https://blabbermouth.net/news/sepultura-announces-farewell-tour-to-mark-bands-40th-anniversary
Very sad to see this. I know there's a lot of people in the No Max, No Sepultura camp but for me they've been one of the most consistent bands there is. Quadra was such a career highlight and I think they have remained one of the best live bands there is.
They'll go off and do something else for a couple of years before we see the proper reunion. No great loss (the Green era stuff is generally mediocre IMO) and sure the Cavalera boys are effectively the Sepultura most people want to see anyway.
They are playing Dublin and Belfast the 9th and 10th of November with Obituary supporting. It hasn't been Sepultura for almost 3 decades now anyway.
Shit buzz. Big fan of the Greene era, after an admittedly ropey start. One of the very few bands from that era who remained innovative and interesting. I genuinely hope they don't cash-in in a few years with Max, who's been pedalling shite for a lot longer than he was ever good. Quadra is a fucking beast of an album to sign off with.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 08, 2023, 04:31:29 PMShit buzz. Big fan of the Green era, after an admittedly ropey start. One of the very few bands from that era who remained innovative and interesting. I genuinely hope they don't cash-in in a few years with Max, who's been pedalling shite for a lot longer than he was ever good. Quadra is a fucking beast of an album to sign off with.
Yeah, their output since Dante had been great, and then really kicked it up a notch with Casagrande joining
I couldn't give a fuck about a reunion with Max, he's basically made a career out of joining up with superior guitarists and trying to take the credit. Left to his own he ended up with the shite of the first few Soulfly albums and Roots, and didn't start to improve until Rizzo came in. Plus he's a lazy cunt live, so any hypothetical reunion would rely on Kisser to carry him
Soulfly remain the only band that I've managed to see for free and still manage to feel ripped off! Seeing someone who resembles the trash heap from Fraggle Rock play air guitar above his real guitar was such a low point. Knowing he once played on Beneath The Remains and Arise made it even worse.
Sepultura on the other hand have played immense gigs in recent years and the latest lineup boasts the best drummer in metal today. They weren't a nostalgia act either and had such quality material on the later albums.
There won't be a reunion of the 'classic' lineup, it wouldn't work the way it did originally and would probably be a mess (personally and professionally). As for the Derrick Green era it went on surprisingly long so kudos there, liked 'Dante' but haven't really investigated further.
Any reason why they're calling it a day? When you see older bands are just coming up to an end, you'd think these guys could get a bit more milage.
The very last show in Brazil has bound to have the Caverlas at it, surely?
Quote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 08, 2023, 05:04:50 PMThe very last show in Brazil has bound to have the Caverlas at it, surely?
With all the bad blood? Doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if ten minutes after that show ends, Max announces the following Cavalera tour will be renamed as a Sepultura tour.
I'm sure they can put things aside long enough if the dough is good enough ::)
Apparently they've been offered some pretty lucrative reunion gigs before and turned them down. I can't see it ever happening, especially with Max's headcase of a wife around
There'll be no reunion with these lads. As many have pointed out, Max is a fucking joke. Soulfly easily one of the worst bands I've ever witnessed live.
They've never quite put out a classic post departure of Max but they've made some incredible and challenging music since then. Some great records in the mix there,Dante, Quadra, Mediator and even A-Lex has become a favourite, I think they just need more time to digest. Such a tight band live too!
Interesting point re the brothers reclaiming the name. I could well see that happening.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 08, 2023, 04:31:29 PMShit buzz. Big fan of the Green era, after an admittedly ropey start. One of the very few bands from that era who remained innovative and interesting. I genuinely hope they don't cash-in in a few years with Max, who's been pedalling shite for a lot longer than he was ever good. Quadra is a fucking beast of an album to sign off with.
I don't get this ropey start thing at all. Against is my favourite of the
Greene stuff. Now i did see a reissue of Against lately in golden discs and the flash said something like "The Classic Debut" and i thought that was a bit much given the fact it doesn't seem to be generally regarded at all. The next couple were not great actually tbf, Roorback being particularly poor.
A-Lex is decent and Dante as well. Haven't kept up with the later stuff really though.
Wonder what Greene will get up to next, he's a good vocalist to be fair to him
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on December 08, 2023, 06:04:39 PMQuote from: Kunt 4 Life on December 08, 2023, 05:04:50 PMThe very last show in Brazil has bound to have the Caverlas at it, surely?
With all the bad blood? Doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised if ten minutes after that show ends, Max announces the following Cavalera tour will be renamed as a Sepultura tour.
I wouldn't see that happening at all re the brothers turning up for the final show but the name thing is surely a strong possibility. Of course they'd be awful but look at Pantera, there's still going to be interest for gigs
Quote from: astfgyl on December 08, 2023, 08:08:01 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on December 08, 2023, 04:31:29 PMShit buzz. Big fan of the Green era, after an admittedly ropey start. One of the very few bands from that era who remained innovative and interesting. I genuinely hope they don't cash-in in a few years with Max, who's been pedalling shite for a lot longer than he was ever good. Quadra is a fucking beast of an album to sign off with.
I don't get this ropey start thing at all. Against is my favourite of the
Greene stuff. Now i did see a reissue of Against lately in golden discs and the flash said something like "The Classic Debut" and i thought that was a bit much given the fact it doesn't seem to be generally regarded at all. The next couple were not great actually tbf, Roorback being particularly poor.
A-Lex is decent and Dante as well. Haven't kept up with the later stuff really though.
Wonder what Greene will get up to next, he's a good vocalist to be fair to him
Against was ok, at best, Nation was weak, though. From Roorback on, it's been gold as far as I'm concerned. Dante, A-Lex and Qaudra are the pick of the bunch and what's inbetween is always enjoyable to listen to. Derrick''s voice has been fairly scratchy on any of the live stuff I've heard recently. He might be reaching the end of the road of doing the shouty stuff. His singing voice is fucking cool, though, shame they didn't utilise it more.
Don't think they could just start using the name again, the band would surely have some sort of trademark to it. There'd have to be some sort of agreement like happened with Fear Factory and that took years of messy court cases to sort out
I could never get into the Greene era stuff. I decided to check out their last album as there was high praise for it at the time of its release, but it didn't leave much of an impression on me.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 08, 2023, 08:47:03 PMQuote from: astfgyl on December 08, 2023, 08:08:01 PMQuote from: Bürggermeister on December 08, 2023, 04:31:29 PMShit buzz. Big fan of the Green era, after an admittedly ropey start. One of the very few bands from that era who remained innovative and interesting. I genuinely hope they don't cash-in in a few years with Max, who's been pedalling shite for a lot longer than he was ever good. Quadra is a fucking beast of an album to sign off with.
I don't get this ropey start thing at all. Against is my favourite of the
Greene stuff. Now i did see a reissue of Against lately in golden discs and the flash said something like "The Classic Debut" and i thought that was a bit much given the fact it doesn't seem to be generally regarded at all. The next couple were not great actually tbf, Roorback being particularly poor.
A-Lex is decent and Dante as well. Haven't kept up with the later stuff really though.
Wonder what Greene will get up to next, he's a good vocalist to be fair to him
Against was ok, at best, Nation was weak, though. From Roorback on, it's been gold as far as I'm concerned. Dante, A-Lex and Qaudra are the pick of the bunch and what's inbetween is always enjoyable to listen to. Derrick''s voice has been fairly scratchy on any of the live stuff I've heard recently. He might be reaching the end of the road of doing the shouty stuff. His singing voice is fucking cool, though, shame they didn't utilise it more.
Kairos and Machine Messiah are crackers too. I was slow to appreciate Machine Messiah but it's quality. Their gig supporting it in the Tivoli was something else too.
Sad to see, but they've earned it.
Honestly feel like the Greene era is just as potent as the Max era - considering the common denominator (Kisser), it's no real mystery where the creative juices of Seps lie.
And fuck it, Casagrande is a better drummer than Igor.
Max would love to see a reunion but I doubt if the other side has any interest. Like Pantera though if they never split then surely they would be absolutely huge or even one of the biggest bands in metal. They did successfully manage to navigate the 90s by not making another BTR but with Roots then maybe went to far. From the later period I really only know Alex which I thought was pretty good but its ages since I listened to it.
Lets not kid ourselves,if the old line up reunited for a tour we'd all be there with bells and whistles!
I never gave a fuck about band politics when theres a split in the camp.Theres always cunts at the heart of these things.
But i honestly wouldn't give two fuckes when they are up on stage belting out tracks off BTR and Arise etc.
Its was like Death to all thing,fellas crying becsuse it was other menbers cashing in on Chucks legacy!.Honestly I couldn't care less if all involved are having a blast,including myself on a nostalgia trip in the crowd.
Quote from: Paul keohane on December 11, 2023, 08:08:13 AMLets not kid ourselves,if the old line up reunited for a tour we'd all be there with bells and whistles!
This is accurate. Although some lads who went to great pains to see Pantera MK 2 wouldn't have been at all bothered if they had been together all along.
Quote from: Paul keohane on December 11, 2023, 08:08:13 AMLets not kid ourselves,if the old line up reunited for a tour we'd all be there with bells and whistles!
The Cavalera Beneath the remains / Arise shows and the current shows playing Morbid and Bestial are getting great reviews. I would take those any day over this Sepultura tribute act.
Quotewould take those any day over this Sepultura tribute act.
:laugh:
The cavleras are probably writing the reviews themselves
Are the Cavaleras coming here I wonder?
Seen someone ask Max's wife if they would show up at the last show. She said no, then started rambling about they believe in looking to the future, not the past. Naturally enough, next question was if that's the case, why are they doing all the Morbid Visions etc stuff then? :laugh:
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Scarlet for her! :laugh: :laugh: :abbath:
For me Sepulturas peak was Beneath the Remains and Arise, would listen to Chaos AD occasionally, it was almost like their Black album, everything after I struggle with especially Roots.
Speaking of Gloria, if you've ever read her blog it does give currency to Kisser/Xisto's version of events that she was ruining the band.
QuoteGood morning my Students, people of the tribe, people of the world... Did you know that a terrorist called me on the early morning of 9/11, two hours before the attack on the Word Trade Center? No, you didn't. Did you know that your's truly is in possession of a voicemail message from 9/11 that is equivalent to the Zapruder tape of JFK's assassination? No, you didn't. Why? Because the FBI, the 9/11 Commission, The Washington Post, CNN, and everyone else in control of our information decided to bury it. I have carried this ever since that dreadful morning in 2001 and I will not suppress it anymore. People need the information...
I wake up early, before 6:00 am every day, but on September 11th of 2001, it was a morning I could never forget. I went into my office and I saw the light blinking on the caller ID- strange for a call to come in the middle of the night, but I could see that a couple did- a pizza place in New Jersey. Weird.
I went outside a grabbed the newspaper noticing Michaels Jordan's face in the corner. It was an article about a press conference scheduled for that day. Going back in the house, the phone rang in the kitchen. It was my mother calling bright and early, "Turn on CNN Gloria." I asked, "Why?" - "Turn it on honey." Click. She hung up.
The shock filled me as I saw the tower in flames, the smoke billowing. Running through the house, I woke everybody up and went to the TV. Before our eyes a second plane struck the second tower.
A few hours later, I went to the office and checked my messages. A scary, creepy messaged slithered in my ear. WTF? This can't be. The caller was slow, rehearsed, a message of unbelievable proportions. Although I didn't realize it at the time, it told a three-part story of wicked betrayal of the American people's trust. It told the past, the present and the future of our world. A prophecy with a chilling message is there, taking residence in my voicemail.
I went to a pay phone at the Safeway near my house and dialed the FBI hotline number that was on the CNN ticker at the bottom of the screen. A woman told me to preserve everything about the phone call and that somebody would come by to check it out.
I preserved. I waited. I waited. I called. I waited, I called, I called...And called...and called...Many things happened on my end as I tried to get this information to someone. I recorded the call and put it on a CD. I then did what any good manager would do; I asked our booking agent to book a tour for Soulfly to New York City and to New Jersey. This gave birth to the Static X/ Soufly US Tour in 2002.
:laugh:
Sounds legit
Remember reading that before, mental stuff. A couple of the old Soulfly members have been fairly scathing about their treatment by the Cavaleras too while they werein the band, I can't see Kisser having any interest in a reunion if she's involved
Gloria is like Sharon Osbourne without the soap
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Quote from: Don Gately on December 12, 2023, 08:09:42 AMFor me Sepulturas peak was Beneath the Remains and Arise, would listen to Chaos AD occasionally, it was almost like their Black album, everything after I struggle with especially Roots.
For classic Seps... this is indeed true.
But post-Max Seps is a totally different animal, but equally as good in their own right.
People just need to accept them as two different bands. They just have the same name and a shared history.
Two or three patchy albums, but most are absolute belters.
I will revisit, I have a few cds that I never played much. Which is best of post Max album
I think Dante......
Quote from: Don Gately on December 12, 2023, 01:14:15 PMI will revisit, I have a few cds that I never played much. Which is best of post Max album
Quadra
Against. :abbath:
Quote from: Don Gately on December 12, 2023, 08:09:42 AMFor me Sepulturas peak was Beneath the Remains and Arise, would listen to Chaos AD occasionally, it was almost like their Black album, everything after I struggle with especially Roots.
pretty much the same for me!
Roots is a hard slog. Can't really abide it either. Cheers Ross Robinson for that.
Roorback from the Greene era is also another one I can't be dealing with at all.
Against is the only post Max album I listened to start to finish, couldn't get through any of the rest. It's OK but as someone else said they were already a different band by then, and not one that was for me. Soulfly were pretty shite too, especially the early stuff.
Has anyone listened to Go Ahead And Die at all, they seem to be a heavier prospect?
Soulfly are awful awful tripe. What's Go Ahead And Die? Never heard of it at all
Max, one of his sons and another lad. Just listened to a minute or so of this, sounded alright but I'm fully aware that it's likely to get shit fairly quickly:
https://youtu.be/ftIVjR6CmDY?si=bGdWJuJyc-25kmAw
Just listening to Scizophrenia now. Forgot how much I loved this album as a teen. Had it on cassette with Morbid visions and bestial dev. I'm the other side. Never really listened to tho
Quote from: astfgyl on December 12, 2023, 06:24:53 PMRoorback from the Greene era is also another one I can't be dealing with at all.
Roorback was the only one I half liked use to really like that apes of god song. I use to have the first 4 Greene albums on CD. Against had one or two good songs, Nation was complete and utter shit and the one after Roorback with the orange cover was what finished the band for me.
I went to the show last year to see Crowbar and tried to listen to some of the Greene stuff in the weeks leading up to it but didn't like anything. I left that gig after Crowbar finished.
I liked some of the early Soulfly material as a teenager but I couldn't stomach them these days. I did see Soulfly doing the Nailbomb album in full twice a few years ago and that was really good.
I loved the Nailbomb album back when it came out but it has aged pretty badly.
It's still good to put on once in a while. I played it to death back in the day. But yes, it sounds really old at this stage. And not in the good way.
Quote from: Carnage on December 12, 2023, 09:07:35 PMMax, one of his sons and another lad. Just listened to a minute or so of this, sounded alright but I'm fully aware that it's likely to get shit fairly quickly:
https://youtu.be/ftIVjR6CmDY?si=bGdWJuJyc-25kmAw
Threw on about 10 minutes of it last night. It's actually fairly good craic
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 13, 2023, 03:47:27 AMI loved the Nailbomb album back when it came out but it has aged pretty badly.
About once a year I'd throw that on and still enjoy it
Nailbomb was hit & miss alright, Wasting Away and Blind And Lost were good enough. The live album was a bit pointless, though the DVD version was good craic I suppose.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on December 12, 2023, 08:10:38 AMSpeaking of Gloria, if you've ever read her blog it does give currency to Kisser/Xisto's version of events that she was ruining the band.
QuoteGood morning my Students, people of the tribe, people of the world... Did you know that a terrorist called me on the early morning of 9/11, two hours before the attack on the Word Trade Center? No, you didn't. Did you know that your's truly is in possession of a voicemail message from 9/11 that is equivalent to the Zapruder tape of JFK's assassination? No, you didn't. Why? Because the FBI, the 9/11 Commission, The Washington Post, CNN, and everyone else in control of our information decided to bury it. I have carried this ever since that dreadful morning in 2001 and I will not suppress it anymore. People need the information...
...It told the past, the present and the future of our world. A prophecy with a chilling message is there, taking residence in my voicemail.
...I tried to get this information to someone. I recorded the call and put it on a CD. I then did what any good manager would do; I asked our booking agent to book a tour for Soulfly to New York City and to New Jersey. This gave birth to the Static X/ Soufly US Tour in 2002.
:laugh: Did she happen upon a copy of Pestilence's "Testamony of the Ancients" I wonder? I see the future, I see the past. I reckon that's what's on the CD anyway if it exists.
And yet despite all that about getting the truth out there, she hasn't shared her recording I imagine.
How she jumps from all that to making a tour booking as a "good manager" is baffling. And nothing aired on that tour either I'd wager...
She sounds mad as a brush.
I got a message from a terrorist and they told me the past and the future. I think you got a call from Mystic Meg, you complete Muppet.
Fuck Sepultura were such an exiting band when they broke here. Most of the other big bands had been in existence when I got into metal in 85. But Sepultura really came out of nowhere, I still remember that headbangers ball footage of the Scottish lad saying they were the "heaviest trashiest band on the planet'from their Marquee gig iirc. Beneath the Remains is top 5 of all time albums for me. The dry production, the lyrics, weird but brilliant. I met them outside the SFX on the Arise tour, share a beer from the tourbus, memories.
If ye want a good laugh, this is how Metal Hammer ranked their albums:
https://www.loudersound.com/features/every-sepultura-album-ranked-from-worst-to-best?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2x0hVkQPrxqzncj08l-M7iPiNdNkyAxTv_B0iOWuDbICic--l9CV4xU0E
How would you rank the them top 5 out of interest
The fact that Roots both then and now receives such praise is surely one of the greatest mysteries of our time. Sepultura sold magazines, so I got the 5K review in Kerrang or whatever ragball publication at the time but don't understand the continued praise it receives from those quarters. It's a turd of an album and a complete chore to get through.
The same thing happened with St Anger, critics that needed that record to keep themselves in a job found all sorts of angles that even Pythagoras was not aware of to award it a 5 star review. But at least sense was restored in subsequent years and those critics had the decency to deny ever lavishing it with such praise.
1. Arise
2. Beneath The Remains
3. Schizophrenia
I don't really bother with them after that. I have Chaos A.D. and Roots but haven't listened to either in 15-20 years. Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions are beyond shite and as I said earlier, I find the Green era stuff to be mediocre. A few songs here and there but I can't be bothered with them.
"Adam has been writing for Hammer since 2007"
Top 5 would probably be this, with the top two changing depending on my mood
1. Arise
2. Beneath the Remains
3. Quadra
4. Schizophrenia
5. Dante
Quote from: Carnage on December 13, 2023, 11:39:29 AMIf ye want a good laugh, this is how Metal Hammer ranked their albums:
https://www.loudersound.com/features/every-sepultura-album-ranked-from-worst-to-best?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2x0hVkQPrxqzncj08l-M7iPiNdNkyAxTv_B0iOWuDbICic--l9CV4xU0E
Chaos AD in the right place at least but Roots can fuck off to the bottom. And A-Lex is decent too, better than nation anyway.
I don't get Chaos A.D. being so highly regarded TBH. It's alright, but it's been decades since I made it all the way through it. You could probably get an album's worth of quality between that and Roots, but it'd be a short album.
I thought Chaos A.D. was their best album when I was 13. I was wrong, they should have stopped after Arise instead of pissing about writing half-arsed tunes with Evan Seinfeld and Jello Biafra.
Don't go dragging Biohazard down now...
Quote from: Carnage on December 13, 2023, 11:39:29 AMIf ye want a good laugh, this is how Metal Hammer ranked their albums:
https://www.loudersound.com/features/every-sepultura-album-ranked-from-worst-to-best?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=metal-hammer&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2x0hVkQPrxqzncj08l-M7iPiNdNkyAxTv_B0iOWuDbICic--l9CV4xU0E
What is it with all these spasticated Metal Hammer writers popping up with these kind of takes lately? It's like reading Kerrang in the early-mid 90s all over again.
I threw Chaos AD on today and listened to it through for the first time in years. It's better than I remember it. Some really good stuff on there. Doesn't have the nuance or depth of Beneath the Remains but it's certainly top 5 Sepultura . Roots as mentioned is a shambles.
Chaos AD was huge for me when it came out. It felt at the time like a step into heavier, darker stuff, which it was as I was soon getting into Deicide and Obituary. Seems a bit funny now looking back as it was a simplification and slight commercialisation of their style, but at 11 years old it was immense. I haven't listened to it in many a year though, and my tape ran away on me over two decades ago.
Chaos AD is still class, although a step down from its predecessors.
Roots on the other hand... Jesus I never got the love for it and in 1996 every metal magazine was writing about it like it was some kind of second coming. Thankfully all the shite aspects of Roots flew over to camp Soulfly and within an album or 2, Andreas showed who the real talent was (although in his day, Max was an unreal frontman and vocalist. He really lost his way for whatever reason by the mid 90s).
Gonna give one of the Greene era albums a go after reading all this. I haven't put Chaos on in absolutely ages, and as Carnage I think said, I don't think I listened the whole way through last time. Still listen to Schizophrenia through to Arise regularly though.
Arise was that album for me. Seps were huge for me back then. I was late teens for them breaking and it was a classic case of 'my' band. the Big Four had'broke' just before then but Seps were there when I came of age walking those dirty streets of Monaghan, perfectly placed to encapsulate my ire and teenage sense of otherness. First Dublin gig, ever was them in the SFX touring Arise, still remember the feeling of the heat, the sweat , those guys from the magazine's right there on stage, tearing the Metal world a new one. They were massive. Just peaking. Gods to the godless. It felt like Dublin was at their mercy that night.
But times move on. We've been through the bonga drums and trash heap Max and I've bought the Greene albums but always seen them as a whole other entity to the band that most defined my teens.
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But just to clarify BTR is undoubtedly their masterpiece.
Also the thread on here about intros to songs, the segue between Beneath The Remains to Inner Self is gold.
Always thought ´Chaos AD´ was kind of.. boring, even when I heard it back then, parts of it are good but mostly it just lumbers along. I think I moved on from Sepultura around the time of that release. Not a criticism just opinion as quite a lot of people seem to hold 'Chaos AD' in high regard.
Hmmm, would never call it boring myself, but yeah, preference is for the previous two, so fucking huge back then though, I'd still throw an 8/10 at it.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 13, 2023, 10:19:59 PMGonna give one of the Greene era albums a go after reading all this.
Gave Quadra a listen there. The modern sound is a put off, but it was interesting in places at least. Will prob listen again, but it's certainly not anything similar to anything by classic line-up alright.
That is the beauty of Sepultura, they moved on with every album. Quadra definitely doesn't sound like the old lineup but, then again, it doesn't sound like Mediator, either. Each album is it's own thing and they move on. They're with, probably, only Voivod who managed to go for so long and never get stuck in a creative rut while keeping it quality. That they don't sound like the old lineup is very intentional but, to my ears at least, there's still a very definite audio signature going back to the early stuff which is theirs alone.
Bit of a coincidence they announce their breakup just after the Cavalera brothers released the re-recorded Morbid Visions/ Bestial Devastation isn't it?
QuoteBit of a coincidence they announce their breakup just after the Cavalera brothers released the re-recorded Morbid Visions/ Bestial Devastation isn't it?
To be honest I think it is a coincidence - really don't think Kisser and co give a fuck what those lads are doing. I'd guess maybe it's more to do with the fact Kisser's wife passed away recently enough.
I'd say it'd be more of a coincidence with Weinberg getting turfed out of Slipknot, I'd be surprised if they weren't fishing for Eloy, he's a huge fan of theirs.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on December 14, 2023, 02:27:09 PMQuoteBit of a coincidence they announce their breakup just after the Cavalera brothers released the re-recorded Morbid Visions/ Bestial Devastation isn't it?
To be honest I think it is a coincidence - really don't think Kisser and co give a fuck what those lads are doing. I'd guess maybe it's more to do with the fact Kisser's wife passed away recently enough.
Ah, right. I didn't know that.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 14, 2023, 06:21:54 AMThat is the beauty of Sepultura, they moved on with every album. Quadra definitely doesn't sound like the old lineup but, then again, it doesn't sound like Mediator, either. Each album is it's own thing and they move on. They're with, probably, only Voivod who managed to go for so long and never get stuck in a creative rut while keeping it quality. That they don't sound like the old lineup is very intentional but, to my ears at least, there's still a very definite audio signature going back to the early stuff which is theirs alone.
So which one should I give a go to next, after Quadra? Really don't know any of the Greene-era stuff. Heard tracks, tried a couple albums, but never went in.
Dante (the last to feature Igor) and A-Lex are really good. Machine Messiah is worth the effort also.
Yeah, what he said. Dante is class, quite experimental. I was a bit disappointed when they dropped the French horn and cello on the next album, I thought it was really a interesting sound they might have taken further.
Kairos is generally quite popular, it might be worth a go. I think Dante, Quadra and A-Lex are better, personally, but enough people praise it highly.
Kairos is, to my ears, the Greene era equivalent to Chaos AD. It's more straightforward than it's predecessors but has some great songs. It's major downfall is that it's a little samey.
Mask is a great song.
I'd echo the rest with Dante and Quadra being the pick of the Greene era, I'd have Machine Messiah and Kairos just slightly behind them. A-Lex was really good but took a long time to get into it, definitely more of a grower than the other stuff
Mediator wasn't too bad, but nearly felt a bit like leftovers from the other albums
Ross Robinson producing Mediator is what ruined it.
Listened to Dante and (most of) A-lex last night. Enjoyed both, possibly more than Quadra. Might rotate through all the ones recommended here over the next few days. I definitely checked out some stuff from Mediator after watching that now famous video of Marthyn Jovanovic reacting to Eloy's drumming on Manipulation of Tragedy. I don't even remember the experience, so all I can infer is that it didn't grab me!
Am I the only one who notices Greene pronouncing "R"s as "L"s?
Also, Jason Newsteads vocals on Against are hilarious
Also every time I see the thread title, I wonder which day they're calling so I can have the gaff tidied up
Quote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2023, 05:50:51 PMAlso every time I see the thread title, I wonder which day they're calling so I can have the gaff tidied up
Only copped that now :laugh:
Fixed for you!
Thanks, that was driving me nuts! :laugh:
Quote from: The Great Cull on December 15, 2023, 05:54:58 PMQuote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2023, 05:50:51 PMAlso every time I see the thread title, I wonder which day they're calling so I can have the gaff tidied up
Only copped that now :laugh:
Fixed for you!
Aah should've left it :laugh:
Went on a bit of a Sepultura buzz since this thread went up, been going through all the albums again. Morbid/Bestial... has a crude charm but is still largely unlistenable. Scizophrenia is a massive progression. Beneath The Remains, though, is the peak of the Max stuff, still fucking monumental, closely followed by Arise. Chaos AD is half-banger, half-filler. Roots, title track aside, is a fucking chore, terrible plodding and directionless shite altogether.
Of the Greene era, Against has a lot of the problems of Roots but is listenable. Nation is not great at all. I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as bad as Roots but it's still fairly crap. Roorback is a massive step in the right direction. Dante, I just fucking love. It took a while for A-Lex to click, as it was such a departure from Dante, but when it did, yeah still rate it very highly. Kairos, not so much but it's ok. Mediator sounds like it could have been something good but it tends to go in one ear and out the other. Machine Messiah and Quadra are two parts of the same thing, in my mind. Quadra, is stronger, though the song Machine Messiah is one of the best things they ever put out, but we'll see how it ages.
As for post-Sep Max, Soulfly are/were fucking dreadful from the start, whoever thought someone could make a career regurgitating fucking Roots, quickly lost interest. I remember the first Cavalera thing with Iggor album getting a rave review on MI but it sounded fairly mediocre to me. Didn't hear the rest of the stuff under that name, I think there were another one or two albums? The only thing which he has done of interest in the last couple of decades are his "chug an early Celtic Frost riff and shout" cameos on the two Killer Be Killed albums.
May there never be a reunion!
Quote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2023, 06:10:43 PMQuote from: The Great Cull on December 15, 2023, 05:54:58 PMQuote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2023, 05:50:51 PMAlso every time I see the thread title, I wonder which day they're calling so I can have the gaff tidied up
Only copped that now :laugh:
Fixed for you!
Aah should've left it :laugh:
There was one time where some of Sepultura DID come for tea!
https://youtu.be/0A_jzTZCRQE?si=jTIdzXHqjFh5FWMw
He ended up in a pub I usually go to too and what's worse, I was actually in Mullingar that evening and decided not to go for a pint there.
Quote from: The Great Cull on December 15, 2023, 07:45:01 PMQuote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2023, 06:10:43 PMQuote from: The Great Cull on December 15, 2023, 05:54:58 PMQuote from: astfgyl on December 15, 2023, 05:50:51 PMAlso every time I see the thread title, I wonder which day they're calling so I can have the gaff tidied up
Only copped that now :laugh:
Fixed for you!
Aah should've left it :laugh:
There was one time where some of Sepultura DID come for tea!
https://youtu.be/0A_jzTZCRQE?si=jTIdzXHqjFh5FWMw
He ended up in a pub I usually go to too and what's worse, I was actually in Mullingar that evening and decided not to go for a pint there.
What the actual fuck!
2 thoughts..
1st. Tanya would get it big time. Well not from me because I'm a married man but someone should.
2nd. What the actual fuck :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Who is Tanya?
Quote from: Eoin McLove on December 15, 2023, 08:22:53 PMWho is Tanya?
Bassist from Mullingar. Has played with Dee Snider, Steven Adler, Whitesnake and is currently touring with Bruce Dickinson. She seems to be doing well as a session player.
Baffled me as well, never heard of her. I thought it was Ricky Warwick's wife from way back when.
Quote from: The Great Cull on December 15, 2023, 08:27:05 PMQuote from: Eoin McLove on December 15, 2023, 08:22:53 PMWho is Tanya?
Bassist from Mullingar. Has played with Dee Snider, Steven Adler, Whitesnake and is currently touring with Bruce Dickinson. She seems to be doing well as a session player.
This is a mad thing really isn't it.
The unlikeliness of that Greene combo
It really is, where the fuck did this come out of?!
They do some kind of vegan podcast together. Obviously became friends over a piece of tofu and some chick peas.
Yeah it must have been the chick peas
I know. I'm a philistine.
Was actually on the clonakilty pudding tour over the summer. Amazing the things they can do with the blood sausage.
I'll show myself out. I'll be in the foyer with Roy chubby brown and the lad off bullseye if any of ye are looking for me
Quote from: Thorn on December 15, 2023, 08:56:20 PMBaffled me as well, never heard of her. I thought it was Ricky Warwick's wife from way back when.
That was the rock goddess that was Vanessa Warwick, she launched many a Manboat in the glorious '90s.
Sadly quickly turned into a chav hoor, hoop earrings an' all and went into real estate. Was riding someone from one of the various incarnations of Venom until he was done for drink driving.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on December 15, 2023, 07:15:29 PMWent on a bit of a Sepultura buzz since this thread went up, been going through all the albums again. Morbid/Bestial... has a crude charm but is still largely unlistenable. Scizophrenia is a massive progression. Beneath The Remains, though, is the peak of the Max stuff, still fucking monumental, closely followed by Arise. Chaos AD is half-banger, half-filler. Roots, title track aside, is a fucking chore, terrible plodding and directionless shite altogether.
Of the Greene era, Against has a lot of the problems of Roots but is listenable. Nation is not great at all. I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as bad as Roots but it's still fairly crap. Roorback is a massive step in the right direction. Dante, I just fucking love. It took a while for A-Lex to click, as it was such a departure from Dante, but when it did, yeah still rate it very highly. Kairos, not so much but it's ok. Mediator sounds like it could have been something good but it tends to go in one ear and out the other. Machine Messiah and Quadra are two parts of the same thing, in my mind. Quadra, is stronger, though the song Machine Messiah is one of the best things they ever put out, but we'll see how it ages.
As for post-Sep Max, Soulfly are/were fucking dreadful from the start, whoever thought someone could make a career regurgitating fucking Roots, quickly lost interest. I remember the first Cavalera thing with Iggor album getting a rave review on MI but it sounded fairly mediocre to me. Didn't hear the rest of the stuff under that name, I think there were another one or two albums? The only thing which he has done of interest in the last couple of decades are his "chug an early Celtic Frost riff and shout" cameos on the two Killer Be Killed albums.
May there never be a reunion!
on a bit a Green Sepultura buzz as I admittedly clocked out with them after A-lex. I was a big fan of Roorback when it was released and seen them in temple bar. Managed to meet Derek Green before the show which was cool as a 16/17 year old lad. I listened to Quadra last night and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. On to the other albums now I'm not familiar with. There's two decent documentaries on the making of their last two albums on YouTube I discovered too for anyone interested
Quote from: Carnage on December 16, 2023, 01:49:30 AMQuote from: Thorn on December 15, 2023, 08:56:20 PMBaffled me as well, never heard of her. I thought it was Ricky Warwick's wife from way back when.
That was the rock goddess that was Vanessa Warwick, she launched many a Manboat in the glorious '90s.
Sadly quickly turned into a chav hoor, hoop earrings an' all and went into real estate. Was riding someone from one of the various incarnations of Venom until he was done for drink driving.
Quote from: Carnage on December 16, 2023, 01:49:30 AMQuote from: Thorn on December 15, 2023, 08:56:20 PMBaffled me as well, never heard of her. I thought it was Ricky Warwick's wife from way back when.
That was the rock goddess that was Vanessa Warwick, she launched many a Manboat in the glorious '90s.
Sadly quickly turned into a chav hoor, hoop earrings an' all and went into real estate. Was riding someone from one of the various incarnations of Venom until he was done for drink driving.
Quote from: Carnage on December 16, 2023, 01:49:30 AMQuote from: Thorn on December 15, 2023, 08:56:20 PMBaffled me as well, never heard of her. I thought it was Ricky Warwick's wife from way back when.
That was the rock goddess that was Vanessa Warwick, she launched many a Manboat in the glorious '90s.
Sadly quickly turned into a chav hoor, hoop earrings an' all and went into real estate. Was riding someone from one of the various incarnations of Venom until he was done for drink driving.
Quote from: Carnage on December 16, 2023, 01:49:30 AMQuote from: Thorn on December 15, 2023, 08:56:20 PMBaffled me as well, never heard of her. I thought it was Ricky Warwick's wife from way back when.
That was the rock goddess that was Vanessa Warwick, she launched many a Manboat in the glorious '90s.
Sadly quickly turned into a chav hoor, hoop earrings an' all and went into real estate. Was riding someone from one of the various incarnations of Venom until he was done for drink driving.
Aye that was the one, never saw the chav bit coming though :laugh:
Oops
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Good lord. Looks like she should be in Eastenders.
Says on (German) wiki she started a production company making documentaries, music videos, concert videos (incl. for Motörhead), must have gone into real estate after that, mid '00s.
Looking well for 58!
58 Albert Square, wha!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Back on topic, listened to Dante three or four times last couple of days now. Definitely got something going for it :abbath:
Quote from: Carnage on December 16, 2023, 01:40:18 PM(https://propertyindustryeye.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Vanessa-Warwick.jpg-2-336x490.png)
Still would only for the wife would go mad
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 16, 2023, 05:43:51 PMBack on topic, listened to Dante three or four times last couple of days now. Definitely got something going for it :abbath:
I reckon the creative peak was A-Lex but Dante is actually well decent. Did you hear Jason Newstead's vocals at the end of Against yet?
Bit annoyed at how quick the Dublin show sold out. A bigger venue would have been more appropriate.
Which venue though?
Yeah I realise a slightly bigger venue is non existent, there's a dire need for something in the 3k-5k range but it is annoying that it sold out so fast. 80 bucks a pop with everything else that was announced this close to xmas was just a non runner.
I was looking at heading to the Belgium show, tickets and flights were working out just over €100 compared to the €80 odd for Dublin. That's sold out too though, and apparently tickets flying for the rest of the dates
Guess I've just to hope there'll be people looking to sell theirs closer to the gig
Still going through the back catalogue here, someone pointed out that Green's clean voice was underutilised - that's certainly the case. There's some killer clean vocals across those albums. I never really warmed to Nation but there's a killer track called Water towards the end with a clean vocal. Could've been explored a bit more I think, definitely an untapped resource.
The buildup in this is class, there's a real menace to his clean voice when he drops down to the really low notes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn5OIm0xQu8
Jesus that is one shit album cover.
That's a decent song.
Damn decent. Gonna give the album a whirl now.
This is pretty much a full-on prog metal album. Definitely the one I'd be telling people to check out if they want to see that there is a post-Max Sepultura a hundred miles away from what original Sepultura was that's definitely worth some exploration.
QuoteWelcome to Sepultura Greyson Nekrutman ! Greyson will now take over the drumsticks on the Celebrating Life Through Death tour for the next 18 months, following Eloy's recent decision to leave the band. First shows start March 1. Swipe 👉 for more details.
Casagrande has left. Word is imminent announcement as Slipknot's new drummer.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 27, 2024, 03:29:46 PMQuoteWelcome to Sepultura Greyson Nekrutman ! Greyson will now take over the drumsticks on the Celebrating Life Through Death tour for the next 18 months, following Eloy's recent decision to leave the band. First shows start March 1. Swipe 👉 for more details.
Casagrande has left. Word is imminent announcement as Slipknot's new drummer.
Nekrutman is a savage drummer.
Shame... but interesting replacement. Where Eloy had latin rhythms, Greyson has The Jazz but is a fucking beast in a camp child's body.
Videos are up, no doubt it's him. I'd forgotten how fucking terrible Slipknot are, those lyrics are excruciatingly bad.
They are indeed shocking. I picked up the first few albums when they came out, there were bits and bobs on them in terms of musicianship but the lyrics were always woeful. I had the debut on recently and couldn't make it past the first couple of songs. I think the ones that aged best were Volume 3 and All Hope.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 26, 2024, 08:29:09 AMThey are indeed shocking. I picked up the first few albums when they came out, there were bits and bobs on them in terms of musicianship but the lyrics were always woeful. I had the debut on recently and couldn't make it past the first couple of songs. I think the ones that aged best were Volume 3 and All Hope.
I like the dumb edginess of the first two. They're a gateway band for the folks that get the bug nowadays.
It'd be interesting to see how many folks got into extreme and underground stuff due to Joey's Terrorizer interview round the time of Iowa as he was plugging more Relapse stuff than Roadrunner.
The Seps live footage with Nekrutman is very good, he's been killing it.
They were very much a gateway band for me, a lot heavier than the other nu-metal bands they were lumped in with mostly because of Joeys drumming, and youre absolutely right about him name dropping older bands. Pretty sure I checked out Death and Suffocation because he listed them as an influence
I'd have no time for the stuff after he got kicked out, but would still throw on the older stuff now and then. Partly for the nostalgia kick, partly because there's some really good stuff on them
Works for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7anH4l8Ipc
That's pretty good, alright.
Sounds great!
That should sound amazing live on their 2034 tour.
Quote from: Barnacle Billy on February 27, 2026, 09:16:39 AMThat should sound amazing live on their 2034 tour.
yea, going into Kiss territory with a number of farewell tours.
They haven't finished the first one yet, lads. :abbath:
Just thinking ahead :abbath:
The new tune is not great. Not awful but kinda disjointed or something like that