There I fucking said it. And I stand by it. and fuck the controversial metal opinions thread too cus I feel this is worth its own thread and not controversial. And also; I am genuinely vaguely curious about peoples opinions on this band, both where they are at today and what they think of their work up to Midian. I'm not sure if I am alone in seeing such a distinct shift in their style from Thornography to today from what they did before but I just have a hard time getting into any of it. and I've tried!
For me I really feel Principle, Dusk, Cruelty, From The Cradle & Midian most especially are just fucking brilliant and essential black metal. and for me archetypes. I have vivid memories and nostalgia around the years 1999/2000, being 15/16 & honestly thinking they were the most extreme and evil band out there, and I swear thinking and feeling like I was the coolest cunt going hanging around Dublin City round the central bank and the old Temple Bar music center etc alternating between wearing a From the Cradle to Enslave tshirt and that Jesus Is A Cunt one that nearly got me killed on the way home on the bus one night!
I also have vivid nostalgia; remembering just going into Sound Cellar off Nassau street weekly almost ritually and just worshipping the glass case collection of death and black metal cds, but being most curious about Cradle and buying 1 a week feeling like a fucking dark lord. You have to remember this was back in the day of early MTV2 and Kerrang! TV channels being often other than the old PhantomFM radio station the only places to hear metal besides your own research like, and the vids for "Her Ghost In The Fog" and "From The Cradle to Enslave" were easily among the most extreme you could get on these poxy channels so yeah I've watched them countless times.
I really feel like Midian has aged extremely well and stands as one of the best black metal albums. I know they got very overblown on the theatrical symphonic and cheese elements for most peoples taste, and honestly this includes me so I get it! But I fucking stand by their early work man and suggest it highly to black metal fans, like if you dismissed it maybe retry it sometime. and finally I have to say, despite not being on Midian sadly, Nick Barker is a fucking beast on drums on those early Cradle albums!
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I'm well in the Midian camp ,some of the riffs on there are just pure British steel, in fact so much of Cradle is based on the classic NWOBHM sound that I hold them totally separate from the Black Metal horde. I'd have Midian in third behind Dusk and Cruelty so no controversy or hackles raised here at least!
I never listened to it. I thought From the Cradle to Enslave was muck and gave up on them. I was also really obsessed with all the Relapse stuff that was coming out at that time so my mind was elsewhere. Must check out Midian now with the benefit of a couple of decades behind it.
From Cradle is indeed muck. Beggars belief that they still play it.
Midian is a stone cold classic, it's just a great metal record full of classic riffs, there's no arguing with the songwriting on that one.
I'm going to be more controversial I think everything up to Damnation is worth having. Damnation is a fascinating but flawed album, they really flexed their muscles on that album. There's several miss-steps along the way and the album is far far too long. But really is an album of ambition that deserves to be revisited every once in a while. The budget obviously allowed for things like using a real orchestra, some of the string sections are sublime.
I'd go one album further and say up to Thornography is great, love I am the Thorn.
Amongst their later stuff are some decent tracks and Manticore still gets regular plays in my house.
Also one of the best gigs I've been to, was Cradle with God Seed and Rotting Christ in the Forum London 2012. All three fucking ripped!
I agree but would cut off at Cruelty. I remember ordering the FTCTE video and wondering what the fuck this nonsense was. Midian I was very disappointed with at the time, it just felt like such a step down from the last 2 records, but in retrospect it's a very solid record with some great guitar parts.
Check out the Scars and Guitars podcast if you are very nostalgic for 90s COF, a lot of the ex band members are interviewed on it.
Midian is awful and ended my obsession with that band. I love everything up to that and Cruelty is an amazing album even if it couldn't be passed off as black metal by any stretch.
Loved everything up to Cruelty, nyself. Midian marked a change to my ears, but still like it.
Enjoyed most of their stuff for a while after, to a degree.
Controversial opinion... I think Nymphetamine is a banging album.
And I usually tried to nab the special editions of their albums just for the bonus cover versions. I really get a kick out if most of those.
Cthulhu Dawn is a banger in particular on Midian. Regularly play that to get the blood flowin 😅
Yeah I'm with a few others here - Cruelty is the cut off. When From The Cradle.... came out there was an obvious shift to more accessible territory. The video was more important than the song, indeed the entire EP which was just filler. Dani started a column in metal hammer. The tongue in cheek stuff started to get out of hand. Gone was the gothic romance and in came Clive barker horror. Midian felt a confirmation of a failing vision to me at this time. I was only 18/19 but I was gone. Bought the follow up Bitter Suites.... but it was hopeless.
Still throw on the first few albums occasionally. Strong nostalgia.
Midian was the last thing I ever physically bought by them,some cool tracks on it.But by that point I was listening to other stuff,COF really didnt interest me much anymore.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 24, 2023, 07:48:51 AMI never listened to it.
Weird!
Y'know man...I've actually read most of your 7000+ posts on this forum; not to mention plus whatever number it was back on MI too; (not in a weird way or by choice by any means- just by default by reading the forum like anyone- and I do be impressed with your knowledge of music, and I usually enjoy your musings in general, not to mention I honestly humbly respect you as an Irish metal musician being part of a savage Irish metal band I've praised enough elsewhere..and all;
BUT I gotta say, and respectfully- I'm only up for a bit of craic and a bit of healthy metal debate here on the very place for it right... that I find it (vaguely) SHOCKing, Frankly!;Sir, how much one; or indeed You; could know so much about music and metal, including perhaps a couple hundred obscure metal bands across all the genres I can recall you mentioning right; but yet you can manage to randomly pass over such classic and highly regarded classic shit! Like here; on the topic of Black metal you know the Norwegian scene inside out and lots of European bands too, you listen to BURZUM regularly and probably do weird Satanic gardening rituals vibing to some Mortuary Drape and a cheap red wine with a wax melt going that smells like a nappy or something, but like, somehow you have never once in over 20 years of being a metal fan, thought to check Midian out ever even out of curiousity?!! Thats just fuckin weird to me man! Especially considering even you were a fan of the bands previous albums too.
Like I would say quite comfortably, because it was fact well outside of me and not a matter of opinion or taste; that Cradle of Filth were easily as popular and revered as MAYHEM were in the late 90s/early 00s for black metal and were clearly representing Black metal strongly for England, in the same way that Primordial were for Ireland; or Rotting Christ for Greece. It seemed to me there was a truly dark vibe around them 99/00, likely its just my perception and my age then I dunno but like I was saying in my OP that has been sadly long lost on the band now that I am very nostalgic for; having a mid-life crisis of sorts as a 39 year old Irish metalhead as I am I guess. but Like what was mentioned there people had cut off points; being last albums they were into before they had to bow out. For me Midian was it. I've tried with Damnation (I love the theme being obsessed with Aleister Crowley to this day as I Am but still no), Nymphetamine, Thornography onward wanting to like them but just not. Honestly I think that vid for Babalon A.D. just fucked it for me, its just embarrasingly bad. At least the older vids they had, while ridiculous maybe, had that very METAL like IMMORTAL vibe that made it Trve! yknow..and then that hideous song The Death Of Love had me considering selling my Filth CDs in shame. It just got too commercial and Evanescencey and I just can't with shit like that.
Likewise curiosity;; in an other thread there a couple weeks back, I believe in response to the newest SADUS single, (which I agree with you honestly on one level because its a bit shit really in the way that its nothing new, and if they were a new band I would probably dismiss it, but they are not a new band they are going since 1986 and its actually not that fucking bad..) you said you had never listened to classic SADUS ever. and I didn't even reply but I was just like to meself for a second; WTF. how is that possible when this dude knows so much fucking metal that I've discovered a fair few deadly obscure bands from his namedropping over the years? (Ride For Revenge is one that stands out- I recall you praising the innovativeness of The King Of Snakes the year it came out and I've been hooked on this band ever since. I am so fucking disturbed by spiritual tormentors you wouldn't believe it man.)
Like I dunno but for me when I first heard Metallica at 15 I I consumed everything and anything THRASH I could get my hands eyes and ears on and within a couple of years was already running out of 3rd rate obscure bands (Believer, Realm, ASPID anyone??) , to discover for the first time, nevermind easily 1st or 2nd rate I would say legendary blueprint for the genre type bands like SADUS. I mean fucking Chemical Exposure and Swallowed In Black? Forget about it. For me; these 2 albums are easily alongside Dark Angel- Darkness Descends, Infernal Majesty- None Shall Defy & Holy Terror- Mind Wars as like the pinnacle of absolutely brutal and true Thrash metal of the highest caliber at the peak of its power. And Steve DiGiorgio is a fucking murderer on bass.
Just a weird coincidence I guess, for anyone to miss any band or album. I guess it just comes down to the randomness of peoples different tastes moods and interests etc that is completely arbitrary & also very vaguely or barely interesting honestly anyways so back to Cradle of Filth- I am curious what age were you in the year 2000 and did you ever pick up the likes of Kerrang and Metal Hammer etc at the time? Cradle were all over these then decked out looking fucking evil and Satanic as fuck, to the degree its so over the top its stupid but I think its cool really and just funny anyone would be shocked by anyone wearing or looking like fucking anything like but what was brilliant to me about Cradle at the time was just the serious contrast to the Linkin Park Papa Roach Crazy Townz on the other page yknow and I just thought that was genius. but it wasn't just the over the top evil image they were selling- they actually had several strong albums out with some deadly black metal tunes that actually had proper fucking production that sounded massive unlike Darkthrone or BURZUM recorded using a fucking cauliflower. And They had hot girls with big tits and blood and shit on their album covers but it wasn't cheesy, it was fucking evil and sexy. They had a very true and Satanic vibe about them, at least to me at the time. It seemed any metalheads I knew were dividing between true old Heavy Thrashers etc...and younger heads worshipping Marilyn Manson or KoRn and Slipknot, but the vibe was at the time if you were into shit like MAYHEM, EMPEROR, or Cradle of Filth, AKERCOCKe and the Horny Goats of Mendes or whatnot, or if you knew about BATHORY... you were still a fucking absolute Satanic weirdo. Maybe even to many other metalheads as black metal was still at the time very much from what I remember feeling, dark weird and Hateful music for outsiders. But today it's like black metal is so well known to everyone and nothing is shocking anymore of course. Not that anyone should give a fuck, just an observation and curiosity really all this I guess.
But yeah It was the year 2000. Black metal nostalgia. I was very frequently wearing a long black leather jacket everywhere as I thought the film The Matrix was deadly and had bought one in a shop I dont remember the nameof but was groundfloor in St. Stephens Green Shopping Center the very next day after I seen it and was adament it was and I was pure deadly for a couple of years before I gave it to a homeless bastard on the Ha-penny bridge one night drunk. But yeah many friends or people I knew were obsessed with Chocolate Starfish And The Hot Dog Flavored Water or Dr. Dre Chronic 2001 or whatever (I had shit and un-trve friends I guess but hey- they were the ones with the weed drinks and drugs!) but I instead bought a copy of Midian and blasted Cthulu Dawn while reading Lovecraft.. while several cutouts of Cradle from magazines slowly joined my posters of Morrissey on the wall (fuck you I love him) and I know I'm getting weird now but then later having a cheeky wank to some slightly dodgy goth s&m porn on fucking dialup with the required patience of an Irish Priest, while working on serious efforts trying to get me hole and hit on girls that were way out of my league playing the alternative card because listen I am different babe and I hate all them bastards too. Like do they really think robbing cars and driving fast is cool? EMINEM? lol gay. I can't believe he actually hit you WTF i would never! I dunno why I always wear the big coat ha I just think it looks cool I guess, have you ever seen the Matrix? It means I reject your stupid fucking reality and I substitute my own. but here Listen ; have you ever tried black lipstick?
Anyway whatever. Midian is a really good fucking black metal album and thats all. Theres something about the whole package of the purple Lovecraftian artwork and theme that really pulled me in. That and the flawless production and deadly Maidenesque riffery and downright just fucking weird shrieking vocals that cannot be denied. Check it out sometime and let us all in the world know man! At least someone please check out the delicious bass playing in Her Ghost In The Fog at 3.55 - 4.15 that has haunted me for over 2 decades and pushed me to finally pick up a bass guitar a few years back. If that isn't a tasty little lick there that doesn't make you wanna oil up some hot Satanist Goth Girls big tits; well then you can fuck off; & I don't know! Forgive me for waffling here; but it is Stephen's Day morning and I do enjoy having time off work and I do enjoy a cheeky Baileys and a nice joint with some BLACK METAL first thing in the morning!, so why not stir up a bit of Metal forum debate for the craic. If this is not the place for it; sure where is right?!
I would say sorry for wasting a minute of your time reading all that there if you or anyone has; but Hey; I am talking to someone with over 7000 forum posts so...
Slainte! :abbath:
Dusk is the only worthwhile Cradle of Filth release.
I'm not reading all of that but I'll answer the bit I read. I loved Dusk when it came out. I liked Cruelty but to a lesser degree. In retrospect and having figured out the vocabulary of my emotions back then, I think it was down to the production being inferior to my ear. Some of the obscurity as I saw it was lost along the way. Still a good album but not as good.
I got into metal at a really young age back in around 1990. GNR, swiftly followed by Metallica, Megadeth, ST, Anthrax and Slayer. My knowledge of metal was incredibly limited and my access to new bands was even more so back then. The Metal Show began in 1992 and I listened to it religiously but bear in mind I was still only 10 at that point so I had no money. I would get a few tapes for my birthday and Christmas and record the odd thing here and there as well. Grunge came along around then so that was on my radar and bits of nu metal a couple of years after that. Odds and sods like Therapy?,NIN,Ministry, then (edit-Deicide and Obituary got me into death metal in around 93/94), Paradise Lost, Cannibal Corpse, Brutal Truth, Samael and later COF, Emperor, Hecate Enthroned. The Geasa demo. Plus loads of punk and bits of hardcore. It was a big mashup of this, that and the other that caught my attention but no deep dives into scenes back in the 90s. I just didn't have much of a clue, just followed what interested me.
By the early 00s when I went on the internet I was around 19 and really hungry for more extreme stuff. I had been getting into the Relapse stuff over the past couple of years plus Neurosis, Breach, Today is the Day, Pig Destroyer etc. Then doom caught me. Khanate, Unearthly Trance and Rev Biz in particular. That opened black metal up to me too and off I went with a few hints on forums, lots of cluelessness and total obsession.
So while I picked up on many classics along the way there are still many many, many areas that just don't interest me all that much. I find myself drawn more to 80s and 90s classics and obscurities in recent years but sure, there's no end to them in any direction so what can I do. I just keep following what intrigues me at any given paycheck and follow my own nose. It results in heavy focus in certain areas and very little in others.
As a musician that can be a strength as you have a more eclectic pool of influences to draw from. Or maybe I'm giving myself too much credit there :laugh:
As for Midian, my COF obsession had cooled off a couple of years before it came out so it passed me by.
Midian is a strange one - musically a lot of it is very good, but it's completely devoid of the atmosphere that made Dusk and Cruelty so memorable. Summed up by the terrible album artwork - from atmospheric Hammer Horror vampire chic to Shockly Clive Barker shit.
Yeah the artwork was terrible which really didn't help, but the EP before it had great artwork and shite music which was the nail in the coffin for my interest.
Massive fan of Cradle up to Midian, ended up getting all their stuff on cd cause they show up in carboot sales for 2 quid a piece, picked up the Gospel of Filth for a fiver, seen them live for Halloween in 2018 in Dublin which was great craic, heard their newer stuff is harkening back to the old style but the only stuff I regularly listen to is Principle to Cruelty. I think their early stuff is disregarded because of where they ended up playing hot topic gothic metal but the first 3 full lengths are killer releases imo.
Principle is regarded as one of the best black metal releases ever,its gets forgotten because they turned into a different band.I still remember hearing Principle for the first time on the 2fm metal show,i was 15,never heard anything like it!.
Quote from: Danny on December 24, 2023, 04:59:31 AMThere I fucking said it. And I stand by it. and fuck the controversial metal opinions thread too cus I feel this is worth its own thread and not controversial. And also; I am genuinely vaguely curious about peoples opinions on this band, both where they are at today and what they think of their work up to Midian. I'm not sure if I am alone in seeing such a distinct shift in their style from Thornography to today from what they did before but I just have a hard time getting into any of it. and I've tried!
For me I really feel Principle, Dusk, Cruelty, From The Cradle & Midian most especially are just fucking brilliant and essential black metal. and for me archetypes. I have vivid memories and nostalgia around the years 1999/2000, being 15/16 & honestly thinking they were the most extreme and evil band out there, and I swear thinking and feeling like I was the coolest cunt going hanging around Dublin City round the central bank and the old Temple Bar music center etc alternating between wearing a From the Cradle to Enslave tshirt and that Jesus Is A Cunt one that nearly got me killed on the way home on the bus one night!
I also have vivid nostalgia; remembering just going into Sound Cellar off Nassau street weekly almost ritually and just worshipping the glass case collection of death and black metal cds, but being most curious about Cradle and buying 1 a week feeling like a fucking dark lord. You have to remember this was back in the day of early MTV2 and Kerrang! TV channels being often other than the old PhantomFM radio station the only places to hear metal besides your own research like, and the vids for "Her Ghost In The Fog" and "From The Cradle to Enslave" were easily among the most extreme you could get on these poxy channels so yeah I've watched them countless times.
I really feel like Midian has aged extremely well and stands as one of the best black metal albums. I know they got very overblown on the theatrical symphonic and cheese elements for most peoples taste, and honestly this includes me so I get it! But I fucking stand by their early work man and suggest it highly to black metal fans, like if you dismissed it maybe retry it sometime. and finally I have to say, despite not being on Midian sadly, Nick Barker is a fucking beast on drums on those early Cradle albums!
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ha, yeah a lot of this resonates with me. i was wholly sucked in a few years before when the first albums were being released.
running around with Vestal Masturbation LS thinking i was the mutts nuts. spun TPOEMFlesh to death, knew every lyric back to front. Peaked with Dusk.. for me. picked up Cruelty.. on release and enjoyed it but interest waned and i've never properly listened to Midian. Will need to return to it now
On a related note, the missus threw in a Cradle longsleeve without even looking at it in my Xmas box, scantily clad nuns lusting over each other all over the show. I have it on now. Inside out.
I'd heard a load of their stuff over the years, but only started picking up the albums and properly listening to them about a year ago. So far it's Damnation, and Godspeed on the Devils Thunder I keep coming back to
The problem with COF for me is that very early on, it became more about selling the image than the music. An album and an EP out but around 30 T-shirts on sale, that kinda thing. Savvy business sense maybe, but offputting at the time. Nowadays it's common practice obviously but I could never take them seriously as a band from early on.
This gave me a chuckle, though:
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Yeah, even Graham Linehan and the IT crowd were taking the piss, ..they made themselves easy targets. There's 3 different sets of naked tits on that shirt I got. Shocking stuff Ted.
I had a big titted COF t shirt also as a teenager come to think of it... mysteriously vanished between washes. Don't think my mother was too impressed.
Nothing more dangerous for an edgy t-shirt than a religious ma at a washing machine
I had the Sedusa LS back in the 90s. No tits on it but maybe one in it.
Didnt Tommy in Sound Seller get a load of COF shirts in one time years back,but there was a Union jack on the back of the shirt!?.The only COF shirts he found hard to shift in Ireland at the time.
A lad i used to be good friends with back in the mid 90s was one of the first i knew to get the 'Jesus is a cunt' shirt.Hes long gone out of the scene,but id bump into him every so often and we'd stil have a good chuckle about him walking around in the shirt ,and me in a Machine Head 'Fuck it all' shirt backb in the day.Christ!,embarrassing!Two knuckle heads!
Listened to Principles yesterday for the first time in years, had sort of forgotten how good it actually is. Now I have ended up ordering Cruelty and Midian as I had sold them years ago during a clear out, due to this thread. Still have Dusk so will stick it on later.
Remember liking Damnation when it was first released but the one after that turned me right off them.
Quote from: jpm4 on December 28, 2023, 11:32:03 PMI had a big titted COF t shirt also as a teenager come to think of it... mysteriously vanished between washes. Don't think my mother was too impressed.
Praise the whore in massive letters on the back? My brother had that one, there's a different one on the go now. He had the orignal JIAC one back in the day, lost it in a house fire. Probably worth a few bob now.
Quote from: Carnage on December 29, 2023, 12:01:11 PMQuote from: jpm4 on December 28, 2023, 11:32:03 PMI had a big titted COF t shirt also as a teenager come to think of it... mysteriously vanished between washes. Don't think my mother was too impressed.
Praise the whore in massive letters on the back? My brother had that one, there's a different one on the go now. He had the orignal JIAC one back in the day, lost it in a house fire. Probably worth a few bob now.
Nope it was Kali Destroyer of Worlds:
https://images.app.goo.gl/TsXA6MtgWgLgXkSW8
Not sure what the fuck I was thinking buying that, I'd have to pay someone to take it if I still had it.
Quote from: Paul keohane on December 29, 2023, 09:42:17 AMA lad i used to be good friends with back in the mid 90s was one of the first i knew to get the 'Jesus is a cunt' shirt.Hes long gone out of the scene,but id bump into him every so often and we'd stil have a good chuckle about him walking around in the shirt ,and me in a Machine Head 'Fuck it all' shirt backb in the day.Christ!,embarrassing!Two knuckle heads!
Brilliant !!! :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: jpm4 on December 29, 2023, 12:11:13 PMQuote from: Carnage on December 29, 2023, 12:01:11 PMQuote from: jpm4 on December 28, 2023, 11:32:03 PMI had a big titted COF t shirt also as a teenager come to think of it... mysteriously vanished between washes. Don't think my mother was too impressed.
Praise the whore in massive letters on the back? My brother had that one, there's a different one on the go now. He had the orignal JIAC one back in the day, lost it in a house fire. Probably worth a few bob now.
Nope it was Kali Destroyer of Worlds:
https://images.app.goo.gl/TsXA6MtgWgLgXkSW8
Not sure what the fuck I was thinking buying that, I'd have to pay someone to take it if I still had it.
Ah right, this was the one he had:
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Was mad into the Principle, Vempire and Dusk growing up. Also, enjoyed Cruelty but didn't know it as well. That all ended after seeing them at Tattoo the Planet. Thought they were so shit that I couldn't listen to them for years. Went back to Dusk last year and loved it once again. Didn't really venture into the rest. May do at some point.
Quote from: open face surgery on December 29, 2023, 03:25:46 PMWas mad into the Principle, Vempire and Dusk growing up. Also, enjoyed Cruelty but didn't know it as well. That all ended after seeing them at Tattoo the Planet. Thought they were so shit that I couldn't listen to them for years. Went back to Dusk last year and loved it once again. Didn't really venture into the rest. May do at some point.
I missed them in Temple bar music centre a few years previous , so Tattoo the planet was my first time seeing them too.I knew it was going to be bad when performers on stilts arrived on stage.
I still listen to Principle regularly enough!,but should probably go back to Dusk and Cruelty again;been ages.
The gig in TBMC was savage. Really dark and aggressive. The Tattoo the Planet gig was awful but I was already over them at that point.
The first introduction to COF for me was when I was 14 at my friends house blasting Midian ('Lord Abortion' intro is so evil along with 'Cthulhu Dawn') and as a young guitarist a lot of their stuff was fun to play, esp some of the stuff on Damnation. Cradle to Enslave EP onwards is what I'd know best but completely went off them by the time Nymphetamine/Thornography came along. I'll have to spend time on the earlier stuff and I wonder would it resonate now considering the entry point I began with many moons ago. Should I just start from the beginning or does it really matter?
Start with Dusk, it's arguably the only essential record.
Cruelty is the best one especially the last track. Having said that it's a been a long time since I listened to it. I stopped at Midian also and now I have no idea where my cd is.
Dusk has some heat moments as well.
Never saw the attraction Of this utterrly shit band .
Milked the black metal image and got lucky timing wise.
Dani has to be the worst vocalist I have ever had the misfortune to hear.
What the fuck do you call that annoying girl shriek he does for fuck sake ,wa wa wa wa ,wa wa wa ,wa.
People go on about dusk and her embrace as if it some masterpiece .
They don't hold a candle to the great band of the genre and are b tier shite in all but record sales
Quote from: Shitstirrer on January 01, 2024, 02:16:22 AMThey don't hold a candle to the great band of the genre
I value your opinion Mr Shitstirrer Sir. Curious what band that is you refer to, or perhaps you meant to say the great bandS? Who would your top 3 trve black metal bands be then?
Joke band,and milked what they coukd when the saw the oppertunity.But Principle wipes the floor with a lot of the old guards material imo.
Nothing can wipe the floor with DMDS,early Burzum or UAFM (or Thy Mighty Contract or Drawing Down the Moon or Wicca etc.). I think early Cradle stacks up well in its own right but wipes the floor? You've been sniffing cans of Lulu again!
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Gave Midian a listen earlier for first time in 23 years. The 17 year old me wasn't a bad judge. Album is horrific shite. Cheesefest by and large with the odd decent Maiden riff reminiscent of the earlier albums. But devoid of atmosphere and interesting songs. Appalling female vocals. Toe curling tongue in cheek lyrics. I guess if was your first COF album you might have a soft spot for it but this millennium era turd is certainly no classic any self respecting fan of black metal or underground metal in general needs to be aware of. It would be a closer companion of whatever Marilyn Manson etc was releasing at the time than any BM classic from the 90s. I thought all this was blindingly obvious at the time. However, admittedly, when I first heard COF (song Nocturnal Supremacy on a metal hammer cd around '95/'96) I thought they were certainly in league with the devil too, so I guess it all depends on when you first discover them as an impressionable young teen. They gave up any pretence at seriousness around Dusk/Cruelty for me. Probably earlier for older listeners.
More session musicians walking, nothing new there but some spicy stuff in this post including screenshots of the contract
https://www.instagram.com/zoemariefederoff?igsh=bGs1djZyNGc4NGc=
My algorithm keeps throwing me out updates on this, I did laugh a bit at a Facebook one from Dani where he clearly could not give a fuck .
They've had more keyboard players than shit albums at this point.
I'm sure he doesn't give a bollocks alright - some amount of crap albums.
Laughing at some of the comments though, "it's so sad, your contributions to cradle will be missed" :laugh: You're about the 8th keyboard player and have been in the band six minutes and played on one shit album.
I'm sure this all sounds great when you're young but when you've bills to pay those shit wages aren't gonna cut it.
Can't say I'm in anyway surprised. An old guitarist said something similar a few years ago from what I remember. Little Dani Davey gets musicians to write tunes for him to destroy with his gimpery :laugh: :abbath:
Dani fired yer man just there. No fucking around once the contract got shown. 😂
Other guitarist, yer wan's hubby, now fired effective immediately.
Wonder are they liable now given it is stated that no information be shared.
He's a cute hooer is Dani. Years of disgruntled ex members and none of them reading contracts!
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 26, 2025, 09:00:28 PMMore session musicians walking, nothing new there but some spicy stuff in this post including screenshots of the contract
https://www.instagram.com/zoemariefederoff?igsh=bGs1djZyNGc4NGc=
Her Post in the Blog
The Tour List Misses My Name
Cruelty Brought Thee Unemployment
Dole and Her Embrace
That's a pretty shocking contract in fairness, Jesus.
Where are you seeing the contract? Presumably if it's a shit contract, it was the same shit one they agreed to and signed on to?
I barely have the will to read my own contracts: can someone give the long and short of it?
Your one that left posted it on her post after the statement. Page 2 is the main gist over pay etc.
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But basically session musicians would have to contractually contribute material to recordings while getting £200 a day and £25 per diem on days related to work with the band. They also would have to sign away use of their image for $1000 a year. Also sign an exclusivity deal to COF is the guts of it.
It's pretty mad that that's a 25% pay increase according to her from their last contract, which is even more mental that her husband was in the band for years under that contract and she was like sweet, sign me up!
All these cunts who join the carousel are upwardly mobile careerists. You think the contract is fucked, don't sign it! No sympathy for these eejits.
To clarify my point, when a musician joins Cradle of Filth circa 2025, they aren't getting in at ground level with a promising enterprise and building it up with their own creativity. They are signing up to a well established institution with 30 plus years of history, one that has built up decades of fame and following. They are getting an instant leg-up, where they actually get paid a fee to be involved. It's a potential launchpad for their own worthless Bloodstock band. There's a contract you agree to when you sign up to this pyramid scheme and if it looks like shit, go jump in the van for ten years and do it the hard way.
Perhaps if you are going to contribute to the writing of new material you should have an additional contract written up to ensure you get your fair share of that particular pie, but what do these bums expect? A cut of Dusk...?
All valid points I'd have little sympathy myself in some respects.
I just didn't expect the pay to be that shit - how is that a 25% increase - practically slave labour. I think it's the fact they're expected to write the stuff too and the allegations of toxic environment that blur things somewhat.
Though Dani is now posting a lot of contradictory stuff. Responding to shit slinging etc so who knows.
This drama is the most entertaining COF release in years.
Bald men and comb comes to mind
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 27, 2025, 03:21:38 AMAll these cunts who join the carousel are upwardly mobile careerists. You think the contract is fucked, don't sign it! No sympathy for these eejits.
To clarify my point, when a musician joins Cradle of Filth circa 2025, they aren't getting in at ground level with a promising enterprise and building it up with their own creativity. They are signing up to a well established institution with 30 plus years of history, one that has built up decades of fame and following. They are getting an instant leg-up, where they actually get paid a fee to be involved. It's a potential launchpad for their own worthless Bloodstock band. There's a contract you agree to when you sign up to this pyramid scheme and if it looks like shit, go jump in the van for ten years and do it the hard way.
Perhaps if you are going to contribute to the writing of new material you should have an additional contract written up to ensure you get your fair share of that particular pie, but what do these bums expect? A cut of Dusk...?
This is spot on. People must be so blinded for their need for fame/recognition that they can't see the error in their ways of signing a contract and then publicly telling everyone how shit it is.
I hope Dani crushes these wimps under the Satanic might of his size 3 New Rocks.
How many £200 would you get in a year?,would you be called upon 80/90 days?
.Are you free to earn from other music/bands as long as it doesn't impact your COF commitments?
Not allowed find other work
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2025, 08:31:03 AMNot allowed find other work
Ok it's a bit shit so; like I'd i always presumed anyone going in as a hired gun in an established band would be doing it it along with other work.
I'd assume they thought that too. It's a shit contract but they signed it, neither side comes out of it looking good. Her husband got the sack since so you'd assume there was back and forth behind the scenes.
Devils advocate
This is their new contract which they didn't sign. Maybe they thought after tenure served they'd be better off? Maybe promised something? Vivian Campbell swore blind dio promised partnership after three records. Similar craic with Deftones???
Dusk and Her Employment Terms
Gilded Contract
Forgive Me Father (I Have Signed)
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2025, 09:21:11 AMDevils advocate
This is their new contract which they didn't sign. Maybe they thought after tenure served they'd be better off? Maybe promised something?
A fair point which I overlooked. But you'd assume after ten years with the band the terms would improve? If so, then they'd signed a worse contract to begin with. Speculation I know, but logical.
From a quick read of the contract, it's a lot worse and more onerous than I would've imagined. However, looking at the band's post-gig photos, their audiences are much smaller than I would've expected. I'd be more interested to see how much Davy gets in comparison. It does seem the band members can work other jobs, just not with other bands, and, on my reading, the members likely have a separate contract in relation to royalties and the label 'advance' that yer wan was complaining about initially, which is probably the biggest lump sum any member would be entitled to. Thinking about it from Davy and the managements point of view, it's possible the day-to-day payment is very low to stop the band going into the red, especially when touring, but each member might get substantial bonuses from profits. There are allusions to this in the contract.
I'm not sure the band have two albums with the same line-up.
Never understood the appeal, a cool song here and there but always felt like it was all about the tshirts. Cruelty had a lot of hype but I just thought it sounded like nonsense. I do like Dani's high screams though, always thought they would be class over some grind. Their cover of Hallowed be thy Name is great
Quote from: Barrytron on August 27, 2025, 12:19:14 PMNever understood the appeal, a cool song here and there but always felt like it was all about the tshirts. Cruelty had a lot of hype but I just thought it sounded like nonsense. I do like Dani's high screams though, always thought they would be class over some grind. Their cover of Hallowed be thy Name is great
Dusk is their pinnacle. Cruelty was disappointing in its wake. I remember thinking the production on Cruelty lacked the depth, lushness and Gothic atmosphere of Dusk; it seemed thinner and cheaper to me. And then the photo shoots with the lads at the beach and the dude surfing in the band photo on the inlay just killed the vibe.
QuoteIt does seem the band members can work other jobs, just not with other bands
That's super restrictive though. How could they in all honesty find work that allows them to tour at the calling of Dani.
QuoteDavy gets in comparison
I'd say he does ok. Merch and Royalties are his I would imagine. I'm sure the hired goons arrangement for writing is a similarly low ball affair. I'm gonna say he clears at least €150k a year, merch royalties, streaming, touring.
Randy Blythe claimed his income was $200,000 dollars during that trial in Prague just for reference. Also didn't Devin Townsend say that he makes about $60,000 a year. So 150k would be a good shout. Anyway, more puns are needed :abbath:
Lord Extortion
From the Cradle to No Pay
Contract torn asunder
Her P45 In The Post.
His voice is absolutely the worst thing about them, they're capable of putting out a few tunes but that screech is atrocious.
Better to reign in the dole queue.
Ah I still think the first four or so are classics
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2025, 12:25:32 PMQuoteIt does seem the band members can work other jobs, just not with other bands
That's super restrictive though. How could they in all honesty find work that allows them to tour at the calling of Dani.
I'd agree it's restrictive, but from his point of view replacing members or finding new members with approaching tour dates must be difficult and a stress. They'd see it better just restricting the contract and, if necessary, threaten there are enough talented and desperate musicians who would jump at the chance. I recall Hamish (I think his name was) from My Dying Bride was fired for something similar: he had already booked a tour with the Paradise Lost's guy's side project. I haven't really heard anything from him since, as per almost every ex-CoF member. Real race to the bottom stuff.
Yeah, Devin Townsend said he makes about that much although I recall the number being a bit higher - maybe 90K, therefore kinda middle class. He also said the money going through his company can fluctuate wildly, which would make sense, and that makes me curious on what bonuses (if any) CoF were giving their members. Davy implies we're not getting the full truth and these bonuses alluded to in the contract might be what he's talking about - I can't actually think of any other way he's comes out of this looking good.
The fact the guitarist said he doesn't want some song released implies to me he didn't sign a contract for that work.
Cruelty and the Breach
I'd guess given the turnover lil Dani has people in reserve at all times. Having someone be able to just fly in and play a whole set at zero notice seems so. I've paid zero attention to them for most of the last 30 years but even I know it's him and a bunch of hired hands.
Unconnected - Paul, was the person you refer to with the Jesus longsleeve Moggie?Remember going down to Cork for the first time when Iw as about 16 for a gig and it seemed like everyone down there had that longsleeve :laugh: I got the demos off either him or Quirkey
There's a few bits and bobs being thrown around. One of the bonuses is for paid meet and greets but there's a line in the contract that says it's "paid at managements discretion"
Dani won't look good out of it but I don't think he'll care. And although it's not right a lot of bands operate like this. Megadeth must surely be one, though I'd imagine the abuse is more and so is the pay.
Similar in a hundred people must've passed through the ranks there, can't all be assholes
Thirteen Autumns and a Widow's Pension
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 27, 2025, 12:24:35 PMQuote from: Barrytron on August 27, 2025, 12:19:14 PMNever understood the appeal, a cool song here and there but always felt like it was all about the tshirts. Cruelty had a lot of hype but I just thought it sounded like nonsense. I do like Dani's high screams though, always thought they would be class over some grind. Their cover of Hallowed be thy Name is great
Dusk is their pinnacle. Cruelty was disappointing in its wake. I remember thinking the production on Cruelty lacked the depth, lushness and Gothic atmosphere of Dusk; it seemed thinner and cheaper to me. And then the photo shoots with the lads at the beach and the dude surfing in the band photo on the inlay just killed the vibe.
There was a remix album from a few years ago which corrected the production issues. I was never a fan of the original mix but the new one is a huge improvement. It's called Cruelty and the Beast - Re-Mistressed
Grab the popcorn lads this one is publishing emails now on her Instagram. Didn't realise Dez Fafara was managing Cradle - makes sense kinda!
Sample quote
"She's Bi-Polar, fire her and her husband if he wants to hang onto a dead horse"
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 27, 2025, 01:54:06 PMI'd guess given the turnover lil Dani has people in reserve at all times. Having someone be able to just fly in and play a whole set at zero notice seems so. I've paid zero attention to them for most of the last 30 years but even I know it's him and a bunch of hired hands.
Unconnected - Paul, was the person you refer to with the Jesus longsleeve Moggie?Remember going down to Cork for the first time when Iw as about 16 for a gig and it seemed like everyone down there had that longsleeve :laugh: I got the demos off either him or Quirkey
My buddie at the time was Mossy, I cant recall a moggie from back then! (Quirky definitely will im sure).But lots of heads in Cork had Cof merch after the first album came out.In our group alone in Carrigaline 5/6 had Cof shirts!
Could be the same guy-glasses?
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2025, 04:32:58 PMGrab the popcorn lads this one is publishing emails now on her Instagram. Didn't realise Dez Fafara was managing Cradle - makes sense kinda!
Sample quote
"She's Bi-Polar, fire her and her husband if he wants to hang onto a dead horse"
He must be going loco over all this shit :laugh:
Quote from: Paul keohane on August 27, 2025, 04:45:04 PMQuote from: Pentagrimes on August 27, 2025, 01:54:06 PMI'd guess given the turnover lil Dani has people in reserve at all times. Having someone be able to just fly in and play a whole set at zero notice seems so. I've paid zero attention to them for most of the last 30 years but even I know it's him and a bunch of hired hands.
Unconnected - Paul, was the person you refer to with the Jesus longsleeve Moggie?Remember going down to Cork for the first time when Iw as about 16 for a gig and it seemed like everyone down there had that longsleeve :laugh: I got the demos off either him or Quirkey
My buddie at the time was Mossy, I cant recall a moggie from back then! (Quirky definitely will im sure).But lots of heads in Cork had Cof merch after the first album came out.In our group alone in Carrigaline 5/6 had Cof shirts!
I remember Moggy claw,he was a friend of Brian's and was a filth fan,I just missed out on the principle lp as he had sold most of his stuff but I did manage to pick up some rare LPs from him at the time as he started getting big into rave music.
He had a nice fuck your god longsleeve but he wouldn't part with it.
Quote from: The Butcher on August 27, 2025, 12:40:51 PMRandy Blythe claimed his income was $200,000 dollars during that trial in Prague just for reference. Also didn't Devin Townsend say that he makes about $60,000 a year. So 150k would be a good shout. Anyway, more puns are needed :abbath:
Fucking hell that is wild that Devin Townsend only gets 60k a year. Every now and then you get one of those eye-opening moments about just how little money there is for the artists bar the absolute top level acts. Even 200 grand seems miniscule for Randy Blythe. LoG are around that range of either being the biggest mid-level band or the smallest top tier band (in metal). I'd have thought he would be clearing a fair bit more given how big they were (are?) and how much press they get.
Quote from: Mooncat on August 27, 2025, 10:41:00 PMFucking hell that is wild that Devin Townsend only gets 60k a year.
Devin doesn't like touring much and I suspect he looks after the people he hires, far better than most. His own salary is effectively coming from profit.
Dino Cazeres in the mix now, couldn't make this up
Sarah Jezebel also coming out to talk about her experience (hint: it wasn't great).
"Too many fat girls in the band". I wonder of they said anything to Nick Barker about his weight?
Sarah has been making obtuse comments for years. Seems has been emboldened by this escapade
Quote from: jpm4 on August 27, 2025, 06:20:22 PMQuote from: Pagan Saviour on August 27, 2025, 04:32:58 PMGrab the popcorn lads this one is publishing emails now on her Instagram. Didn't realise Dez Fafara was managing Cradle - makes sense kinda!
Sample quote
"She's Bi-Polar, fire her and her husband if he wants to hang onto a dead horse"
He must be going loco over all this shit :laugh:
The real question is, does Dez drive the tour bus? We all know he has a license for a Big Truck.
Coal Chamber were managed by Sharon Osbourne, I imagine he learned a trick or two from her.
I didn't think it was Dez Farfara, I thought it may have been a nickname or something but it actually is that fuckin gimp :laugh:
Quote from: Carnage on August 28, 2025, 10:16:24 AMCoal Chamber were managed by Sharon Osbourne, I imagine he learned a trick or two from her.
As with most acts managed by her, they were cut loose from the deal after about a year or so. She had the Smashing Pumpkins at the same time.
Probably learned what not to do😂
Quote from: Polaris on August 28, 2025, 12:23:46 AMQuote from: Mooncat on August 27, 2025, 10:41:00 PMFucking hell that is wild that Devin Townsend only gets 60k a year.
Devin doesn't like touring much and I suspect he looks after the people he hires, far better than most. His own salary is effectively coming from profit.
Devin Townsend fucked Luke Kenny from the Berzerker around the Berzerker were suppose to do something through him but then ended up with Earache after the way Devin treated them.
Quote from: Polaris on August 28, 2025, 12:23:46 AMQuote from: Mooncat on August 27, 2025, 10:41:00 PMFucking hell that is wild that Devin Townsend only gets 60k a year.
Devin doesn't like touring much and I suspect he looks after the people he hires, far better than most. His own salary is effectively coming from profit.
I read an interview with him before when he was wrapping up the Devin Townsend Project, he gave a fairly big severance to the band and crew, and a bigger cut of the profits on the last tour. Everyone that's worked for him seems to only have good things to say
Happened to be in London Halloween time pre covid and they were playing Cruelty in full so had to head along I reckon as good as you could get from CoF in a live environment Schoolcraft and the spinny guitarist clearly a cut above what they left with recently.
Went to an indoor thing in the Netherlands since where they were on the bill must have being having a gander here and there on social in the build up I guess that my interactions led me to get a notification some Zoe has invited you to like their page.
Who? I go check it out and shes apparently the new girl on keys in CoF,okay.
She certainly used this to push her band Catalyst Crime if you want a laugh check out their material.
In CoF I suppose shes serviceable without leaving much of an impression this thing shes the lead singer doesn't have a strong vocal and on some songs is even appearing to channel Dani vocals.
Funny it was her page I first read the recent drama to flood in.
New contract displayed forbids side projects maybe the stumbling block that stung the most.
Her new husband Pinhead was in the band for over a decade he knew the craic.
Issues with work environment taking its toll and labelling abuse is one thing, blaming the loss of a child is quite a dazzler to be thrown at you I'm sure.
Looked up Spinny guitar chap see what hes up to since he must have left over similar, Richard Shaw his new gig is now with Inglorious given Nathan James strikes me as the classic rock version of Dani Filth I'd be curious if terms are miles better than Filth.
QuoteI worked for them at a one off festival. I was covering for one of their Sound Engineers," the source said. "I was told they could only pay £150 a day which I thought was very weird considering their status, the fact they were headlining the festival and amount of experience they had. The normal day rate of a Sound Engineer is between £300 and £450 depending on the job and experience.
"The monitor engineer was a very inexperienced young lad too, I was having to tell him what to do with the very poor equipment they had given me to use.
"The band were very lovely and easy to get along with, but you could sense there was a very different balance within the band.
"I feel like I needed to share this with you, it's not just the band that's being exploited, it's the crew too, all too often crew get exploited in the industry, but seeing Dani [Filth] going on expensive holidays around the world with his girlfriend whilst the others are locked into a contract not being able to work with other artists is absolutely horrific.
Having done a lot of work in that field, £150 for FOH sound engineer is a fucking joke.
Years ago (holy fuck - 24 years ago!) I lived in a shared house in Portobello for about 12 months after I finished college and got my first proper job in Dublin. I found the room after it was advertised in the back of the Herald or some other newspaper. It was a big old pile bricks, the rooms were massive - it had two sitting rooms and the rent - surprisingly affordable.
I was "interviewed" by 2 out of the 3 people who were already living in the gaff. Went through the usual chit-chat and they seemed satisfied that I probably wouldn't interfere with their underpants drawers or kill them in their sleep.
Moved into the gaff at the weekend, it was Easter Saturday, and both lads that I had already met told me they were heading off to their respective home-places for the bank holiday.
"Don't worry though - Leonard is hanging about, if you need to find anything he'll show you."
Leonard, I assumed, was the lad living in the 4th bedroom who I hadn't yet met.
I tipped away at getting my room set up and headed to the shop for supplies. When I was walking up the road toward the house on my return I could hear Deep Purple's "Stormbringer" clear as day.
After I had let myself into the gaff, I could hear it even clearer.
"RIDE THE RAINBOW! CRACK THE SKY! STORMBRINGER COMIN'! TIME TO DIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
It was fucking deafening but, I thought to myself, "Fair play to the lad, it's only 2 in the afternoon" and that we might have something in common music-wise even though I don't like Deep Purple all that much.
The tunes stopped after a bit so I thought I'd go up, knock on the lad's door and introduce myself.
"What?" came a voice from behind the door.
"Eh, is that Leonard? My name is Stout, I just moved in across the hall there. I said I'd say hello and..."
"Is Rebecca gone out of that room?"
"Eh... I don't know who that is."
"Right. OK. You're living here. I'm living here. Fuck off and leave me alone." and then, from behind the still locked door, side two of "Stormbringer" started.
I shrugged it off and went back to wandering around the house and garden - accompanied by the sonic efforts of Blackmore, Lord, Coverdale et al.
A while later the music stopped but there was still no sign of this Leonard guy coming out of his room. I decided to head out for a few pints so I went for a shower.
The sound of "Her Ghost In The Fog" suddenly ripped through the air even louder than the Deep Purple album. I didn't know the name of the song at the time but I (correctly) assumed it was CoF or at least someone like that. When the track finished, it immediately started again.
And again.
And again.
And a-fucking-gain.
By this point I was out of the shower, dressed and after smoking a cigarette while debating what to do - should I go and tell him to turn it down? On my first afternoon in the gaff? I put on music in my own room but I couldn't block out Tiny Dan(i)cer and his crew of hired hands. So I decided to just head out - no point in getting into a confrontation on my first day in new digs.
The song was still playing at full volume as I left.
Cut to about 0100hrs, I got home from the pub, fell into my new bed for the first time and caught a bus to the Land Of Nod. Some time later, "Her Ghost In The Fucking Fog" ripped me from the arms of Morpheus. I hopped out of the bed like Jackie Chan - Christ, I miss my 20s - and was across the hall hammering on this fucker, Leonard's, bedroom door.
"HEY! TURN THAT DOWN!"
The door suddenly flew open and I was face-to-face with a wild-eyed, pale, profusely sweating, rail thin, shirtless gentleman of about 30 wearing jet black Levis 501s and pointy Chelsea boots. There was a disgusting waft of cheap, Asha Boutique-style incense.
"What did you you say to me?!" he screamed.
"I said TURN IT FUCKIN' DOWN!" I roared back at him.
"Who the fuck are you?!" his eyes darting left to right, up and down the hall.
"TURN IT DOWN!"
"Fuck off!" and he slammed the door in my face - he did turn the music down though. But now I could hear him ranting inside his room.
"WHO the FUCK does HE think he IS?! Shouting at ME!" and then snarling "Hnnnnngh! ARRRRGH!"
I was genuinely afraid that this head-case was going to do something crazy so I put a chair in front of my door but the night passed off without further incident.
The next morning I was sitting on the front step of the house enjoying a cigarette and coffee in the Easter Sunday sunshine when I heard from behind me;
"Alright?" - it was Leonard, still in the jeans and pointy boots but now with a CoF long-sleeve on.
"Alight?" I offered back.
"About the tunes. I like listening to them loud, that's all."
"That's fine" I said "But it was about 3 in the morning"
"Was it? I rarely open the curtains."
"How come you played that one song over and over again?"
"Oh, 'Her Ghost In The Fog' from their record 'Midian'? I use that particular track to get psyched up before I go out on the piss and for when I'm ridin' women, yeah?"
"Shit. Did you have someone with you in your room last night?" suddenly feeling guilty for, to quote Joey The Lips Fagan, ruffling the lad's carnal savoir faire.
"No, why?" he asked, genuinely puzzled.
"Just... well it was the middle of the night and..."
"Ah. Nah, nah, nah... I've been coked off me game since Holy Thursday."
Haven't listened yet but Alan Averill weighs in: https://player.fm/series/agitators-anonymous-the-alan-averill-podcast/analysing-the-cradle-situation-and-what-is-the-job-of-a-session-musician
Fucking hell... can I be arsed listening to that? :laugh:
I don't think I've heard a decent AA pod. Ages since I checked him out. The covid era videos with the lad from gama bomb were alright, but solo on a pod didn't work for me.
On topic, I cannot fucking believe COF are still a thing. The mind boggles.
Gave it a listen, doesn't really offer anything revelatory basically a laborious way of defining what a session musician does and can expect to command Vs someone that contributes to writing
Lengthy reply from Dani on this now....fairly nasty although cloaked in reasonableness.
Yeah lots of things to absorb from that very long post. Who to believe?
The whole explanation of the contract makes no sense to me, the references to drunkeness and martial issues are not a good look for Dani.
He is digging himself a hole I think.
Ya, the contract thing is bollocks. From Sharon to Dez to Dani. Holy trinity of cunts.
https://youtu.be/hfionMmCGoU?si=SCjgXX31MrBH8Cih
I'm shocked that a band with one permanent, and around 40 former members, would try to rip off a musician.
Social media is the last place this should be playing out though. If you leave a band in the middle of tour because you're being fucked, and have a legitimate claim, then you go to a lawyer, not to Instagram.
I don't believe Dani's explanation of the new contract, which is contradictory: nobody his side looked at it before handing it out but also it was the foundation of a negotiation. Similarly, he's going to use the current drama (now that is has happened and it's public) to 'draw up a more elaborate contract that makes everyone feel protected'. This is also suspect, effectively, 'everybody has just received their publishing advance [presumably from an album released months ago]'.
Dani's references to yer wans alcoholism and suggestions of mental instability are possibly correct but this sentence is a bit undignified, which no doubt will prolong the drama: 'Also, no one knew anything about her pregnancy [and miscarriage] and if she was pregnant, why was she drinking at all?'
Spot on!
There's also screenshots of them being asked to sign the contract. He's full of shit. The band is a circus inside and out.
Getting super messy now, was already but we've begun the descent.....
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOEUv2Libxi/?igsh=NnJ3ZzhjaXVkOWNj
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:laugh:
Awesome! I'm hearing the tune with Dani screeches, blast beats, keys etc.
From yer wan, in part:
"We'd like to issue a statement in response to the most recent one by Dani Filth. We consider it a positive step.
We know your mother is battling cancer and we wish her well in this. As I recall I'm one of the first people in the band that you told. I've been praying for her ever since, and I condemn anyone who tries to drag her into this. [...]"
:laugh:
Never thought i would see a Me Too movement for shafted ex Cradle of Filth members :laugh:
He has another statement as well. He claims that their statements are causing his sick mother distress. All of these cunts really are the worst type of pathetic people.
Thought Dani was smart enough or his managers were to keep the gig shut and let the lawyers handle it.
Quote from: Polaris on September 02, 2025, 07:32:13 PMFrom yer wan, in part:
"We'd like to issue a statement in response to the most recent one by Dani Filth. We consider it a positive step.
We know your mother is battling cancer and we wish her well in this. As I recall I'm one of the first people in the band that you told. I've been praying for her ever since, and I condemn anyone who tries to drag her into this. [...]"
:laugh:
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"I would also like to mention my cat nibbles passed 9 months ago and it's the 9th anniversary of Nan."
I think everyone comes out of this looking like an absolute arsehole.
But then again, working for Cradle of Filth always ends one way for everyone but Danni so..
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Has to be a movie made about this ill fated tour at some point. One of the show's in Panama was cancelled due to "electrical issues" some gas craic online though. The promotor and Venue Accusing Dani and Co of looking for a "Paid holiday" whereas the band are adamant safety wasn't up to scratch and filmed a load of dodgy looking wiring which could've been from anywhere. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Never mind the new season of Stranger Things: there's a new season of Cradle Of Filth drama.
Now with a returning character from season one!
https://metalinjection.net/news/cradle-of-filths-dani-filth-associated-business-entities-management-sued-by-six-ex-members
Sounds like wank. They didn't give COF the right to use their image? Were they not in the band or something? Caught out in selfies that went viral on the Cradle Facebook page? I wonder are half of them bitter that their "brand" didn't sky-rocket after joining the revolving door of COF has-beens. Go fucking create something you worthless spastics!
I wonder what the best possible outcome could be here. Two grand each and a lifetime of looking like a capper?
Was just about to 100% agree with you until I seen Paul Allender's name on the list. Now that 100% drops to maybe 80%. Paul invested significant time and his songwriting talents are all over their classic records.......
I'd say they went through the entire roster of disgruntled employees.
"The lawsuit alleges a wide range of misconduct: unauthorized commercial use of the plaintiffs' likenesses, unpaid royalties for live performances and recorded works, misuse of Matheson's copyrighted sigils, disparaging statements about Federoff and Smerda, and unjust enrichment from Baxter's video appearances and from the plaintiffs' involvement in meet-and-greets."
If they didn't get paid the royalties agreed in their contract then that's easy enough to work out, you would imagine. The rest is pure piss. Member #3241's world famous sigils were used without her permission. Member #2176 was called a bad name. Member #4555 had to do a meet and greet and still hadn't hit 1000 followers on her Only Fans page. Fuck off you mental dim wits :laugh:
Yeah most of them no sympathy for. Hooers desperate to get into the game. Paul's situation must be different though.
Fuck em all. Dani Filth for Taoiseach!
"unauthorized commercial use of the plaintiffs' likenesses"
Ah but your Honor, sure they all look the same :laugh:
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Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 27, 2025, 10:27:06 AMFuck em all. Dani Filth for Taoiseach!
MAKE HAUNTED SHORES GREAT AGAIN!
Quote from: The Butcher on November 27, 2025, 11:14:22 AM"unauthorized commercial use of the plaintiffs' likenesses"
Ah but your Honor, sure they all look the same :laugh:
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Would be
Quote from: The Butcher on November 27, 2025, 11:14:22 AM"unauthorized commercial use of the plaintiffs' likenesses"
Ah but your Honor, sure they all look the same :laugh:
I imagine a Matlock type character in a battle vest "Y'HONOR MAH CLIENT WUS SHOCKED TO THE CORE OF HIS NEW ROCK BOOTS WHEN ACCUSED OF SUCH LIES"