There was a bit of chat on this topic in the Primordial thread with the announcement of their withdrawal from Hammerfest which seems to be falling rightly apart now.
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What is it about metal and festivals that come apart in spectacular fashion, it definitely seems like there's more of this type of caper when it comes to this type of music. As mentioned in the other thread we've had many like it on this Island too.
I reckon maybe underground bands in the genre are accessible enough (ironically) that any lad who has delusions about being the next big promoter thinks they can put on a festival with international acts just because their booking agents can be contacted fairly easily, when they don't have the experience or resources to do so.
Extreme music for extreme consequences :abbath:
Alan Averil has done a podcast on the Hammerfest Cancellation ..........
Sacrifice Fest (was it even called that in the end??!) in Derry mid 00's - absolute shambles
Was that the thing Amon Amarth Headlined?
Yeah. At least it went ahead though. Wonder if yer man (Hugh?) is still paying off his losses today! :-X
Was it same folks behind that 'Darker Days' gig in Letterkenny? I remember seeing 'Darker Days presents Sacrifice Fest' on posters and figured it was!?
Quote from: ldj on February 08, 2023, 04:36:55 PMI reckon maybe underground bands in the genre are accessible enough (ironically) that any lad who has delusions about being the next big promoter thinks they can put on a festival with international acts just because their booking agents can be contacted fairly easily, when they don't have the experience or resources to do so.
I'd say this is it exactly. Beyond that I don't think it's actually all that much more common in the metal world.
It's ultimately a smaller pool with less resources than other music, generally speaking.
Someone put up a clip of yesterdays action on Facebook it was around 5pm yesterday looked grim. The place holds a few thousand it would seem and in the video there was a hundred people if even.
Did that Clang thing ever go ahead which, if I recall correctly, had its roots in a failed festival which was supposed to take place in Collon, then got moved to the Academy a few days beforehand and got cancelled at the last minute?
No it never happened - as I said in another thread they had every opportunity to cancel retaining some integrity or awareness over the course of the pandemic but they continued to re-jig the lineup and the date. At the end they informed the Irish acts that they were being cut only to replace them with different ones.
At some point last year it was finally cancelled very quietly.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on February 12, 2023, 01:43:26 PMSomeone put up a clip of yesterdays action on Facebook it was around 5pm yesterday looked grim. The place holds a few thousand it would seem and in the video there was a hundred people if even.
Acid Reign's combined social media output over the weekend seemed a delicate mix of not wanting to further insult the organizers yet also not play their fanbase for fools by pretending it was anything other than a disaster they were performing at :-X :laugh: :abbath:
Yeah, they handled it somewhat delicately but I did see Howard getting thick with people asking if they were still playing. I think it's different for a band like Acid Reign though as they are already doing a UK tour and only had to drive down the road to make that date.
https://www.facebook.com/DominionFestival
Only sold 5% of tickets with that line-up? Were they massively over-priced or something?
Unfortunately the ticket info has been pulled from the site, can't see anything on any of the previous announcements
Dominion Festival 2023 Weekend Admission Tickets
Ticket type Face Value
WEEKEND CAMPING (EARLY BIRD) £89.99
U18 WEEKEND CAMPING (EARLY BIRD) £49.99
WEEKEND NON-CAMPING (EARLY BIRD) £69.99
I'm not as plugged into these things as I used to be, but I definitely should have heard about that festival before. First I heard of it was that it was cancelled.
The rescheduled Manor Fest has just been cancelled. Some pretty big acts on it like Overkill and My Dying Bride etc . Pretty sure the Overkill shows that were supposed to happen here last year were cancelled because of last years shit show.
Laughable.
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I see Anthrax have cancelled their European summer run for the second year running, citing scheduling and logistical reasons. Is this down to festival failures I wonder?
Personally I think Anthrax are full of shit, plenty of smaller acts have been making their way round Europe. I'd say it's more got to do with the fact that Benantes calendar is full and Scott ain't too far behind him with Mr Bungle etc. A long established outfit of complete liars.
Quote from: Carnage on April 20, 2023, 07:49:56 PMI see Anthrax have cancelled their European summer run for the second year running, citing scheduling and logistical reasons. Is this down to festival failures I wonder?
They should count themselves lucky anyone would pay to see them. One of the most overrated bands in metal history.
How they ever made it into the big four category is beyond me, easily the weakest of those acts. Scott Ian is insufferable.
Spreading, Among and Persistence are up there with the best of them. Worship Music is the best big 4 album of the last 30 years IMO so I don't buy that at all.
The only time I saw them live was supporting Slayer 4 or 5 years ago and they were grand. 2 covers in a 7 song set was unforgivable though' especially when one of them was Got The Time.
QuoteQuote from: Pagan Saviour on April 20, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Laughable.
What is?
The fact that Manor Fest gave a rousing speech last year after haemorrhaging a ton of money, letting a lot of bands and punters down and causing a knock on effect of a few of the associated tours like Overkill to be cancelled only to dig in and do it all again on a larger scale the following year. Some people just don't know when to quit.
QuoteSpreading, Among and Persistence are up there with the best of them. Worship Music is the best big 4 album of the last 30 years IMO so I don't buy that at all.
The only time I saw them live was supporting Slayer 4 or 5 years ago and they were grand. 2 covers in a 7 song set was unforgivable though' especially when one of them was Got The Time.
I like Spreading and Persistence is my favourite Belladonna era Anthrax record, but still think they can consider themselves fortunate - there's so many bands in thrash's B league that would wipe the floor with them.
I've seen them live a good bit, these days I wouldn't deliberately go see them - they've been support in most of the recent cases and the setlist never changes. Persistence is such a good album it amazes me to see them only air Got The Time? which is a horseshit cover on every occasion. I've seen them live with Bush several times, much better and a much more varied career spanning setlist at those shows.
Dunno why everyone hates Got the Time. I think it's class and I never actually knew it was a concert until recently. Sherlukkit.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 21, 2023, 08:10:52 AMQuoteQuote from: Pagan Saviour on April 20, 2023, 07:21:59 PM
Laughable.
What is?
The fact that Manor Fest gave a rousing speech last year after haemorrhaging a ton of money, letting a lot of bands and punters down and causing a knock on effect of a few of the associated tours like Overkill to be cancelled only to dig in and do it all again on a larger scale the following year. Some people just don't know when to quit.
People have lost money, a bunch of fans don't get to see bands play, and a bunch of bands aren't getting paid. Laughable?
Giggles doesn't see what's so funny.
I certainly wasn't giggling when Overkill got cancelled 😡
Don't know why you're getting spicy over a flippant remark.
It's hard to drum up sympathy when it's the second time it happened, with seemingly the exact same set of mistakes made. Last year, I felt sorry for all parties concerned, people had made travel arrangements to hit Manor Fest, the bands were out of pocket and we had a knock on effect here where Overkill and perhaps one other set of dates had to be pulled so our own local promoters/punters were affected. The organisers did seem genuine too but........
In the aftermath last year it became quite obvious that the organizers were completely out of their depth and experience and played along as if everything was hunky dory until the last possible minute. Anyone with a keen eye would've seen the same crap this year. They were announcing bands until as recently as April 7th when Slammer were added. As was the case last year, what has changed in so little time? Between April 7th and April 19th? It's absolute insanity, surely at that point you'd know the festival was not in any shape or form a viability? And yet six days ago there was a post about Overkill's new album and how great it will be to hear the songs live on May 27th.
So definitely, elements of this are farcical and yes laughable. Go over to the facebook page yourself and have a look.
Obviously, I'm clearly not for a second laughing at the fact that bands have lost income, possibly had to cancel tours and punters are disappointed and out of pocket for travel and accommodation , But I've close to zero sympathy for the organizers. I would, and not pointing blame question both punters and artists judgement in supporting or signing on for the event for a second time, confidence would've been absolutely shattered from the first instance last year. Personally speaking I would've taken a refund last year and left it at that.
And I wasn't happy about the Overkill show either, I'd a ticket for it myself.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 21, 2023, 08:10:52 AMI like Spreading and Persistence is my favourite Belladonna era Anthrax record, but still think they can consider themselves fortunate - there's so many bands in thrash's B league that would wipe the floor with them.
I've seen them live a good bit, these days I wouldn't deliberately go see them - they've been support in most of the recent cases and the setlist never changes. Persistence is such a good album it amazes me to see them only air Got The Time? which is a horseshit cover on every occasion. I've seen them live with Bush several times, much better and a much more varied career spanning setlist at those shows.
Persistence is also my favourite of theirs, agreed - just playing Got The Time is a crime when you have In My World, Belly Of The Beast, Keep It In The Family, Time etc.
I'd love to have seen them with Bush, anyone I know who has reckoned they were mighty. Much better singer IMO, although I'm not a fan of those albums (WCFYA was probably the best of the bunch, but even that was filler-heavy). The rerecordings they did with him were brilliant.
They have indeed, that was the first show I believe.
Jaysus this lad is at it again:
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You have to admire his tenacity but come on, learn from the past.
Where to start? Utter madness. The fact that Iron Mountain is referenced as some kind of currency is off the charts stuff.
Oh man! Saying you will have a top line PA and engine that know that they are doing is not a selling point, it should be a given!
That's like saying the bus will have wheels and a driver that knows how to drive the feckin thing!
"I didn't see this coming. It just fell into place over a few days" - Burning Metal
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Quality.
Are the heads in the chat that are encouraging this madness genuine or trolling the fuck out of him?
Seems 50/50, honestly.
:laugh: :laugh: love these out and out stubborn,deluded cunts!
I love the location of these things, let's make it as hard as possible for bands and punters to get there. Arsehole of Roscommon, Mountains of Leitrim etc.
Come to RosStock 2024: "the sound will be good"
No doubt a line up of Fibbers detritus. It would be great if it came together for him, and all the best but this, once again, seems arse backwards from the getgo.
We should run bets, what date will the Facebook be updated with the official cancelation details. I mean actual cancelation, not updates about logistic problems, unforseen costs, band pullouts etc. I'm talking the actual plug being pulled.
Gonna go with May 17th. Close enough to make it seem like an honest effort was made, far enough away that it seems like they're getting out before the start ti really lose cash.
Is this the PhilFest fella or was that someone else entirely? What year was that first one? There has been so many "attempts" at this carry on.
Quote from: Squigs on September 19, 2023, 02:36:16 PMIs this the PhilFest fella or was that someone else entirely? What year was that first one? There has been so many "attempts" at this carry on.
Same lad. Philfest, whatever iterations of it. Also Sonic Circus, also Iron Mountain (both also cancelled).
Have been sent this by so many people today, my favourite parts being the announcement posts saying they already have the jacks and insurance waivers ready, with a close second being telling a lad in the comments they'll have someone with a car there to run you to the hospital if you need it.
He was reviewing irish releases there with another lad on FB for a good while and should just stick with that instead, the two lads do a good go over everything that comes out, but no earthly way should he be running gigs.
Yeah that's a fair assessment. He obviously wants to contribute something, which is great so stick to what you're capable of.
Ah for fuck sake! Those are the exact dates that I had intended to put my imaginary metal festival on next year.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on September 19, 2023, 02:58:26 PMAh for fuck sake! Those are the exact dates that I had intended to put my imaginary metal festival on next year.
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No public liability, but a signed waiver...Jesus fucking christ
I worked in insurance for years, he's setting himself or the landowner, or both, for a lawsuit that would financially cripple him. Maybe that's what he needs to happen at this point to make him realise he's no idea what he's doing
A festival announcement on how the promoter intends to lose money holding a 2 day event in the middle of nowhere, with free entry as long as you sign an insurance waiver cause they can't afford to pay for it, and 3 grand is as high as they can go, is brilliant marketing in fairness.
This is also a good draw for any bands thinking of piling into a van and getting lost for a few hours before finding the remote location in Roscommon where this is conveniently being hosted.
Haha the Facebook comments a great read.I nearly have anxiety for the fella!,Imgine drawing this on yourself! :laugh:
Id say the lad who owns the land has no idea whats going on!,wait until fibbers on tour arrive in his back garden coked out of it!. 'Sign the waiver there please lads'
Scrolled Facebook earlier, came here, no disappointment. :abbath:
Ah, these are the threads I missed from the old site! Now if only Shocktopus and Pagan Riot were reforming....
Same time as Rory G fest if I'm correct, not like there would be an overlap.
He's deleted the post already! :laugh:
Didn't take long. :laugh:
So no festival then? Fuck.
Quote from: Yung Led Zeppelin on September 19, 2023, 08:45:54 PMSo no festival then? Fuck.
Who took bets on it being cancelled the same day it was announced?
We should all (time on the day permitting) have an imaginary forum festival on the day (I submit the title Rosmuckfest for consideration) and just get hammered to a playlist of live vids.
I don't get why this dude doesn't put on a one day fest in Leitrim town. Get one decent headliner and a heap of local bands and build up from there. He seems intent on setting up Wacken in the shticks using the Wayne's World method.
At least he's using the tried and trusted Catholic method this year and pulling out good and early.
Such folly feels silly until Phil duly fulfils Philfest fully.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on September 19, 2023, 10:13:03 PMAt least he's using the tried and trusted Catholic method this year and pulling out good and early.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Desertedfest.
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On the one hand, it all clearly seems ludicrous. On the other hand, we never had any public liability or whatnot for illegal raves organized in the middle of nowhere back in the day. No waivers either. Maybe he should just organize an illegal rave, but with crappy metal bands instead of crappy techno djs :abbath:
Fucking yeeeesssssss
The key phrase there is "back in the day", before the entitlement/litigation culture took off. If eomeone slipped in the muck and twisted an ankle, there'd be a claim now, waiver or no.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 21, 2023, 08:02:04 PMOn the one hand, it all clearly seems ludicrous. On the other hand, we never had any public liability or whatnot for illegal raves organized in the middle of nowhere back in the day. No waivers either. Maybe he should just organize an illegal rave, but with crappy metal bands instead of crappy techno djs :abbath:
There's the solution right there, stop trying to organise the next Donnington and try concentrate on having a good time