What an awful, awful idea.
QuoteNuclear Blast is proud to announce the signing of metal legends CAVALERA. Today, the band reveal they re-recorded SEPULTURA's first EP, Bestial Devastation, and first full-length album, Morbid Visions.
Max Cavalera comments, "As we get harder year after year, sometimes you've got to go back to where it all started! We re-recorded Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions with the amazing sound of NOW, but with its raw and timeless spirit. The artwork reflects the times we're living in right now.... Apocalyptic as hell! We also have two new tracks with riffs from those days, remembered by heart."
Iggor Cavalera states, "I always felt like the recordings of our earlier work didn't do justice to the way we performed the songs. So, this is a very special moment in our lives that we are very proud to show you real fans our true representation of the amazing records Bestial Devastation & Morbid Visions with an insane visual identity...enjoy and see you all in the pit"
Morbid Visions and Bestial Devastation were re-recorded at The Platinum Underground. The albums were produced by Max Cavalera and Iggor Cavalera while John Aquilino handled the engineering. Arthur Rizk was responsible for the mixing and mastering of both albums. CAVALERA enlisted Eliran Kantor to create the artwork for both albums.
https://www.nuclearblast.com/eu/band/news/cavalera-sign-to-nuclear-blast-32201
At least the artwork is cool. Silly idea but I'm morbidly (bestially) curious to hear what they have done.
Arthur Rizk is the guitarist from Eternal Champion/Sumerlands so production might (MIGHT) be kinda cool for modern standards, most of the time when old bands do this it just means giving them the Andy Sneap treatment.
First thought was 'ah jaysus Kantor's style will not suit those album covers at all' but in fairness they look superb.
Oh oh oh wait, it took me a second look to notice that the logo says Cavalera not Seps, what's with that? Wasn't there two other non Cavalera humans involved with those recordings , wasn't ou'l Paolo there even back then, bit of a diss to him no? Not to mention the mighty Jairo T (who is currently playing in a Metallica cover band in Brazil apparently !)
The Cavaleras are the only original members to be involved, Paulo wasn't their first bassist.
Brilliant news, I'd love to hear how the potential of these tracks might translate into actual music. Both releases are dogshit, BD in particular. Troops Of Doom is the only decent thing to come from either, and only the Schizophrenia version at that.
This has the potential to be their Let There Be Blood, can't wait.
Hmm, fair enough I suppose but I know I went from ' Yeah, might pick those up' to an instant 'Fuck that' when I copped the name change on the cover.
Never even noticed the logo, but the covers are better straight away. I'm curious as to who else was involved, but it can only be an improvement.
Morbid Revisions
Utterly pointless. Those records have a youthful charm, probably best left alone.
If nothing else it has made me want to listen to the originals 8)
Quote from: Thorn on April 15, 2023, 04:08:00 AMHmm, fair enough I suppose but I know I went from ' Yeah, might pick those up' to an instant 'Fuck that' when I copped the name change on the cover.
But sure they can't do it under the Seps banner. So why not, like!
I'll check it out for sure, anyway. Those early recordings are pretty rough, so a re-vamp sounds interesting.
Jairo did a couple of tracks recently enough too with his own Troops Of Doom band.
Did Paulo play on any of the early stuff at all?
Going by Wikipedia his first recording contribution was Chaos AD.
Quote from: Thorn on April 15, 2023, 02:10:26 AMF the logo says Cavalera not Seps, what's with that?
They have been touring Beneath the Remains / Arise all over the US over the last few years under that name most likely they can't use the Sepultura name. The shows are suppose to have been brilliant even people who wrote Max off years ago that attended were praising them.
Honestly I am interested in this even though most of the time re-recordings turn out shite. I love the first album and EP but just like INRI they suffer from awful production. Other than Troops of Doom and the Anticop bonus track I don't think I have ever heard live versions of the other songs. They already have a tour setup with Exhumed for Autumn for these albums. Be great to see something like that over here.
It's the connotations of the name Cavalera (The Conspiracy bit can do one too) that's irking me here because thanks to Max it now represents some nu metal, jump da fuck up garbage which is completely at odds with those albums and artworks. Love to see them with Exhumed though.
The Morbid Visions redux artwork looks great, Bestial Devastation not so much. Arra, I'll give them a listen, fully prepared for them to work about as well as when Sodom revisited In the Sign of Evil. Which was almost 16 years ago already :-X
Havent listened to either recording in years and years,the production probably put me off as a youngfella.Sepultura was all about BTR and Arise for me,liked Chaos AD too.I'll definitely give this a listen though!
That Sodom one was terrible I thought. Just had no feel to it.
I hope this tour comes here. Be cool to see these live. Also, Exhumed rule
Quote from: Carnage on April 16, 2023, 12:39:15 AMThat Sodom one was terrible I thought. Just had no feel to it.
Agreed. Just keeping expectations for these Sep reduxes low by having Sodom in mind... while also being more than willing to be proven wrong! :abbath:
Hopefully Max still has the chops. I've seen him play in Soulfly and thought he was quite lazy guitar wise. Holding the thing more than playing it I'm sure Igor will be on form anyway
The Bestial Devastation re-recording vinyl is up for pre-order on Nuclear Blast for the bargain price of €37.
Track released anyway. Sounds heavy anyway.
Link https://youtu.be/cw3PjcJezJQ
That's grand so it is
yup, sounds good to my ears, not too modern a sound at all. not a hope in hell I'll buy it, but going just by that one track, sounds like it's at least not a shit smear on their own legacy.
I'm not mad about the originals tbh but I think the awful production has a lot to do with that over the years. Doubt I'll buy it either but I'll definitely listen to it at least once and as you say it seems on first impression that they're not shitting all over it
The originals are appalling, but I'll give these a spin out of curiosity. Sounds alright at best, there's only so much you can do with the source material.
Wonder why they picked those two albums actually. Schizophrenia sounds like shit as well but the tunes are slightly better on it. Why not start there? I mean great they're making these albums sound a bit better but they aren't exactly great albums to begin with.
Bit like Mr Bungle doing the Easter Bunny one again when everyone and their dog would've far preferred a proper Mr Bungle album.
Can they not just write good tunes anymore?
Despite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
Quote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:41:21 PMWonder why they picked those two albums actually. Schizophrenia sounds like shit as well but the tunes are slightly better on it. Why not start there? I mean great they're making these albums sound a bit better but they aren't exactly great albums to begin with.
I'd guess that because Schizophrenia is when Kisser joined and started writing for them so they don't hold the sole rights for it
Shit I didn't even think of that. Who was the lad in before Kisser, ah yeah Jair Bolsonaro I think he was called. Think he was related to the Bolsonaros in Holy cross actually I must ask Paddy and Mick Bolsonaro if he's any relation of theirs I'll suss them out at mass in the morning
It's not a total abomination but it's not great either and has lost all the charm of the original, which I love. Sure as long as they're happy.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PMDespite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
They did the definitive version years ago, the one that was tagged onto some copies of 'Schizophrenia' (recorded during the 'Arise' sessions I think).
Quote from: leatherface on May 18, 2023, 04:00:14 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PMDespite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
They did the definitive version years ago, the one that was tagged onto some copies of 'Schizophrenia' (recorded during the 'Arise' sessions I think).
This is the correct answer. I can't see them topping that.
Quote from: leatherface on May 18, 2023, 04:00:14 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PMDespite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
They did the definitive version years ago, the one that was tagged onto some copies of 'Schizophrenia' (recorded during the 'Arise' sessions I think).
I'll have to look that up. My go to has been the live in Barcelona one all along. Actually was the one you mention there on blood rooted or the roots of Sepultura?
Quote from: astfgyl on May 18, 2023, 05:22:45 PMQuote from: leatherface on May 18, 2023, 04:00:14 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PMDespite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
They did the definitive version years ago, the one that was tagged onto some copies of 'Schizophrenia' (recorded during the 'Arise' sessions I think).
I'll have to look that up. My go to has been the live in Barcelona one all along. Actually was the one you mention there on blood rooted or the roots of Sepultura?
That track is a few different releases you most likely have heard it before.
The Schizophrenia bonus track version:
https://youtu.be/u8aXJPGsno8
Quote from: Carnage on May 18, 2023, 05:29:47 PMThe Schizophrenia bonus track version:
https://youtu.be/u8aXJPGsno8
Just lashed it on on the stereo there. Yeah I do know it sweet Jesus what a fuckin ripper and you're probably right they won't top that.
Fair play to them, rocking stuff and needed a refresh. Morbid Visions / Bestial Devastation and Schizophrenia was the sound track to my school years (yes indeed I had Beneath The Remains as well).
Troops of doom with Jairo from a couple of years back was great as well.
\m/
Any reason why the bass player of Sep didn't play on the first couple of albums even though he was in the band.
He couldn't get it right in studio. When they were operating on a tiny budget it was more efficient to play his parts for him.
Like the old joke, what do you call someone who hangs about with musicians?
The bass player
European tour just announced including a few English dates but as usual nothing for Ireland.
Fenian Devastation
Zing!!
Still listening to both of these and its been a few weeks.....
epic stuff!
Quote from: mickO))) on August 16, 2023, 12:50:28 PMEuropean tour just announced including a few English dates but as usual nothing for Ireland.
seems to be a thing recently that bands avoid Ireland. It must be logistical thing
Quote from: astfgyl on May 18, 2023, 05:22:45 PMQuote from: leatherface on May 18, 2023, 04:00:14 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PMDespite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
They did the definitive version years ago, the one that was tagged onto some copies of 'Schizophrenia' (recorded during the 'Arise' sessions I think).
I'll have to look that up. My go to has been the live in Barcelona one all along. Actually was the one you mention there on blood rooted or the roots of Sepultura?
It's on the CD Iron Samba (Jungle Folk Songs), I bought that years ago at Borderline Records in Temple Bar - have it here in Australia with me
Someone mentioned Jairo before, any reason he isn't involved in this or is he?
Quote from: Necro Red on August 18, 2023, 11:27:30 AMQuote from: mickO))) on August 16, 2023, 12:50:28 PMEuropean tour just announced including a few English dates but as usual nothing for Ireland.
seems to be a thing recently that bands avoid Ireland. It must be logistical thing
Not even recent it has always been the case. Having to go abroad to see a lot of bands has always been a thing for the Irish.
Quote from: 91/30 on August 18, 2023, 12:17:50 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 18, 2023, 05:22:45 PMQuote from: leatherface on May 18, 2023, 04:00:14 PMQuote from: astfgyl on May 13, 2023, 06:43:21 PMDespite that rant I'm looking forward to hearing the redo of Troops of Doom. They'd better not fuck that one up
They did the definitive version years ago, the one that was tagged onto some copies of 'Schizophrenia' (recorded during the 'Arise' sessions I think).
I'll have to look that up. My go to has been the live in Barcelona one all along. Actually was the one you mention there on blood rooted or the roots of Sepultura?
It's on the CD Iron Samba (Jungle Folk Songs), I bought that years ago at Borderline Records in Temple Bar - have it here in Australia with me
I'll have to go on the dreaded youtube for this one quick smart. One of my favourite Sepultura tunes. Cheers for the heads up
Quote from: mickO))) on August 18, 2023, 01:20:49 PMQuote from: Necro Red on August 18, 2023, 11:27:30 AMQuote from: mickO))) on August 16, 2023, 12:50:28 PMEuropean tour just announced including a few English dates but as usual nothing for Ireland.
seems to be a thing recently that bands avoid Ireland. It must be logistical thing
Not even recent it has always been the case. Having to go abroad to see a lot of bands has always been a thing for the Irish.
I actually don't really mind too much as it is cheaper to hit a gig in Europe anyway.
I've given these a few spins, I don't think they could've done a better job!
The production is bang on - not overly processed but now we can hear the riffs properly
Forgot all about this actually. How are the vocals holding up?
Its exceed expectations by a long way.
Not for me but I saw Morbid Visions in HMV for 63e. A fuckin single lp.
Quote from: open face surgery on August 30, 2023, 04:48:36 PMNot for me but I saw Morbid Visions in HMV for 63e. A fuckin single lp.
Saw that too..fucking disgraceful :laugh:
Quote from: open face surgery on August 30, 2023, 04:48:36 PMNot for me but I saw Morbid Visions in HMV for 63e. A fuckin single lp.
Utterly tangential to the thread itself but I saw Astfgyl pay 40 punt years ago in HMV for a CD copy of Neurosis' Through Silver In Blood, it had a little HMV import sticker on the top corner, about three years later I got it for a tenner euro lol
I got the CD's (2) from Spin Dizzy records.....€36 including postage, artwork looks epic almost would have got the vinyl. But not for €63 I won't
Not surprising those HMV prices sure Nuclear Blast are charging €35 each for the albums on vinyl which is a joke. For some reason they are a lot cheaper in the US store.
I am not a big fan of these re-recordings either too many new metal style leads added in that just ruins it but I would still love to see this material live being a big fan of the original recordings and these tours will probably be the only time these songs ever get played live.
On the plus side, HMV do 2 books for 9e.
Quote from: ochoill on August 30, 2023, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: open face surgery on August 30, 2023, 04:48:36 PMNot for me but I saw Morbid Visions in HMV for 63e. A fuckin single lp.
Utterly tangential to the thread itself but I saw Astfgyl pay 40 punt years ago in HMV for a CD copy of Neurosis' Through Silver In Blood, it had a little HMV import sticker on the top corner, about three years later I got it for a tenner euro lol
Twas worth every penny so it was
I was in that HMV this morning it seems to be a thing with the Nuclear Blast vinyl releases the last Immolation and Nile albums were both nearly €50 each. The last two Full of Hell full lengths were €22 each.
I remember going up in 2001 or 2002 and paying €32 each for Eaten back to life and Butchered at Birth on CD because they had that import sticker on them.
Ah yes, Acts of God was the one I saw first at 49e and was shocked and sickened. Then forgot about it after I saw Seps.
I remember them having Abaddon Incarnate with the import sticker on it. Cowboys, Ted.
Haha the neck on the cunts!
https://www.nuclearblast.com/de/products/cavalera-schizophrenia-ltd-sky-blue-black-marbled-vinyl
Well it'd be rude not to continue with the re-recordings
Oooh, I'm not sure about that one. The Bestial & Morbid rerecordings are grand as the originals are unlistenable dogshit but Schizophrenia is my go-to Sepultura album these days. I can't imagine a rerecorded version being an improvement. Productionwise, some might say it would be but I like it as it is.
The EP and First Record made sense. This is arseholeism. Like with a remake of a movie, completely pointless and will never be as good as the original.
I figured they did the first two because Kisser wasn't involved with them, wonder how they were able to pull off this one
Might be happy to collect royalties off further re recordings given Sepultura's retirement?
They still get royalties from the multiple re-releases of the original recordings. This is just a blatant cash-grab effort. From the past comes the only decent things these lads ever did and they know it just as much as everybody else.
Quote from: Trev on April 30, 2024, 06:45:39 AMI figured they did the first two because Kisser wasn't involved with them, wonder how they were able to pull off this one
Roger Waters did it with DSOTM
They can do what they want but I'm not going to buy it. The original will do for me.
The original is great but the production is very dated. Will be interesting to hear this and maybe this means lots of Schizophrenia in Dublin. At least Nuclear Blast learned from the last re-recordings that €38 for a single LP isn't the way to go.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 30, 2024, 10:48:53 AMThe original is great but the production is very dated. Will be interesting to hear this and maybe this means lots of Schizophrenia in Dublin. At least Nuclear Blast learned from the last re-recordings that €38 for a single LP isn't the way to go.
Yeah was rather surprised at the pricing as they're awful fond of putting the thumb on the scales when it comes to records.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZSBz8EyTo
Cool artwork to be fair. They may stop here, we don't need Beneath The Remains or Arise to be Re-recorded
That actually sounds alright. I'd still stick with the original, though.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 30, 2024, 11:06:40 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZSBz8EyTo
Sounds great actually, that artwork is fucking awesome
We'll see by whether they decide to re-record BtR or not whether this one is merely cash grab. If they re-do BtR, then it is; if they don't, then maybe it isn't :laugh:
Well its €32.50 to see Max and Igor in Dublin they could easily have charged a bit more meanwhile the tickets for the Derrick Green tribute were 70 odd quid.
Hopefully this is the last of the re-recordings no point whatsoever in doing any of the further albums.
If they make cash, there'll be more. Maybe Gloria needs a new spaceship?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Cheeky cunts. That said, I met Max once, and he was a genuinely lovely fella, so I can't get too annoyed at him.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 30, 2024, 11:06:40 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZSBz8EyTo
Sounds good in itself, but the roto-toms are simply gone caralhos!
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Judging by the poster it's gonna be an early material based setlist. I'd nearly be tempted myself.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 30, 2024, 11:06:40 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZSBz8EyTo
Have to say that really got me going with the involuntary headbanging. Haven't heard the tune in ages either but they sound great here anyway
Say what you will about Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation but re-recording Schizophrenia is absolutely ridiculous. It's their best album, nothing wrong with the original. Total money grab, those recordings sound shite.
Looks like that'll be it, a quote from Max:
Quote"The Third World Trilogy is finally complete with Schizophrenia, Bestial Devastation, and Morbid Visions, all three Brazilian underground gems!"
https://ghostcultmag.com/cavalera-release-live-music-video-for-escape-to-the-void-announce-schizophrenia-re-recording/
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 30, 2024, 03:25:59 PMQuote from: mickO))) on April 30, 2024, 11:06:40 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZSBz8EyTo
Sounds good in itself, but the roto-toms are simply gone caralhos!
You can never have enough roto-toms! They're class🤘
As with the previous, they've done a great job with it.
Not many tickets left for Dublin according to the DME page.
Quote from: Mithrandir on April 30, 2024, 08:08:30 PMSay what you will about Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation but re-recording Schizophrenia is absolutely ridiculous. It's their best album, nothing wrong with the original. Total money grab, those recordings sound shite.
It sounds great but yes, doing Schizophrenia is unnecessary , is fine as is, it was the older albums that needed a new lick of paint so to speak.
I've never really loved the sound of the original recordings tbh. I think they all sound fairly crap up as far as Beneath The Remains. Not unlistenable crap but an update is no harm. Maybe a remix and master might have done the trick but it'd probably be called a cash grab then as well. Sounds a lot better than poor old Paradise Lost's new version of Icon anyway
Actually have Schizophrenia on here now and it sounds grand except the drums are a bit loud.
Quote from: astfgyl on May 01, 2024, 10:20:52 AMI've never really loved the sound of the original recordings tbh. I think they all sound fairly crap up as far as Beneath The Remains. Not unlistenable crap but an update is no harm. Maybe a remix and master might have done the trick but it'd probably be called a cash grab then as well. Sounds a lot better than poor old Paradise Lost's new version of Icon anyway
I have some very hazy memory of an article in a magazine back when Roadrunner did a re release in 1990 that the original recordings were no longer available and the remaster was accomplished using a two track master reel or similar that Cogumelo hadn't recorded over
edit: I have not lost all my memory yet.
From this thread, the same as I read back then
https://heavymetalrarities.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=6355#gsc.tab=0
Here's some information about the different mixes:
On 26 and 27 August 1990 Sepultura were in the CJ studio in Belo Horizonte to re-record 'Troops Of Doom' for the re-release of 'Schizophrenia'. Max: "We wanted Scott Burns to re-mix the whole album totally, and we wanted to record two extra songs as a bonus for the CD, 'Troops Of Doom' and 'Anti-Christ'. In the end we had to scrap the second song because we could only get two days of studio time booked.
We were very happy with Scott's re-mix, but you could hardly call it a re-mix. Our old record company was so smart they had erased the 16 track master tapes to use for something else. All Scott had to work with was a two track tape which was made to press up the album".
Burns definitely mentioned that in a Decibel interview a few years ago too.
Quote from: Mithrandir on April 30, 2024, 08:08:30 PMSay what you will about Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation but re-recording Schizophrenia is absolutely ridiculous. It's their best album, nothing wrong with the original. Total money grab, those recordings sound shite.
Spot on.
Wonder if Max will leave Cavalera after they get around to re-recording Roots
:laugh:
Only if Gloria tell him to