These guys had been consistently my favourite death metal band up to Gateways, I'm looking at some recent tour footage and can't get over how ordinary and lifeless they sound. Tucker's return to the band has been a colossal non-event. They don't seem to be able to tour outside the states and Kingdoms Disdained was really flat. I think they'd be far better off sticking to live performances but getting Vincent back, his voice and stage presence are far superior.
Live Footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AgCGdN2KoM
The above clip took me to this after, an interview with Trey around the time of Formulas - seems like an affable enough chap but completely off the wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bhTqbdgK_s
Fairly static to look at but they sound savage.
I think they sound savage tbh and are giving it as much as you'd expect really. It's not Jack Owen levels of human statue by any stretch.
When were they last here? The Covenant show in 2014?
Quote from: Squigs on March 20, 2023, 09:16:05 AMI think they sound savage tbh and are giving it as much as you'd expect really. It's not Jack Owen levels of human statue by any stretch.
When were they last here? The Covenant show in 2014?
Was that nine fucking years ago?? Jesus :o
Yeah that was the last one. And at this rate you're unlikely to see any lineup with Tucker anytime soon.
Jack Owen is a decent barometer - it's not that bad but I found it to be fairly lifeless.
I think Tucker lacks the charisma and presence of Vincent but old Dave was always fairly static onstage, too. He just kind of exuded presence more than Tucker can manage. But his voice sounds great so... it'll be interesting to hear what they come up with next as the last album sounded boring to me.
Quoteit'll be interesting to hear what they come up with next as the last album sounded boring to me.
Yeah, there was a track or two on the last one but the guitars were so feckin muddy it all sounded like the one thing.
That live footage is like watching paint dry. Zero stage presence. Last time I saw MA was when they played here 9 years ago. Saw I am Morbid in the years since and they were deadly.
Jeff from Carcass mentioned that David Vincent was coming to Dolans soon onstage at gig on Friday.
Quote from: Don Gately on March 20, 2023, 10:37:21 AMJeff from Carcass mentioned that David Vincent was coming to Dolans soon onstage at gig on Friday.
That's not true 😂😂
Be great if it were!
It was either one of Jeff's many stupid jokes or it is a show that hasn't been announced yet. I asked about it in the gig thread but nobody responded.
Yes the Covenant 2014 show was the last time MA was here. As far as I know they have only been here 3 times 2014, sometime in the early 2000's with Tucker in Temple Bar and back in the early 90's in McGonagle's. They seem to be one of the many bands that love to ignore Ireland.
I would really like to see one of those Tucker era material only shows they did back in 2018 or 2019.
4 Times
They were here in Mcgonagles as you pointed out
Then here both the Formulas and Gateways Tours. The first show had Tucker on vocals and was epic, the second one Tucker had bailed and Jared from hate Eternal filled in.
Then you had the 2014 Covenant show.
Have managed to see them with 3 different frontmen on their visits here! First was 1991 (they played Belfast and Dublin that time with Unleashed) with Vincent, 1999 with Tucker and then 2001 with Jared Anderson. New live vids they sound great.
I was at McGonagles gig in 91. Savage
Yeah, it was a long time after the fact that I discovered I'd seen them with Jared Anderson and not Tucker. Was chuffed to get to see Azagthoth and Sandoval, but the gig didn't really grab me at all apart from that.
Saw them with Vincent in London then in 2008. Killer. Total domination (!) of the audience, something that's got nothing to do with being static or not.
Was that the summer 2008? I saw them in Glasgow around then - first time meeting a load off old MI. They were lethal. It was all first4 bar Bil Ur Sag. Met Pete and Dave after, Vincent wearing a pair of what could only be described as leather hotpants and a towel round his head.
The Jared fronted gig wasn't great, he was obviously in at short notice and the set itself was bogged down with too many tracks from gateways. The previous one on the formulas tour was much better Rutan/Sandoval/Azagtoth/Tucker, ferocious stuff.
I was at the 91 gig in the Rosetta bar in Belfast,met them after the gig in the bar afterwards,sound lads,I've still got my blessed are the sick cassette they signed for me
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eEz2E9l1A4g&feature=youtu.be
Last nights set stopped Trey unable to play on, seemingly an ambulance was called. Have to say there was a YouTube interview with him recently and he was on edge for his standards and he looked like a bag of shite too.
Saw that interview alright. Mouldy drunk. Hope he's alright anyway. That tour seems to be cursed.
Trey is a mess for a while now and this day has been coming - even some of Tucker's looks and body language in that video scream "for fuck's sake". Man's gonna have to sort his shit out or he'll end up in the Notable Deaths thread...
For some reason, in my head I think of Formulas-era Morbid Angel as being recent enough but then I look at this and realize this is fucking years ago!!
https://youtu.be/_bhTqbdgK_s
These are old lads! Hardly surprising that's they're not in great nick, esp after years of hard-living. Trey was lifted for drink driving in 2020 and described himself to the arresting officer as a professional drinker.
Yeah it's an odd one. They've gone their separate ways but Age wise Tucker and Vincent seem like they're in decent shape then Trey and Pete Sandoval look like two bags of shite. Trey and Pete seem cooked from any recent interviews I've seen.
As people have said,seen them with 3 different front mem,99 with Tucker,01 with Anderson and 2014 with Vincent.All great shows for me,but the 99 show still holds up as one of my favourite ever gigs.Huge anticipation leading up to that one at the time.
I like the best parts of both eras but at the minute I'd prefer to see Vincent's Morbid thing,at least you know what you're getting
I had no idea Trey was an alco. I would have naturally assumed he was a healthy living yoga hippie.
That recent interview outside some venue is terrible.
He looks ask sounds like some wino they found on the street.
I just had a look at it. I wouldn't have even known it was him. Here's hoping he can get himself sorted out.
When your Ma is taking to social media to defend you, it's never a good sign. I hope he can get his shit together.
I think they're finished to be honest, I don't think they've toured outside the states since Tuckers return. I know they did alright numbers wise on this run but there's only so many laps you can run round the same markets.
Stories that Trey and Petes vodka consumption was/is unfortunately prodigious. Trey at it hard on this tour by all accounts. Is the Euro touring thing for MA not related as much to Tuckers convictions?
Quote from: Despondent_Soul2 on April 23, 2023, 11:32:52 AMIs the Euro touring thing for MA not related as much to Tuckers convictions?
You can easily get into most European countries if not all with convictions. US, Oz and Canada for the most part are the countries where you will face issues. I know a promoter in Canada that wanted to bring MA over there a few times but couldn't because Trey has numerous DUIs. A recent video from last year that I am not going to post here was going around of Trey arrested under the influence in Florida last year.
My guess is they are too old and not bothered travelling around Europe in a van at least in the US they are still in their own country when touring so if they want to go home earlier or anything it is much easier.
Quote from: mickO))) on April 23, 2023, 11:55:03 AMQuote from: Despondent_Soul2 on April 23, 2023, 11:32:52 AMIs the Euro touring thing for MA not related as much to Tuckers convictions?
You can easily get into most European countries if not all with convictions. US, Oz and Canada for the most part are the countries where you will face issues. I know a promoter in Canada that wanted to bring MA over there a few times but couldn't because Trey has numerous DUIs. A recent video from last year that I am not going to post here was going around of Trey arrested under the influence in Florida last year.
My guess is they are too old and not bothered travelling around Europe in a van at least in the US they are still in their own country when touring so if they want to go home earlier or anything it is much easier.
What I've read here previously (*unverifiable internet anecdote alert*) is that Tucker skipped bail here in Ireland (he lived here for a while) while awaiting sentence (or just the trial, can't remember) for spousal abuse and hightailed it back to the States. I imagine this could very definitely cause problems for him if he were to come back to Europe - indeed I can't see any other reason that they haven't.
Trey's mother (her again) has said fairly recently that he's keen to get back to Europe and presumably it makes a lot of business sense.
I don't know about the multiple DUIs - the court documentation for his recent DUI case said he had no previous convictions. In fact, I believe on this occasion there were issues with the case (breathalyzer not calibrated) and he pled guilty instead to the lesser charge of reckless driving, so no DUI on this occasion either.
Quote from: The Ancient Ones on April 23, 2023, 12:09:33 PMQuote from: mickO))) on April 23, 2023, 11:55:03 AMQuote from: Despondent_Soul2 on April 23, 2023, 11:32:52 AMIs the Euro touring thing for MA not related as much to Tuckers convictions?
You can easily get into most European countries if not all with convictions. US, Oz and Canada for the most part are the countries where you will face issues. I know a promoter in Canada that wanted to bring MA over there a few times but couldn't because Trey has numerous DUIs. A recent video from last year that I am not going to post here was going around of Trey arrested under the influence in Florida last year.
My guess is they are too old and not bothered travelling around Europe in a van at least in the US they are still in their own country when touring so if they want to go home earlier or anything it is much easier.
What I've read here previously (*unverifiable internet anecdote alert*) is that Tucker skipped bail here in Ireland (he lived here for a while) while awaiting sentence (or just the trial, can't remember) for spousal abuse and hightailed it back to the States. I imagine this could very definitely cause problems for him if he were to come back to Europe - indeed I can't see any other reason that they haven't.
Trey's mother (her again) has said fairly recently that he's keen to get back to Europe and presumably it makes a lot of business sense.
I don't know about the multiple DUIs - the court documentation for his recent DUI case said he had no previous convictions. In fact, I believe on this occasion there were issues with the case (breathalyzer not calibrated) and he pled guilty instead to the lesser charge of reckless driving, so no DUI on this occasion either.
About the DUIs I am just going on what I was told during a drunken conversation that took place after a show one night maybe I might have picked something up wrong because Absu was also discussed in relation to not being able to enter Canada on a few occasions due to some members having previous convictions.
Yes Steve lived in Cork for a while seen a few mention that on here before and in that case if he has skipped bail then that could be an issue because it's a completely different situation to having previous convictions. I would guess he could be easily extradited from another EU country but then again if they really wanted him they could also extradite from the US to here as well.
Either way even if they do make it back to Europe given the story you told MA will most likely not play Ireland again as long as Tucker is in the band.
Quote from: The Ancient Ones on April 23, 2023, 12:09:33 PMQuote from: mickO))) on April 23, 2023, 11:55:03 AMQuote from: Despondent_Soul2 on April 23, 2023, 11:32:52 AMIs the Euro touring thing for MA not related as much to Tuckers convictions?
You can easily get into most European countries if not all with convictions. US, Oz and Canada for the most part are the countries where you will face issues. I know a promoter in Canada that wanted to bring MA over there a few times but couldn't because Trey has numerous DUIs. A recent video from last year that I am not going to post here was going around of Trey arrested under the influence in Florida last year.
My guess is they are too old and not bothered travelling around Europe in a van at least in the US they are still in their own country when touring so if they want to go home earlier or anything it is much easier.
What I've read here previously (*unverifiable internet anecdote alert*) is that Tucker skipped bail here in Ireland (he lived here for a while) while awaiting sentence (or just the trial, can't remember) for spousal abuse and hightailed it back to the States. I imagine this could very definitely cause problems for him if he were to come back to Europe - indeed I can't see any other reason that they haven't.
Yeah it was that situation with Tucker rather than Trey i was referring. I thought he served his time (or at least some of it), but that the conviction might prove problematic to his leaving America.
It is a shame and so is whatever is going on with Trey. I have seen comments from people on other forums who attended some of these recent shows and up until what happened on Friday MA had apparently been great live.
Never got to see them with Tucker so I would love to see one of those Tucker era only sets that they did on the 2017 tour.
Trey's mother (once again) released a statement yesterday on what happened.
"I would like to say thank you for all of your well wishes for my son, Trey. As it appears, Trey was totally dehydrated. His back issue was due to him slipping while going down the stairs of the bus and hit his back on one of the stairs. They have decided to go ahead and have a show tonight And I am just hoping and praying that all goes well.
"I had a message from Dan [Vadim Von, MORBID ANGEL guitarist], he said that Trey got rest last night and was up and around and seem to be ready.
"I will continue to watch anything I can find about tonight. When he returns home tomorrow, I know he'll need rest, but also needs to get some medical help.
"Again, thank you so much for your concern. He loves his fans"
The stuff about Tucker not playing Ireland again isn't true, this lineup was booked to play two shows here around the time of Kingdom's Disdains release a few years back. The whole tour got pulled because of Tuckers convictions (Treys DUI hadn't happened yet). I think the odds of them touring anywhere other than the USA are grim.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 23, 2023, 03:30:30 PMThe stuff about Tucker not playing Ireland again isn't true, this lineup was booked to plate two shows here around the time of Kingdom's Disdains release a few years back. The whole tour got pulled because of Tuckers convictions (Treys DUI hadn't happened yet). I think the odds of them touring anywhere other than the USA are grim.
Have seen talk from various US bands about convictions causing all sorts of trouble getting out, and back in!, in recent years as a consequence of America just generally being a bit crazy these days!!
Having never seen either incarnation live I'd imagine that the Tucker fronted one would be the one to see. Yes Vincent was at the forefront of their iconic material but that beast of old is long gone. He sounded worn out even by the time Domination was released.
Quote from: Born of Fire on April 23, 2023, 04:40:29 PMHaving never seen either incarnation live I'd imagine that the Tucker fronted one would be the one to see. Yes Vincent was at the forefront of their iconic material but that beast of old is long gone. He sounded worn out even by the time Domination was released.
Even though I'm a fan of Kingdoms Disdained (I'd rate it joint 4th best of their albums with Domination) I think most people would prefer a set like the below from I Am Morbid (random show last year) than the Tucker heavy shows MA have been playing.
Yep would 100% agree. As I said earlier I'm a fan of both eras, that Formulas show in 99 was unreal but gimme I am morbid any day over this.
Side note, Trey seemed to have recovered in time for last nights show.
(https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/343063036_182854374639489_5248023001963682376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=eqw8VvDdPR0AX9-WYET&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=00_AfBPiqduzdBso9do3yEkTRObQLvdxl0jWdgqSYUrERBEUQ&oe=644A7AA2)
Those sores would suggest he's doing a lot more than drinking..
Jesus, haven't exactly checked in on him for a while, but don't think I'd have recognized him out of context the way he looks in that interview.
Fuck!,state of his arms!.Met Trey and Eric Rutan after the 2001 show in Templebar,absolutely sound lads.Sad to see Trey in this condition!
Can't see the picture ye are talking about.
To be honest those sores look more like some sort of staph infection over needle sores.
If he played the next nights show to a professional standard who knows what's going on.
Saw a comment saying he had been burning his arms with cigarettes for some dare game. Dunno how much of that I believe though haha
I thought they looked like bad burns alright, but who knows. Strange behaviour for a grown man. I never realised he was such a damaged individual, but then again, beyond their music I know almost nothing about any of them. Let's hope he gets himself healthy again. It would be an awful loss to see him slip down the drain at a young age.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 24, 2023, 12:19:20 PMI thought they looked like bad burns alright, but who knows. Strange behaviour for a grown man. I never realised he was such a damaged individual, but then again, beyond their music I know almost nothing about any of them. Let's hope he gets himself healthy again. It would be an awful loss to see him slip down the drain at a young age.
Yeah, he's known for playing 'games' involving putting out cigarettes on his arm - and other weird shit (rat fishing!). It's come out recently that he has Asperger's Syndrome which doesn't surprise me in the slightest - the extreme social awkwardness often associated with this can manifest itself in confrontational / 'asshole' behaviour as a sort of shield - just look at him recently being pictured with "Kill AOC [well known liberal US politician]" written on his arm - this is the provocative shite most of us get over when we're 17, not 57! He's clearly on a spiral downwards at the moment - even the fact that he's doing interviews on camera and speaking to the crowd at gigs (and doing himself no favours with either) is a very recent thing. Perhaps lockdown played hell with his mental health?
QuoteI never realised he was such a damaged individual, but then again, beyond their music I know almost nothing about any of them. Let's hope he gets himself healthy again. It would be an awful loss to see him slip down the drain at a young age.
Personally I always thought he was on the spectrum, all you have to do is look at his thank you list on any of the early MA records - you get glimpses of the real character through those. I met him myself before the Gateways show and he seemed a thoroughly nice bloke but very quirky and a bit manic.
Who knows what the effect of lockdowns and so forth have had on the mental health of someone who perhaps could be classed as a vulnerable individual. Throw drink/drugs into the mix and the effects are magnified.
As you say hope he gets healthy, but at 58 you'd need to get a grip you're no longer a younglad.
As the man himself (and the shirt) would state -
'Extreme Music For Extreme People'
I take it as standard that people who have created something of genius, like he has, are 'unhinged' in some form!
Havent seen Trey in vids for years but he looks pretty bad in that interview,sad to see a man battling the booze and his demons.
QuoteI take it as standard that people who have created something of genius, like he has, are 'unhinged' in some form!
I think that's a fair enough statement. Also think the political landscape in America seems to be digested in terms of something like WWF characters with goodies and baddies depending on your side, so putting "kill AOC" on your arm is not so surprising. It's not the same as having "Kill Beverly Cooper-Flynn" written on your arm in biro.
I remember reading old interviews with him in the 90s noting that he was a manic, chain-smoking motormouth
Dunno if people have seen the video that's doing the rounds at the moment of oul Trey talking about killing himself but it's quite clear the lad is seriously mentally unwell. I'd be amazed if he makes it to the end of the year. Sad stuff.
Sidebar, him saying Mobid Angel's satanism was "kind of a joke" and giving out about death metal fans being liberal/left is hilarious.
Seen it yeah is hard to watch to be honest. Guy is deeply depressed and out if it on whatever he's snorting.
Saw it earlier. Its tough to watch alright. I hope the man gets the help he needs. Clearly he's not in a good place mentally.
Trey is spiralling into another "Florida Man" article at this stage. Mental Health issues, drugs, bonkers politics, gun nut and a weeb.
Just watched it there, that man is on his way out. Between the drugs and his mental state he'll be gone by the end of the week, never mind the end of the year. Sad to see.
Link?
It's the Google drive link a few posts down:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lostmedia/comments/1ebwc87/fully_lost_trey_azagthoth_youtube_meltdown/
That is really fucking sad. I was hoping after the collapse and that troubling fan interview last year that he would get some help, and I figured him going on tour again was a good sign, but apparently not.
Hopefully family or friends get a 5150 hold on him and get him to a psych ward. Although a loaded gun and Florida cops trying to reason with him could be a terrible mix.
He's fucked. Here's hoping it's not too late for him to get help but he sounds like he's already far over the edge.
It seems to have been taken down. Is he filming himself or is somebody documenting his spiral downward?
Quote from: Circlepit on July 31, 2024, 07:13:49 AMIt seems to have been taken down. Is he filming himself or is somebody documenting his spiral downward?
It's still there. He's filming himself. Poor fella his footwear held together with electrical tape. Sad to see a such a brilliant musician fallen so low.
@Circlepit = It's floating around online but was taken down off his youtube I think, he mentions how he knows it would get taken down from there during the video. Basically it's just him calmly (which makes it more unnerving)rambling about suicidal ideation outside of an abandoned bank in the middle of the afternoon. At one point he shows a gun he has that he'd theoretically do it with. Talks about how he's nearly 60 and he's lived a full life. it's sad.
The footwear element is strange. Her must have money in the bank at this point with the longevity and success of MA's career. Is he a man child who can't look after himself or has he blown all his cash on drugs and drink? He sounds really mentally damaged in the video, like he's completely out of his mind. Is he just high or has he given himself brain damage from decades of abuse?
When you're that far gone things like footwear and generally looking after yourself don't register. Hope he can get help.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 31, 2024, 09:15:24 AMIs he just high or has he given himself brain damage from decades of abuse?
Probably a bit of both. The amount of times he keeps sniffing during the video makes it sound like he threw a load up his nose beforehand, but he also hasn't been right for a while
Hopefully the right people saw it that can get him some proper care
Fuck that's sad, He's absolutely fucked beyond return. "This would be a beautiful place to die" :'(
He sounds more cognitively alert and lucid than I was expecting tbh. Some schizophrenic elements, but sounds primarily like severe depression. Reminds me of something I used to say about psychedelics, that it's not so much the trip that can make you crazy as the return to grim reality, that classic existential impression of being subjected in living to something inherently oppressive. What clearer reflection of the grimness of someone's reality than that the place they find most beautiful in their local environment, in their habitat, is an abandoned bank that nature is slowly trying to take back over? It is very sad, all the more so that I'd tend to believe, listening to him and seeing what he's seeing, that his environment, local and national, are at least as much at cause as any potential concrete neural deterioration. No sure cures for any of this stuff, but he sounds like the kind of depressed individual who'd be transformed if their daily reality was shifted to a routine of productive contact with nature and other people, lending a hand on a cooperative farm or something.
That's sad to see guy is a mess and needs help.
Looks like he's wearing flip flops?
Quote from: Blizzard Beast on July 31, 2024, 01:13:28 PMThat's sad to see guy is a mess and needs help.
Looks like he's wearing flip flops?
Yeah it's flip flops,they do look like a pair of New Rocks ducted taped to fuck though at some times!
Spotted someone on the Reddit thread saying Pete Sandoval's wife was in the comments on the YouTube when it was initially posted.
A total legend,grim to see him in that state!.
Picking the entrance of an abandoned Bank as your spot of choice to kill yourself?.
I can only imagine what it was like being on a tour bus with him in recent times!
Very sad!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 31, 2024, 09:15:24 AMThe footwear element is strange. Her must have money in the bank at this point with the longevity and success of MA's career. Is he a man child who can't look after himself or has he blown all his cash on drugs and drink? He sounds really mentally damaged in the video, like he's completely out of his mind. Is he just high or has he given himself brain damage from decades of abuse?
He has some form of Autism I think maybe that aspergers thing. Probably has some other issues along with that plus the years of drink and drugs can't have helped matters. I think he may even still live with his mother or at the very least she is still a big part of his life as I have seen all her all over youtube doing interviews over the last few years. She seemed to be very good at encouraging him with music when he was a child so who knows maybe she went overboard (in a spoiling him kind of way) not knowing and it had a negative effect on him.
I watched one interview with her before and she said he took the negative reactions to Illud very hard and for long periods of time refused to interact with anyone.
Didn't see the video on youtube but downloaded it from another forum. I switched it off after two minutes and deleted it. No interest in seeing someone who's music I love in that kind of state.
I wonder what her favourite album is?
(Baby) Formulas?
Quote from: Don Gately on August 01, 2024, 08:29:42 AMI wonder what her favourite album is?
Altars of course the same as everyone else.
She prefers their earlier stuff, but tells Trey that everything he does is fantastic especially Illud.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on August 01, 2024, 08:38:11 AM(Baby) Formulas?
Children's Allowance Day Celebration might be just an interlude, but it's her favourite track for sure.
It has to be Maze Of Torment. Poor Trey, hope he does get the help he needs. It seems like a cry for help being honest though. Generally people don't act the way he's acting and off themselves.
I hope you are right, Necro Red. If he has friends to talk to and to steer him towards getting professional help, maybe get him clean, he'll be ok.
I'd say friends are well gone at this stage.
Definitely one of the reasons why Vincent walked I reckon.
It is a shame, especially as its so public too. Hope he gets sorted and on the mend. Could be a midlife crisis/thing cry for help either.
Off the point but back to the main topic, I've never really given Gateways much time until recently. I can see why it's not lauded with the classics, it doesn't have that velocity or vitality of the early records really, it's slow and much less dynamic, but fuck me if it's not really heavy. What was the reaction to this at the time? I know I downloaded it a long, long time ago and it wasn't what I was looking for at all in DM then. Was I wrong or have I mellowed a bit and can accept a shift in styles, hitting more of that mid-tempo pace? There isn't exactly a whole lot of memorable riffing going on, but there's something intoxicating about it, I keep coming back to it.
I've no idea.
Its an album I've always liked,I think the reaction to it at the time was 'it's grand'.It's definitely grown a big fan base since!
It was off the back of a podcast (HardLore with lads from God's Hate and Harms Way) where they were raving about Gateways in the same way as Altars that made me go back. I've really grown to enjoy bands like GH style of modern US hardcore, which definitely takes a nod from DM like Gateways more than the first four record. Prob just right time thing for me, cause I can't get enough of it the last month.
Quote from: Squigs on August 06, 2024, 03:49:38 PMIt was off the back of a podcast (HardLore with lads from God's Hate and Harms Way) where they were raving about Gateways in the same way as Altars that made me go back. I've really grown to enjoy bands like GH style of modern US hardcore, which definitely takes a nod from DM like Gateways more than the first four record. Prob just right time thing for me, cause I can't get enough of it the last month.
Have you heard Alchemy of Flesh?,they have two albums.(well Its one guy does everything I think),he absolutely worships Gateways!,two really great albums.
I appreciate my views on MA aren't widely held, but I'd call Summoning Redemption their best song :abbath:
Quote from: Squigs on August 06, 2024, 03:24:24 PMOff the point but back to the main topic, I've never really given Gateways much time until recently. I can see why it's not lauded with the classics, it doesn't have that velocity or vitality of the early records really, it's slow and much less dynamic, but fuck me if it's not really heavy. What was the reaction to this at the time? I know I downloaded it a long, long time ago and it wasn't what I was looking for at all in DM then. Was I wrong or have I mellowed a bit and can accept a shift in styles, hitting more of that mid-tempo pace? There isn't exactly a whole lot of memorable riffing going on, but there's something intoxicating about it, I keep coming back to it.
Recall a lot of folks raving about it and the reviews being pretty strong. It's definitely got some absolutely class stuff on it, but like FFAF, it's missing the clarity in the vocals and the hooks that Cowboy Dave brought to the band.
Quote from: Squigs on August 06, 2024, 03:24:24 PMOff the point but back to the main topic, I've never really given Gateways much time until recently. I can see why it's not lauded with the classics, it doesn't have that velocity or vitality of the early records really, it's slow and much less dynamic, but fuck me if it's not really heavy. What was the reaction to this at the time? I know I downloaded it a long, long time ago and it wasn't what I was looking for at all in DM then. Was I wrong or have I mellowed a bit and can accept a shift in styles, hitting more of that mid-tempo pace? There isn't exactly a whole lot of memorable riffing going on, but there's something intoxicating about it, I keep coming back to it.
It is a great album. I wasn't around when it was released but it seems as the years pass more people are warming up to it kind of similar to FFTTF. When I first got into MA not many seemed to like Formulas but nowadays it is some people's favourite record. Even the last album falls into this category. I have always liked Kingdoms but I often see people lately saying they hated it on release but now went back to it and are starting to enjoy it.
The only bad release MA have is Illud. A-F are classics and then G, H and K are very good but don't come close to the early material.
I've tried to get into Kingdoms over the years but it's kinda monotone to be honest.
Illud is comedy gold.
Took that advance from Season Of Mist (and it was meant to be a pretty good deal too) and just shat it out.
Altars is still their peak, and probably my favourite DM album, but revisiting Formulas and Heretic they sound really interesting. Very complex and heavy, they really sound like being trapped in Quake/Doom which is apparently what Trey did 24/7 at the time.
Formulas is a ferocious album!,love it!
Enshrined by grace off Heretic was a deadly tune and seeing it on Mtv 2 late at night use to kick me in the bollocks as a young lad. Must revisit Heretic and Gateways.
Heretic had its moments,but poor production let it down badly.Gateways with a more beefed up drum sound would do wonders for that album imo.
Quote from: Paul keohane on August 08, 2024, 02:31:41 PMHeretic had its moments,but poor production let it down badly.Gateways with a more beefed up drum sound would do wonders for that album imo.
agreed there. Heretic had poor artwork too. I still have the 2 disc edition that was released at the time. Gateways is a great album in comparison.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/i-am-morbid-to-replace-morbid-angel-on-devastation-on-the-nation-u-s-tour
:laugh:
Couldn't make it up
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on November 01, 2024, 05:23:35 PMhttps://blabbermouth.net/news/i-am-morbid-to-replace-morbid-angel-on-devastation-on-the-nation-u-s-tour
:laugh:
Couldn't make it up
Saw that. Pulling out of a major tour that they were headlining with only weeks to go? And when it seems they're limited to only touring the US? Nail in the coffin for Morbid Angel I suspect unless (let's hope) it's due to Trey going into rehab or something. Quite surprised to see I Am Morbid taking over too - they've always seemed shy about playing in the US (only a small handful of single shows IIRC) despite touring extensively overseas. Had presumed this was due to some sort of legal/royalties problem or agreement between themselves and MA but maybe they've said Fuck It.....
TBH Vincent's crew play the songs most folks will want to hear anyway, as opposed to the 'new stuff' heavy sets MA have played on recent years.
And now MA have released a 'statement':
"Due to circumstances beyond our control, we regretfully cancel our performances at this year's 2024 Devastation on the Nation Tour".
That's it in it's entirety! Pretty disrespectful to the fans. Hard to see how they come back from here.
Interesting reading on ROD,but essentially yeah, Trey is beyond fucked.Poor guy.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on November 01, 2024, 07:40:04 PMInteresting reading on ROD,but essentially yeah, Trey is beyond fucked.Poor guy.
TBH given all that's become clear about him in the last while, and now the huge negative publicity of dropping off the tour, I hope someone is keeping a close eye on him, especially given that video earlier this year......
Cowboy Dave rides again!
Day of Suffering off BATS, well the whole album really, is whopper.
Sad to see the state of Trey.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on November 02, 2024, 09:14:49 AMDay of Suffering off BATS, well the whole album really, is whopper.
Sad to see the state of Trey.
Hopefully someone's got him off to rehab and getting his mental health seen too. He's obviously on the spectrum (Missus clocked him as autistic from being in the room when I was watching a bunch of interviews)
Well... Mrs trey - Trey's Ma, said on FB , (she is more or less seems to be his PR personal manager on FB these days...) that they cancelled because worried about political violence ater the elections, In a country where Dimebag Darrell got shot on stage and with all the guns knocking around, talk of civil war blah blah.. I guess its a valid concern. Many of these florida bands properties got destroyed in the storms a few weeks ago so I guess existential threats are a daily reality for them. Also did a bit of math on this, and Id imagine one tour a year could pay the bills for the rest of the year for them (Trey), so cancelling a tour cant be a easy decision financially. one more point re: money MA, By sticking to newer material they dont have to pay Vincent any publishing or performance royalties.
It could all be bullsht to help with his privacy and actually be a mental health issue too or whatever.. if that is true then speculating and gossiping on the internet isnt gonna help him recover.
Re: I am morbid.. its a covers band. Without Trey.. theres no unhinged "lava" or whatever he calls it. Its just some other dude playing his licks. And as much as I love altars of madness and Iive been listening to it since 1992 when I saw Immortal Rites on headbangers ball and bought the album later that week, Formulas is my favourite release nowadays, its got the velocity, the trippy solos, the underground growl, the songwriting is top notch.
It would be great if Morbid angel played some more old tunes again, but saying that I like the way their set has pretty trippy, otherworldly athmosphere nowadays, watching I am morbid stuff online feels like gene simmons at a death metal kareoketrey cartoon.jpg
I'm a massive fan of some Tucker era MA,Formulas is a stone cold classic.But right now if I had to pick ,Id go see I Am Morbid all day long tbh.
If Trey wasn't fucked,they could just get the Domination line up back together and do a 30th anniversary tour!
30 fucking years... scary. I was in 1st year when it came out and remember being bamboozled by the solo in Where the Slime Live. I also remember hearing about slime colored limited edition disc, and being young and clueless, only getting into buying CDs at that stage after collecting tapes for a couple of years, I had no idea what it meant. Vinyl was some dusty old man shit to me back then :laugh:
One of the best solos in metal!!,ha I remember the slime pack edition alright!😅
One of the lads would tape episodes of Headbanger's Ball for those of us who didn't have sky.
He'd mostly get tape the most generic stuff , but left the tape running on one of them and we ended up with a block of Into The Pit.
Think I got like 30 seconds into the God Of Emptiness video and that was it. Hooked!
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 03, 2024, 08:03:55 PMI also remember hearing about slime colored limited edition disc, and being young and clueless, only getting into buying CDs at that stage after collecting tapes for a couple of years, I had no idea what it meant. Vinyl was some dusty old man shit to me back then :laugh:
Earache did a slime liquid filled vinyl earlier this year for Domination and Blessed.
Quote from: Steve maher on November 03, 2024, 01:51:44 PMWell... Mrs trey - Trey's Ma, said on FB , (she is more or less seems to be his PR personal manager on FB these days...) that they cancelled because worried about political violence ater the elections, In a country where Dimebag Darrell got shot on stage and with all the guns knocking around, talk of civil war blah blah.. I guess its a valid concern. Many of these florida bands properties got destroyed in the storms a few weeks ago so I guess existential threats are a daily reality for them. Also did a bit of math on this, and Id imagine one tour a year could pay the bills for the rest of the year for them (Trey), so cancelling a tour cant be a easy decision financially. one more point re: money MA, By sticking to newer material they dont have to pay Vincent any publishing or performance royalties.
It could all be bullsht to help with his privacy and actually be a mental health issue too or whatever.. if that is true then speculating and gossiping on the internet isnt gonna help him recover.
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That sounds like a huge load of crap TBH - they'd be better off just saying Trey's fucked, people would understand and everyone knows anyway! A headline band dropping off a tour two weeks before it's due to start without a VERY serious explanation is a huge deal. I'd imagine everyone else connected with the tour is spitting fire about the situation and I wouldn't be at all surprised if lawsuits have been fired off. Can you imagine the state of the tour organizers when they were told!? How much are they already out of pocket for deposits, buses, merch etc? That they seem to have pulled it out of the fire by getting probably the only replacement that would be accepted by (many) fans is in large part sheer good fortune - Vincent's wife has posted that he'll literally only be home for one night after returning from a couple of months in Europe with Terrorizer and Vltimas before heading off for this tour. Not sure what he's up to currently but I've also seen that Bill Hudson has an insane schedule at times (multiple bands) and can be abroad for months at a time.
I think Morbid/I Am Morbid still have the same manager, that Gunter Ford guy from the Earache doc so I say he was wheeling and dealing with the agent.
Quote from: Sworntothecans on November 04, 2024, 01:34:34 AMI think Morbid/I Am Morbid still have the same manager, that Gunter Ford guy from the Earache doc so I say he was wheeling and dealing with the agent.
I think Vincent's wife is I Am Morbid's manager (and Vincent's too).
Imagine your wife being your manager
Every time I see this post bumped I kind of half expect it to be a post about Trey dying.
Quote from: Barrytron on November 07, 2024, 09:10:29 AMImagine your wife being your manager
(Trey's) gun to your head, who would you choose to be your manager: your wife or yer ma? :-X
Yer ma
Quote from: The Ancient Ones on November 04, 2024, 10:28:16 AMQuote from: Sworntothecans on November 04, 2024, 01:34:34 AMI think Morbid/I Am Morbid still have the same manager, that Gunter Ford guy from the Earache doc so I say he was wheeling and dealing with the agent.
I think Vincent's wife is I Am Morbid's manager (and Vincent's too).
So Vincent's married to Gunther Ford? :laugh:
That wouldn't be too much of a surprise...
Now that is morbid.
Thread necromancy!
Anyone know if the current boots of Abominations... are worth getting?Spotted one on Vinted for a decent price.
Yep, it's spot on.
For anyone wondering what Trey is up to ....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dToZDai2B9Q
(Spoiler, it's not working on new music)
Wonder did his Mother manage to get his guns off him at least.
I see Pete Sandoval was diagnosed with autism
I don't know why that's funny but it is. It's like an Anal Cunt title.
Pete Sandoval Has Autism.
:laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 08, 2026, 05:49:44 PMFor anyone wondering what Trey is up to ....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dToZDai2B9Q
(Spoiler, it's not working on new music)
Chapel of Gulls
Sworn to the Blackbird
World of Birdshit (The Promised Land)
Pigeons from the Dark Side
Gullways to Annihilation
Herechick
World of Shitehawk
Blaspheasant
Inquailsition
God of Empty Nests
Winner :laugh:
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