connections.
We just wanted to grasp this opportunity to raise awareness about these themes, while at the same time ensuring that the festival offers a safe and fantastic experience to everyone.
What -will- immediately get you thrown out? Blatant Nazi stuff: Totenkopf, swastikas, sunwheels, 88, Sieg Heil, and we might just call the police in such instances too, but that is only right and proper."
As much as I think it would've been reasonable to remind ticket holders that there are laws around displaying Nazi symbolism in the Netherlands, and potentially expanding that for people to say "So please also don't wear band shirts with any such symbolism on them" if they believed that was going to be a risk, I personally don't see it as a reasonable benefit/harm assessment to publish a list of bands who are banned, especially if that's going to stretch to material that's not offensive in itself but is made by someone with distasteful views. Probably a decent sized risk someone will be wearing something HP Lovecraft inspired, and his personal views, similarly absent from his art, were just as distasteful. So ultimately it feels to me that this is going to have very little tangible benefit but may well add yet another drop to the ocean of polarization to the point of dialogue being impossible. That's the sense I get off it anyway.
I suppose it's fair enough about Nazi symbolism but banning it won't change anyone's mind, will it?
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on October 26, 2024, 03:54:45 PMSaw a statement from the organisers clarifying further. Very reasonable and pretty such exactly what I understood from their initial post. But let the speculation and thought experiments continue sure.
"Since there have been some questions regarding this post of ours, I wanted to take the time to clarify a few things.
We are talking explicitly NSBM bands here, and yes I know Burzum falls outside that genre but to this day, the man has been an unapologetic Nazi and that's why he is included.
It's not the case that we will directly proceed to toss people out; I want to start dialogues and give people the chance to put on an appropriate (non-NSBM) garment.
Obviously we're aware that people aren't always fully up-to-date on what their favourite bands have been getting up to, and the last thing we want to do is demonise people for their merch choices or make them feel as if they're Nazis unjustifiably. So no, we won't be barring the door to people or tossing them out because they're wearing a shirt of some obscure band that secretly keeps some questionable connections.
We just wanted to grasp this opportunity to raise awareness about these themes, while at the same time ensuring that the festival offers a safe and fantastic experience to everyone.
What -will- immediately get you thrown out? Blatant Nazi stuff: Totenkopf, swastikas, sunwheels, 88, Sieg Heil, and we might just call the police in such instances too, but that is only right and proper."
The fact that they had to explain further seems to suggest that the original statement was not exactly self evident. As I said, no issue with a festival wanting an outright ban on Nazi symbolism. I can't imagine any festival/event would want the bad publicity or an outright boycott, especially in this climate. But the shirts thing is bollocks. I have no time for Varg's politics, the lad is a loon, but I'll gladly listen to his music. Am I being a hypocrite? Maybe. And that patronizing line about people not being "fully up-to-date on what their favourite bands have been getting up to"...fuck off would ya. I know full well. Reminds me of the other day when I caught my kids watching Space Jam. I fucked a mug at the telly, smashing the screen, and proceeded to lecture my 10 year old about the past crimes of R Kelly.
I generally don't know anything about any bands politics, and on purpose so it doesn't put me off so I'd imagine myself and many like me could be wearing something offensive unawares.
And like fuck ya as well if my shirt upsets you. Their clarifying statement doesn't make me feel it's less retarded at all tbh
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on October 26, 2024, 03:54:45 PMSaw a statement from the organisers clarifying further. Very reasonable and pretty such exactly what I understood from their initial post. But let the speculation and thought experiments continue sure.
"Since there have been some questions regarding this post of ours, I wanted to take the time to clarify a few things.
We are talking explicitly NSBM bands here, and yes I know Burzum falls outside that genre but to this day, the man has been an unapologetic Nazi and that's why he is included.
It's not the case that we will directly proceed to toss people out; I want to start dialogues and give people the chance to put on an appropriate (non-NSBM) garment.
Obviously we're aware that people aren't always fully up-to-date on what their favourite bands have been getting up to, and the last thing we want to do is demonise people for their merch choices or make them feel as if they're Nazis unjustifiably. So no, we won't be barring the door to people or tossing them out because they're wearing a shirt of some obscure band that secretly keeps some questionable connections.
We just wanted to grasp this opportunity to raise awareness about these themes, while at the same time ensuring that the festival offers a safe and fantastic experience to everyone.
What -will- immediately get you thrown out? Blatant Nazi stuff: Totenkopf, swastikas, sunwheels, 88, Sieg Heil, and we might just call the police in such instances too, but that is only right and proper."
I don't think it was all that clear when the organiser was making comments like this initially:
(https://i.ibb.co/PCXkvF5/Screenshot-20241024-082231-Facebook-2.jpg)
I feel like they're going back on their original stance a little as they've received more backlash than expected. I understand they think they're doing a good thing and there's good intentions behind it but as Astfgyl said, the whole thing is still retarded.
Complete and utter bullshit.
Putting a sticker over a Burzum patch...how utterly retarded is that. That lad can get fucked.
Looks a pretty clear case of them meaning to deny entry to people initially, seeing the backlash over it, and backtracking saying they never meant it that way all along. Total nonsense.
Ah lads. For fuck sake. Do ye truly believe this is bullshit?
Just because someone makes an initially ham-fisted attempt at trying to steer people away from advertising for the utter dross of society like Varg and his ilk, doesn't really mean they shouldn't try.
The guy is awful. A truly fucking awful person.
Listen to his music. Enjoy it. Send him some holiday pics. I enjoy Arghoslent, but I'll never give those cunts a cent or advertise for them on a shirt.
If you decide to wear and advertise stuff by someone with an ideology, then others may not like. And some may even decide they don't want you at their party.
So you may cry bullshit and you may feel slighted against. So go and do what we all did when someone did something we didn't like.
Go and cry into your pillow. And then do nothing.
Yes, I do believe it's bullshit.
How exactly do you enjoy Arghoslent? Have you purchased some of their music? If not, have you listened to them on YouTube? Then, directly or indirectly, you've endorsed them to some extent.
I rarely wear band merch these days but on the odd occasion that I do, it's not with the intent of 'advertising' anyone. It's just a band and a T-shirt that I happen to like. If you want to get all woke and airy-fairy about it, then surely a metal festival should be a "safe space" (ugh, that phrase) to do so without being judged.
I wouldn't be a huge fan of Cannibal Corpse these days, in fact I'd consider them to be a bit of a harmless novelty act. Show their lyrics to someone who's been the victim of a sexual assault and I wonder would they consider them harmless? Probably not. As I mentioned previously, if you were to do a deep dive into the backgrounds of any of your favourite bands, you probably wouldn't have to go too far to unearth something dodgy.
It's also about expectations. I probably wouldn't go to Primavera or even Roadburn wearing a Burzum tee as I'd imagine it'd get some kind of adverse reaction. I wouldn't expect the same reaction at a festival with 1349 and Rotting Christ on the bill.
So yeah, vetting of band t-shirts at a metal festival sets a ropey precedent.
Wearing a Satanic Warmaster t-shirt isn't an act of violence. It's just part of being a fan of the band. Who fucking cares about anyone else's political opinion when you're at a festival? That's not what anyone goes there for, but promoting this kind of nonsense is merely a way of the promoters advertising their own political stance. But who fucking cares??? Stick to your job which is putting on bands and stop policing people for nothing. If someone decides to throw out Roman salutes and gets aggressive with people that's an entirely different story, but isn't that where security come in to play? Making people put tape over their patches and t-shirts is a form of intimidation and bullying- the exact problem they are claiming to be fighting against. Muppets.
Quote from: John Kimble on October 27, 2024, 09:47:32 AMYes, I do believe it's bullshit.
How exactly do you enjoy Arghoslent? Have you purchased some of their music? If not, have you listened to them on YouTube? Then, directly or indirectly, you've endorsed them to some extent.
I pirate their albums. But yeah, I would accept that point otherwise.
Quote from: John Kimble on October 27, 2024, 09:47:32 AMI rarely wear band merch these days but on the odd occasion that I do, it's not with the intent of 'advertising' anyone. It's just a band and a T-shirt that I happen to like. If you want to get all woke and airy-fairy about it, then surely a metal festival should be a "safe space" (ugh, that phrase) to do so without being judged.
I wouldn't be a huge fan of Cannibal Corpse these days, in fact I'd consider them to be a bit of a harmless novelty act. Show their lyrics to someone who's been the victim of a sexual assault and I wonder would they consider them harmless? Probably not.
I assume most of us are sufficiently capable of telling the difference between Cannibal Corpse's cartoon violence apart from a band with genuine belief. I'm sure some people may find an issue with them, which is fine, but I'm happy enough they're not actually out there jizzing blood and knifing clunges until proven otherwise.
Promoting race theories and nazi ideologies though is something that has been an issue with a few of those bands and I don't believe most of it was done with tongues in cheeks.
Quote from: John Kimble on October 27, 2024, 09:47:32 AMAs I mentioned previously, if you were to do a deep dive into the backgrounds of any of your favourite bands, you probably wouldn't have to go too far to unearth something dodgy.
I absolutely agree. And if I wear something that has dodgy connections then that's my problem and I'm fair game to be challenged on it by someone who may have more knowledge on it than I do.
Now, I want to point out that I'm not trying to say these bands or shirts should be banned or burned or whatever. But people can decide whether or not they want them at their private event which you can choose to attend or not.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 27, 2024, 10:08:34 AMIt's just part of being a fan of the band. Who fucking cares about anyone else's political opinion when you're at a festival? That's not what anyone goes there for, but promoting this kind of nonsense is merely a way of the promoters advertising their own political stance. But who fucking cares??? Stick to your job which is putting on bands and stop policing people for nothing.
Yeah but it's not really their actual job is it? They're not delivering a public service funded with public money. The event can be as political or non-political as the organiser sees fit. But it absolutely should have been clearer from the start that they don't want certain bands advertised by people.
And I would argue that depending on the content of lyrics, the imagery a band uses or topics discussed in interviews, a lot bands are very much open to political and social discussions. And by extent the gigs and events they play are open to criticism.
Fair enough. I am completely against this carry on, though. I listen to all kinds of bands and I'll decide for myself which t-shirts are ok for me to wear. I'm 42 years old, I don't need some virtue signaling 18 year old to wag its finger at me or to re-educate me. I struggle to think of anything more detestable. And putting myself in their shoes makes it even harder to understand- imagine being so much of a self-satisfied, sanctimonious cunt that you would be happy to make a stranger cover up their t-shirt. It's beyond laughable. It's disgusting. Pretending that wearing an Absurd t-shirt is an act of violence makes such arguments even more pathetic. I hate it.
It is a private event, but they're taking flak in the same way they would be if they'd said anybody wearing clothes made by a brand that uses sweatshops would be turned away. You go about these things with a modicum of wisdom or you take flak. And it's counter-productive because it just does play into the trope of "the left, not the right, are the ones doing the censoring these days!" In reality, they both want to censor as much as each other, just very different particular things. Anyway, I want to know why the yoof aren't more down with this kind of leftist tradition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-oV42OMQoE
Varg Vikernes seems to be a nazi.
I like the first Burzum album.
I bought a Burzum T-shirt from Plastichead this time last year.
Am I a nazi?
Should I be prevented from going to this or that event because of it? With or without my black partner?
Ah nice, pulling the race card. I knew I should have married ethnic!
Quote from: spiritcrusher on October 27, 2024, 11:52:14 PMI assume most of us are sufficiently capable of telling the difference between Cannibal Corpse's cartoon violence apart from a band with genuine belief. I'm sure some people may find an issue with them, which is fine, but I'm happy enough they're not actually out there jizzing blood and knifing clunges until proven otherwise.
You're right, most of us are. But if you were a female, not familiar with the music, and you saw an audience of predominantly white males working themselves into a frenzy while some lad onstage spewed out lyrics about rape, you mightn't find much solace or indeed humour in the assertion that it's just cartoon violence. I get the point that it's not ideologically driven, but plenty of bands have suffered guilt by association even with the most tenuous of links. Didn't Marduk get grief previously for using WWII imagery or something?
Anyway, I think I've exhausted whatever point I was trying to make in the first place. Again, I don't really care for politics in music, I just know what I like music-wise. I'd rather listen to Burzum any day of the week than virtue-signalling shite like Dawn Ray'd who just appropriate Black Metal. If I see someone wearing a Burzum tee, I'd just assume they're someone who happens to like their music rather than someone with dodgy politics. I'd hope that someone running a metal festival would have the same level of insight.
Although maybe there's a solid argument to be made for (true) black metal being too ugly and antisocial- proper outsider music- to share a stage with other forms of metal music. Maybe at its best it should be shunned.
Lefties make their intolerance for certain behaviours clear and it's self-righteous, 'woke', condescending etc, righties make their intolerance for certain behaviours clear and they're bastions of free speech, sticking it to the man, bringing violence back to metal!.
If you show up to a Napalm Death gig wearing a Burzum shirt you'll probably get some funny looks (probably mostly by the band if anything), but if a transgender person showed up to an Absu or D666 gig they're probably not going to feel very welcomed either so it evens out.
Nobody on the 'right' is going around telling people what they should and shouldn't be listening to or getting gigs cancelled etc. Also no idea what Absu has to do with anything or are you bringing them up because Proscriptor didn't want a transexual in his band? So now they are all of a sudden far right? It's his band and he can have in it whoever he wants. You can hardly blame him for not wanting the band to turn into a joke or should he have just said fuck the band I want to be politically correct.
I didn't say they're far right, but if he thinks giving a long time guitarist the boot because they came out as being transgender it doesn't exactly scream "Everyone's welcome", does it. When a band sacks a member for doing or saying something dodgy they get all the slaggings for being 'woke', so why does the same not apply to Absu at the opposite end of the spectrum?
In most cases when someone is sacked for saying something the band usually has to scream it from the rooftops to show everyone how progressive they are in this case it was the lad that got sacked who ran around screaming about what happened in a failed attempt to get the band cancelled. Proscriptor has never even spoken about it in public and most likely just wanted to move on. Saying someone like that would feel very unwelcome at an Absu gig is like saying a Christian would feel very unwelcome at a Deicide gig.
Yeah because when most people are associated with someone dodgy they usually like to make it clear they're not involved in their dodginess, not sure if there's anything dodgy about being a transsexual. Might have taken a bit more balls if they had stuck with the guitarist and challenged their audiences perception of who 'should' be playing black metal, but instead they took whatever the conservative version of virtue signalling is and gave them the sack because they were embarrassed by it.
Whether people like it or not all sub-cultures have their own social rules and codes, if people are putting on a gig or festival and want to create an 'inclusive' atmosphere that is open to people of various races, genders, sexualities etc, then yeah that apart of that 'inclusivity' might exclude t-shirts or symbols that could be associated as hostile to those values. Just like whether we like it or not there are some gigs and events where the 'inclusivity' extends to people wearing certain emblems or throwing out an innocent sieg heil.
If Nazi's feel 'safe' at an event, it's only going to make other people feel unsafe, that's the general idea behind all of this whether we like it or not, and yeah, it's shit that the people getting caught in the crossfire will mostly just be normal music fans who happen to like x band who have done or said something dodgy, but surely we at least understand the reasoning?
Feel safe? Ah here, what are we even on about here boys.
Ban Middle Eastern looking lads from Ariana Grande concerts and gay discos if that's the true aim.
The reasoning, if you can call it that, is foolish. Making martyrs and cult heroes out of Absurd and Graveland (I'm sure they'd be delighted with the upswing in merch and record sales from NS curious young f'las) for the sake of 'inclusivity'.
Ah here, where the fuck are we going. Over semi-readable band logos on a lads t shirt. Amazing.
I mean, there's certain places all over Europe atm you will definitely be ejected from if you're wearing anything showing support for Palestine so not sure I understand your point.
The idea that 'lefties' should tolerate conservative intolerance is retarded, it doesn't go both ways. But in saying that I still maintain anyone who listens to a band solely based on their political ideology, whether painfully woke or right wing, is dumb poser shit.
Do people listen to bands solely based upon their political ideology? Earth Crisis and Screwdriver existed so maybe.
I'm not disputing that there are places you should stay away if you are dressed a certain way, jaysus you could list examples all day and I've done it myself. But censoring band tees? At a metal fest? So lads can 'feel safe' as you put it? That's complete, disingenuous bullshit on the part of the organisers.
I was at NWN/Hospital Fest in Osaka in April. Day 1 was all black metal and day 2 was noise sort of stuff. There were trans and queer types in dresses knocking around among a multitude of dodgy far right black metal band t-shirts. The vibe was completely cool. No hassle that I witnessed over the two days, just metal and industrial heads who no doubt had a wide range of beliefs all there for a common cause- underground music. Exactly how it should be.
The devil's music going woke is actually pretty funny tbf
İt's been 'woke' a lot longer than it's been conservative, people must have forgotten when Rob Halford convinced an entire generation of metalheads to dress like they're going to a gay fetish club :laugh: :abbath:.
An aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.
I have a Burzum shirt, I want a Satanic Warmaster shirt. I'm not a nazi or racist. I don't care who want where etc.
I like the music. I respect your right to be offended, I respect you right to offend me. I hope everyone feels safe now.
A new teacher at the local school rocked up in a Gary Glitter t shirt, some of the parents wanted him sacked out of concern for their children's safety, it's utter woke nonsense! :laugh:.
Quote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 08:06:33 PMAn aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.
Haha yeah I knew something was bugging me there...Satan's Trampoline or something loopy like that
Quote from: ldj on October 29, 2024, 07:59:27 PMİt's been 'woke' a lot longer than it's been conservative, people must have forgotten when Rob Halford convinced an entire generation of metalheads to dress like they're going to a gay fetish club :laugh: :abbath:.
Between him and Freddy Mercury I just don't know how anyone didn't know before they came out. Anyway, my interpretation of woke is being offended on someone else's behalf and I really thought that with the whole rock and metal thing that it would be the last place that would be happening but then again I also don't really care other than to laugh at it. I honestly don't want to know the politics of the music I listen to because I'm sure many of them are pure spas but I just want to enjoy the music
Can people wear Neurosis shirts and whatever that band is where yer man was meant to be beating the shite out of Lingua Ignota? I don't remember seeing them on the list
I just think the word 'woke' has lost all meaning, it's become basically the modern version of hipster.
I have a Neurosis hoodie, maybe I'm a hypocrite, I don't know, but the band don't endorse Kelly's behaviour, they certainly don't promote it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to certain bands, if we chose not to listen any music or watch any film that had an arsehole involved somewhere in the process we'd have nothing. I love the first couple of Burzum records, but I also know he is associated with certain questionable movements, I don't assume anyone wearing the merch is a nazi (I assume most of it is bootlegged now anyway, at least the records around mostly seem to be now), but come on, I'd expect that symbolism might not be welcome in certain spaces just like I might be asked to leave my nephews confo if I wore the COF Jesus is a Cunt shirt :laugh: .
Your nephew sounds like a total snowflake.
I'm listening to Through Silver In Blood this minute and I don't feel any more likely to abuse my family than on a regular day
Quote from: ldj on October 29, 2024, 10:13:28 PMI just think the word 'woke' has lost all meaning, it's become basically the modern version of hipster.
I have a Neurosis hoodie, maybe I'm a hypocrite, I don't know, but the band don't endorse Kelly's behaviour, they certainly don't promote it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to certain bands, if we chose not to listen any music or watch any film that had an arsehole involved somewhere in the process we'd have nothing. I love the first couple of Burzum records, but I also know he is associated with certain questionable movements, I don't assume anyone wearing the merch is a nazi (I assume most of it is bootlegged now anyway, at least the records around mostly seem to be now), but come on, I'd expect that symbolism might not be welcome in certain spaces just like I might be asked to leave my nephews confo if I wore the COF Jesus is a Cunt shirt :laugh: .
All fair and reasonable enough. But the final point is a false equivalence. Wearing a Jesus is a Cunt t-shirt will resonate on more than one level and wind people up simply because of the language used. Plus wearing it to a confirmation makes no sense whereas maybe wearing it to a COF gig would be entirely appropriate, even though there would surely be a number of people at that gig (fans and venue staff) who would find it stupid or offensive. Should you get kicked out of the gig for that?
Depends where the gig is. If it's at Hellfest, it's possible. Would they actually though? Probably not. Excerpt from their 'Terms and Conditions' https://hellfest.fr/en/general-terms-and-conditions-of-sale:
Quote4.5/ Prohibited Items
Political, ideological, religious, or advertising signs and banners are also prohibited.
Violators may be denied access, escorted out, and may face legal action.
Graspop 'House Rules' (page 2) has a very clear list of what is and what isn't allowed, but then they have an additional part where they strongly urge people what not to wear, while not explicitly stating they'll get kicked out for it...
https://www.graspop.be/gallery/overview/download/127:
QuoteAND ALSO...
Clothing and/or other (visible) distinguishing marks advocating extremist views or expressing sympathy for a political
or social movement or group: bad idea. All other outfits: the dafter the better. The organiser can adjust/expand
this list at any given time.
Isn't every band or logoed T-shirt an advertisement in and of itself?
Next people will be shunned for having tattoo's. I find this so fucking lame and seems to be the opposite of metal. What happened to being rebellious wearing your favorite metal band tshirt. Now being censored essentially.
Quote from: Thorn on October 29, 2024, 09:41:50 PMQuote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 08:06:33 PMAn aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.
Haha yeah I knew something was bugging me there...Satan's Trampoline or something loopy like that
Having flashbacks to the time you were asked about Satan's Tarmpoline in the Terrorizer letters page, are ya? ;D
Quote from: astfgyl on October 29, 2024, 09:48:29 PMQuote from: ldj on October 29, 2024, 07:59:27 PMİt's been 'woke' a lot longer than it's been conservative, people must have forgotten when Rob Halford convinced an entire generation of metalheads to dress like they're going to a gay fetish club :laugh: :abbath:.
Between him and Freddy Mercury I just don't know how anyone didn't know before they came out. Anyway, my interpretation of woke is being offended on someone else's behalf and I really thought that with the whole rock and metal thing that it would be the last place that would be happening but then again I also don't really care other than to laugh at it. I honestly don't want to know the politics of the music I listen to because I'm sure many of them are pure spas but I just want to enjoy the music
Can people wear Neurosis shirts and whatever that band is where yer man was meant to be beating the shite out of Lingua Ignota? I don't remember seeing them on the list
We live in a world where German punks will give you shit for wearing a Burzum tshirt, but will also give you shit for denouncing Israel being genocidal maniacs. At this point I'm not sure what "woke" actually means or who the fascists are.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on October 30, 2024, 12:14:45 PMQuote from: Thorn on October 29, 2024, 09:41:50 PMQuote from: Carnage on October 29, 2024, 08:06:33 PMAn aside: the thread title sounds like the name of a Lawnmower Deth song.
Haha yeah I knew something was bugging me there...Satan's Trampoline or something loopy like that
Having flashbacks to the time you were asked about Satan's Tarmpoline in the Terrorizer letters page, are ya? ;D
Something like that..
Germans though. One of my best mates is a Gerry (from Nürnberg!), and he'll have a laugh about the Romper Stomper soundtrack and Dermot Morgan doing his German bit on the late late but any mention of Israel or BiBi being the most gigantic cunts on the planet and the arse falls out of him completely.
No, both woke and based are meaningless terms these days and although I'm sure they started with possibly good intentions, they're just derogatory terms for The Others now. More tribalism.
Look at the end of the day anyone who really feels bad about not being able to wear things to gigs can simply not go to them as well. Much like one can't get into a pub in a tracksuit for the most part. It's a bit of a laugh in a thread like this but it's all futile as well
Edit: I think I may be misremembering
Quote from: Circlepit on October 29, 2024, 08:41:33 PMI have a Burzum shirt
Discarding that will be the key to the gate *gets coat*
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/can-i-still-listen-to-david-bowie-a-superfans-dilemma
Quote from: astfgyl on October 30, 2024, 11:21:44 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/can-i-still-listen-to-david-bowie-a-superfans-dilemma
No, after writing this abomination of a half-assed hitjob you're not allowed to listen to anything decent. Case closed, put on some Sleep Token or whatever it is that retarded folk are listening to novadays.
Like I'm a card carrying woke lefty and I still listen to Bowie and wear my Burzum t-shirt. Regarding the festival, it's no big deal, I hate wearing slacks but the job demands it
Quote from: koper on October 31, 2024, 03:39:28 PMQuote from: astfgyl on October 30, 2024, 11:21:44 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2023/may/06/can-i-still-listen-to-david-bowie-a-superfans-dilemma
No, after writing this abomination of a half-assed hitjob you're not allowed to listen to anything decent. Case closed, put on some Sleep Token or whatever it is that retarded folk are listening to novadays.
What's a sleep token, is that a euphemism for xanax?
Edit: I didn't write that btw
Edit 2: can we not all concentrate on the fact that some people are offended by some things and then we will all finally be as one
Funnily enough, I'm in Brisbane for the weekend and in the city yesterday seen this hipster looking queer-ish dude in an Arghoslent shirt but really couldn't tell if it was just a fashion statement or if he was into the band but from what I'm told he won't need to worry, not too many people would disapprove of their message in queensland ???
Eindhoven metal meeting were forced by the venue to remove Impaled Nazarene from the lineup even though they have played there previously. The madness continues.
As good of a resource it is, I can't help but feel like Metal Archives has made it too easy for people to dissect every single thing a band has ever done, a bands demo that was released on a 'sketchy' label 20 years ago, the spiderweb of who they share members with, scour lyrical content..etc just to hunt for things they deem cancellable.
I don't know if the Metal Archives would have even been an issue in this case, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just the band name that provided some of these snowflakes with their little soap box to jump on. How ironic for Imp Naz to get cancelled in our enlightened, equality obsessed, free speech for all, times.
Yeah the metal archives thing I meant in a more general sense, wouldn't be hard to find something controversial about impaled naz even without it :laugh:
I seen the other day that people are still trying to 'cancel' Dragonforce because the guitarists played in some shitty black metal band 30 years ago and had some questionable lyrics. The unwillingness to accept that people do dumb shit when they're younger that they grow out of is crazy. At this point I'm surprised people haven't picketed Abaddon Incarnate gigs :laugh:
Oh bollix to all of that shit. People just need to get a life and the ones who are offended just haven't been offended enough yet. I look forward to contributing to their education at every opportunity.
Actually no I don't give a fuck because I've known that sad cunt people have been sad cunt people forever and they deserve themselves.
I wouldn't even want them to stop because they need to be handicapped forever and I wouldn't want to get on their way
Not the first time with Impaled Nazarene either, think it was last year they got pulled from Incineration Fest?
Quote from: Mithrandir on December 05, 2024, 09:44:59 PMYeah the metal archives thing I meant in a more general sense, wouldn't be hard to find something controversial about impaled naz even without it :laugh:
I seen the other day that people are still trying to 'cancel' Dragonforce because the guitarists played in some shitty black metal band 30 years ago and had some questionable lyrics. The unwillingness to accept that people do dumb shit when they're younger that they grow out of is crazy. At this point I'm surprised people haven't picketed Abaddon Incarnate gigs :laugh:
Cancel Dragonforce? Now THAT I can get behind, bring it on snowflakes!
Quote from: Mithrandir on December 05, 2024, 09:44:59 PMYeah the metal archives thing I meant in a more general sense, wouldn't be hard to find something controversial about impaled naz even without it :laugh:
I seen the other day that people are still trying to 'cancel' Dragonforce because the guitarists played in some shitty black metal band 30 years ago and had some questionable lyrics. The unwillingness to accept that people do dumb shit when they're younger that they grow out of is crazy. At this point I'm surprised people haven't picketed Abaddon Incarnate gigs :laugh:
The Dragonfoce thing has been around for about 10 years it first came up when people started throwing it at Kim Smelly due to her previous association with them after she decided to become an SJW.
I went in to Diocletian tonight in Melbourne. The venue was kept secret to prevent it being cancelled so Antifa put an alert on their Facebook page warning all non whites, trans and queers to avoid Richmond as there was a far right event being held. It was potentially unsafe for them to venture near the Nazi rally...
The first dude I see standing outside the venue as I arrive is an Asian lad in his early twenties with a Revenge t-shirt on :laugh: the gig, packed with people of all types as usual, was completely marred by good vibes, no violence or aggression, people drinking, chatting and watching bands. I really hope no trans people were beaten up or killed in the process. I didn't see any bloodshed by the time I left but you never know...
Such utter muppetry. It's actually funny as fuck at this stage :laugh:
Didn't Destroyer 666 do secret gigs in the UK recently too?
Ah that is laughable. Yknow I've listened to Diocletian over the years and had no idea they were associated with anything one way or the other. Some folk are obviously working hard to keep something going to make themselves relevant, or am I wrong and there are actually metal gigs where non white or non binary people can't go? Like a Julius Malema gig in reverse?
Damon Bloodstorm did a recent video interview and mentioned about this show coming up. He said they know who is behind the cancellation attempts but didn't want to name him.
Did you see Cemetery Urn?
Haste seem to be the ones attracting the unwanted attention.
Quote from: mickO))) on February 15, 2025, 03:27:30 PMDamon Bloodstorm did a recent video interview and mentioned about this show coming up. He said they know who is behind the cancellation attempts but didn't want to name him.
Did you see Cemetery Urn?
No I got in late. Saw a bit of Heresiarch- not my cup of tea- and Diocletian- my cup of tea. I got in for free so it was grand missing most of the bands but I wouldn't have minded seeing one or two others.
These lads would rather spend their time shutting down small gigs of 50 to 100 people that are only going to go see Diocletian or whoever for the music than actually do a bit of good for their community, take the effort and time ye spent into cancelling a metal gig where the majority of the crowd are only there for the riffs and put that into homeless outreach or some other social endeavor
It is nothing but self- aggrandising (to their mates) nitwittery. Hysterical rubbish.
The new Eoin McLoveLive album is awesome
Quote from: Eoin McLove on February 15, 2025, 02:06:25 PMI went in to Diocletian tonight in Melbourne. The venue was kept secret to prevent it being cancelled so Antifa put an alert on their Facebook page warning all non whites, trans and queers to avoid Richmond as there was a far right event being held. It was potentially unsafe for them to venture near the Nazi rally...
The first dude I see standing outside the venue as I arrive is an Asian lad in his early twenties with a Revenge t-shirt on :laugh: the gig, packed with people of all types as usual, was completely marred by good vibes, no violence or aggression, people drinking, chatting and watching bands. I really hope no trans people were beaten up or killed in the process. I didn't see any bloodshed by the time I left but you never know...
Such utter muppetry. It's actually funny as fuck at this stage :laugh:
Seen that guy Brandon that put it on had done a radio interview about it on some local station over there and they had to remove it from their website due to complaints. Crazy stuff. Back to the underground :abbath:
The place was jammed so maybe he knew what he was doing, but keeping the underground underground is alright by me 8)
It was moved to a bigger venue as well so no issue for them. Usual nonsense anyway.
Steelfest posted this last night :laugh: :laugh:
QuoteSteelfest 2025 – A Bold New Direction!
In response to the ever-evolving needs of modern audiences, we have decided to expand the Steelfest experience beyond.
STEELFEST DARK TOURISM Bus Tour
Embark on a dark journey to the "sacred sites" of Finnish black metal. On this tour, you might spot someone and visit a convenience store that allegedly sold HAILSTORM in 1994. On this tour you have opportunities to buy something dirty priced KVLT.
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Feeling overwhelmed ? Someone said something what you don't agree? We've got you covered. Meet our Mopsi and Poodle, our certified emotional support dogs. They'll be there to lick away your existential dread.
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Join our expert panel as we explore how black metal can become a more inclusive and uplifting space.
STEELFEST SAFE & INCLUSIVE Expression Showcase
We understand that traditional black metal themes are problematic, so we've carefully curated a gentler and more inclusive experience. Expect:
Non-offensive lyric reinterpretations to ensure no feelings are harmed.
Synchronized mindful movement.
A designated quiet space for those who find traditional black metal overwhelming.
Thoughtful discussions on consent in extreme music.
Embrace a kinder, more understanding black metal experience!
GUIDED TOUR "A Journey to Hell"
A deep dive into the true underground experience:
Start at a trendy craft beer bar (because nothing says rebellion like a 18€ IPA).
Browse overpriced vinyl at an "underground" record store.
Remember to buy dirty priced souvenirs, important.
:laugh:
Quality.
That's pretty funny - are there many dodgy bands at Steelfest this year?
Maybe there should be a doggy band with Mopsi and Poodle?
Quote from: jpm4 on April 01, 2025, 12:43:57 PMThat's pretty funny - are there many dodgy bands at Steelfest this year?
Kanye
Fair play to them.
Quote from: jpm4 on April 01, 2025, 12:43:57 PMThat's pretty funny - are there many dodgy bands at Steelfest this year?
The dodgiest thing they have on this year is that Sarcofago reunion.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 01, 2025, 01:43:23 PMQuote from: jpm4 on April 01, 2025, 12:43:57 PMThat's pretty funny - are there many dodgy bands at Steelfest this year?
The dodgiest thing they have on this year is that Sarcofago reunion.
Yeah truly, what a load of shit that will be.
'True sons of Satan' announced for 2 sets at Australian antichrist fest in Melbourne in January. A 'cover band' playing Unchain the wolves in full one night and a set of "Australian classics" the other night, venue to be revealed. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Unchain the Wolves in full sounds tasty! But am I fucked? Am I fuck.
Ticket secured 8) 8)
Only for the first Unchain the wolves night, can't be fucked with day 2, especially seen as day 2 is actually 2 days after and pretty much just D666 and Impiety all over again.
I see Dead Congregation put out a statement (link below) about appearing at Metal Threat. From what I gather, after Destroyer 666, Grave Desecrator, Satanic Warhammer, and potentially others had to pull out due to their visas being denied, the festival organizer pulled in some last minute bands which included (I think) Graveland, GBK and Arghoslent..?
https://www.facebook.com/deadcongregation/posts/pfbid0FiFLgumzhqRMgi2Us85T2hvoWgYLcaEZXyzbs8PF8Yc1UPvUDPNx2Wv4DkAspmDul
I expect that, regardless of how it came about, this line-up will be dragged into future arguments driven by hysterical people who have great difficulty with genuine thinking.
It looks like Dead Congregation are the latest band to join the apology bandwagon. Very sad to see I never expected Anastasis to do this. I would have thought had this ever come up he would have taken the Mgla approach and just said fuck off.
QuoteWe feel it's time to clarify our position regarding our participation in this year's Metal Threat Festival, especially in light of recent discourse. Here are the facts:
• This was our third time performing at the festival. Previous editions had no association with politically charged bands and nothing in our past experiences suggested this year would be any different.
• Beyond the festival itself, Metal Threat organized a 14-day North American tour for us. Tours of this nature require extensive planning and coordination over several months, involving local promoters, venue staff, crew, merchandise suppliers and others who invest significant time and resources.
• Importantly, Metal Threat is also our official sponsor for U.S. work visas, which makes them our legal employer during our stay. This means our ability to act independently is limited by U.S. immigration law and the terms of our visas.
• When we agreed to play this year's edition, we had no knowledge of the controversial last-minute additions to the lineup. By the time those bands were announced, backing out would have led to serious consequences — not only for us but for everyone involved in the tour. These could have included the cancellation of our visas and a potential 10-year ban from reapplying for entry into the U.S.
• Even if we had withdrawn, we recognize that some would still accuse us of acting too late or doing so purely for damage control. In other words, our reputation was at risk regardless of the path we chose.
• Given these circumstances — and the fact that our performance took place on Sunday, a day untarnished by sketchy bands — we made the difficult decision to proceed. Choosing to fulfill our commitments was not an endorsement of other bands' ideologies.
Let us be clear: we did not appreciate being on the same bill as a handful of NS white power acts. However, when contracts are signed and obligations set in motion, choices become limited. Accusations of being "Nazis by association" are not only deeply offensive, but also entirely unfounded.
Our commitment to professionalism under difficult conditions should not be mistaken for tolerance of extremism — from either end of the political spectrum.
This is not an apology. It is not an excuse. It is not us bending the knee to the PC inquisition or internet bullies who 'demand' explanations. These are the facts.
Ok beat me to it. I just saw Cazz Grant posted this :laugh:
QuoteWait, Dead Congregation too? It sure isn't the 80s or 90s anymore!!! haha
I don't think Graveland were last minute just GBK and Arghoslent.
I guess then this represents the other end of the spectrum, i.e. the kind of stuff DC are trying to shelter themselves from:
Quoterefusing to play with a neonazi band like arghoslent that glorifies the black slave trade is the lowest possible bar and master still failed it by playing metal threat, so we're withdrawing from friday's show at @924gilmanstreet support to @bitterendbooking for doing the right thing and canceling the show. we're still leaving heavy talent, but i would like to clarify that heavy talent only reps sinister, the sinister and master tour was booked as a package, and master booked their show with metal threat directly through paul dunski and not through heavy talent
https://www.facebook.com/rippedtoshredsband/posts/pfbid0UUamHZV6HSVcD7CYnM9fDUkx8PDM3ov3y37wHjRxjZd92g2YVKk87QR6BkfWH8vil
Never heard of Ripped to Shreds, personally.
I don't see the issue. Band decide to clarify they don't want to be associated with neo nazis?Fine, more power to Anastasis and co.
I've no issue with DC's clarification. The statement from whoever Ripped to Shreds are, and other actual or potential statements of its kind, is where the issue is, since it seems that what they're condemning Master for is... exactly what DC's situation was: both Master and DC played Sunday, whereas the last minute additional NSBM bands played Friday.
Calling Arghoslent a neo nazi band is a stretch yes they have controversial lyrics but nothing referencing Hitler is mentioned in any Argo song. GBK are basically the anti Judaism version of Deicide. As has been said before do we ban Deicide next for Kill the Christian or Cannibal for glorifying serial killers / killing children.
As annoying as he can be he actually has some good takes in this video around the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXdv-ZA-AI
For the record, Ripped to Shreds are shite. I'd rather listen to (early) Crucifier if we're listening to bands helmed by idiots.
I had a chat with a friend last night at Blood Inc about how the older I get, the less time I have for gatekeeping and that,and for tradition/conservatism in metal.. but I will make the exception for RTS who are a bunch of fucking falses :laugh:
I'm keeping it simple because we've been through it a million times. Dead Congregation are savage. Cancel culture is poison, whether from the right or the left. Whatever, bring on a new DC album and let this storm in a tea cup blow past like the wet fart that it is.
Would love a new Dead Congregation album.
Yeah they'd want to get the finger out at this stage.
11 years since the last album. Didn't they only just start touring again? I missed seeing them now when ill be away by a week which is sickening.
Jesus, feels more like 4 or 5.
I've prepared myself for the fact it'll likely be more of the same, and underwhelming after such a wait..ah well.
A lot of labels being tossed around.
Rob Fudali is happy though
"We did it!🔥
After years of struggle and perseverance, Graveland has finally unleashed its sound upon the USA! 🇺🇸⚔️
At the legendary Metal Threat Fest 2025, that night the stage became an arena for the old unholy Black Metal hymns and the pagan war songs of Graveland. 🌑🔥"
Quote from: mickO))) on October 08, 2025, 09:59:04 AMCalling Arghoslent a neo nazi band is a stretch yes they have controversial lyrics but nothing referencing Hitler is mentioned in any Argo song. GBK are basically the anti Judaism version of Deicide. As has been said before do we ban Deicide next for Kill the Christian or Cannibal for glorifying serial killers / killing children.
Pure hail mary logic :laugh:
Using the dawg to back up an argument is fuckin bonkers as well. For the record, I like Arghoslent, GBK and the dawg but let's not dress them up as anything more than they are :laugh:
I'm getting more and more confused by the definitions of all kinds of "isms" these days. The good thing, though, is that within the currently acceptable political spectrum if you declare hatred of Israeli state, for sure you are either far right, far left or a bloody centrist.
Master also replied:
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:laugh: :laugh:
Nicely done.
Quote from: open face surgery on October 08, 2025, 02:17:19 PMQuote from: mickO))) on October 08, 2025, 09:59:04 AMCalling Arghoslent a neo nazi band is a stretch yes they have controversial lyrics but nothing referencing Hitler is mentioned in any Argo song. GBK are basically the anti Judaism version of Deicide. As has been said before do we ban Deicide next for Kill the Christian or Cannibal for glorifying serial killers / killing children.
Pure hail mary logic :laugh:
Using the dawg to back up an argument is fuckin bonkers as well. For the record, I like Arghoslent, GBK and the dawg but let's not dress them up as anything more than they are :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: As Dawg as my witness!!
Quote from: open face surgery on October 08, 2025, 02:17:19 PMQuote from: mickO))) on October 08, 2025, 09:59:04 AMCalling Arghoslent a neo nazi band is a stretch yes they have controversial lyrics but nothing referencing Hitler is mentioned in any Argo song. GBK are basically the anti Judaism version of Deicide. As has been said before do we ban Deicide next for Kill the Christian or Cannibal for glorifying serial killers / killing children.
Pure hail mary logic :laugh:
Using the dawg to back up an argument is fuckin bonkers as well. For the record, I like Arghoslent, GBK and the dawg but let's not dress them up as anything more than they are :laugh:
Hardly, it's a very valid point when it comes to cancel culture where does it stop? I wasn't using the Dawg to back up point I just said he makes some good points in the video on the overall topic and I just happened to see that video last night then the DC thing came up today. Like him or not he's far more involved in all of this personally than anyone on this forum is or ever will be.
The neo nazi moniker is more of a blanket term for their political leanings. No need to be overly pedantic about it. Dawg lives in a weird autistic bubble so as far as I'm concerned his opinion doesn't hold anymore merit than a man in the street.
I find it funny how people/bands feel the need to make a statement distancing themselves from the nazi bands, but none feels the need to distance from pedofiles. Guess that's too last year.
Yup. Inquisition's first show back after the charges was Steelfest. Which is also funny, in a similar kind of way.
Quote from: mickO))) on October 08, 2025, 05:35:48 PMQuote from: open face surgery on October 08, 2025, 02:17:19 PMQuote from: mickO))) on October 08, 2025, 09:59:04 AMCalling Arghoslent a neo nazi band is a stretch yes they have controversial lyrics but nothing referencing Hitler is mentioned in any Argo song. GBK are basically the anti Judaism version of Deicide. As has been said before do we ban Deicide next for Kill the Christian or Cannibal for glorifying serial killers / killing children.
Pure hail mary logic :laugh:
Using the dawg to back up an argument is fuckin bonkers as well. For the record, I like Arghoslent, GBK and the dawg but let's not dress them up as anything more than they are :laugh:
Hardly, it's a very valid point when it comes to cancel culture where does it stop? I wasn't using the Dawg to back up point I just said he makes some good points in the video on the overall topic and I just happened to see that video last night then the DC thing came up today. Like him or not he's far more involved in all of this personally than anyone on this forum is or ever will be.
Simple theoretical question: you'd be alright being associated with neo nazis (or white supremacists, if you want to be pedantic about it), would you?
If your answer is no, then you and DC have that in common. So you can see why they'd want to make that clear.
I think that the "associations" being made in these cases are so tenuous and ridiculous that anyone with a pair of functioning eyeballs and a modicum of good will can see past the Antifa claims. Does anyone reasonably believe that DC are in some way ethically compromised by playing on a festival with bands who don't share their specific world view? It's a game that's being played.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on October 08, 2025, 11:19:57 PMSimple theoretical question: you'd be alright being associated with neo nazis (or white supremacists, if you want to be pedantic about it), would you?
If your answer is no, then you and DC have that in common. So you can see why they'd want to make that clear.
No of course I wouldn't but at the same time I wouldn't feel the need to bend the knee to those who think they can dictate to people what they should and shouldn't be listening to most of whom probably don't even listen to DC in the first place. What DC made was a business decision not a moral one.
According to some numpty on the Ripped To Shreds IG, they should also leave Relapse cause supposedly ourselves and Poison Ruin are NSBM bands. Smoooooth brain.
:laugh: what's the Nazi association with Malthusian?
Fuck knows. Poison Ruin are a punk band although he said he meant Strawberry Bulbs (but actually meant Raspberry Bulbs). Doesn't have the most basic grasp on whatever it is he's trying to say.
Eejit. This is what you're up against.
Don't see any issues with DC's statement whatsoever. Nothing there that could be construed as bowing to the righteous brigade, they simply clarified their position. Can't blame them for not wanting the whole guilt by association thing, this shit tends to follow bands around and do they really need further hassle down the line?.
The grovelling didn't work DC shows on the US tour are now being cancelled.
I'd say the Raspberry Bulbs thing is the Bone Awl connection with one of them running Klaxxon.
Got any more info on that? Couldn't see anything from a quick scan of DC's FB or IG pages.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Is it just the one show that was moved or is there more?
Ya, I get the RB connection but he still doesn't have the basic details, like their name, to back up his nonsense.
Another complication for DC for the rest of the tour, a complication which may be too subtle for many of the red corner knuckle-draggers I see commenting under their FB posts, is the fact that Metal Threat, who booked Graveland, etc., are the booking agent for the tour. They're on the poster for the gig that was moved, for example. So, for DC it really is a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" and they would be fair justified in being pissed off with Metal Threat for taking such a big risk (the massive pain in the arse of the refused visas and last-minute need for bands notwithstanding).
Quote from: open face surgery on October 09, 2025, 11:04:37 AMFuck knows. Poison Ruin are a punk band although he said he meant Strawberry Bulbs (but actually meant Raspberry Bulbs). Doesn't have the most basic grasp on whatever it is he's trying to say.
Someone probably saw you mention that you like Destroyer 666 or that Invictus sells dodgy shit and took that as you personally endorsing their politics or something. People have nothing better to do.
The same clown probably overlooked the fact one of Raspberry Bulbs' live members is the guitarist from Rorschach, an actual lefty hardcore band, and they've ties to that whole scene, who would be VERY intolerant of sketchiness. And sure Yank punks love Bone Awl, so that connection is hilarious.
Funnily enough, the RTS guy is a youtuber. Hmmmm...
Id hazard a guess that the band name, while innocuous in and of itself, referring to an economist that discussed population growth critically, could potentially be extrapolated to be critical of certain populations growing. You'd have to be a thick cunt to reach that conclusion, but its my best guess.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 09, 2025, 12:01:54 PMGot any more info on that? Couldn't see anything from a quick scan of DC's FB or IG pages.
The promoter said the Nile Theatre in Arizona cancelled the show due to them performing at metal threat so they've had to find a new venue.
Actually that same promoter posts mad stuff anyway, on his public profile he's posting hitler/rape/gay/incel memelord jokes so he's not helping either, he's an absolute total retard :eyeroll:
The local promoter in Arizona or Metal Threat themselves..?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 09, 2025, 03:25:11 PMThe local promoter in Arizona or Metal Threat themselves..?
Sorry the local promoter!
The complete hypocrisy from these cunts and their guilt by association thing fucks me right off.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on October 09, 2025, 10:32:26 AM:laugh: what's the Nazi association with Malthusian?
According to the fuckwit on the Ripped to Shite IG, Malthusian happily plays sketchy festivals and shows with sketchy bands.
Kim Kelly commented on RTS's post, "Good on you. This is what integrity looks like." :laugh: Integrity my hole.
Saw that. It's bollocks. Leave him to it anyway.
Quote from: Maggot Colony on October 10, 2025, 03:38:57 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on October 09, 2025, 10:32:26 AM:laugh: what's the Nazi association with Malthusian?
According to the fuckwit on the Ripped to Shite IG, Malthusian happily plays sketchy festivals and shows with sketchy bands.
Kim Kelly commented on RTS's post, "Good on you. This is what integrity looks like." :laugh: Integrity my hole.
Gimps hyping up gimps.
In another twist, all yer man's comments are gone now.