For some reason, I'm suffering through Subhuman Race by Skid Row. I've never listened to it all the way through before since I first got it almost 30 years ago but, fuck it, today's the day. Everything about it is shit. The songs, the guitar tone, the production, the fucking drums sound abysmal, it's all fucking shite. It really is. There isn't a single redeeming feature. There's also Stanger, the benchmark of everything being a bad idea.
What else is there? What other albums are where an generally decent band turned entirely fucking terrible, where every part of it is just shite?
I thinking when Samael turned industrial might be a candidate :laugh:
Great idea and should hopefully stir a bit of hassle.
Here's one that some people surely like but sickened my hole:
Pink Floyd - The Endless River.
Every second of it was useless.
Trying to avoid things that are obvious like picking out an oul Limp Bizkit album or something.
Actually, no I take it all back. The worst album ever by anyone is the Morbid Angel yoke. I've erased the name from my mind but you know exactly which one
I know the one :laugh: :abbath:
Iron Maiden- No Prayer For The Dying
Metallica- Black Album (hated it then, still hasn't convinced me)
Yeah, No Prayer For The Dying is a good call, the start of the lifeless Harris productions. The Black album sounds fucking deadly, though, even if the songs might not be to taste. I'm thinking where every decision made in the making of it was the wrong one, something which has stood the test of time of being irredeemably shit in every aspect.
Faith No More. When Jim Martin was gone.
Quote from: Mr Barlow on December 30, 2023, 08:54:11 PMFaith No More. When Jim Martin was gone.
Yep, 100% in agreement there.
Quote from: Mr Barlow on December 30, 2023, 08:54:11 PMFaith No More. When Jim Martin was gone.
Ooooooohhhhh
No.
Trey Spruance lads
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 30, 2023, 08:34:01 PMYeah, No Prayer For The Dying is a good call, the start of the lifeless Harris productions. The Black album sounds fucking deadly, though, even if the songs might not be to taste. I'm thinking where every decision made in the making of it was the wrong one, something which has stood the test of time of being irredeemably shit in every aspect.
Understood the general idea, I think the production on the 'Black Album' is great I just have to take any chance I can to hate on it :D
I kind of agree with FNM. I like some of the later stuff but nothing comes close The Real Thing or Angel Dust.
For me it would be Roots
I couldn't for the life of me see why people were losing their minds over it. The songs, the playing, the production. All shite. With hindsight it was possibly showing that the lineup had run out of ideas and needed to split.
It's weird that people always clamour for the classic lineup reunions and they all seem to forget albums like Roots, Cryptic Writings and World Painted Blood were all the product of what the classic lineups were also responsible for.
Couldn't disagree more with the FNM one. Angel Dust is absolutely perfect but they'd never have made the same record again even with Martin. I think King For day would be a far less interesting record with JM.
Arise is the obvious one for me. A watered down version of what had come before that's the sound of a band bored of what they were doing, but doing it anyway. Shit record. The Black album is garbage as well.
Heartwork. I know everyone loves it, but it's when they stopped being interesting or ground breaking to me.
I guess any Metallica album from 2000 onwards is an obvious answer for completely irredeemable. All the 90s stuff had something good.
Machine Head's nu-metal album, AC/DC's Fly on the Wall, there's a really awful Celtic Frost one whose name escapes me...
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 30, 2023, 09:39:15 PMI kind of agree with FNM. I like some of the later stuff but nothing comes close The Real Thing or Angel Dust.
I'd add Introduce Yourself to the equation.
Cold Lake.
Arise is an objectively wrong shout, it's their peak in every respect.
Assuming we're talking about single instances of just getting everything wrong (as opposed to the point from which they generally went downhill), then Volume 8 is an obvious one. Sounds like shit and the songs are crap to boot.
Reroute to Remain.
Fuck Anders Friden.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 30, 2023, 09:39:15 PMI kind of agree with FNM. I like some of the later stuff but nothing comes close The Real Thing or Angel Dust.
Not even KFAD with Trey Spruance?
Aaaaaiìeeeee
No.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on December 31, 2023, 12:51:51 AMReroute to Remain.
Fuck Anders Friden.
Is that the nu metal yoke with the spiral on the cover? If it is, I bought the cunt
Slayer - Seasons in the abyss, awful album just like Sepultura Arise
Deicide - once upon the cross, lame vocal patterns, shit production and lacks the aggression of the first 2 albums.
Napalm Death - Fear, Emptiness, Despair up to, but not including Enemy of the music business.
Entombed - Wolverine Blues, weak sause
Seasons, Once and WB are all fantastic, among their relative best albums. I'd say that's harsh on FED, though with the exception of Smear Campaign, they've been poor after it alright.
King For A Day isn't quite shit, but it's certainly the worst of the four classic Patton albums. Flat production and the songs generally aren't up to scratch. Overlong, too.
Ah here!,i think lads are being ridiculously harsh with some of these calls!
King For A Day is on the same level as The Real Thing and Angel Dust.
Arise is excellent, I don't know how it could be considered otherwise.
Slayer went to shit after Divine Intervention.
Once Upon The Cross.... Be still my beating heart, that's every bit as good as the first 2.
That In Flames album with the spiral thing was the last one I bought and first one I sold on. Those whingey vocals. Cunt.
Biohazard went to shit after State Of The World address. They have all said that the non stop touring and ever growing egos sent them into a rinse and repeat spiral.
I still find it hard to believe Warner Bros were completely hands off during the State sessions.
Hatebreed went to absolute shit after Supremacy. Most will think they were shit all along!
Mata Leao was OK. Definitely not a patch on State of the World Address but not complete crap either.
Low hanging fruit but Morbid Angel Illud David's Anus surely deserves a mention.
It's arguable that FFTTF was their last good album with Heretic being a weak and forgettable follow up with cardboard production, but Illud is in a league of its own when it comes to being unlistenable horseshit.
Kingdoms Distained is hookless muck and confirms that the MA tank is completely dry.
The End Complete. After the perfection of the first two albums, particularly Cause of Death with Murphy's melodic playing over Peres' crudeness, the future was so bright for Obituary but, instead, they got West back and dug a dull, lifeless rut for themselves.
Mata Leao was ok but it took so much to convince myself at the time that I liked it. In retrospect it was time wasted.
The End Complete is killer!
Some very obvious picks mentioned already. But fuck me, most of the choices mentioned deserve to be in the 'Controversial Metal Opinions' thread
The More Things Change by Machine Head? Burn My Eyes was great in its day, though of little interest to me now. I thought the follow up was fairly shite. Funnily enough, I liked The Burning Red when it came out but I'm not sure how well it holds up now and it's a long time since I've heard it. I think the title track was very good, it had a brooding atmosphere to it, but the rest with the hippity hoppity stuff... pure Flynnery.
Decline of quality in production and songwriting is the point here!
Speaking of FNM Jim Martin had this rich, clear guitar tone that is unequalled.
Danzig after '4' (though I am still curious to hear this Elvis covers album which passed me by)
Quote from: Carnage on December 31, 2023, 12:08:11 AMArise is an objectively wrong shout, it's their peak in every respect.
I'll stand my ground on this : Beneath The Remains is their peak:it's brimming with ideas and energy, totally explosive record, and more importantly it's consistent in the quality of songs. It was downhill from there in stages, Arise sounds like a watered down version of BTR to me, no where near as memorable or engaging. I was disappointed with it when it came out, and I've grown to straight up loathe it over the years once.
HOWEVER, maybe you;re right in so far as it's not the point where everything went to shit for them. That'll actually be Chaos AD, an album I hate so much i'd blocked it out of my memory last night when I posted about Arise :laugh:
100% on Danzig after "4". But in fairness, what an album for that line up to go out on.
which reminds me...Prong after "Beg To Differ" which in itself has some highlights, but isn't exactly a classic. The whole groove metal thing they went down after that is fucking continually atrocious. Kinda mad they've pretty much buried "Primitive Origins" and "Force Fed"
I see what you're saying, but for me Arise just refined the ideas on BTR and was a more streamlined end result. Chaos AD was their black album, really. I like most of it but find it hard to listen to these days.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 31, 2023, 11:16:58 AMThe More Things Change by Machine Head? Burn My Eyes was great in its day, though of little interest to me now. I thought the follow up was fairly shite. Funnily enough, I liked The Burning Red when it came out but I'm not sure how well it holds up now and it's a long time since I've heard it. I think the title track was very good, it had a brooding atmosphere to it, but the rest with the hippity hoppity stuff... pure Flynnery.
The Burning Red doesn't hold up well, a couple of decent songs alright but regardless - it's like Powerslave compared to Supercharger.
I'd disagree with The More Things Change, I reckon as an album it's better than Burn My Eyes (though that had a few better individual tracks than anything on TMTC), it just flows better, more consistent. Great production from Richardson as usual, crystal clear. It's my go-to Machine Head album these days.
Don't think I have even listened to anything In Flames did after Reroute to Remain. Utter bollocks.
In Flames were always shite TBF.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 31, 2023, 11:16:58 AMThe More Things Change by Machine Head? Burn My Eyes was great in its day, though of little interest to me now. I thought the follow up was fairly shite. Funnily enough, I liked The Burning Red when it came out but I'm not sure how well it holds up now and it's a long time since I've heard it. I think the title track was very good, it had a brooding atmosphere to it, but the rest with the hippity hoppity stuff... pure Flynnery.
This is something I'd agree with. The More Things Change sits alongside Roots for when it seemed cooler to focus on feedback and being out of tune over riffs and actual songs. It was a horrible time for mainstream metal where ability and melody were seen as bad things.
Paradise Lost One Second..not a bad album..but one which derailed everything. Draconian Times should have been the springboard to greater things...
White Zombie Astro Creep 2000..should have been the springboard once again..
Ministry Filth Pig...a let down after psalm 69 and pretty much everything since else has been shite..
While they have had their moments Queens Of The Stone Age debut album was their masterpiece, everything since has been patchy as fuck, although it didn't stop them getting huge so what do I know..
Always thought the first three Arch Enemy albums were great, then Johan Liiva left and they really went to shit.
If the emphasis is on all, then it's not so easy. Like KFAD has fairly bad production but some absolutely amazing FNM tunes. AotY has great production but arguably not as many great tunes. But on neither did "all" turn to shit. The More Things Change on the other hand... :-X
This thread could be great if maybe half of the people posted their controversial opinions in the controversial thread instead.
You don't like the Black album? That's fair enough, but it is fucking massive and it has no place on this thread.
Seasons in the Abyss and The End Complete? Jog on lads!
Quote from: The Heretic on December 31, 2023, 12:18:52 PMParadise Lost One Second..not a bad album..but one which derailed everything. Draconian Times should have been the springboard to greater things...
White Zombie Astro Creep 2000..should have been the springboard once again..
Ministry Filth Pig...a let down after psalm 69 and pretty much everything since else has been shite..
While they have had their moments Queens Of The Stone Age debut album was their masterpiece, everything since has been patchy as fuck, although it didn't stop them getting huge so what do I know..
First three QOTSA are great for me, but the debut is definitely head and shoulders above the other two.
I'd agree with Filth Pig, always hated that and Dark Side - though I did like the Lay Lady Lay cover. As for subsequent releases, Houses Of The Molé is up there with Psalm 69 for me. Frontloaded maybe, but a cracker of an album. Most of the others are shite alright though.
Black album is the most obvious inclusion to this thread. It is the exact turning point.
Quote from: Carnage on December 31, 2023, 01:26:35 PMQuote from: The Heretic on December 31, 2023, 12:18:52 PMParadise Lost One Second..not a bad album..but one which derailed everything. Draconian Times should have been the springboard to greater things...
White Zombie Astro Creep 2000..should have been the springboard once again..
Ministry Filth Pig...a let down after psalm 69 and pretty much everything since else has been shite..
While they have had their moments Queens Of The Stone Age debut album was their masterpiece, everything since has been patchy as fuck, although it didn't stop them getting huge so what do I know..
First three QOTSA are great for me, but the debut is definitely head and shoulders above the other two.
I'd agree with Filth Pig, always hated that and Dark Side - though I did like the Lay Lady Lay cover. As for subsequent releases, Houses Of The Molé is up there with Psalm 69 for me. Frontloaded maybe, but a cracker of an album. Most of the others are shite alright though.
Disagree about Filth Pig. I love that album. Also like most of Dark Side and Animositisomina is also decent.
After that though, no thanks to any of it and I didn't even listen to the last one.
Not about turning points though...? Yes Black album was the turning point towards complete shit, but in itself it still has lots of great moments. It's not "all" shit, which is how I understood the OP.
Actually fell asleep writing a post about Ministry in this thread last night :laugh: but everything up to and including Animositisomina is unreal, the second Paul Barker left they went to complete shit bar a couple of songs off Rio Grande Blood.
Also FNM's best three albums are Angel Dust, King For A Day, and Album Of The Year. They are all lethal though, not a bad album in the band, but those three are peak for me.
Ah lad. If AOTY was a puppy the humane thing to do would be put it in a bag and fuck it in the river.
Ah no, Album of the Year is great. Sol Invictus is the stinker for me. By far their worst effort.
Just thinking about it when The More Things Change got mentioned, I think it's fair to say that 1996/1997 is where it all went to shit in general. It took another 5 or 6 years for things to come back around.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2023, 02:24:02 PMAh no, Album of the Year is great. Sol Invictus is the stinker for me. By far their worst effort.
This. Sol Invictus sounds like most of Patton's other projects, not very good.
I'd have to agree with the Black album not having a place in this thread. They are well crafted songs and nothing was left to chance on the production side. Not liking the direction they took is different argument.
I'd put Sol Invictus in a pointless comeback thread. Same with the last Soundgarden album. That's another thread altogether though.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2023, 02:24:02 PMAh no, Album of the Year is great. Sol Invictus is the stinker for me. By far their worst effort.
I'd agree, I was delighted with Sol Invictus when it came out but it hasn't held up well - there are some great songs on there (Matador in particular) but it also has some of their absolute worst. Actually Black Friday might be the single worst FNM song. AOTY has some filler but I think the problem is a lot of the songs feel underdeveloped, but from reading the book a while back it really does seem like that was recorded as a last gasp at the time, and their heads and hearts weren't in it.
Actually here's one for the Patton fans: Tomahawk's "Anonymous" was the album where has magic touch vanished. None of his more rock related stuff since has been much use, with the notable exception of Dead Cross.
That Soundgarden comeback was an absolute crock of shit besides "Bones of Birds"
Quote from: Pentagrimes on December 31, 2023, 11:34:59 AMHOWEVER, maybe you;re right in so far as it's not the point where everything went to shit for them. That'll actually be Chaos AD, an album I hate so much i'd blocked it out of my memory last night when I posted about Arise :laugh:
Just in for my yearly scolding off everyone here, Chaos AD is my favourite Seps album, closely followed by Arise.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on December 31, 2023, 04:25:45 PMActually here's one for the Patton fans: Tomahawk's "Anonymous" was the album where has magic touch vanished. None of his more rock related stuff since has been much use, with the notable exception of Dead Cross.
Oddfellows is class but in general, with his rock related stuff yeah, I think I agree with this. I do love a huge amount of what he gets up to really though but don't have a lot of patience for the soundtracks and scores he has done.
Oh on thread topic, Enslaved - "Vertebrae" is the start of them falling off altogether, it's a fine album on its own but nowhere near as good as anything that comes before it and everything after is worth maybe one listen then abandoned to the iceberg of music forever.
I am guilty of including the Black Album here so apologies there :D , but it was a turning point as someone said above, not a good one mind you. I can fully understand it's popularity though.
Back on track:
Forbidden: Anything after the first two albums, not good writing /production
Exodus: Force of Habit (not good)
Thornography by COF springs to mind. Everything on that album is dreadful: Dani's voice is fucked, the keyboards are basically not there and the riffs are simplistic thrashy shite. It has no redeeming features.
The Black Album is definitely getting a fair knocking here.
But as regards the OP's original post and the thread title, the Metallica album where they totally and utterly 'Shit The Fucking Bed' has to be St. Anger!
Totally agree
Great thread. COC – America's Volume Dealer is some crock in comparison to what preceded.
Quote from: leatherface on December 31, 2023, 05:57:06 PMExodus: Force of Habit (not good)
Ditch the two cover versions, change the artwork to anything else, and that goes down as a decent Exodus album.
Quote from: jobrok1 on December 31, 2023, 08:02:35 PMThe Black Album is definitely getting a fair knocking here.
But as regards the OP's original post and the thread title, the Metallica album where they totally and utterly 'Shit The Fucking Bed' has to be St. Anger!
You got in ahead of me. My brother got this for me back in the day for Xmas. To this day I have never got to the end of this album. Absolute tripe imo. 4 tracks in eject.
Watched some kind of monster around then. Car crash stuff. Whole album should have been binned.
OK, I have two indefensible albums:
St Anger.
That Morbid Angel thing.
Nobody will argue with those two at least
Quote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2023, 10:56:12 PMOK, I have two indefensible albums:
St Anger.
That Morbid Angel thing.
Nobody will argue with those two at least
I'd include Megadeths Super Collider. Albums like Cryptic Writings and other later ones may not be to everyone's tastes but there's some quality songs on all of them. Super Collider is very much an oddity in terms of it's utter blandness. It's the only Megadeth album that I can't recall a single note of.
Quote from: Born of Fire on December 31, 2023, 11:07:26 PMQuote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2023, 10:56:12 PMOK, I have two indefensible albums:
St Anger.
That Morbid Angel thing.
Nobody will argue with those two at least
I'd include Megadeths Super Collider. Albums like Cryptic Writings and other later ones may not be to everyone's tastes but there's some quality songs on all of them. Super Collider is very much an oddity in terms of it's utter blandness. It's the only Megadeth album that I can't recall a single note of.
Never even been a fan but I remember them ripping off Children of the Grave on that one and I laughed hard at how shit it was
Ditch the two cover versions, change the artwork to anything else, and that goes down as a decent Exodus album.
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Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on December 31, 2023, 10:07:09 PMQuote from: leatherface on December 31, 2023, 05:57:06 PMTitle track is great but that's about it. Referring to 'Force Of Habit'.
Quote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2023, 10:56:12 PMOK, I have two indefensible albums:
St Anger.
That Morbid Angel thing.
Nobody will argue with those two at least
Lulu lad, Lulu. Everybody forgets about fucking Lulu.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on January 01, 2024, 12:52:52 AMQuote from: astfgyl on December 31, 2023, 10:56:12 PMOK, I have two indefensible albums:
St Anger.
That Morbid Angel thing.
Nobody will argue with those two at least
Lulu lad, Lulu. Everybody forgets about fucking Lulu.
Good lord actually we have a winner
Christ on a bike!!!
Lulu...
The turd so shite it's been blocked from memory altogether.
You can close the thread now.
Quote from: Carnage on December 31, 2023, 11:52:38 AMIn Flames were always shite TBF.
I'd personally strongly disagree in consideration of Lunar Strain and The Jester Race.
As for the focus of this thread, I had tuned out well before Reroute to Remain as things had gone down hill. I've never even heard that album to be honest.
Nevertheless it was quiet a shock to see what they became by the time I saw them at Fury Fest 2005 though :-X Geting a fan up to sing with them just summed up what a farce they had become at that stage :'(
Lulu wasn't where 'tallica turned shit, it was a (possibly inevitable) consequence of pre-existing shitness and the seemingly endless credit they still live off which was generated by the first four... ok, five albums. I don't think it's any worse than Shit Magnet or the other turds they've laid in the last 20+ years. It's fucken terrible, absolutely, but so is everything else they're doing. Even when they play old good songs, they butcher them. They're fucking awful in everything they do. Lulu is only a small part in a much larger machine of utter shitness.
Metallica's turning to shit moment is St Anger. The preceding Loads, Black, Garage all have material of worth to be found on them. St Anger is the sound of bored millionaires desperately trying to sound relevant, everything after is pretty painful.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that's a load of bollox. 72 Seasons is a quality metal record. I don't think they care about being relevant, they hardly need the fucking money, I think they just do what they want. and what they do now is where they are at. I defend St. Anger (apart from the drum sound), Death Magnetic and Hardwired also as a die hard fan but I will of course concede that Lulu isn't great, and pretty dreadful really, but what you seem to be forgetting or choosing to ignore;- is that it's not a Metallica album. It's a fucking Lou Reed (with Metallica as his band) album, as both Lou and the band have said. So if you are not a Lou Reed fan you are not gonna be into it really are you?
So as such it's entirely illogical to be holding it up and comparing it to fuckin Master Of Puppets or whatever is it not? It would be better judged as part of Mr. Reed's discography. Metallica are my favorite band. I don't know any of Lou Reed's music other than vaguely liking the songs Walk On The Wild Side and Perfect Day (remember it from Trainspotting). and The Velvet Underground I just don't get whatsoever (I think you need to be on heroin). But I imagine if you are a big Lou Reed fan as well as a casual Metal/Metallica fan; I don't see why the hell you wouldn't enjoy it?
I tried a fair few times to get into it, but I just don't really like it, Lou's vocal style is really weird as are his lyrics and he just grates on me. I will say though, I do really like one track, and it would be the only song from it I would go back to (though I skip about 3 minutes into it to where it gets going) the riffing in "Dragon" is clearly the highlight of the whole record for a metal fan. I wish Metallica had have kept and used that in one of their own songs. Also I think it shows they really don't give a fuck if you like the album or them or not, because I highly doubt they thought it was going to go down well with most metalheads. In fact I'm sure they knew most people would likely hate it, and you have to kind of admire that I think.
Re-Load is the point where things went awry for Metallica.
First release where there was nothing new in the songwriting or production.
Regardless of whether it's liked or not that's when alarm bells should have being ringing.
Shit or not St Anger was then trying miserably to reinvent themselves and put fire back into the machine.
When Emperor released Prometheus I felt like the wheels were off and on fire in a ditch.
Just because they had all those ideas didn't mean we had to hear them all.
Prometheus is lethal Ah jaysus
The wheels never came off with Emperor,I get people only like their early stuff,but everything theyve done has been of a high standard.
Metallica have been fucked since they went down the "'tallica family" route...whatever the fuck that is meant to be..also don't change your band logo then back again..
QuoteI don't think they care about being relevant
Wrong. Have you ever seen Some kind of monster? Such a deeply insecure collection of individuals, Newsted was the only one with integrity. A band that forgot what brought them together in the first place. Or how to write a tune for that matter, even the way they construct songs is mind boggling considering their back catalogue.
Quote from: Paul keohane on January 01, 2024, 10:31:44 AMThe wheels never came off with Emperor,I get people only like their early stuff,but everything theyve done has been of a high standard.
Quote from: ochoill on January 01, 2024, 10:17:02 AMPrometheus is lethal Ah jaysus
Quote from: Paul keohane on January 01, 2024, 10:31:44 AMThe wheels never came off with Emperor,I get people only like their early stuff,but everything theyve done has been of a high standard.
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If it was released after Mightside it would have been ripped apart.
It didn't hit like the rest and there was no bite to it.
Prometheus, Arise, King for a Day are all my favourites of those bands
I've always rated Prometheus,the run from Anthemms through to Prometheus is brilliant imo.
The obvious one for me is from right here in Ireland.
Primordial were absolutely lethal and genre defining up to and including To The Nameless Dead.
From Redemption onwards its all pain. I cannot make it through any album since. Shame.
I think Metallicas Black Album is fucking shite. Woeful. Big production but heaps of terrible forgettable songs with no riffs. There's 3/4 of the main songs that are half ok in a sort of metal pub, full of pints, way. But the filler on that album is criminal.
Quote from: Trev on January 01, 2024, 04:58:36 PMPrometheus, Arise, King for a Day are all my favourites of those bands
Same mostly. Angel Dust is in a constant scrap with kfad for supremacy. Prometheus is my favourite Emperor album by some distance
Death is Not Dead.
I know The Crown had been treading water since they reformed, but fucking hell, that album was just a lifeless sack of shit. Still amazed they followed it with Cobra Speed Venom.
Quote from: Grim Reality on January 01, 2024, 06:44:47 PMThe obvious one for me is from right here in Ireland.
Primordial were absolutely lethal and genre defining up to and including To The Nameless Dead.
From Redemption onwards its all pain. I cannot make it through any album since. Shame.
I think Metallicas Black Album is fucking shite. Woeful. Big production but heaps of terrible forgettable songs with no riffs. There's 3/4 of the main songs that are half ok in a sort of metal pub, full of pints, way. But the filler on that album is criminal.
The Black album is full of riffs!
Cynic - Kindly Bent to Free Us.
Masvidal went full on twee alien-lover with this, and it reinforces the idea to me that Traced in Air was a fluke (or that Tymon from Exivous had a whole lot more input into it than is let on).
Set The World On Fire was the end of Annihilator. Great title track but the rest of it is absolute guff. The two preceeding albums are stone cold classics though.
Yeah, spot on with Annihilator.
I posted much if this in the 'controversial opinions' thread, so sorry for double posting. But.....
Lulu was not a Lou Reed album with Metallica as his backing band.
It is a collaboration album between both and was marketed as such from the start of its tragic inception.
Reed wrote all the lyrics, but the band were 100% involved in the music with Reed.
And if anyone thinks for one second that it was Lou Reed's idea to seek out Metallica for the collaboration, then they are truly deluded.
I have no doubt in my mind that the whole debacle was a pathetic brain fart from either Ulrich or Hetfield.
Quote from: leatherface on December 30, 2023, 08:30:52 PMIron Maiden- No Prayer For The Dying
Metallica- Black Album (hated it then, still hasn't convinced me)
Ah, I'd say St Anger over the Black Album man. There is nothing good about it. At least you could agree the sound and production on Black are outstanding if you don't like the songs.
Quote from: jobrok1 on January 02, 2024, 09:44:46 AMI posted much if this in the 'controversial opinions' thread, so sorry for double posting. But.....
Lulu was not a Lou Reed album with Metallica as his backing band.
It is a collaboration album between both and was marketed as such from the start of its tragic inception.
Reed wrote all the lyrics, but the band were 100% involved in the music with Reed.
And if anyone thinks for one second that it was Lou Reed's idea to seek out Metallica for the collaboration, then they are truly deluded.
I have no doubt in my mind that the whole debacle was a pathetic brain fart from either Ulrich or Hetfield.
they made Reed sound shit ha ha
Load and Reload may have had some okay songs, but anyone defending Metallica's output after that is deluded. At least Slayer managed to release some decent albums after their Diabolus abortion, Metallica can't even manage to write a half-decent tune.
Speaking of bands that managed to recapture some of their magic after going to shit, I think The Stench of Redemption was a great release from Deicide after some very poor albums.
Quote from: Necro Red on January 02, 2024, 10:16:51 AMthey made Reed sound shit ha ha
He needed no help in that regard, he was always shit. But that aural abortion is one of the worst things ever committed to tape.
I've never actually listened to Lulu, kinda curious to hear just how bad it is, but if it is a shite as its reputation I don't want to waste two hours on it
You'll be doing well to make it past the first song, but if you make it to track two, then this will surely make you want to pick up a table close to you and throw it at your stereo...
It's so shite it's worth listening to just so you can re-calibrate in your mind just how shite shite can actually be.
They also appeared on Jools Holland, personally it's so shit I can't even watch it again.
Quote from: jobrok1 on January 02, 2024, 11:18:21 AMYou'll be doing well to make it past the first song, but if you make it to track two, then this will surely make you want to pick up a table close to you and throw it at your stereo...
Jaysus its cat.
I have an "I Am The Table" sticker I got in Metal Hammer at the time stuck to my computer desk, gives me a little giggle every time I see it.
S+M, which I don't think has been mentioned yet, is also complete and utter scutter.
S&M is grand for some tracks, others don't work so well. S&M2, however, is shite from start to finish.
I liked S&M at the time, but then again I'd want to have to be listening to Metallica lol.
Haven't thrown it on in at least a decade other than the two originals on it. Never heard a note of the second one, took a look at the track list and thought there'd be no point other than to confirm its pointlessness.
They're cunts for rehashing live versions of the same songs.
Back on topic!
I suppose someone has to mention Paradise Lost's Host album. Another one I can't listen to at all.
I know some actually like it, but as far as I'm concerned it's another 'Totally Shit The Bed' album.
Nothing redeeming about it whatsoever!
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 31, 2023, 01:32:49 PMNot about turning points though...? Yes Black album was the turning point towards complete shit, but in itself it still has lots of great moments. It's not "all" shit, which is how I understood the OP.
Yes, this would be my interpretation as well. I completely get why metallers of a certain vintage wouldn't like Black at all, but that was first exposure to them at the age of 11 and I thought it was great. Not so much now of course, but there's some mad shite being spouted here... there's some absolute bangers on that album. But absolutely yeah, it was a turning point and pretty much everything that came after was poor to outright shite. Chaos AD would be another good example, it marked a complete change to that chuggy, groove metal sound so typical of roadrunner bands at that time and paved the way for Roots which, although I liked at the time, is shite in retrospect.
How in God's name could Prometheus be a turning point? They released nothing since?!
Quote from: Massey Ferguson on January 02, 2024, 10:25:06 AMLoad and Reload may have had some okay songs, but anyone defending Metallica's output after that is deluded. At least Slayer managed to release some decent albums after their Diabolus abortion, Metallica can't even manage to write a half-decent tune.
Speaking of bands that managed to recapture some of their magic after going to shit, I think The Stench of Redemption was a great release from Deicide after some very poor albums.
I think Diabolous in Musica isn't bad at all for the first 7 or 8 tracks. If they'd stopped it there it'd be grand. Thought God Hates Us All was much worse, and World Painted Blood was worse as well
Theres good songs on all Slayers albums over the last 25 years imo.
St Anger better than the Black album!?.
:o
Ah lads, Prometheus is a whopper. Yiz could argue "is it really Emperor?", but the quality is there.
Quote from: Carnage on January 02, 2024, 10:29:35 AMQuote from: Necro Red on January 02, 2024, 10:16:51 AMthey made Reed sound shit ha ha
He needed no help in that regard, he was always shit. But that aural abortion is one of the worst things ever committed to tape.
No truer words were ever spoken. I randomly found a live album of his (Animal Serenade) in a book shop for a quid and figured "why not"... filing down the edges of the euro and inserting it up me hole would be a more palatable use for it than buying that album again.
It's doubling baffling how bad Reed was when you realise he thought himself as a genius. And he was a cunt of a person too.
Quote from: astfgyl on January 02, 2024, 05:34:05 PMQuote from: Massey Ferguson on January 02, 2024, 10:25:06 AMLoad and Reload may have had some okay songs, but anyone defending Metallica's output after that is deluded. At least Slayer managed to release some decent albums after their Diabolus abortion, Metallica can't even manage to write a half-decent tune.
Speaking of bands that managed to recapture some of their magic after going to shit, I think The Stench of Redemption was a great release from Deicide after some very poor albums.
I think Diabolous in Musica isn't bad at all for the first 7 or 8 tracks. If they'd stopped it there it'd be grand. Thought God Hates Us All was much worse, and World Painted Blood was worse as well
God Hates Us All is poor alright, but Christ Illusion is decent and World Painted Blood is a very good album. Once Slayer gave up adding nu-metal/groove metal elements and went back to basics they managed to release some good music unlike Metallica who are just lost in the wilderness.
Quote from: Ducky on January 03, 2024, 06:03:48 AMQuote from: Carnage on January 02, 2024, 10:29:35 AMQuote from: Necro Red on January 02, 2024, 10:16:51 AMthey made Reed sound shit ha ha
He needed no help in that regard, he was always shit. But that aural abortion is one of the worst things ever committed to tape.
No truer words were ever spoken. I randomly found a live album of his (Animal Serenade) in a book shop for a quid and figured "why not"... filing down the edges of the euro and inserting it up me hole would be a more palatable use for it than buying that album again.
It's doubling baffling how bad Reed was when you realise he thought himself as a genius. And he was a cunt of a person too.
His only redeeming moment for me was during a Dave Fanning interview in the late '90s/early '00s - I forget the specifics but Fanning was doing his usual thing of delivering a monologue instead of letting his subject speak, and was telling Reed what one of his songs/albums was about. Reed interrupted him and completely shot him down, tore what he'd been saying apart and completely showed him up. It was glorious.
Ah lads ffs Reed was a genius. Some of his Velvet Underground stuff was great, his solo stuff too especially New York. Still one of my favourite albums
Quote from: OpenSores on January 02, 2024, 11:27:53 AMThey also appeared on Jools Holland, personally it's so shit I can't even watch it again.
I watched that and never bothered listening to the whole album, only a few tracks.....just awful
Quote from: OpenSores on January 02, 2024, 11:27:53 AMThey also appeared on Jools Holland, personally it's so shit I can't even watch it again.
Looked it up there out of morbid curiosity and once again the YouTube comment section has left me wondering if I'm somehow listening to something completely different than the cunts praising it :-[
Quote from: Pentagrimes on December 30, 2023, 11:30:02 PMArise is the obvious one for me. A watered down version of what had come before that's the sound of a band bored of what they were doing, but doing it anyway. Shit record.
I keep seeing this opinion posted and it makes no sense. Arise is basically BTR part 2. If you liked one you'll like the other surely?
I grew up with Arise so I'd rate it above BTR.
Here are my thoughts...
Metallica: It all went south when Newsted left. Their live show lost the intensity and hasn't been quite the same since. But then St. Anger...... there are no words. Easily a 0/10 album, one of the worst albums ever recorded by ANYONE, and in fact it might be the all time worst because you can't listen to it even as background music. CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG CLANG - you have to turn the record off. Genuinely unlistenable and was the moment Metallica quit metal's top table and left the way clear for Maiden. The band have taken 20 years to recover and make a relatively decent album (72 Seasons is OK, and 'Inamorata' is their best song in 25 years) but no other band shat the bed like they did in 2003. People going on about Lulu, that album isn't great but is nowhere near St. Anger levels of direness, also it was Metallica with Lou Reed, the guy who once made a double album of feedback, so did anyone really expect it to not be weird?
Megadeth: You could rightly cite Risk, but I'm going for Endgame. Terrible record, dull forced songs, no interesting hooks and full of crappy conspiracy theory lyrics. Easily Megadeth's low point.
Black Sabbath: Cross Purposes Live. Even if you like the Tony Martin era, this is a low point. He had a cold admittedly but he can't get within a mile of the Ozzy songs and he also had no stage presence at all. Dismal live album.
Sepultura: Roots, easily. Chaos AD is a good album, not thrash sure but a good record with a real sense of fight to it. Then Max lost his mind and decided to copy Korn. Straight up nu metal record, the band went from leaders to followers overnight with this album and the live record from the tour is utterly dire as well, 90% of it seems to be Roots songs and all the old songs chopped up into shitty medleys.
The Offspring: Songwriting completely went after Americana and never came back. A shame as their 90s work is some of the best music of the decade, but Conspiracy of One was very mediocre and from what I've heard of subsequent albums none of them are in the same league.
Deep Purple: Slaves and Masters. Joe Lynn Turner in Deep Purple was a crime against rock n roll and this album is everything In Rock is not. The live shows were the real low point though, check out some of the footage on Youtube. Turner is atrocious, trying to imitate Gillan and getting nowhere near, Blackmore seems to be almost amused by it all and Glover and Lord are hiding in the shadows, probably in embarassment.
Rush: The keyboards came in, and Geddy Lee's mind went out of the door. The funny thing is that Moving Pictures perfectly balanced Rush's sound with new technology in an interesting and organic way, but oh boy did they lose it after that. Albums like Power Windows sound hilariously dated, the music sounds like advertising jingles and the lyrics take a dip in quality too.
Genesis: After Hackett left in 1977 the three remaining members should have just changed the band name. You can't seriously say that In Too Deep bears any resemblance to the band that wrote Dancing With The Moonlit Knight.
Queen: When they decided to mount a comeback but replace Freddie Mercury with an American Idol contestant. Absolute desecration.
Pink Floyd: The Final Cut. Actually it all went to shit on The Wall when Waters took control of the band but The Wall has its good points... TFC is really dismal and is basically a Waters solo album. No Wright on it either which underlines this point. The core of the band was always Gilmour and Wright. At least when Waters left things got better.
Judas Priest: Turbo. Why? Just why? They were selling out arenas and were superstars in the US with their own sound, there was no need to try and copy Def Leppard. And Ram It Down was even worse, marred by obnoxious drum machines and some godawful songwriting with cringe inducing lyrics. But Painkiller was a resurrection.
Give me Ram it down any day over Turbo
I think at least half of Turbo is banging. Some duds yeah but when it works it really works. Out In The Cold in particular is up there with their best stuff.
Quote from: Cosmic_Equilibrium on January 04, 2024, 12:08:45 AMMegadeth: You could rightly cite Risk, but I'm going for Endgame. Terrible record, dull forced songs, no interesting hooks and full of crappy conspiracy theory lyrics. Easily Megadeth's low point.
Had Endgame on in the car a couple of weeks ago for the first time in probably 10 years. It's a very solid record and definitely the best thing they've put out since the 90s.
Quote from: DaveG on January 04, 2024, 10:41:11 AMQuote from: Cosmic_Equilibrium on January 04, 2024, 12:08:45 AMMegadeth: You could rightly cite Risk, but I'm going for Endgame. Terrible record, dull forced songs, no interesting hooks and full of crappy conspiracy theory lyrics. Easily Megadeth's low point.
Had Endgame on in the car a couple of weeks ago for the first time in probably 10 years. It's a very solid record and definitely the best thing they've put out since the 90s.
Megadeth haven't had a good album for 30 years. Any of the comeback albums like Endgame or United Abominations have been unadulterated shite. In similar fashion to Mike Muir and Rob Zombie, Mustaine started to believe the band was just him and him alone. Any time that happens, they surround themselves with yes men and the quality goes out the window.
This Day We Fight! and Head Crusher are the only tracks I liked on that one. Most of their post Rust In Peace albums only have two or three decent tracks for me TBH.
Megadeth turned to shit on 12th of August, 1991, the day 'tallica released the Black album. Mustaine chased their commercial sellout holes all the way to the horizon, never to outdo them, no matter how hard he tried... and he tried very fucking hard, especially when Billy Ray Cyrus prevented Countdown from becoming #1. The signs of rot setting in are there on Countdown, though. Once he got into the spoken section shite (Boy, your soul better belong... Read my lips... and the rate is accelerating, etc) it was already too late. Then there's Sweating Bullets. Holy fucking jaysus. He was still capable of a decent riff or two but, overall, Dave has been pedalling shite, of varying radio-friendly intent, since that fucking day 'tallica was born. Youthanasia is risible plodding shite, lads, a desperate attempt to make his band radio friendly. If it's the soundtrack to your teenage years, that's grand and all, but it's a fucking terrible album. You're better off pretending whatever came after doesn't exist.
The demise of mainstream metal in general can be traced back to the day that Max Cavalera lost his hairbrush. Whether the brush itself was magic or it was just a coincidence hasn't been confirmed.
When Suicidal split up in the mid 90s and didn't do everything they could to get Rocky George back in when they reformed. Absolutely nothing they've done since has come close to matching his era, despite having some brilliant players come and go
At least they're still a great live act though and pretty much stick to only playing stuff from their first 15 or so years
As far as Judas Priest goes 'Turbo' is great and unfairly maligned, the turd in their catalogue is 'Nostradamus' easily.
No, that'd be their most ambitious album IMO. Redeemer Of Souls is, well, irredeemable.
Quote from: Born of Fire on January 03, 2024, 04:30:15 PMQuote from: OpenSores on January 02, 2024, 11:27:53 AMThey also appeared on Jools Holland, personally it's so shit I can't even watch it again.
Looked it up there out of morbid curiosity and once again the YouTube comment section has left me wondering if I'm somehow listening to something completely different than the cunts praising it :-[
Yip totally, hilarious actually.
Quote from: Cosmic_Equilibrium on January 03, 2024, 11:47:24 PMQuote from: Pentagrimes on December 30, 2023, 11:30:02 PMArise is the obvious one for me. A watered down version of what had come before that's the sound of a band bored of what they were doing, but doing it anyway. Shit record.
I keep seeing this opinion posted and it makes no sense. Arise is basically BTR part 2. If you liked one you'll like the other surely?
Yeah I don't get this at all. BTR sounds like a proof of concept (their first two albums are unlistenable to me), Arise is the refined version of it.
Quote from: leatherface on January 04, 2024, 03:46:19 PMAs far as Judas Priest goes 'Turbo' is great and unfairly maligned, the turd in their catalogue is 'Nostradamus' easily.
This is very true!
'Nostradamus' is the only Priest album I gave only managed to barely listen to once.
'Turbo' is great.
It was my gateway Priest album.
Quote from: jobrok1 on January 04, 2024, 06:56:10 PMQuote from: leatherface on January 04, 2024, 03:46:19 PMAs far as Judas Priest goes 'Turbo' is great and unfairly maligned, the turd in their catalogue is 'Nostradamus' easily.
This is very true!
'Nostradamus' is the only Priest album I gave only managed to barely listen to once.
'Turbo' is great.
It was my gateway Priest album.
Nostradamus is a hard listen. I only listened to it once and all. I don't see them ever playing a track live off of it ha ha
Satyricon 'Rebel Extravaganza'. 3 classic albums and then the band went to absolute shit fairly rapidly with this one. Everything that came after this album was even worse.
Quote from: Slaughterday on January 07, 2024, 06:37:39 PMSatyricon 'Rebel Extravaganza'. 3 classic albums and then the band went to absolute shit fairly rapidly with this one. Everything that came after this album was even worse.
Ah here!,this and Volcano are great albums!
Ulver - Themes from William Blake... They should have changed their name after Nattens Madrigal, they became a different band and not a good one imo.
Quote from: Paul keohane on January 07, 2024, 06:50:49 PMQuote from: Slaughterday on January 07, 2024, 06:37:39 PMSatyricon 'Rebel Extravaganza'. 3 classic albums and then the band went to absolute shit fairly rapidly with this one. Everything that came after this album was even worse.
Ah here!,this and Volcano are great albums!
I love those albums and actually most of what came after as well.
Quote from: Mithrandir on January 07, 2024, 08:10:50 PMUlver - Themes from William Blake... They should have changed their name after Nattens Madrigal, they became a different band and not a good one imo.
I don't like Ulver at all now but I enjoyed William Blake
Glad to see Dave has changed his mind to agree with me at last. He wasn't so upset when the cash was rolling in, though. Didn't he blame Cryptic Writings on management too, or was it Risk? He blamed Friedman for Risk, I thought?
Wanker.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/that_was_just_too_much_dave_mustaine_explains_why_he_was_unhappy_with_compromises_he_had_to_make_on_megadeths_hit_album.html
Ah yes, the Lewis Hamilton of metal. Everything's everyone else's fault.
Sabbat - Mourning Has Broken.
A steaming pile of dogshit.
Quote from: Petardo on April 19, 2024, 07:59:15 PMSabbat - Mourning Has Broken.
A steaming pile of dogshit.
I file this under "so bad it's best to just pretend it never happened".
Quote from: Bürggermeister on April 19, 2024, 04:50:39 PMGlad to see Dave has changed his mind to agree with me at last. He wasn't so upset when the cash was rolling in, though. Didn't he blame Cryptic Writings on management too, or was it Risk? He blamed Friedman for Risk, I thought?
Wanker.
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/that_was_just_too_much_dave_mustaine_explains_why_he_was_unhappy_with_compromises_he_had_to_make_on_megadeths_hit_album.html
This arsehole. I'm a huge fan of classic Megadeth, and even some of the more recent stuff, but the man never stops. How can he still be so bitter after so much success? And he is so full of shit. Blaming Marty Friedman and then acting as if they were "family" when Friedman guested live last year, and every new guitarist is "the one he has been looking for".
Now he is acting as if Max Norman had all the power, or that Dan Huff, or Bud Prager or whomever made all the decisions, rather than Dave fucking Mustaine.
I see he also claimed that 'Killing Is My Business' was "So ahead if its time that people didn't really understand it" which seems a bit weird to me.
I mean perhaps the general public or more mainstream metal/hard rock fans wouldn't have got it at the time, but given the sort of records that preceded it - The first few Venom, Heavy Metal Maniac, Kill Em All, Show No Mercy and Hell Awaits, Bonded By Blood, Feel The Fire, War And Pain, In The Sign Of Evil, Sentence Of Death and Infernal Overkill, Morbid Tales, the first two Bathory etc - surely it was very much of it's time?
Yeah, as an album 'Killing...' has been overlooked or unfairly maligned at times, I often found myself defending it over the years, but how exactly was it so ahead of it's time? It's not like it's a completely separate style from their other albums, or that of their peers, one that a million bands picked up on a decade later or whatever.
Never much into Megadeth (or at all really) but having listened to them over the years I think Mustaine is a great guitarist and that's about it. The bass is nothing, the drums are nothing, the vocals are nothing and the songs are nothing. If he hadn't been in Metallica for that one album, would anyone even be talking about them now? I've wanted to like them a few times and that Tornado of Souls is actually decent but fucking hell how overrated can a band actually be? Really nothing there at all to back up the interest in them and I hate calling things shite because they can all do better than me but from a consumer standpoint they are actually shite therefore Where it All Turned To Shit was actually all along rather than any particular falloff
Can't agree with that. There's some great basslines on the classic records, and Gar Samuelson was lethal on the drums. In terms of 80s metal I'd place him at the top with Lombardo.
Despite his personality, Mustaine did write some killer riffs for both Metallica and Megadeth.
I saw an old video of Mustaine recently demonstrating some riffs and I swear the lad has one of the most awkward and uncomfortable looking fretting techniques going.
I'm not calling his guitar playing into question at all and fair enough about one of the drummers and one of the bass players but I still stand by the general thing I said. Such run of the mill everything. Not even bad enough to really call out, just nothing doing for about 90 percent of what I've heard, which can't be more than about a third of it being honest.
Ah the bassline to Peace Sells is a total fist pumper.
Atrocity - Blut
Hallucinations was incredible, blistering early technical death metal. They followed up with Todessensucht, a genuine death metal masterpiece.
Then on Blut, Atrocity lived up to their moniker musically with an overflowing toilet bowl of chugga chugga shouty guy nonsense about being a vampire.
They have stayed consistently terrible ever since, across decades, a variety of different styles and genres including returning to death metal.
Two fucking savage albums, then shit forever.
Samuelson and Menza are both absolute animals.
Mastodon post-"The Hunter" is where I part ways with them.
"Once More 'Round The Sun" is the last Mastodon album that I pre-ordered without hearing much from it.
Come to think of it - it's the last of their albums that I bought. I haven't listened to a note of their last album.
It's good. I think.
Nonsense re Megadeth, Peace Sells , So Far and Rust are as good as anything from that era. And actually the following 2 albums are decent too.
I still haven't listened to the last Mastodon one in full. Hard to raise the enthusiasm for it, Emperor Of Sand I found fairly dull.
Quote from: Carnage on April 22, 2024, 12:16:18 PMI still haven't listened to the last Mastodon one in full. Hard to raise the enthusiasm for it, Emperor Of Sand I found fairly dull.
I listened to "Empire Of Sand" two or three times in full. Can't say I found anything to like about it.
Emperor of Sand is class. Had Crack The Syke on yesterday for the first time in ages. Perfect.
I'd put Hushed & Grim only behind Leviathan and Crack the Skye, which share joint first place for me in the Mastodon discography.
Very high praise. I'll try it again soon. Maybe.
I'll sit down and give that and Emperor Of Sand a proper go at some stage. Maiden's last one too, I've only played bits of that.
I've fallen into a pattern of buying new music but not actually listening to anything for ages. I have stacks of albums to get through and yet I repeatedly find myself going back to stuff I've had for years.
Quote from: Carnage on April 22, 2024, 12:16:18 PMI still haven't listened to the last Mastodon one in full. Hard to raise the enthusiasm for it, Emperor Of Sand I found fairly dull.
Same. They dropped off after Crack The Skye for me.
I like The Hunter and OMRTS but CTS was definitely their peak. The live version is awful though. I've never seen them live but anything I've heard or seen on video has been poor, particularly the vocals.
I've seen them good and bad, if my memory serves me. All the more recent ones were great. Think the gig with Slayer in Cork was bad.
Seen them poor once and blowing the roof off twice. Don't know if they've become more reliable over time, but them being hit and miss live was definitely a talking point for a long time. Gojira, whatever about the evolution of their music, were the much more powerful live act while both their stars were rising during more or less the same period.
Gojira have always been ridiculous live. The gig in Whelan's was insanity
Also re Megadeth. No. They wrote killer songs with killer drums and bass, end of.
System has failed was their last decent album though.
Kick the Chair is a whopper of a tune.
Mastodon are shit live. Gave them plenty of chances too, poor sound most of the time and zero charisma.
I distinctly remember the Slayer support in the Ambassador around 2005 as many on the old forum had it down as a passing of the guard so to speak, that they would blow the headliners off the stage. Utter garbage, a sound so poor I couldn't tell one track from another. Seen them again supporting Tool amongst others and was always the same craic. I heard from a few people that I needed to see them "Headline" so took myself to Vicar street at the next time of asking only to find they were down a guitarist and as bad as ever. Phenomenal really given the albums are so good.
Just while I see Megadeth mentioned I think Youthanasia is the drop off point. It's a fantastic body of work up until that record, with some undisputed thrash classics along the way. Youthanasia is the end of their natural creative journey, musically I think the band were comfortable in their own skin delivering that album. The side step into a more commercial, mature (whatever you want to call it) sound felt right. Everything after has been forced or painful. Cryptic Writings had one or two bangers but it's a mess of an album, as is Risk. World Needs a Hero is the sound of a band that haven't a clue what they're doing, it makes the previous two records sound focussed. I don't think I've relistened to anything since Mustaine took complete control back more than a handful of times. Can anyone recall a riff from 13 for example? Don't talk to me about The Sick The Dying And The Dead, I felt like all those things listening to it.
Yes agree after Youthanasia there's nothing there. I wouldn't be a fan of their last album either.
Quote from: Ducky on April 23, 2024, 04:07:08 AMKick the Chair is a whopper of a tune.
Scorpion is no slouch either!
The last one is the first of theirs that I never bothered with, and I think I only gave the previous one just the one listen. He's been treading water for decades, the last truly decent album was Rust In Peace.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 23, 2024, 07:46:25 AMCryptic Writings had one or two bangers but it's a mess of an album
Mess is the exact descriptor for it. She-Wolf, Disintegrators, FFF, Vortex and Trust are all great tunes. There's a couple of others that are fine but it's the sheer gap between something like She-Wolf and absolute ballix like Have Cool Will Travel.
I think if you took the last 6-7 Megadeth albums and compiled the best 10-12 songs you'd have a great 2000s compilation album, whereas I cannot pick out 10 great Metallica songs from the last 25 years.
I can't listen to Youthanasia, never liked it and anytime I go back to it.. meh!
Quote from: Pain Medicine on April 23, 2024, 10:06:30 AMI think if you took the last 6-7 Megadeth albums and compiled the best 10-12 songs you'd have a great 2000s compilation album
I did that with their output post-RIP up to Super Collider, got a couple of hours' worth of decent material. It's there but you've got to root through hours of shite to find it.
Quote from: Skott Furys jizz rag on April 23, 2024, 01:27:38 AMGojira have always been ridiculous live. The gig in Whelan's was insanity
I left that early. They're just a very, very boring band to me.
I remember I had an amazing time at that one but retained none of the details. Except that the MDMA was evidently of very high quality :laugh:
Quote from: Ducky on April 19, 2024, 08:59:46 PMQuote from: Petardo on April 19, 2024, 07:59:15 PMSabbat - Mourning Has Broken.
A steaming pile of dogshit.
I file this under "so bad it's best to just pretend it never happened".
That's the one. The absolute worst of the worst.
Quote from: Crow on April 24, 2024, 07:33:04 PMQuote from: Ducky on April 19, 2024, 08:59:46 PMQuote from: Petardo on April 19, 2024, 07:59:15 PMSabbat - Mourning Has Broken.
A steaming pile of dogshit.
I file this under "so bad it's best to just pretend it never happened".
That's the one. The absolute worst of the worst.
Didn't Andy Sneap admit that it done to get out from the Noise contract?
To be fair, that description could apply to any Sabbat release. They're shit.
Sabbat? The English Sabbat? Shit? What the hell man?!
That may be the single most controversial opinion I've seen on here.
Controversial opinion, for sure. History of a Time to Come and Dreamweaver are both amazing albums. History is one of my favourite albums of all time. In my mind that 3rd album just never happened.
Yeah, they're crap. Never saw the appeal. Skyclad either, for that matter.
I love Sabbat. That dense guitar sound, Walkier's odd rasp and delivery, and Sneap trying to bring in Puppet/Justice era Metallica and Mercyful Fate type complexity on Dreamweaver where his ambition often exceeds his ability. There is something really charming about that. Plus they were heavy as balls. I was a huge fan of 'The Way of Wyrd' too, so the tie in was always appealing.
The first two Skyclad were great. I do like some of the albums after that, but they leaned too much into the lyrical puns and the folksy vibe started to grate after a while (which is odd given that I am a massive fan of Jethro Tull and Horslips, as well as actual folk music) but the style on Wayward Sons, and Burnt Offering to a slightly lesser extent - with plenty of early speed metal and nwobhm influence, and just a hint of the folk thing - was immense. I mean, 'The Cradle Will Fall' alone is one of the best thrash/speed metal tunes of all time.
That said, I'd take Satan over Skyclad.
From what came before culminating in Bathory - Twilight of the Gods, the collapse to Requiem/Octagon is unreal. Almost a pisstake especially when you hear he rated Requiem one of his best.
Requiem is my favourite Bathory album, I think it's mighty. Obviously Hammerheart, Twilight & BFD are all better albums, but that's the one I go back to most often.
really? it just won't click with me. ill give it more listens. drums are shite to my ears & riffs are boring. i do like the guitar tone of Octagon though. the start of 33 something for example. shocking lyrics however haha.
Quote from: Carnage on April 25, 2024, 01:27:11 AMTo be fair, that description could apply to any Sabbat release. They're shit.
Quote from: Carnage on April 25, 2024, 09:34:50 AMYeah, they're crap. Never saw the appeal. Skyclad either, for that matter.
Quote from: Carnage on April 25, 2024, 11:05:32 AMRequiem is my favourite Bathory album, I think it's mighty.
you're torching the place! :abbath:
The drums are shite on Requiem alright, crappy drum machine and weirdly barely in time. The production's crap overall but what can I say, I really like the songs.
Quote from: Crow on April 24, 2024, 07:33:04 PMQuote from: Ducky on April 19, 2024, 08:59:46 PMQuote from: Petardo on April 19, 2024, 07:59:15 PMSabbat - Mourning Has Broken.
A steaming pile of dogshit.
I file this under "so bad it's best to just pretend it never happened".
That's the one. The absolute worst of the worst.
Crow! Long time no see! Pretty sure even the band didn't bother to reissue this with the first two circa 2006 it's such a limp biscuit.
Quote from: The Wretch on April 25, 2024, 09:50:27 AMI mean, 'The Cradle Will Fall' alone is one of the best thrash/speed metal tunes of all time.
Agree completely. Cradle Will Fall usually goes on repeat for a bit when I have the first album on.
Ditto Halo of Flies from Silent Whales (which was my first Skyclad album so it hits a bit for nostalgic reasons).