https://blabbermouth.net/news/panteras-appearances-at-german-rock-festivals-canceled-following-outcry-over-accusations-of-racism
I think everything should just be cancelled from now on.
If these big festivals just ignored the hysterics it would all die down and the Witch hunt would move on to some other bunch of gormless victims. Imagine spending all of your time petitioning to get bands thrown off festivals that you wouldn't attend if your life depended on it. Time well spent.
The gas thing is none of these cancellations are going to solve the actual issues. It was the same with the Tommy Tiernan thing the other week, not a fan of his at all and the offending joke was crap but it did seem like the individual in question went to the show with the intention of coming out with something they could get stuck into him for.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on January 24, 2023, 10:37:09 AMImagine spending all of your time petitioning to get bands thrown off festivals that you wouldn't attend if your life depended on it. Time well spent.
Bands could of been involved in the cancellation as well sure didn't Bolt Thrower and Napalm Death refuse to play a festival they were scheduled for a few years ago because Satanic Warmaster was part of the lineup and SW then eventually got the boot because of it. Mustaine also refused to play at a festival with Dissection because they offended his religious beliefs.
I have tickets for the Berlin indoor show so I really hope that doesn't get cancelled.
That's it exactly. There is zero sincerity behind any of this guff. It's about looking great and BEING THUPER PROGRESSIVE GUYS on social media. Pathetic fucking crap from babies who need to get jobs, pay a few bills and talk to a grown up.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on January 24, 2023, 10:44:46 AMThe gas thing is none of these cancellations are going to solve the actual issues. It was the same with the Tommy Tiernan thing the other week, not a fan of his at all and the offending joke was crap but it did seem like the individual in question went to the show with the intention of coming out with something they could get stuck into him for.
You've invented that last bit there all by yourself. See how easy it is to get carried away and veer into worldview confirming fantasy?
The whole Phil thing is clearly ridiculous, then and now. If you want to make comparisons, Beyoncé playing in Dubai and whatever other fuckers playing festivals in Saudi is condoning currently ongoing oppression on a much grander scale. I'm sure if you followed the money on the rest of the Rock Am Ring line-up, wouldn't take more than a step or two to find some seriously dodgy shit. Like, say, the CEO of Spotify investing in the military industrial complex, etc.
It's all hypocritical bullshit.
Every time you think these protests have gone too far these fuckers always seem to find... a new level?
Quote from: Bürggermeister on January 24, 2023, 11:24:43 AMEvery time I fill up the car with diesel, I am endorsing the Saudi regime. Please forgive me.
Good thing you decided not to jam with that band, cos I was gonna get all their shows cancelled! :abbath: :laugh:
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QuoteYou've invented that last bit there all by yourself
Not really. Emer O'Neill has a track record in respect to the topic, a quick glance at any of her social media channels will reveal similar activity. One could argue that she's genuine and this is a topic close to her heart but I'm more in line with Mclove's sentiment that it's insincere guff with a slice of eyeing up a career added into the mix. And there's a couple of things that lead me to believe that, aforementioned content for a start, but more so the fact that when the incident did blow up and the question was asked as to why she picked the Tiernan gig the claim was made that she never really heard of him (Aside from him being a household name, she works at RTE!!!!). The thirst to demean him in the aftermath was quite strong I felt, he's made the apology and pulled the joke but now you want a public statement.
"I am thankful to Tommy for reaching out to me but to date no public statement has been made by him to the people of Ireland or those effected from our ethnic minority community"
So no, I haven't invented anything - I've had a look at it and that's simply what I see. You might see something different.
Tommy pulling the gag or Pantera not playing the festival will do nothing to further the issue.
Story goes, she didn't pick the Tiernan gig, she was brought there by friends. And she'd heard of him but never heard his stand-up material. That's not to say her reaction isn't overblown, and more's to the point, absolutely garbled as regards what Tiernan actually said, including the all important context, on the night.
In that way, it's the same as Phil: the context of his supposed sieg heil and accompanying "white power" wasn't one of harboring and wanting to spread nazi ideology. It was him, at worst, being a drunken fucking mess.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 24, 2023, 11:44:43 AMStory goes, she didn't pick the Tiernan gig, she was brought there by friends. And she'd heard of him but never heard his stand-up material. That's not to say her reaction isn't overblown, and more's to the point, absolutely garbled as regards what Tiernan actually said, including the all important context, on the night.
In that way, it's the same as Phil: the context of his supposed sieg heil and accompanying "white power" wasn't one of harboring and wanting to spread nazi ideology. It was him, at worst, being a drunken fucking mess.
Phil just wanted some white wine.
QuoteStory goes, she didn't pick the Tiernan gig, she was brought there by friends. And she'd heard of him but never heard his stand-up material. That's not to say her reaction isn't overblown, and more's to the point, absolutely garbled as regards what Tiernan actually said, including the all important context, on the night
I did see that too, not sure what element of it to go for to be honest. Even If it is true it's the overblown reaction as you say really and in my mind the need to keep it going.
Comedy particularly is in a precarious position at the minute. And again, I can't reiterate enough how outdated Tiernan is, but even for a comedian who's evolved their act runs the risk of having something from the past dredged up for revaluation.
Crawling, cowardly saps pulling them. Sadly, it's becoming a rarity to see a bit of backbone when it comes to 'outcry' or 'fury' from internet spas.
Quote from: mickO))) on January 24, 2023, 11:00:12 AMQuote from: Eoin McLove on January 24, 2023, 10:37:09 AMImagine spending all of your time petitioning to get bands thrown off festivals that you wouldn't attend if your life depended on it. Time well spent.
Bands could of been involved in the cancellation as well sure didn't Bolt Thrower and Napalm Death refuse to play a festival they were scheduled for a few years ago because Satanic Warmaster was part of the lineup and SW then eventually got the boot because of it. Mustaine also refused to play at a festival with Dissection because they offended his religious beliefs.
I have tickets for the Berlin indoor show so I really hope that doesn't get cancelled.
In defence of Bolt Thrower and ND they have been highly ideological bands since before I was listening to metal. It would surprise me if they did anything different. Not saying I agree with it, just understand why they would take that position.
I recall Napalm Death cancelling some fest when KPN/Peste Noire were announced for it, but don't remember this one involving Bolt Thrower. Must have a look see. I do also recall Glen Benton getting Tourniquet kicked from Milwaukee Metal Fest way, way back in the day too, because he refused to play with a Christian band :laugh: Put me off checking out Deicide for years when I was only a wee spotty-faced teen :abbath:
What was the Tommy Tiernan joke?
I read the taxi company pulled sponsorship from his tv show over something as well.
Is that the same issue?
Quote from: hellfire on January 24, 2023, 02:06:27 PMIn defence of Bolt Thrower and ND they have been highly ideological bands since before I was listening to metal. It would surprise me if they did anything different. Not saying I agree with it, just understand why they would take that position.
I get that but no matter how ideological they are it doesn't give them the right to throw tantrums and have other bands removed from shows. If ND and BT had of cancelled themselves then fair enough they are perfectly entitled to do that.
Exactly it. If you don't want to play for retarded ideological reasons then pull out but don't get other bands kicked off.
Still haven't been able to find anything about ND or BT "versus" Satanic Warmaster, just ND pulling out of Blastfest 2017 over KPN. Which is probably what brought left activist attention to KPN being on the bill, who pressured to have KPN pulled, which they were. Don't know whether ND offered to play again then or not. But then the whole festival got cancelled due to low sales. So, similar-ish story to Steelfest 2022, except they refused to cancel any of the offending bands and (as far as I know) it went ahead.
Yep, that one went ahead.
https://youtu.be/rVaUlXfvOHg
Stop the press!
https://themusicuniverse.com/foo-fighters-replace-pantera-two-german-music-festivals/
They brought in the big guns.
Dreadful dreadful band. All Grohl is good for is name dropping
I'm reading that the Vienna gig was cancelled today as well, which was an indoor gig of their own, not a festival. Interesting to see if the European shows go ahead at all.
Actually it'll be really interesting to see if Metallica drop them. It'll be truly game over then.
Given they themselves have a sketchy pic sieg heiling it'd be a cunt move.
This Pantera reunion was a farce since day one, and the farce continues...
QuoteGiven they themselves have a sketchy pic sieg heiling it'd be a cunt move.
They've many many skeleton's in their closet I'm sure but their stakeholders will be jittery at the moment.
Wait... wait... Pantera were set to be the headline act for two nights of this festival in Germany?
Also - look at the fuckin' STATE of that line-up. Jesus Christ.
Quote from: StoutAndAle on January 26, 2023, 12:54:43 PMWait... wait... Pantera were set to be the headline act for two nights of this festival in Germany?
Also - look at the fuckin' STATE of that line-up. Jesus Christ.
I think the article just made that up, Pantera were further down the bill, I cant imagine foo news is related to pantera news.
Line up really is a bit mad, especially when Rex Brown caught covid last month and it was literally just Phil, who has been touring these songs for years now to half empty bars.
However when the CFH intro starts playing over PA next Summer I'm sure I'll be able to switch my brain off and enjoy it :abbath:
A North American tour was announced this week for the summer doesn't look like England never mind even Ireland are going to get any shows. I was half expecting them to headline Download but looking at the current tour schedule doesn't look like that will happen.
Bands ignoring Ireland is nothing new but I am surprised at no English dates as almost every tour be it mainstream or underground that comes to Europe at the very least has a London date.
Not so sure that's been the case in the wake of pandemic/brexit. There's been a ton of great tours announced that are only sticking to mainland Europe
There was a rumour before Download line up had been announced that they were gonna do Download, then pulled it and decided to do their own dates instead. Wouldn't be surprised if there's neither a tour or festival appearance, tour would probably still be a success if it was already announced and on sale but if you were a promotor/venue why would you bother with the stress/drama of taking the tour on now.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on January 26, 2023, 05:46:45 PMNot so sure that's been the case in the wake of pandemic/brexit. There's been a ton of great tours announced that are only sticking to mainland Europe
I meant to say most tours I have seen the odd tour that was just mainland Europe but then in a lot of cases a few months later the band would come back to England. I was also basing it on pre 2020 (which I didn't say) because since shows started up again I don't have a lot of money to travel so I haven't been paying much attention to what is going on outside of Ireland.
But I still think a Pantera reunion after 20 years with no dates in England is pretty shocking.
Quote from: Pain Medicine on January 26, 2023, 05:52:09 PMbut if you were a promotor/venue why would you bother with the stress/drama of taking the tour on now.
I don't think they would get much trouble either here or in England. Luckily we haven't had many shows cancelled over the years the only one I can think of is GBK and someone also tried to get a Watain show cancelled that didn't end up happening for a different reason. I am not surprised that this happened in Germany as this shit has been going on over there for years.
Hmm they're playing in Edmonton with Metallica and I was considering going. Wouldn't bother if Pantera were pulled. Really depends how much it snowballs from here. Cancellations in Germany and Austria to do with Nazi stuff seems obvious, but will the hysteria spread far beyond that. Probably likely!
Headline shows in Toronto and Montreal were announced this week as part of the NA tour but with what is going on now I can't see those 2 shows going ahead. When the reunion was announced I had planned on going to a Toronto show as I knew they would play there but the venue they are playing is awful so not gonna bother now.