New Metallica album, en route!
Metallica have announced details of their forthcoming 12th studio album, 72 Seasons, and shared its thrashy lead-off single, Lux Æterna.
Produced by Greg Fidelman with James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich, and clocking in at over 77 minutes, the 12-track 72 Seasons is Metallica's follow-up to 2016's Hardwired...To Self-Destruct.
On the concept behind the album title, James Hetfield says: "72 seasons. The first 18 years of our lives that form our true or false selves. The concept that we were told 'who we are' by our parents. A possible pigeonholing around what kind of personality we are.
"I think the most interesting part of this is the continued study of those core beliefs and how it affects our perception of the world today. Much of our adult experience is reenactment or reaction to these childhood experiences. Prisoners of childhood or breaking free of those bondages we carry."
The album track list is as follows:
1. 72 Seasons
2. Shadows Follow
3. Screaming Suicide
4. Sleepwalk My Life Away
5. You Must Burn!
6. Lux Æterna
7. Crown of Barbed Wire
8. Chasing Light
9. If Darkness Had a Son
10. Too Far Gone?
11. Room of Mirrors
12. Inamorata
The album is introduced by the short, sharp thrashing blast of Lux Æterna, which clocks in at just 3 minutes 30 seconds in length, and nods back to Motorbreath from Metallica's 1983 debut album Kill 'Em All, with the repeated lyric "Full speed or nothing!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u-7rWKnVVo
First track is alright, actually!
Short and punchy straight up rocker.
Ah here. Weak as piss.
Quote from: jobrok1 on November 28, 2022, 04:35:49 PMFirst track is alright, actually!
Short and punchy straight up rocker.
It's like a cross between Saxon & The Offspring ::)
77 minutes ??!!
Jaysus
It's alright, immediately brought this to mind:
https://youtu.be/nNOUdQYvXIg
It's like they've been listening to Megadave's last 20 years' worth of albums.
Can't believe people think this is a good track? The vocals alone are pathetic.
Just seen the album artwork. Good god.
Quote from: Jward on November 28, 2022, 04:39:31 PMIt's like a cross between Saxon & The Offspring ::)
Can't argue with that, Wardy!
Accurate enough description.
I don't mind the track.
I like that it's a short enough track. Doesn't outstay it's welcome.
Young fella is already harping on about getting the album.
I fear I may have lost him already. :-[
Some thoughts:
Verse sounds like Offspring, though I quite like it. The fiddly riff at the start keeps on sounding like it wants to break into a more technical, Rust in Peace style riff, but disappointingly never does. Kirk tries a solo without the wah! It's not bad, but better than most solos he's done in the last 20 odd years. The chorus vocals are excellent! Real Garage Days kind of vibe off them. Also the guitar tone is back to the thrashy scooped days too.
Overall it was more interesting to me than any tracks they've done since the 90s. Enough that I'll check out the new album now, something I wasn't planning on otherwise.
Quote from: Mooncat on November 28, 2022, 04:48:02 PMThe fiddly riff at the start keeps on sounding like it wants to break into a more technical, Rust in Peace style riff, but disappointingly never does. Kirk tries a solo without the wah! It's not bad, but better than most solos he's done in the last 20 odd years.
By the end of the song I didn't want to hear that riff again, got old real fast for me. Kirk basically did a Devil Dance solo 2.0
That album art..oh dear lord
(https://www.metallica.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-Metallica-Library/default/dwb70f835e/images/releases/72-seasons.jpg)
That paragraph from Hetfield is enough to drive me away. It essentially says
"Here's 77 minutes of teenage angst whinged at you by a multi-millionaire 60 year old!"
Quote from: Bürggermeister on November 28, 2022, 04:58:34 PM"Here's 77 minutes of teenage angst whinged at you by a multi-millionaire 60 year old!"
Robb Flynn will be jealous.
Title is crap, artwork is worse, song is fine
The opening is great. The artwork though and the blurb..... describing the vocals as a throwback to garage inc is spot on.
77 minutes though. That's a big ask.
There will be so many versions to buy as well!
Not just the vocals; the entire song sounds like a Garage Days cover that didn't make the cut.
How have these clowns been getting away with it for so long
Quote from: jobrok1 on November 28, 2022, 04:47:46 PMYoung fella is already harping on about getting the album.
Good man !!!
The song is OK, quite catchy in its own way and it definitely nods to some of the earlier stuff. 72 Seasons isn't a bad title but you would hope for something a bit darker with a title like that. An album in the style of Until it Sleeps maybe? Could be a few broody numbers in there, though. The artwork looks like an animated superhero movie about an evil baby. Utterly dreadful.
That's one awful awful front cover. I suppose I'll have to try the song now.
Also why do they always insist on squeezing every last minute out of the cd on every album. A few shorter tunes would do them no harm
QuoteBy the end of the song I didn't want to hear that riff again, got old real fast for me. Kirk basically did a Devil Dance solo 2.0
It's a little concerning because that riff so obviously wears itself out fairly quickly and it just hangs there over the song that it needs to develop or have a little variation. At best it's lazy, at worst it's a lack of creativity. Possibly doesn't bode well for the album.
That said, I am hugely more interested in short, to-the-point bursts of thrash from modern Metallica over any 8-minute ramblings of nothingness.
Like Hardwired and Death Magnetic, it sounds like they're trying really hard to feel something that just isn't there anymore. And I can only assume the artwork is stylised to appeal to the Tik Tok generation or something.
Awful on all fronts.
Quote from: Anton Arcane on November 28, 2022, 07:55:21 PMLike Hardwired and Death Magnetic, it sounds like they're trying really hard to feel something that just isn't there anymore. And I can only assume the artwork is stylised to appeal to the Tik Tok generation or something.
That's why they'll always be such an enigma. They were so fucking good, so unbelievably creative and skilled, and it's all gone. There's nothing left of the old band. There's no musical connection to the great albums, anymore, no matter how hard they try to force it. With Slayer and Megadeth over the last 20 years, even when they were pumping out shit album after shit album, you could trace the roots back to their good early stuff. With this lot, there is nothing of what made them so good in there. It's like an entirely different band.
Wait, 72 seasons is only 18 years...
Don't think it's awful but it's certainly not vintage 80s Metallica. More radio friendly 90s/00s era stuff as people have said.
I see Pantera version 2 are supporting them in the States next year, which would be cool to see. The European support bands however.....
It is surely time for Hetfield to release a proper country album.
Woeful cover art alright. For some reason it brings QOTSA to mind, they had a couple of particularly garish covers relatively recently.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on November 28, 2022, 05:41:28 PMNot just the vocals; the entire song sounds like a Garage Days cover that didn't make the cut.
Not Garage Days, Garage Inc. After listening to it was just coming in to make the same comparison.
It's not terrible but it's not good either
Quote from: Deranged Bear! on November 28, 2022, 08:08:06 PMDon't think it's awful but it's certainly not vintage 80s Metallica. More radio friendly 90s/00s era stuff as people have said.
I see Pantera version 2 are supporting them in the States next year, which would be cool to see. The European support bands however.....
I'd go to pantera version but not if I had to endure 3 hours of these lads after it
Also I didn't think hardwired.. was all that bad but certainly not all that good either and I doubt I'll ever need to hear it again.
Just watch me come back into the now playing with it within the week..
Quote from: Bürggermeister on November 28, 2022, 08:04:26 PMQuote from: Anton Arcane on November 28, 2022, 07:55:21 PMLike Hardwired and Death Magnetic, it sounds like they're trying really hard to feel something that just isn't there anymore. And I can only assume the artwork is stylised to appeal to the Tik Tok generation or something.
That's why they'll always be such an enigma. They were so fucking good, so unbelievably creative and skilled, and it's all gone. There's nothing left of the old band. There's no musical connection to the great albums, anymore, no matter how hard they try to force it. With Slayer and Megadeth over the last 20 years, even when they were pumping out shit album after shit album, you could trace the roots back to their good early stuff. With this lot, there is nothing of what made them so good in there. It's like an entirely different band.
I think somewhere around 93 Metallica stopped being Metallica. I remember when Live Shit came out they talked about taking a long break and assured everyone they weren't breaking up. They didn't break up physically but I think they did sever their connection to whatever they were tuned into creatively. From Load onwards it's a different band, not just sonically and aesthetically but the actual heart of the band was gone. They've been trying to figure out who and what they are ever since.
They certainly won't ever have to worry about the "The only thing worse than being talked about..." aspect!
I still think Load is decent enough but it is like a different band to their heyday
Yeah I don't think they need worry about being talked about in the present tense anymore, as evidenced by the thread here
The song is ok, but it's not something i'm in a rush to listen to again. I accepted a long time ago that Metallica are done as a creative force. I was going to say maybe that's what happens when you become very wealthy, but then Iron Maiden are still capable of making decent albums.
I would love to sit down with them and ask what they are all listening to these days. Like what are the top 5 bands each of you have enjoyed over the last few years. I wouldn't be surprised if none of it was metal. Then again, they probably are pretty hamstrung with how different they can go under the Metallica moniker. Stuck between shitting out uninspired metal to keep the machine rolling, or do something completely new with music they're genuinely inspired to write, either as a new project or as Metallica, and potentially have a fraction of the audience and everything that entails...
You need to pay, and pay fucken big, to sit with them :laugh:
https://www.wearesuper.co/metallica#ee-section
Quote from: Bürggermeister on November 28, 2022, 11:04:57 PMYou need to pay, and pay fucken big, to sit with them :laugh:
https://www.wearesuper.co/metallica#ee-section
One of the perks is 'express lane to designated merchandise stand'. Spend $4000 dollars on the experience so that you can spend even more money on merch FASTER.
All big bands end up treading water..Metallica are no different..there's only so many times you can go to the well before it goes dry...awful song...
To my ears it's fine. Young lad likes it and all that and he's excited that a new Metallica album is on the way. I enjoy that aspect of older bands still recording, same with Senjutsu. Good for the younger generation, not alot of newer bands capturing the imagination though. Only for that I wouldn't bother with Metallica nowadays.
I gave it another spin this morning.
I found myself humming along. It's catchy.
Into the necrosphere called it load for the 21st century. Spot on.
I've long accepted they will never write the way they used to. 77 minutes wouldn't be excessive if the material was as thoughtful and skilled as say Puppets or Justice. I think we can all agree on that?
I think we can all agree that if Metallica were still making good music then that would be better, yes.
Also, regarding what music they may have been listening to recently, going by that artwork, I'm going to say it's been a lot of...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LUejyXJgewc/WRSs8v13TPI/AAAAAAAAAR8/QIKb4IylpSUmi-s7Cl8O_ZHprTnHPoOjQCLcB/s1600/9420694_orig.jpg)
One of those glam bands like Cinderella, who when I was young knew they were guys but still..
I wish they kept writing songs in the vein of No Leaf Clover and -Human.
I remember being really excited to hear what the album after SnM would sound like after those two songs.
Quote from: blessed1 on November 29, 2022, 10:29:00 AMI wish they kept writing songs in the vein of No Leaf Clover and -Human.
I remember being really excited to hear what the album after SnM would sound like after those two songs.
Ah but then we wouldn't have had Saint Anger all around our necks for the past 20 years!
It's all a generational thing with them at this stage, sure.
Older heads pine for the glory days of the 80's.
Not so older heads pine for the 90's-00's.
My young fella is buzzing of this new one, for sure.
So his generation are gonna lap it up.
That being said... he's getting a mighty kick out Napalm Death at the moment, so maybe there's hope for him yet. :laugh:
On another note.
All these double night, no repeat songs is a HUGE money spinner for them too.
Not many bands could pull it off to the size and scale that Metallica will do.
Part of me is thinking, 'Greedy Cunts'.
But then I also can't help thinking 'Fair Play!'.
Definitely fair play. If there are cunts who'll pay for it, then why not?
On a related note, this is an interesting read
https://loudwire.com/avenged-sevenfold-m-shadows-insight-ticketmaster-pricing-controversy/
If there were Irish dates I consider going but apart from that...
Quote from: Bürggermeister on November 29, 2022, 12:23:28 PMOn a related note, this is an interesting read
https://loudwire.com/avenged-sevenfold-m-shadows-insight-ticketmaster-pricing-controversy/
I still don't fully understand (due to lack of looking into it, naturally) why they haven't been able to conceive of a ticketing system that makes scalping much, much more difficult, rather than what they're doing which is, what? Accepting scalping as an inevitable evil and merely proposing a lesser evil in its stead??
The bottom line is..if you charge it they will come..no matter what..and they know it....
Exactly. Scalping has shown what (some) people are prepared to pay to attend events and, rather than try to kill it, they want to take it over themselves. Despite Ticketmaster being the scum of the Earth, the bands are working with them on it, regardless of how much they may pretend otherwise, if yer man is to be believed.
As already mentioned, there is a bit of an Offspring vibe to it and I like it. That's the most enjoyable Metallica song I've listened to since Garage Inc.
I don't know if it was absolutely necessary to so blatantly reuse the riff from the bridge section of Hit The Lights, but there you go.
I'd listen to it again and I'm curious to hear what the rest of the album sounds like. At 77 mins I think we're guaranteed some utter shit, but having said that, I'm surprised I enjoyed this song as much as I did.
Quote from: jobrok1 on November 29, 2022, 12:13:42 PMOn another note.
All these double night, no repeat songs is a HUGE money spinner for them too.
Not many bands could pull it off to the size and scale that Metallica will do.
Part of me is thinking, 'Greedy Cunts'.
But then I also can't help thinking 'Fair Play!'.
The double nights thing is a great idea wish more bands would do it. No interest in Metallica after Justice but if they played in Dublin and the setlist was decent I would consider going.
Speaking of them being greedy cunts I just saw the basic standard black vinyl version of the new album is retailing for €45.
Quote from: blessed1 on November 29, 2022, 10:29:00 AMI wish they kept writing songs in the vein of No Leaf Clover and -Human.
I remember being really excited to hear what the album after SnM would sound like after those two songs.
Me too! We got fuckin scalded!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Echoing what others have said but you really expect that riff to build into something that never appears. For me personally this caused the song to really drag along. I listened to Atlantean Kodex - Sol Invictus and Primordial - The Coffin Ships in the same listening session as this song and despite both those songs clocking in around the 10 minute mark they absolutely flew by compared to that new Metallica song. I did like a lot of Hardwired so I won't write them off just yet but a poor start.
Apart from the vocals, it sounds like a mid-90s Megadave leftover.
Quote from: Mower Liberation Front on November 29, 2022, 10:14:33 PMApart from the vocals, it sounds like a mid-90s Megadave leftover.
I would be very happy if they managed to pull off something like 'The Killing Road' nowadays. Obviously not going to happen...I'd actually prefer if they did another Load/Reload type album, think it would suit them at this late stage than this vacuous attempt of rehashing their debut.
I wouldn't even go see them live. Saw them 3 times and the last time they played MOP the whole way through so there's no point now. I will likely listen to the album once but it'll have to be a lot better than that track to get any attention
'Lux aeturna' isn't that bad to be honest, throwback 80s style tune- not too bad/nor amazing- decent. Trying to gather some goodwill here. No idea what else will be there on the album but I did like 'Hardwired' so fingers crossed.
Do people genuinely listen to Hardwired or Death Magnetic for that matter on a regular basis?
The same platitudes get rolled out every time a Metallica record drops. "Their best since Justice" "Better than I expected" "There's a solo on one of the tracks"
I picked up Hardwired myself, thought the title track was punchy enough and gave it a few listens but it was absolutely painful to get through. Couldn't ever imagine myself listening to the whole thing in it's entirety ever again. There's a few interesting bits on it here and there and that's being kind.
The last time they gave a fuck were the Load albums. Doesn't matter what you think about them, from the bands side I think it's the last time they were genuine. There is one great record between those two albums and they could only dream of writing stuff as good as Outlaw Torn or Until It Sleeps these days.
Yep, once they tried being Metal again, that's when it all turned to shit. They lost whatever it was made them a great metal band. I bet they still have a decent album of brooding, slow and mid-tempo rock in them if they were bothered. Outlaw Torn, Fixer, that kind of stuff is where there might still be some potential. Now That We're Dead is the only thing from the last album I even remember. It was weak as fuck outside of that. As for Shit Magnet...
Drivel .
It's an alright track but having heard it once I wouldn't feel the need to listen to it again.
I'm more in shock this one song managed to muster up five pages off ye
Quote from: ochoill on November 30, 2022, 04:45:05 PMI'm more in shock this one song managed to muster up five pages off ye
I'm more in shock that you're in shock about that
I cant listen to his vocals!,I just cant!
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on November 30, 2022, 01:45:57 PMDo people genuinely listen to Hardwired or Death Magnetic for that matter on a regular basis?
The same platitudes get rolled out every time a Metallica record drops. "Their best since Justice" "Better than I expected" "There's a solo on one of the tracks"
I picked up Hardwired myself, thought the title track was punchy enough and gave it a few listens but it was absolutely painful to get through. Couldn't ever imagine myself listening to the whole thing in it's entirety ever again. There's a few interesting bits on it here and there and that's being kind.
The last time they gave a fuck were the Load albums. Doesn't matter what you think about them, from the bands side I think it's the last time they were genuine. There is one great record between those two albums and they could only dream of writing stuff as good as Outlaw Torn or Until It Sleeps these days.
Agree with all of that, I don't listen to Hardwired on a regular basis, just thought it was good relief at the time. Like when your badly behaved child decides to change their behavior for the better. That being said 'Spit out the Bone' was/is a banger.
Hardwired has some good songs. I like Atlas Rise alot.
It really reminds me of this song
Quote from: Paul keohane on November 30, 2022, 10:37:42 PMI cant listen to his vocals!,I just cant!
the lyrics are weak and I find his vocals a bit too Autotuned. Now, the majority of vocals recorded professionally are Auotuned and time corrected, but I feel this is fairly obvious.
The whole words finishing with...ation is a bit wearying
Quote from: Don Gately on December 01, 2022, 12:01:21 PMThe whole words finishing with...ation is a bit wearying
I didn't get far enough into the song to her them all..did they manage to get Masturbation into the lyrics?
Quote from: Don Gately on December 01, 2022, 12:01:21 PMThe whole words finishing with...ation is a bit wearying
Ehem...!!!
Opposition (opposition)
Contradiction (contradiction)
Premonition (premonition)
Compromise
Agitation (agitation)
Violation (violation)
Mutilation (mutilation)
Planet Dies
Darkest color
Blistered Earth
True death of life
Termination (termination)
Expiration (expiration)
Cancellation (cancellation)
Human Race
Expectation (expectation)
Liberation (liberation)
Population (population)
Lay to waste
See our mother
Put to death
See our mother die
Exactly my thoughts, very lazy lyrics. Blackened is great but come on..
The lyrics are a bit shit, except for "Lightning the nation", which surely has to be a Diamond Head reference!
Yup, just the kind of shite they would pull to try get old crusties like us interested :abbath:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on December 01, 2022, 04:11:46 PMYup, just the kind of shite they would pull to try get old crusties like us interested :abbath:
Should have just gone with this
https://youtu.be/GYf8dgzEYx4
Actually now that I think of it, most of the song is very Diamond Head like. Maybe that's why I keep replaying it :laugh:
Even the way his voice goes up and drawn out in the chorus. If the rest of the album has a similar Diamond Head vibe to it, I'd be excited :abbath:
Quote from: Don Gately on December 01, 2022, 02:00:22 PMExactly my thoughts, very lazy lyrics. Blackened is great but come on..
I know... Just couldn't resist :P
Listening to that Lux Aeturnus choon. Dreadful, derivative shite. The intro riff...ha ha, quality control is just non-existent.
As for the vocals? I mean they're about as good as could have been hoped for. Nevertheless there are no discernible balls at all, nothing. The lyrics are, to put it politely, lacking a certain je ne sais quoi.
the drums also sound just awful. compressed to fuck.
The music teacher where I work loves Metallica (but is also fond of Sonata Arctica and worse) was defending it, but conceded on the drum sound too.
I'd hope all the tracks don't sound the same as this on the album. As said above, I wouldn't complian if they did a few numbers similar to No Leaf Clover, Until It Sleeps or even I Disappear. Are they forcing the whole "Metal" thing now?
I think even a half way decent track like No Leaf Clover is beyond these boys now, sadly.
Still go to a gig if they were in town mind you.
I see they've had to put a statement out after some crypto scams emerged on the back of the new song. Some YouTube channels claiming to be Metallica offering to double any Bitcoin sent to them in celebration of the new album :laugh:
It's been longer since the wrote No Leaf Clover to now than it was when they wrote Hit The Lights to No Leaf Clover.
We'e rehashing opinions as bad as Metallica as ideas.
:laugh: :laugh: Back of the net Squigz.
Quote from: Squigs on December 06, 2022, 08:38:59 PMIt's been longer since the wrote No Leaf Clover to now than it was when they wrote Hit The Lights to No Leaf Clover.
We'e rehashing opinions as bad as Metallica as ideas.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Thread can be locked now
I was surprised by the lead off song, I thought it was good, but it got worse on repeat listens.
The artwork is terrible, a pile of scrap around a child's cot. Uninteresting and it will look shit on a t-shirt.
Another new song:
https://youtu.be/ZDyDpdFZHBo
Fairly generic, to the point of forgetting it while I'm still actually listening to it. Sounds like a ReLoad throwback.
There's something very 'old men who clap on the 1 and the 3' about the riffing. Super generic, no real groove or syncopation. Quite enjoyed the first song but this one sucks. I cannot believe Kirk Hammett is still a working guitarist.
Shocking, like the last excuse of a single its bad enough but once the vocals kick it becomes unbearable
Dreadful. Still shocked that quite a few voiced support for the first track, but that one is indeed worse. Even the sound of the album is nauseating, so sterile.
Not up to much. I still can't fathom how Hetfield hasn't done a country and western album yet. Such a wasted opportunity.
QuoteI still can't fathom how Hetfield hasn't done a country and western album yet. Such a wasted opportunity.
Can't tell is that's a gag or not but I was literally just thinking along the same lines that at least an acoustic based project would probably be best as far as Hetfield is concerned. Voice is completely unfit for purpose in the context of Metallica.
Like the last single these riffs are so bad...whatever about hetfield not being able to sing..the riffs are so bereft of ideas and just chucked together aimlessly....they are like riffs total guitar magazine would teach a 13 yr old 25 years ago in a 'metal edition'
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on January 20, 2023, 08:41:08 AMQuoteI still can't fathom how Hetfield hasn't done a country and western album yet. Such a wasted opportunity.
Can't tell is that's a gag or not but I was literally just thinking along the same lines that at least an acoustic based project would probably be best as far as Hetfield is concerned. Voice is completely unfit for purpose in the context of Metallica.
I'm not joking. I think a country album from him would at least have the potential to be really good.
QuoteI'm not joking
Good, I agree! I think it could work and his voice as is would be well suited for it.
It must be painful for them writing a Metallica record these days.
That is 100% within the expectations of any new Metallica song over the last 30 years. And ye had me hoping for something remarkably awful there!
Whatever about how generic the songs have been, how can arguably the biggest band in the world not put together a decent sounding album?
Are their ears just completely fucked and they don't realise how shit their production has been for 20 years? Christ I'd take a generic Andy Sneap job at this point
They aren't metal heads. Simple as that.
It's fucking terrible but it's a stadium filler. They still won't have trouble selling tickets pedalling this shite. Old men selling teen angst never goes out of fashion. Dreadfully embarassing stuff, altogether.
Come to think of it, Trujillo, the most anonymous figure in rock, has now been a part of the shit show longer than Burton, Newsted and McGovney put together, hasn't he. What a catalogue of shit to have as your legacy.
QuoteWhat a catalogue of shit to have as your legacy.
You're not wrong there. There's not a single track from St Anger to now that has had any staying power.
I really thought that new song was lads having a laugh! Bit stunned its actually really a Metallica song.
Yeah, I dunno, guess thats me off the Metallica Fan Wagon again.
I'm still getting over the black album in fairness! I was quite young when I heard it. It was in the same vein as Maidens "No Prayer for the Dying". Epic albums followed by rubbish.....lets be honest its not like they are the Rolling Stones.....like Keith Richards said about them "they are a good joke...."
I do like Hammett's EP, thought it had some great parts (To Tame A Land? anyone...)
Gathering clouds on the Metallica front I think but at least they are still bringing heavy music to the masses.
What amazes me is they've been bulletproof, whether it be changing trends, failed festivals, movies or releasing a shit show of a record their popularity has been seemingly unwavering. They've survived it all without so much as a dip in popularity.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on January 20, 2023, 11:57:28 AMWhat amazes me is they've been bulletproof, whether it be changing trends, failed festivals, movies or releasing a shit show of a record their popularity has been seemingly unwavering. They've survived it all without so much as a dip in popularity.
Agreed. Laughable at this point
Quote from: Bürggermeister on January 20, 2023, 11:39:44 AMCome to think of it, Trujillo, the most anonymous figure in rock, has now been a part of the shit show longer than Burton, Newsted and McGovney put together, hasn't he.
It was 21 years ago yesterday that Newstead quit. Now for ya.
Kind of sounds like it could be a cover from Garage Inc.
It's no better or worse than the last one or as said above, the last 30 years
They look like they are enjoying themselves so that's nice.
Was reluctant to say I liked Lux aeterna as I was wondering if it was just the novelty of having a new song but thought this second song was a load of shite on first listen. It's worst of 90s Metallica combined with the worst habits of the last two albums.
Kirk's soloing particularly bad. The whole song sounds like it was written as they jammed along and recorded in one take.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on January 20, 2023, 11:57:28 AMWhat amazes me is they've been bulletproof, whether it be changing trends, failed festivals, movies or releasing a shit show of a record their popularity has been seemingly unwavering. They've survived it all without so much as a dip in popularity.
I don't think they'll ever lose popularity. Metallica is the main band every metal teen grows up with, even today. They're the gateway to everything else too. No matter how shit they get, they're still an indelible part of your soul (and arguably
still unmatched as a metal band). They knew what they were talking about with that Birth, School, Metallica, Death t-shirt. Even though they've been painful now for three times longer than they were good!
I was into loads of other shit before I got into Metallica so they never had that impact. I still just think the early stuff is fine. Slayer everyday of the week.
Also, I've found that people are quicker to say Slipknot these days where it used to always be Metallica
Had this on in the car today with the young lad beside me. It finished. Neither of us said a word. Says it all.
Quote from: Trev on January 20, 2023, 11:29:57 AMWhatever about how generic the songs have been, how can arguably the biggest band in the world not put together a decent sounding album?
Are their ears just completely fucked and they don't realise how shit their production has been for 20 years? Christ I'd take a generic Andy Sneap job at this point
Sneap would make them sound great. The last Priest album sounds deadly!
Sneap would do what he's told by the lad who keeps turning the fucking drums up.
The loudness of the drums isn't the core problem; it's the drum sounds themselves. Whatever patches they're using make the kit as a whole sound like it was generated by a shitty AI prompted to create a drum track "in the style of early Metallica but compressed for streaming via Pandora circa 2003."
Is it just me or is the bass drum all but inaudible these days? Presumably because he's barely able to play anymore.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on January 23, 2023, 10:37:49 AMThe loudness of the drums isn't the core problem; it's the drum sounds themselves. Whatever patches they're using make the kit as a whole sound like it was generated by a shitty AI prompted to create a drum track "in the style of early Metallica but compressed for streaming via Pandora circa 2003."
The drums sounding shit doesn't help, certainly, but there's no snare sound which would be palatable when it's as loud as it is in that second song. I thought it was because I listened to it through the phone speaker, so I actually sat through the fucking thing a second time, listening through a good stereo and the snare is just on top of everything. Even Hetfield has been largely mixed out of that second song. Lars is as much of a cancer to mixes as Steve Harris, if not more.
Metallicas unwavered success despite the shite doesn't seem to correlate with any actual metal fans I've ever met. I worked with a guy who had their latest song on, but had Imagine Dragons or some shit queued up. Their new fans seem to be stadium concert goers who'll drunk the kool aid. But who cares ha
Horrid shite to be dealing with/listening to.
What do you expect from these lads, especially when Hetfield's going through a mid life crisis, dumping the missus, pounding a young one around the same age as his daughter.
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The Fling That Should Not Be
Quote from: The Butcher on January 23, 2023, 03:54:34 PMThe Fling That Should Not Be
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
"Pounding a young one", great phrase. :laugh:
Quote from: Carnage on January 23, 2023, 04:09:50 PM"Pounding a young one", great phrase. :laugh:
Yeah I could have went rougher but .....
Who's the new girlfriend?
First pic looks creepy
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on January 23, 2023, 08:25:34 PMWho's the new girlfriend?
First pic looks creepy as fuck
Some young one.
He filed for divorce from the wife of 25 years to go off with her.
Expensive ride, cause it will cost him half his net worth, approx $175 million.
It's pretty fucking pathetic in all fairness. If it was my auld lad, I'd bate the bastard, black and blue.
Both photos look creepy, because they belong in the pages of gossip magazines and tabloids; where voyeurs and morality police are one.
Stop the press: multi millionaire bucks young one!
Ride The Youngthing
Am I Legal?
What did Hetfield say to his divorce lawyer? She's " Bleeding Me".
What did he say to his wife?
Bye bye bye my darling.
I have my coat and I'm leaving the hall.
In-this-little Kid
Where The Child Flings Are
QuoteHe's the guy who ran away and left his wife for a young one
Eamon Dunphy
Ride the tight-thing
Escape (the wife)
Load....Nothing Else Matters
Another new one, If Darkness Had A Son:
https://youtu.be/x_t53a5Ons0
A mid-paced plodder, straight off Load/ReLoad. Has its moments but as usual, much longer than it needs to be.
It sounds like it belongs on the 2nd disc of Hardwired, and that is by no means a compliment. Very generic plodding shite. Lux Aeterna sounds positively superb compared to these latest 2 songs.
It's a foot tapper, for sure. But nothing spectacular.
To their credit... at least they're just rocking out a bit with the new songs instead of trying to force the thrash thing.
That's the best of the 3 so far.
It's like a Death Magnetic meets Load track.
It suits his voice. He seems to be morphing into a slimmer Paul Snr from OCC !
The videos though. Do ye remember GNR did a video for Yesterday and had time left in the shoot so they knocked out one for Garden Of Eden?
Well Metallica seem to have done that here. 3 for the price of one. Why not I supoose.
Bad.
If you peel back the uninspiring Death magnetic b-side riffs, the song just contains St.Angeresque potassium benzoate.
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I mean that solo, probably should have never been recorded!
Quote from: The Great Cull on March 01, 2023, 03:33:48 PMLux Aeterna sounds positively superb compared to these latest 2 songs.
I get Lux Aeterna stuck in my head from time to time and I'm not upset about it.
These 2 newer songs are boring.
Quote from: The Butcher on March 01, 2023, 08:13:45 PMthe song just contains St.Angeresque potassium benzoate.
I've read people saying that part of this song is on Some Kind of Monster, the one Lar's da told them to delete :laugh:
I was interested until 1.12, then it shit the bed...a plodding mess of a song..
What the fuck was that solo? That's warming up on a hangover level playing, not a solo for an album!
unlistenable
My goodness this band could live and tour off of their existing discography for the rest of their lives yet they still embarrass themselves with this midlife "let's get the band back to together" crisis dad muck. They just happened to create 4 incredible albums and fall off a cliff.
has anyone seen this? I think playing like this really suits the band these days instead of doing the metal mid life thing. I'd love if they did a tour of this kind playing covers instead of banging out Enter Sandman and all the new stuff nobody cares about. Maybe just me?
Quote from: Necro Red on March 03, 2023, 10:17:43 AM has anyone seen this? I think playing like this really suits the band these days instead of doing the metal mid life thing. I'd love if they did a tour of this kind playing covers instead of banging out Enter Sandman and all the new stuff nobody cares about. Maybe just me?
This is exactly where Hetfield, in particular, seems most comfortable these days. Certainly makes more sense than the latest by-numbers shite they're peddling.
Quote from: Necro Red on March 03, 2023, 10:17:43 AMhas anyone seen this? I think playing like this really suits the band these days instead of doing the metal mid life thing. I'd love if they did a tour of this kind playing covers instead of banging out Enter Sandman and all the new stuff nobody cares about. Maybe just me?
One of the comments on YouTube said to listen to the new song at 1.5 speed, and you know what? It's a lot better! ;D Still a fairly crappy song, but at least now it sounds like an outtake from the AJFA sessions rather than the Hardwired sessions.
Quote from: Mooncat on March 04, 2023, 05:36:14 PMOne of the comments on YouTube said to listen to the new song at 1.5 speed, and you know what? It's a lot better! ;D Still a fairly crappy song, but at least now it sounds like an outtake from the AJFA sessions rather than the Hardwired sessions.
Quote from: Mooncat on March 04, 2023, 05:36:14 PMOne of the comments on YouTube said to listen to the new song at 1.5 speed, and you know what? It's a lot better! ;D Still a fairly crappy song, but at least now it sounds like an outtake from the AJFA sessions rather than the Hardwired sessions.
That works pretty well for the last few Maiden albums too
Ah you can't compare Maiden some very decent stuff on Senjutsu and Book of Souls. Both 3/5 albums. Metallica haven't gone above 2/5 since Load.
Different approaches but both as bad as each other. Maiden just release the same album over and over again. Very few of their latter day albums have any repeat listening value in them. At least Metallica have branched out here and there so I'd tip my hat to them slightly for that.
I agree. I find the more recent Maiden albums utterly tedious affairs. Songs that go on and on but never get anywhere. I don't find much charm in anything I've heard since AMOLAD which I liked at the time, even if it too was bloated. You could at least hand it to them and say that recent Maiden albums are focused and coherent in their dullness.
Metallica sound like a band that has been flailing blindly for the past two or more decades, completely out of touch with any sort of creative spark. I often try to find something to get excited about but never return to anything post The Black Album. A few cool tunes across Load and Reload, ignoring the bloat, but the later stuff sounds like a band who have had the creative parts of their collective brains scooped out, and are desperately scrambling for a single good idea.
They may have been abducted by aliens in the mid 90s and brain damaged during extended bouts of probing. We should keep that in mind.
Do new Metallica kids even think this is good?,imagine this scutter was your introduction to to the band!
Most charitable interpretation of Metallica is to say that, up until St.Anger, they were experimenting, even if the results of some of those experiments were monstrous (ba-dum-tish!). Everything since that has been worse in the sense that it's them trying but failing to recapture something that used to come seemingly naturally to them. Though it didn't come naturally; they spent hours and hours and hours passionately perfecting every track on those first albums. There is no way on earth they are putting even a fraction of the energy into composition and re-composition as they were at their peak. And I'm putting in as little time as that in return; don't think there's a single post-St.Anger song I've listened to (intentionally) more than once, and at least half of them I've never heard at all.
You can watch 'making ofs' on YouTube of Death Magnetic and Hardwired and see the problem.
They're not writing songs, they sit in a room with an engineer on the clock and quite literally copy and paste riffs together until the track is 7-8 minutes long and then call it a song.
I haven't listened to the last two tracks, but DM and Hardwired I always thought it was bizarre how amateur or basic the production was for a band who have unlimited resources.
There's no harmonies, vocal layers, interesting uses of reverb or delay, just anything to add a bit of gravitas, I'm not saying they have to turn into My Bloody Valentine, but this is Metallica for fuck sake, with all due respect to other thrash bands, in the 80s they just had that sense of grandeur that set them apart from everyone else.
Now their music sounds like anything a random lad could throw together in a daw in their bedroom.
Yeah I haven't even listened to the new one there because I know it's pointless. I actually enjoyed the last one the 2 times I listened to it but I still wouldn't reach for it again for any reason because there's just no point it's middling at best but only for someone who's stuck with them over the years.
All the previous comments about the songwriting are fair enough, they just don't have any spark at all and there's nothing creative going on.
I still like up as far as Black and some of the Loads but even with all the goodwill built up over the years it ends there. St Anger, Death Magnetic and the last one just don't really have anything to justify the status of the band and I wouldn't even go see them live again if I was given a free ticket and backstage passes and it was 50 yards from my gaff.
Find memories of the old albums which I still throw on here and there but it's well and truly over
I would have thought with Hetfield falling off the wagon and going through a divorce he would be full of piss amd vinegar and it would have translated into fury.
Not scratch the surface, fury I mean real deep down genuine channeled genuine grief, rage and pure passion.
Perhaps on examination the lyrics will reveal something like this.
He is apparently acting in am upcoming western film. He has a dark moody country album in him which I'd love to hear.
On the production front the drum sound is baffling. It sounds triggered to shit. As far as the song writing goes, who knows.
These four men whilst they have grown old together and been through the wars and come out far wealthier than ever imagined, there is no way they could touch the pure joyous attack of the earlier stuff.
Who among us are the same or capable of recreating the same artistic spark we did in our early 20's.
It's impossible to walk on their shoes but I can testify hand on heart that I still get the chills and holy shit moments from old and new music .
I wonder do they.
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Double post
Quote from: Circlepit on March 05, 2023, 10:04:54 PMWho among us are the same or capable of recreating the same artistic spark we did in our early 20's.
Isn't that the whole problem with them though? That they are
trying to recapture the spark of their early 20s rather than just being who they are now? It's just a limp, blatant cash grab at this point. Do you reckon any of these guys even listen to metal as a fan anymore, or have done in years? Who knows, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
Quote from: Mooncat on March 05, 2023, 10:39:24 PMQuote from: Circlepit on March 05, 2023, 10:04:54 PMWho among us are the same or capable of recreating the same artistic spark we did in our early 20's.
Isn't that the whole problem with them though? That they are trying to recapture the spark of their early 20s rather than just being who they are now? It's just a limp, blatant cash grab at this point. Do you reckon any of these guys even listen to metal as a fan anymore, or have done in years? Who knows, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
It's definitely weak but they definitely don't need the money
QuoteWho among us are the same or capable of recreating the same artistic spark we did in our early 20's.
A valid point but the difference with these guys is they've made an obnoxious amount of money and I said it earlier that they are immune to the dips in popularity experienced by any other act at some point in their career. I think the two factors combined means there's literally no drive for them to get in there and make music, their backs have never been against the wall. The whole writing process looks excruciating for them.
Aside from the albums being cack they spend the time in between on hair brained ideas that should haemorrhage (and probably do) money yet they emerge the other side of it unscathed - Lulu, Through The Never, Orion Festival etc etc
The only Lulu track I heard was one they played on Jools Holland and it there is nothing more to say on that.
That film concert thing though. I saw a bit of that. That was a car crash.
My comment about them no longer being in their 20's and the diminishing amount of grit and swagger was not an effort at defending them. I suppose I'm just sad at how poor the whole thing has become.
It will still sell shit loads and the upcoming tour will be massive.
I'd pay him to not say tallica loves you.
QuoteMy comment about them no longer being in their 20's and the diminishing amount of grit and swagger was not an effort at defending them. I suppose I'm just sad at how poor the whole thing has become.
Ah yeah, didn't think you were defending them. There's so many bands that are in similar age bracket that at least have kept up a reasonable standard with their recorded output and that in itself is a sad yardstick to apply to Metallica.
QuoteWho among us are the same or capable of recreating the same artistic spark we did in our early 20's.
It's not that their music isn't the same or has the energy and vitality of their youth, it's more that they've completely lost touch with whatever it was which made them good and nobody in their camp is brave enough to say it out loud. There are a few older bands who still release interesting new music, I'd say the likes of Voivod, Napalm Death, Sepultura, Anthrax, Living Colour, Killing Joke (if they ever release anything new again) for a start. They're bands who never stopped trying to progress, though, they never appeared embarrassed of their old stuff but also never tried to regurgitate it. They aways changed with every album, trying for something new. 'Tallica's thing of being an angry teenager trapped in a middle-aged man's body trying to capture the vibe of MOP in such a weak and contrived way just hasn't worked. It doesn't help that they're dominated, creatively, by a couple of fucking wankers who, lost whatever musical genius they possessed before the start of the century, to the point that it appears they are completely unable to write interesting, intelligent and heartfelt music (as SKOM perfectly illustrates). They turned their back on metal a long time ago and should have kept going in that direction because at least it was genuine.
Quote'Tallica's thing of being an angry teenager trapped in a middle-aged man's body trying to capture the vibe of MOP in such a weak and contrived way just hasn't worked. It doesn't help that they're dominated, creatively, by a couple of fucking wankers who, lost whatever musical genius they possessed before the start of the century, to the point that it appears they are completely unable to write interesting, intelligent and heartfelt music (as SKOM perfectly illustrates). They turned their back on metal a long time ago and should have kept going in that direction because at least it was genuine.
Perfect - Spot On!
That's it in a nutshell.
This new album has the dreaded self produced tag on top of it. Oh for a songwriting partner.
Anyway.
Personally, I think the age thing is bollocks. Hans Zimmer produced arguably his most creatively original score for Dune, when he was 63. If Metallica had continued with the kind of creative motivation they had up until And Justice... (accepting certain creative mistakes of that album to be, forgive the image, due to a bump in the road) they could have carried on writing rich, emotive music indefinitely, without even having to limit themselves to recreating what they'd done before. They decided to aim for fame instead and lost themselves between their past, present, and future. They've repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be lost ever since. Even now, in trying to get back to where they began, they're aiming at recreating the final product instead of the process that led to it. But their age has nothing to do with it imo. The originating artistic path choice errors were made when they were still in their late 20s.
Really the Black album was the fork in the road. At the time it came out it was great but nothing was very good after that. Look at Priest.. lost their way a bit with Turbo and Ram it Down but roared back with their best album in years with Painkiller. Even 2018 album was good.
Tbf, on the last album I do think with Priest they had a bit of an advantage bringing in younger guitarists to aid with the songwriting.
Can't imagine Hetfield being as willing to hand over the mantle like that.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/mar/14/metallica-buy-vinyl-factory-thrash-metallers-format?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=fb_us&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1678816390
Greed knows no bounds
Sure, they'll make money off it, but is this move not just good business sense? Plenty of smaller bands and labels, had they the funds, would jump at the opportunity to buy into a vinyl factory if it meant an end to the production delays caused by Taylor Swift, etc., fans for whom vinyl are mere collectibles.
Quote from: astfgyl on March 05, 2023, 07:00:08 PMI still like up as far as Black and some of the Loads but even with all the goodwill built up over the years it ends there. St Anger, Death Magnetic and the last one just don't really have anything to justify the status of the band and I wouldn't even go see them live again if I was given a free ticket and backstage passes and it was 50 yards from my gaff.
Find memories of the old albums which I still throw on here and there but it's well and truly over
How in the name of God are people still writing posts like this in 2023, you are the most boring people alive.
Do you think perhaps that there's maybe one good album of material spread across the two Loads? Did you think that had they taken the direction hinted at by -Human/No Leaf Clover in 1999 would have been a positive shift for the band? Have you strong thoughts about the drum sound on St Anger?
Quote from: Squigs on March 15, 2023, 02:55:43 PMQuote from: astfgyl on March 05, 2023, 07:00:08 PMI still like up as far as Black and some of the Loads but even with all the goodwill built up over the years it ends there. St Anger, Death Magnetic and the last one just don't really have anything to justify the status of the band and I wouldn't even go see them live again if I was given a free ticket and backstage passes and it was 50 yards from my gaff.
Find memories of the old albums which I still throw on here and there but it's well and truly over
How in the name of God are people still writing posts like this in 2023, you are the most boring people alive.
Do you think perhaps that there's maybe one good album of material spread across the two Loads? Did you think that had they taken the direction hinted at by -Human/No Leaf Clover in 1999 would have been a positive shift for the band? Have you strong thoughts about the drum sound on St Anger?
Maybe I should've written a really exciting post like your one?
If you're that bored why not just stay out of it?
To answer your questions though, I used to think there was one great album to be had from the Loads but they have aged pretty badly and now it's more like an ep to be had from them.
No leaf clover and -human didn't exactly hint at a new direction either, they were just half decent Load type songs with an orchestra making them seem more interesting.
Lastly, the songs on St Anger are so bad that the awful drum sound is really a moot point.
So have you got anything of use to add to the discussion yourself in 2023, or did you just tip in with the exciting contribution that my post was boring to you?
Good man yourself.
I'll just let ChatGPT take the conversation from here.
Metallica's musical output from 1991 has been a subject of much debate and criticism among the band's long-time fans. The departure from their earlier works was a significant turning point in their career, and many fans felt that the band had lost touch with their roots.
Their 1991 album, "Metallica," commonly known as the "Black Album," marked a significant shift in the band's musical direction. While their previous albums were characterized by thrash metal, the Black Album embraced a more mainstream heavy metal sound with slower tempos, simplified song structures, and a more polished production style.
While the Black Album was a commercial success, it was met with mixed reactions from Metallica's long-time fans, many of whom felt that the band had abandoned their aggressive, raw sound in favor of a more accessible sound that lacked the energy and intensity of their earlier works.
Subsequent releases such as "Load" and "Reload" further alienated long-time fans. These albums featured a more alternative rock-influenced sound, and the band's image and style underwent a significant transformation with haircuts, clothing, and a more commercial-friendly approach to their music.
The shift in Metallica's sound and image led many long-time fans to feel like the band had sold out and lost touch with their roots. While subsequent albums like "St. Anger" and "Death Magnetic" attempted to recapture some of the band's earlier sound and energy, they failed to resonate with many fans who had already moved on from the band.
Many Metallica fans have held out hope on multiple occasions for a return to the band's original sound. For example, when Metallica announced that they were working on their ninth studio album, "Death Magnetic," in 2008, many fans were excited at the prospect of a return to their thrash metal roots.
"Death Magnetic" was marketed as a return to the band's earlier sound, with a focus on faster tempos, complex song structures, and raw production values. While the album was generally well-received by fans and critics, some felt that it didn't quite capture the magic of the band's earlier works.
Similarly, when Metallica released their latest album, "Hardwired... to Self-Destruct," in 2016, fans were hopeful that it would be a return to form for the band. While the album did feature some heavier tracks, it was also criticized for being overly long and lacking the energy and intensity of their earlier works.
Today, many Metallica fans no longer feel like they're the band they first fell in love with. While the band continues to tour and release new music, their legacy is often associated with their earlier works, and many fans remain critical of their more recent output.
Throughout the years, Metallica has made various statements about their musical direction, with some members expressing a desire to return to their roots, while others have emphasized the importance of evolving and trying new things.
Despite this, many fans continue to hold out hope for a return to the band's thrash metal roots, while others have come to accept and even appreciate the band's evolution and experimentation. Ultimately, Metallica's legacy is a complex and multifaceted one, and it is up to individual fans to decide which aspects of the band's musical output they connect with the most.
Great, so you had so little to offer to the thread yourself that you got chatGPT to write it.
People who use chatGPT to write their responses are the most boring people on earth.
Quote from: Squigs on March 15, 2023, 02:55:43 PMHow in the name of God are people still writing posts like this in 2023, you are the most boring people alive.
Squigs, I feel like you're projecting some insecurities about the Internet. Do you need a hug 🫂
I abandoned Metallica as soon as I had let 'The Black Album' sink in fully. I hated it then, still do now. Never looked back. Ultimately I would like to thank them for making me retreat down a rabbit hole of more extreme music, like the burgeoning death metal scene at the time and the industrial scene, hardcore, noise etc. Thanks Metallica!
No interest in this new one either, it isn't made for someone like me and that's OK. I still have the first 4 albums to enjoy. My favourite is 'Justice', which sounds great by the way.. no need for any Jason to make it better.
Quote from: leatherface on March 16, 2023, 09:53:31 AMI abandoned Metallica as soon as I had let 'The Black Album' sink in fully. I hated it then, still do now. Never looked back. Ultimately I would like to thank them for making me retreat down a rabbit hole of more extreme music, like the burgeoning death metal scene at the time and the industrial scene, hardcore, noise etc. Thanks Metallica!
No interest in this new one either, it isn't made for someone like me and that's OK. I still have the first 4 albums to enjoy. My favourite is 'Justice', which sounds great by the way.. no need for any Jason to make it better.
A fella sent me a link to the latest one and said it wasn't bad but just couldn't do it, it'd be like poking a dead thing with a stick to see if it's as smelly as I thought it'd be. Then again some hillbillies do eat the roadkill so best of luck to anyone who finds it palatable.
I'd even go as far as Black but I can fully see why someone who was on board before that would draw the line there.
Kill Em All is undoubtedly the worst of the first 4 but there's a case to be made for any of the other 3 to be the best depending on the mood
Quote from: astfgyl on March 16, 2023, 02:05:33 PMQuote from: leatherface on March 16, 2023, 09:53:31 AMI abandoned Metallica as soon as I had let 'The Black Album' sink in fully. I hated it then, still do now. Never looked back. Ultimately I would like to thank them for making me retreat down a rabbit hole of more extreme music, like the burgeoning death metal scene at the time and the industrial scene, hardcore, noise etc. Thanks Metallica!
No interest in this new one either, it isn't made for someone like me and that's OK. I still have the first 4 albums to enjoy. My favourite is 'Justice', which sounds great by the way.. no need for any Jason to make it better.
'Kill 'em All' has the unfortunate position of 'first' album so it gets flack for sure, but still has some tasty riffs to enjoy throughout (Mustaine?).
It's pointless arguing about this band anyway, they stubbornly play what they want and that's been the case for quite some time. Like what you like.
A fella sent me a link to the latest one and said it wasn't bad but just couldn't do it, it'd be like poking a dead thing with a stick to see if it's as smelly as I thought it'd be. Then again some hillbillies do eat the roadkill so best of luck to anyone who finds it palatable.
I'd even go as far as Black but I can fully see why someone who was on board before that would draw the line there.
Kill Em All is undoubtedly the worst of the first 4 but there's a case to be made for any of the other 3 to be the best depending on the mood
Kill em All would surprise you. Actually I'm thinking it's up there with Puppets
Quote from: Don Gately on March 18, 2023, 11:45:09 AMKill em All would surprise you. Actually I'm thinking it's up there with Puppets
I just think it's a bit primitive compared to the next 3 but maybe that's the charm for some
Kill Em All is savage, you muppets.
Ah yeah I'm not suggesting it's bad or anything but still reckon the next 3 are better
It's great but just not up the standard of the next three. Rooted in NWOBHM worship (which is no bad thing), yet to find their iwn sound. The bass solo has no place on it and I'm not a fan of The Four Horsemen, but otherwise it's great. Phantom Lord and Jump In The Fire are personal favourites.
It was actually the first Metallica tape I ever got. I had obviously heard them through friends but i can't remember which albums I heard back then- probably Master- and I got Kill Em All, Jailbreak and Blow Up Your Video for my birthday when I was around 8 or 9. Kill Em All blew my mind and the other two hardly got a look in. In retrospect, yes, the following two are better but I think Kill Em All has that nostalgic value for me that pushes it up beside Ride and Master. Justice is cool but my least favourite of the four.
Kill 'Em All was actually the last of the first four that I got, years after the other three. (It was only when I started heading off on the bus to Galway or Dublin that I spent the pocket money on filling the holes in my early metal collection. Picked up the others from local shops or market stalls. Ah the pleasure of coming out of Freebird with a bag full of secondhand metal tapes, wearing out the walkman batteries on the bus/train home.) That's probably why the others hold up better for me, I had the opposite nostalgia effect.
I had Masters at the top of the list for decades but switched to Ride a few years back. It's their only perfect album for me, not a dud on it (Escape is brilliant, shut up) and the best sounding one too.
I was the opposite: Ride was my number one forever until only a few years back when I surprised myself by clicking with MoP as a whole album in a way I never exactly had with RtL.
Kill 'Em All is amazing though. Love his vocals on it throughout.
Leper Messiah and (to an extent, depends on mood) Disposable Heroes let it down for me. The former is just so clunky it takes me out of it, the latter just seems rushed. On the other hand, you have their heaviest song in The Thing That Should Not Be, those first 3 songs are magnificent. Orion speaks for itself, mighty.
It probably flows better as an album than RTL but that one just comes together better for me these days.
Just the sign of truly great music, innit; that even after christ knows how many listens, it continues to resonate in subtly and then sometimes radically new ways. Which is also why I'll never apologize for still talking about Metallica, because they just do embody so many of the mysteries about the creation of art 8) :abbath:
Quote from: Carnage on March 18, 2023, 02:01:26 PMLeper Messiah and (to an extent, depends on mood) Disposable Heroes let it down for me. The former is just so clunky it takes me out of it, the latter just seems rushed. On the other hand, you have their heaviest song in The Thing That Should Not Be, those first 3 songs are magnificent. Orion speaks for itself, mighty.
It probably flows better as an album than RTL but that one just comes together better for me these days.
I think Disposable Heroes is one of my favourites on MoP but yeah Leper Messiah is a bit pedestrian for me at times. I'd say I've listened to MoP and Justice far more than RTL over the years but I don't think it's because it's worse I just didn't get into it until after the other two
Anytime I listen to the first 3 I try to imagine what it was like back when they were released.
It must have been something amazing heating them as they came out.
MOP is my favourite, it's still fantastic listen.
Kill Em All is savage and then depending on the day it's Ride or Justice.
Having said that, Creeping Death has to be in my top 5 songs of theirs.
Creeping Death is a fucking unreal tune and contains one of the best 1 minute of a tune imaginable.
Anyway other than that I was wondering:
Is there anyone on the forum here that doesn't like any bit of Metallica at all?
Also garage Inc is decent but no one ever says that
It says a lot about the quality of the first four that people consider songs like Escape or Leper Messiah as lesser songs, while the majority of their peers in the thrash scene were padding 35 minute records with rubbish cover songs.
Yeah that's fair, because there's no way they're bad tunes at all but there's a high bar set with those albums and the peaks are real peaks
Garage Inc. has one decent disc, actually maybe an hour's worth of decent covers. Whiskey In The Jar is irredeemably awful though. To the level of being enough to put me off going to Slane that year - that and the fact that The Cure were playing the same day, though I couldn't get a ticket for that gig.
Whiskey in the jar fries me as well. The time up in the RDS when the crowd gave the whole gig begging for it was one of those embarrassed to be Irish moments for me and I was delighted when hetfield had to come out and say it couldn't be done because of the lighting or pyro.
Still have a soft spot for most of the rest of Garage Inc though. It used to be one of the only things on the jukebox in the local as a teenager so many a punt was spent on it. Suppose it's just a time and place thing for me
QuoteWhiskey in the jar fries me as well. The time up in the RDS when the crowd gave the whole gig begging for it was one of those embarrassed to be Irish moments for me and I was delighted when hetfield had to come out and say it couldn't be done because of the lighting or pyro.
Spot on!
Garage Inc. I had completely forgotten about that album. Have it around somewhere, must dig it out. Was surprised back in the day how much I liked it. Was rooting around hmv or Virgin back then and remember, cool Metallica have a new album I had not heard about.
Got home and realised it was a covers album but still liked it.
Btw before someone chimes in just stream it, I'd rather tear the house apart :laugh: and find the cd to play in the car.
Streaming me hole. :o
I'll listen to Garage Inc over Load/Reload any day of the week.
I do think the four Motorhead covers are shit, and I'm not fond of the Mercyful Fate Medley.
The Diamond Head covers are class, particularly The Prince, and Hetfield's voice sounds great on Tuesday's Gone and Loverman. Astronomy, Turn the Page and Sabbra Cadabra are great also.
I actually quite like their version of Whiskey, but yes it was painful to listen to the RDS crowd constantly shouting for it. Two years in a row.
Think I'll lash it on this evening if I decide to go down the cans road. Hopefully it's holding well because after years of sticking up for the Loads (mostly the first one tbf) I had them on a while back and I think age is not being terribly kind to them bar a few songs
Quote from: Giggles on March 19, 2023, 05:25:31 PMI'll listen to Garage Inc over Load/Reload any day of the week.
I do think the four Motorhead covers are shit, and I'm not fond of the Mercyful Fate Medley.
The Diamond Head covers are class, particularly The Prince, and Hetfield's voice sounds great on Tuesday's Gone and Loverman. Astronomy, Turn the Page and Sabbra Cadabra are great also.
I actually quite like their version of Whiskey, but yes it was painful to listen to the RDS crowd constantly shouting for it. Two years in a row.
Their version of Astronomy is class and I think easily surpasses the original
https://youtu.be/HSLJydRNgXQ
I'm not sure if many of ye have heard this but this is the best version of Justice with bass imo. He has used some of the original bass tracks for some of the songs.
The first time I listened to this with proper headphones it was like discovering it all over again.
My favourite Metallica album and I feel that this is where melodic death metal began.
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Well I found it, plus I also have the dreaded single. :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on March 18, 2023, 01:49:00 PMKill 'Em All is amazing though. Love his vocals on it throughout.
Yeah his vocals on this are unreal. It's a pity it's my least favourite of the first 4 but the vocals are deadly on it.
I'm always switching my favourite between the first four. The ideal would be an album of KEA's energy, sound of RTL, MOP's songwriting, and Hetfields AJFA vocals
Quote from: blessed1 on March 19, 2023, 07:21:37 PMhttps://youtu.be/HSLJydRNgXQ
I'm not sure if many of ye have heard this but this is the best version of Justice with bass imo. He has used some of the original bass tracks for some of the songs.
The first time I listened to this with proper headphones it was like discovering it all over again.
My favourite Metallica album and I feel that this is where melodic death metal began.
Must have tried about ten of those justice for Jason things over the years and they do give a great excuse to run through the album again but I always end up thinking that the original mix is where it's at in all its stone cold glory.
Thinking of KEA and the vocals on Motorbreath take some beating
I bought 'Garage Days' back then as an EP, still have the tape. 'The Small Hours' is overlooked.
Well I just listened to the two discs of the 97 or 98 version and I didn't overlook The Small Hours at all. Class tune on there.
Here's a couple of things I was thinking:
The Metallica version of The Wait is far far better than the original and that's coming from someone who loves Killing Joke there's no contest though.
The two discs of Garage Inc if they were taken purely objectively and entirely on their own merits (same thing but doubling down for effect) are better than Black and the Loads put together.
Anyone fancy taking that one on?
QuoteThe two discs of Garage Inc if they were taken purely objectively and entirely on their own merits (same thing but doubling down for effect) are better than Black and the Loads put together.
Anyone fancy taking that one on?
It's a bit of a sweeping statement, the short answer for me would be it isn't better than Black + Loads Put together. There's sections of the record that would lay the others to waste but I'm rolling with your criteria here of taking the two discs as a whole. I think the original Garage Days is untouchable; Helpless, The Wait, Small Hours etc but there's some real vomit and inconsistency there. Whiskey is stomach churning but another track that seems to escape the same critique is Tuesday's Gone, if I never hear their version of that track again that'll be ok with me. In fact, it's the first disc that commits the most crimes, the Discharge cover is a poor choice, certainly a poor choice of opener. I'm almost forgetting the Nick Cave cover, butchered! Then the metal stuff on that disc like the Mercyful Fate stuff comes across as workmanlike and pointless.
The second disc as mentioned works better, I am fond of a lot of those b-sides and the first Garage Days ep so it's great to have those in one collection, but then the Motorhead stuff is tacked on at the end and is as pointless as the Mercyful fate medley. All in all it's something I rarely reach for.
No need to discuss the Black Album, it is what it is. But the Load/Reload records are the last time the band gave a shit about what they wrote. It's the natural endpoint to their musical evolution. It's far too bloated but there's some great tracks across the two records, and some of the ones I didn't rate at the time have grown on me, Carpe Diem Baby for example. They sound far more natural than anything they've put out over the last twenty years or more.
If you don't fancy reading all that Load has Outlaw Torn. Therefore Load > Garage
Second disc is certainly far better but other than whiskey I like the first too. I think it helps that I didn't know any of the originals when it came out so couldn't tell if they were being butchered or not and that's likely what went against whiskey as well was that I did know it well.
Thoroughly enjoyed lashing it on last night and still buzzed harder off it than last time I heard the two Loads although maybe adding Black in there was a step too far.
Probably a bit apples and oranges putting original material against covers anyway but when I don't know the originals it might as well be their own stuff to me
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on March 20, 2023, 07:23:06 AMWhiskey is stomach churning but another track that seems to escape the same critique is Tuesday's Gone, if I never hear their version of that track again that'll be ok with me.
What's so stomach churning about Whiskey? I don't think it's a bad cover. I wouldn't go out of my way to listen to it, but I don't mind when it comes on.
Garage Inc. 2CD is a great compilation.
I probably wouldn't have appreciated it as much if it was just the first disc, but adding the EP and b-sides on disc 2 was a good call.
The first disc is definitely the best work they've done post-Black album.
And I quite like their Whiskey cover. They had fun with it and didn't take it too seriously. Turn The Page, Sabbra Cadabra and Astronomy are the standouts.
Have they played many (if any) of the covers from disc 1 live, does anyone know?
Garage days revisited was probably in my Walkman as much as any of their albums when I was a kid. It's fantastic, love the production on it.
Same as that. They released a remastered version of it a couple of years ago, I wonder if there's any difference in quality (their album remasters haven't sounded all that different to my ears anyway). That might defeat the purpose of it though.
The second Garage Inc. disc is the best obviously, the first is quite hit and miss. I quite like Tuesday's Gone, as others have said an album in that style would have gone down well. The Fate and Sabbath medleys are grand, though I'd prefer full songs.
The Motorhead tracks on disc 2 are mighty, dunno why they're getting slated. I find So What incredibly cringeworthy these days though, even more so than Whiskey. Killing Time was the pick of that era's covers for me.
I'm sure we all agree that the original Garage Days Revisited and Re-Revisited tracks are the best of the bunch.
I have Garage Inc. on CD. I can't remember getting it, if it was a gift or what. I am sure I must have put it on at some point but I can't remember, but sure, after all this prattle here I've pulled it off the shelf for inspection tomorrow. I'm familiar with the Garage Days stuff although I haven't listened to it in a long time- I always preferred the albums myself- but the 98 covers stuff I can barely remember apart from Migraine in the Jar.
At 16 Metallica were deeply uncool to me. It was a few years before I returned to them and realised I still loved the early stuff. The fucking state of them in 98 in fairness. They looked shit, their new logo was shit and they had fairly lost their way by then so it'll be interesting to see how my old ears take to this stuff now.
Quote from: jobrok1 on March 21, 2023, 07:59:57 AMHave they played many (if any) of the covers from disc 1 live, does anyone know?
From wikipedia:
Quote"Free Speech for the Dumb", "Loverman", "Astronomy", "The More I See" and "Bridge of Sighs" have never been performed live.
I'm assuming that means that they must have played the others at some point, according to Wikipedia anyway.
Quote from: CarnageI quite like Tuesday's Gone, as others have said an album in that style would have gone down well
I think it sounds great. I was just getting into Skynyrd around the time I heard this album, and thought it was class to hear Metallica cover this song with one of Skynyrd's guitarists.
This youtube vid of Fight Fire With Fire performed live in 86 appeared on my recommended this morning. Fucking ferocious:
https://youtu.be/Tr6vMzZtoXY
Quote from: Eoin McLove on March 21, 2023, 09:42:44 AMAt 16 Metallica were deeply uncool to me. It was a few years before I returned to them and realised I still loved the early stuff. The fucking state of them in 98 in fairness. They looked shit, their new logo was shit and they had fairly lost their way by then so it'll be interesting to see how my old ears take to this stuff now.
I was 16 when somebody gave me a lend of Load and Reload, and he said they weren't good albums. At that point, I'd heard the first 5 records and Garage Inc, thought they were the coolest band on the planet.
I remember looking at the booklet wondering what the fuck was up with Kirk's face, but also thinking that the graphics on the flying V were so fucking cool, how could this album not be good?
I listened to them both once the whole way through and never did so again. That was 20 years ago, might revisit them for shits and giggles.
I tried to listen to St. Anger last year, almost made it past the 5th song I think.
Quote from: Giggles on March 21, 2023, 12:26:20 PMThis youtube vid of Fight Fire With Fire performed live in 86 appeared on my recommended this morning. Fucking ferocious:
https://youtu.be/Tr6vMzZtoXY
Jesus, that's fairly ripping alright. Was that the Ozzy tour? Might have been a 'bump' or two taken.
Newsted on bass, would have been after the Ozzy tour. The full set is powder-fuelled. Amazing stuff. They were so fucking good :laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7oK3oG0sY
Aye fucking gunpowder! :laugh:
I love that Canada gig. It's possibly the best one out there.
Played Die Die My Darling in the point back in 98. Went down a treat. Other than that I think I've only heard Whiskey in the Jar at the same gig they wheeled out Eric Bell for it
I stuck on Garage Inc. today and enjoyed it for the most part. Funny how much less irritating Jayumsah's yeaheee-yeaagghs are to me these days. Maybe because I was expecting to be irked by his vocals they didn't seem as bad a I remembered. Maybe it's from 30+ years of exposure, my ears have toughened up a bit. Whatever the explanation I thought the album sounded a lot better than I did in 98. I might fire on Garage Days tomorrow for the spin home 8)
I stuck it on at work today myself (just the second disc, that's all I had on the phone) went down very well I must say. I was just hoping nobody came in during So What, that would have been fun to explain.
Tuesday's Gone is awful. Sounds like a drunken jam session. Probably fun to have been at but painful to listen to :o
My favourite off that set is The Prince. I can just picture a whole room of people going absolutely apeshit to that in a small club, sweat dripping off the walls type atmosphere. Stone Cold Crazy is a surprisingly excellent cover too, Hetfield's voice really suits it.
In terms of the general Metallica talk, I'd say RtL is my favourite. Puppets is probably a little bit more consistent overall, but for me the best parts of RtL are the best parts of Metallica in general. Not to be too dramatic, but they're arguably the best parts of metal as a genre overall.
Well, erm, thank you YT algorithm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OeC9CGtWcM
Ye'll never guess, but it's not great.
The well is most certainly gone dry...
As someone who has most of the bands releases (albums, singles, all the big album boxsets, DVDs, books), I can safely say that this is one that won't be getting bought. Zero in any of the 4 songs to encourage me to buy it.
8½ minutes of it, fucking hell. Pick a tempo lads, while ye're at it.
I quite enjoyed that actually!
I'd listen to it and Lux Aeterna again.
Not the other two though. Can't even remember what they were called.
It starts off quite well. Then they fucked ot up by shoe-horning the terrible thrashy bit at 01:20. Just give it up, Lads!
When they reigned it back in it was kinda OK again.
Lyrics are utter garbage, though.
They just need to drop the 'forced thrash' and be a half decent rock band.
Ya it's fine
All I hear is Hetfield singing 'Rack of lamb'... Maybe cos it's dinner time but I can't unhear it!
Are them and Maiden legitimately in a contest to discover the most pissy guitar tone known to man.. fkn horrendous for nearly 3 decades... One can get a better tone from an app in their phone
Plus the song is complete dogshit as expected
Quote from: Deranged Bear! on March 30, 2023, 06:03:22 PMAll I hear is Hetfield singing 'Rack of lamb'... Maybe cos it's dinner time but I can't unhear it!
I thought it was 'Back Door Man'
It's 4 minutes too long. Yeah, it's 8½ minutes too long, but it's 4 minutes too long. They just can't stop a fucking song without beating the fucking thing to death.
Quote from: Bürggermeister on March 30, 2023, 06:36:13 PMQuote from: Deranged Bear! on March 30, 2023, 06:03:22 PMAll I hear is Hetfield singing 'Rack of lamb'... Maybe cos it's dinner time but I can't unhear it!
I thought it was 'Back Door Man'
It's 4 minutes too long. Yeah, it's 8½ minutes too long, but it's 4 minutes too long. They just can't stop a fucking song without beating the fucking thing to death.
They were very guilty of that since Load but on the last album especially, every single song outstayed its welcome and tbf they weren't entirely welcome to begin with..
Quote from: The Great Cull on March 30, 2023, 02:54:55 PMThe well is most certainly gone dry...
As someone who has most of the bands releases (albums, singles, all the big album boxsets, DVDs, books), I can safely say that this is one that won't be getting bought. Zero in any of the 4 songs to encourage me to buy it.
I'm the same man. I have all albums on cd and the classics on vinyl. Yhe only reason I own a copy of The last album is because it came with tickets for the slane gig for an extra €2.
Quote from: Necro Red on March 31, 2023, 10:23:23 AMQuote from: The Great Cull on March 30, 2023, 02:54:55 PMThe well is most certainly gone dry...
As someone who has most of the bands releases (albums, singles, all the big album boxsets, DVDs, books), I can safely say that this is one that won't be getting bought. Zero in any of the 4 songs to encourage me to buy it.
I'm the same man. I have all albums on cd and the classics on vinyl. Yhe only reason I own a copy of The last album is because it came with tickets for the slane gig for an extra €2.
Yeah, I picked up Hardwired because it was a fiver when I was getting an order of a few other albums. Listened to it about four or five times and it's been on the shelf since. Don't even know if I'd be bothered getting this on the cheap after the singles they've put out
Just since someone mentioned it in another thread, compare Hushed & Grim by Mastodon, released 19 years after Remission, to St.Anger, released 20 years after Kill Em All. Wow, so also those two albums were released 20 and 40 years ago this year. St.Anger was 20 years ago already! Holy fuck :laugh:
20 fuckin years. Hard to believe. Funny as well how it hasn't even slightly improved with time.
Pretty sure metal hammer gave it the 10/10 as well the bastards trying to tell me it was like Justice and I skipped off on day one to buy the rotten thing
They really did dupe a lot of us with that piece of shit album. Myself included.
No joke, I'd had myself convinced by the end of the first listen that if I listened to it enough times that it'd become a Good Album
I watched the DVD before playing the actual album and thought it sounded OK (I was delighted that they sounded heavy again). Imagine my disappointment when I played the CD.
Mad to think that marks the halfway point of the career
Still think there might be a decent album in there if they fixed the sound, cut the run time and repetition, added solos, rewrite the lyrics, different artwork...so basically keep a few of the riffs and make a whole new album
Quote from: astfgyl on April 01, 2023, 03:48:55 PMPretty sure metal hammer gave it the 10/10 as well the bastards trying to tell me it was like Justice and I skipped off on day one to buy the rotten thing
I queued with a couple of mates and bought it at midnight! :laugh: :abbath:
That was one helluvan awkward listening session. I was surprised but not surprised that it was shit, but one of the mates was a hardcore fan, defended everything they ever did, and he was visibly struggling with the dissonance of the experience :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 01, 2023, 09:42:45 PMQuote from: astfgyl on April 01, 2023, 03:48:55 PMPretty sure metal hammer gave it the 10/10 as well the bastards trying to tell me it was like Justice and I skipped off on day one to buy the rotten thing
I queued with a couple of mates and bought it at midnight! :laugh: :abbath:
That was one helluvan awkward listening session. I was surprised but not surprised that it was shit, but one of the mates was a hardcore fan, defended everything they ever did, and he was visibly struggling with the dissonance of the experience :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I went to the brother's house with the fuckin thing for the public listen and I was doing some fair old mental gymnastics to convince the lad that we should listen to the end before we decided it was awful. Fackin ell basically
St. Anger deservedly gets slated but at least the guitar tone had some bit of heft to it compared to now where it just sounds so weak.
"but at least" should never be used to justify anything about stanger, not a single second, it's utter shite :)
QuotePretty sure metal hammer gave it the 10/10 as well the bastards trying to tell me it was like Justice and I skipped off on day one to buy the rotten thing
They did, and continue with sycophantic write ups. The magazines need the likes of Metallica more than ever now, makes for painful reading when they try find the angle that allows them to give it full marks.
Hushed and Grim is a great album.
Looks like Lars will be missing from the upcoming EU tour.
Megadave's Dirk Verbeuren will be sitting in for him.
Surely 2 days late, no? :laugh:
QuoteIn an email sent out to members of the press, Californian thrash metal icons Metallica has announced that drummer and founding member Lars Ulrich will be unable to join them on the upcoming European Tour. No further information was revealed, but the band asked for the press and fans to respect the drummer's privacy.
Taking his place behind the drum kit will be former Soilwork drummer Dirk Verbeuren, now of Megadeth, Bent Sea, Tronos, Brave The Cold and Kill Division. While no quote was given, Verbeuren was said to be very excited about the opportunity to perform with "America's number one thrash band" and claimed it had been a while since he was "part of a show people still wanted to see."
The musician, who has also filled in for Testament, Devin Townsend, At The Gates and Satyricon and is known for his many collaborations, is expected to also be ready to fill in for Pantera should they need him and is excited about the off days in the tour schedule, as it will give him the opportunity to form another five or six bands.
Was thinking that myself... :P
Depends when the email was dated, though.
So not beyond the realms of total bullshit. 😂
A couple of sites have run with it.
"Verbeuren was said to be very excited about the opportunity to perform with "America's number one thrash band" and claimed it had been a while since he was "part of a show people still wanted to see." ;)
There's not a single critic out there willing to tell it like it is. Just read the headline. The emperors new clothes
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/metallica-72-seasons-1234708231/
Sure just look at the YouTube comments on those songs released so far. Cunts falling over themselves to proclaim how incredible the songs are. There's a strong market for total shit!
Quote from: Rolling Stone MagazineMaking it through those first 72 seasons may have been torture for Metallica, but now they're just realizing they survived the apocalypse to share their wisdom
..... what?
:laugh:
Pure dogshit.
It's Rolling Stone, of course it's bullshit and out of touch.
I've never read Rolling Stone but I can't imagine they cover much metal beyond the dinosaurs?
Only the mainstreamest of unit-shifters
Ah they'd cover your Slayer's Metallica's and so forth.
I don't think the Metal Rags will be any different, I'm sure they're all finding a way to state that this is their best record since Justice.
They usually only cover the most mainstream stuff but occasionally they have a surprise, they reviewed Primordial a few years ago.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/where-greater-men-have-fallen-121345/amp/
Going on a bit of a deep dive they seemingly famously gave South of Heaven a scathing 1/5 review back in the day........
https://www.reddit.com/r/Slayer/comments/p5so96/rolling_stones_incoherent_original_review_of/
Haha what a review. Must listen to South, haven't done in some time
Listened to it at the weekend, still their best by miles.
Speaking of shit magazine reviews, I remember FHM (I know, I know...) saying in their review that St Anger was, "Full of thrashing riffs, Kirk's winding solos, and the usual James' cowboys round the campfire moments." They gave it 4/5. Talk about highlighting yourself as having not bothered to listen to it at all and trying to shit out a generic review and safe score to fool your editor...
I actually convinced myself it was good for a couple of weeks. Believe I acquired the skill from Phantom Menace. Teenage coping mechanisms...
Jesus the phantom menace :(
I'd only started listening to Metallica a year before St Anger came out. The anticipation of St. Anger as a teen was unreal, I was so fucking excited to hear that they were 'going back to their roots', and I was so fucking disappointed when I heard the album.
A couple of weeks later I saw my first ever live footage of them. They were playing Four Horsemen from around maybe '99 or so, and I was heartbroken that James's voice didn't sound like it did on Kill em All, as their RDS date was only a few weeks ago.
Still, class gig though.
Didn't Chuck Billy from Testament bring his St. Anger cd back to the record store and demand a refund? :laugh:
Quote from: Giggles on April 05, 2023, 05:33:30 PMI'd only started listening to Metallica a year before St Anger came out. The anticipation of St. Anger as a teen was unreal, I was so fucking excited to hear that they were 'going back to their roots', and I was so fucking disappointed when I heard the album.
A couple of weeks later I saw my first ever live footage of them. They were playing Four Horsemen from around maybe '99 or so, and I was heartbroken that James's voice didn't sound like it did on Kill em All, as their RDS date was only a few weeks ago.
Still, class gig though.
Didn't Chuck Billy from Testament bring his St. Anger cd back to the record store and demand a refund? :laugh:
Was that RDS show the one with Linkin Park where they got booed relentlessly? With The Darkness opening I think!? That was a great show. As was the Slipknot one the year after. Never been into Slipknot but their performance at that gig was unreal. Just nine people on stage giving it stacks, in the days before they had big stage shows, they were already enough of a spectacle just by themselves!
Quote from: ldj on April 05, 2023, 09:07:34 AMThey usually only cover the most mainstream stuff but occasionally they have a surprise, they reviewed Primordial a few years ago.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/where-greater-men-have-fallen-121345/amp/
Reviewed is giving them too much credit - a mere 85 words! I kept scrolling down through the ads thinking it has to continue somewhere!!
And poor Mick called a Dub - no greater insult for a Cork man! :laugh:
Fair play Chuck Billy if true! :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Mooncat on April 05, 2023, 04:41:10 PMSpeaking of shit magazine reviews, I remember FHM (I know, I know...) saying in their review that St Anger was, "Full of thrashing riffs, Kirk's winding solos, and the usual James' cowboys round the campfire moments." They gave it 4/5. Talk about highlighting yourself as having not bothered to listen to it at all and trying to shit out a generic review and safe score to fool your editor...
I actually convinced myself it was good for a couple of weeks. Believe I acquired the skill from Phantom Menace. Teenage coping mechanisms...
I was the exact same. I defended it with youthfull naivety
Right, how many of the lads here are actually going to chance the album when it's out and what does that say about that person overall?
I'll surely chance it once tbf
I'll give it a listen anyway, mught buy it for completion's sake* but not 'til it drops in price a bit. I left it a couple of years before picking up the last one.
*Relative completion, there are no circumstances under which I'd allow Lulu in the house. S&M2 and Through The Never can also fuck off.
I'd say most of us will listen to it once. There's always that niggling feeling that the lads who made RTL, MOP and AJFA must be able to do something of merit, that some of the magic is still there, even though deep down we know it's going to be shite.
Yeah that's pretty much the craic. Maybe, just maybe they'll do a Depeche Mode on it and pull their best album in over 2 decades out of the bag. They won't of course but that'll be the sort of thinking.
I've never listened to s&m2 actually. Is it very bad?
I listened to it once, basically rehashing the first one.
A truncated veraion was shown on Sky Arts a while back, that's as much as I saw/heard of it. More of the same, but with 'guests' and some of the newer songs, so it was just shite.
I'd be the same alright and am also a bit of a completist but I gave up on buying Metallica records, I would have still picked up albums by bands like Anthrax Megadeth and Slayer with similar hope that they could pull something off. They always fell short too but not as much as a latter day Metallica album which offers zero return.
Anthrax's output has been pretty consistent to be fair and there'd always be at least a few killer tracks on a Slayer album.
Can't say I'll be listening to it. Just don't have the interest anymore even for one play. Didn't listen to Hardwired either bar a curious listen of the singles.
Lux Æterna would have had me curious enough to check it out, but subsequent singles killed that pang dead.
Quote from: Mooncat on April 08, 2023, 09:48:56 PMCan't say I'll be listening to it. Just don't have the interest anymore even for one play. Didn't listen to Hardwired either bar a curious listen of the singles.
Lux Æterna would have had me curious enough to check it out, but subsequent singles killed that pang dead.
Exact same as that.
Contrary to what I was saying to that lad that was so boring I can't remember his name earlier in this thread and said that the two Loads would only make an ep I've changed my mind.
After making my own version of the cover of the first one I was inspired to turn it on and then follow it up with the second and fuck I didn't expect it but I enjoyed every minute of both of them in a row.
All is forgiven, they're both excellent or I'm losing my marbles. It's a win either way
Hardwired on now, not great
Not excited about the new album but the 2 night ~35-40 different songs tour interests me.
Metallica nowadays write songs that are the equivalent of me trying to write a song..the difference is that I know mine would be shite..
I had Load on the other day, some decent stuff there and a 3/5 album for me. Reload not as good but everything after that was downhill most definitely.
Overdrive who are usually super positive about everything slated it (though did give it 3/5 for some reason)
Refreshing to see someone call it for what it is though.
https://www.overdrive.ie/album-review-metallica-72-seasons/
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 12, 2023, 07:48:44 AMOverdrive who are usually super positive about everything slated it (though did give it 3/5 for some reason)
Refreshing to see someone call it for what it is though.
https://www.overdrive.ie/album-review-metallica-72-seasons/
Sounds like it could've been written about Hardwired with a few titles swapped out
QuoteThough it's never embarrassing, the record doesn't come close to justifying its length and limited palette. By the time we arrive at the 11-minute closer, "Inamorata," we're already well over an hour in, and are numb from the repetition.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on April 12, 2023, 08:24:18 AMQuoteThough it's never embarrassing, the record doesn't come close to justifying its length and limited palette. By the time we arrive at the 11-minute closer, "Inamorata," we're already well over an hour in, and are numb from the repetition.
How many people wrote that review? Or is it the royal we? Maybe it was written by Prince William...
Quote from: Don Gately on April 11, 2023, 11:48:40 AMI had Load on the other day, some decent stuff there and a 3/5 album for me. Reload not as good but everything after that was downhill most definitely.
I used to despise Load when I was younger. I actually think it's a solid album these days. Just a good hard rock album is all. I think the style on Load/Reload would suit the band more to play than trying too hard to be "Thrash" I'll give the new one a listen, but won't be going out of my way to buy it anytime soon. It's like the band are surrounded by yes men. Where is the producer that says " maybe shorten this song" etc? At least Bob Rock made the band practice very hard and really work. Listen to solos on black compared to the last 3 albums for example. Am I wrong?
Album has leaked and pretty much confirms what people have been talking about - Metallica being a spent force and quality control has been out the window for 2 decades at least. The strength of the first 4 albums has given them long lasting clout and sure, 1 good album in the Black album and 1 decent rock album across the next 2. I for one, love to beat this dead horse :laugh: like every metalhead has at some stage :abbath:
Is there anything to be said for another mass?
I'm going to buy it and put it on the shelf after 1 go. Why I don't know.
Quote from: astfgyl on April 13, 2023, 05:11:39 PMIs there anything to be said for another mass?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :abbath:
The main guitar riff from that Lenny Kravitz song 'Are You Gonna Go My Way' is meshed into that last song 'Inamorata' for the verses and I can't unhear it. The dual lead section towards the end is good though, probably because Hetfield wrote it.
Well, bit the bullet and stuck it on yesterday. I was working so wasn't really paying full attention but it still felt like a lot of songs melded into each other.
There was definitely some cool riffs and nice moments, Hetfield is on good form, and the bass is a lot more prominent although the production still isn't the best. It probably is the best thing they've done in 20 years, but still very much a 6/10 album
Can't understand why they didn't trim it down to 72 minutes long though
They have a real thing about using up all the minutes on the CDs
Had a listen of it there. Waaaaayyy too long altogether. Hetfields vocals sound good and some of the songs start strongly but ultimately they all go nowhere. It's like they had a handful of solid riff ideas but no idea of how to make a good song from those. I really can't fathom why they insist on such long track lengths when they haven't been able to craft music that can carry the length in decades. Not an awful album but also not one that's really worth revisiting either.
For a band that has the luxury to spend endless time in a studio, spend weeks and months crafting and honing ideas without the day to day distractions of work, to not be able to develop a single idea into a complete, sensible song is baffling. Any half decent musicians with a fraction of that time could at least muster up some music that begins somewhere and evolves into something new along the way. The very basics of song craft seem to be lost on them. Maiden are guilty of that too but at least know how to make a Maidenesque verse chorus combo, however predictable. They just don't know what to do next other than drag the tortured ring out of every idea until after 8 or 9 minutes you pray to God the cunting thing will come to an end so you can get back to watching paint dry.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on April 15, 2023, 11:14:30 AMFor a band that has the luxury to spend endless time in a studio, spend weeks and months crafting and honing ideas without the day to day distractions of work, to not be able to develop a single idea into a complete, sensible song is baffling. Any half decent musicians with a fraction of that time could at least muster up some music that begins somewhere and evolves into something new along the way. The very basics of song craft seem to be lost on them. Maiden are guilty of that too but at least know how to make a Maidenesque verse chorus combo, however predictable. They just don't know what to do next other than drag the tortured ring out of every idea until after 8 or 9 minutes you pray to God the cunting thing will come to an end so you can get back to watching paint dry.
Spot on
QuoteFor a band that has the luxury to spend endless time in a studio, spend weeks and months crafting and honing ideas without the day to day distractions of work, to not be able to develop a single idea into a complete, sensible song is baffling
Therein lies the problem, all the time and money in the world but no passion for their craft. There needs to be an element of life disruption for the creative process to truly take place, worry about a pay check, life issues and so forth, even a recording budget for a smaller band might pile the creative pressures on, the necessity to get the job done -all these lads have to worry about is what swathe of land in San Francisco or record plant they'll buy next
If you take a smaller act, they might have to work a job between album cycles meaning if they're devoting spare time to music you can be sure it's because it's what they love.
So it's baffling and it's not in a sense. The thing that blows me away is the approach they've taken since St Anger of recording snippets and stapling them together through the wizardry of pro-tools.
Yep. Zero craft, passion or even at this point understanding of what it is they are even doing. I've said it before, it's as if they have had their metal brains surgically removed and then handed back all their gear and told to go make a metal album. Durrrrrr....
And that's the other thing, St Anger was the last risk they took with something that sounded different (Not defending the content). The last three albums have sounded the exact same, this is Metallica to the end,no more surprises. As you say they have the blueprints just mix and match til you hit something between 7 and 11 minutes
They are in the position they can put out shite and it gets lapped up. They have never been more popular after at least 25 years of total mediocrity. Why would they think they are a spent force when every shit thing they release makes them even more popular?
Maybe they are actually getting better and we are all stuck in the past :o
Exactly :laugh:
Stuck it on and made it about halfway. Not much to add to what's already been said about the odd decent moment but mostly just one mediocre riff churning into the next.
To me they sound really uninspired. I've made the point before about how it sounds like none of them listen to or enjoy metal anymore as fans, so there's no fresh well of inspiration to draw upon, just churning out lesser and lesser versions of what they used to do. I put on RtL afterwards for the first time in a while and holy crap, the difference was stark in terms of the songcraft and ambition. Totally agree about the Pro Tools approach being a huge reason for how mundane the songwriting is.
There's something odd about the drums, they sound either programmed or triggered. No way is that Lars. Every hit on each drum/cymbal sounds exactly the same.
Also the lead guitar, jesus christ, it is terrible. All the reviews talking about how it's a return to form, where actually Hammett sounds like someone who has just learned the blues scale for the first time and is just kind of muddling through it. It's honestly so bad it makes me wonder if he's had a stroke or something and his brain can't just quite compute how to solo anymore.
Any takers on all bands just having a finite amount of really good songs in them before the well runs dry forever?
Quote from: The Heretic on April 15, 2023, 06:01:46 PMAny takers on all bands just having a finite amount of really good songs in them before the well runs dry forever?
No way, the trick is to remain inspired. Plenty of bands and artists that released great music throughout their entire career. Remaining inspired requires work because it takes effort to continually find new great music. You have to dig for it because it's not all as readily available to you as it was when you were a teenager and hadn't heard anything and 100s of classic albums were just low-hanging fruit. Some musicians remain huge fans and students of music their whole lives, some do not.
Quick edit to add: certain bands are also a little hamstrung by their genre. How far can Metallica really move outside of metal/hard rock? Compared to say Bowie who could have taken on any genre that he felt like.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-to-become-first-major-rock-band-to-release-all-music-videos-from-one-album-in-american-sign-language
This is possibly a good target market for them to focus on based on recent output :laugh:
Quote from: The Great Cull on April 15, 2023, 09:03:34 PMhttps://blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-to-become-first-major-rock-band-to-release-all-music-videos-from-one-album-in-american-sign-language
This is possibly a good target market for them to focus on based on recent output :laugh:
Free speech for the deaf and dumb..
Quote from: The Heretic on April 15, 2023, 06:01:46 PMAny takers on all bands just having a finite amount of really good songs in them before the well runs dry forever?
Rush were pretty consistent in their output from 1974 to 2012.
Quote from: The Heretic on April 15, 2023, 06:01:46 PMAny takers on all bands just having a finite amount of really good songs in them before the well runs dry forever?
Of the bands from that era, Voivod, Sepultura and Anthrax have been consistently interesting and whose recent material has genuine merit to it. The one thing they have in common is a real passion for the music, have continually improved as musicians, and every album is a progression from the one before it as a result. You know they would be playing music all the time at home even without their bands. Does anyone believe Hetfield, Ulrich and Hammett have a real passion for metal or improving as musicians? Or Mustaine or Kerry King for that matter?
Voivod won that particular duel in the end.
Right, a question for those who are going to cling on to the bitter end:
Is there a single song that one might hold up against Hero of the Day for example and try convince me it's better?
In thinking that no-one will be willing to give that a go.
Well there's your answer
It's currently winging its way towards me.
I've only heard the first 4 singles so I'm going to give it a full listen when it arrives.
I know it's online on all the services but I'm going to wait. Why I keep asking myself.
Listened to it in its entirety over weekend. A bit mind numbing at times, I think the drums are a bit too much at times. Some decent songs in there. I like the first 3 and the last song has some interesting parts. Lux Aeterna is entertaining too. I'm going with a 2.5/5 so pleasantly surprised.
I gave it a listen. It's easy to just say the whole thing is rubbish. It has its moments as is mentioned above. The first few tracks are decent (not amazing) and that's the thing. These guys should be belting out brilliantly written music, but sadly are not. I will listen again, but it seems like a repeat of the last album which I didn't really like.
Finally bit the bullet and gave this a listen. Every bit as bland as I had feared. Perhaps 2 or 3 decent riffs but that's all there is. Absolutely has me put off buying it and I can't bring myself to revisit to see if it improves with more effort.
New video for 'Am I Too Far Gone':
https://youtu.be/IYGqWQiKeK4
The riff is a No Remorse rehash. The song is alright, nothing amazing.
If I walked into a random bar in a random town, and some unknown band was on stage playing this I'd be pleasantly surprised.
But given that this is the output from the biggest metal band on the planet, it's just a bit sub par.
The video however is fairly shit, but most of their videos are so nothing new there really.
This has to be the worst thing they've ever put out, in terms of a combination of meh song and utterly shite video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu37zDGvp0s
Jesus Christ!
Song is OK. As good as can be expected, like.
But that video is fucking embarrassing.
I kept waiting for yer man to crab walk across. Maybe his knees are shot.
That's serious headache material.
That video is just embarrassing. As in, nothing but embarrassing.
Oddly though, think it's the best of the singles so far. It goes on for way too bloody long, but when it's good it's surprisingly good.
AA gave the album a fairly positive review on his podcast and I as expecting him to slate it.
Those 2 videos are shocking :laugh:
They don't come close to these dancing shadow antics ->
https://youtu.be/u1ZvPSpLxCg?t=145
Think you could cut the album down to 8 songs and have it under 40 minutes and it would be a decent attempt overall.
Definitely!
Keep some for besides and such instead of live versions the same old songs.
Video is shocking alright. Didn't they make a video for every track from the last record too? Can't remember a single one of them. I can imagine they get a load of top film graduates in for a bit of a brainstorm where every idea is a great idea and this is the end result.
Just that the crab walk was mentioned, who's worse Rob Trujillo or Janick Gers for ridiculous stage presence. ?
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 19, 2023, 10:57:57 PMOddly though, think it's the best of the singles so far. It goes on for way too bloody long, but when it's good it's surprisingly good.
Really? I couldn't get to the end of it. It's the worst of the bunch for me, though it could be fatigue on my part. A minute into that needlessly long intro I was thinking "Chasing shite... and they caught it, too".
What has really stood out for me is how little dynamics there are across the songs, they're full-on all the time, there's no real effort at a big chorus or building up to anything, no drama or suspense. It's all just fucking loud, loud, loud and it's not just the mastering. The song craft is gone, at the expense of trying to be Metal all the time. The last album had Now That We're Dead, which was ok, I thought, it as a reasonable effort a style which suits them better, these days. This new stuff, I resent it before Lars has finished tapping out the last of the accents on the loud, loud snare in every poxily long intro.
As I said, when it's good, it's surprisingly good. Only song so far where I've heard this "Hetfield is on form" in evidence in some places, plus an actual solo, mixing the Black album and RtL approaches. Still not tempted to listen to the whole thing though.
So... are they actually gonna make a video for every song on it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBq9Kfdp6O4
This song is just boring.
Same fucken intro shite with the snare. He's been shite for years but this is the same fucking thing every fucking song.
Quite like that one, actually. Lyrics are cringey but Hetfield at least sounds good. Hammett's leads and solo are decent. Bass has some meat on it.
Lars is completely phoning it in on this album, though. He obviously just doesn't care anymore.
Ah Jeasus, leave Lars and his snare alone, its all the poor bastard has.
He's a far better drummer than me in fairness to him, but that being said, I've never actually played the drums.
Joking aside though, the three songs above aren't the worst, nice tone and pacing to them, some comfortably familiar riffage going on, not offensive to the lugs at all. That being said, I wouldn't be motivated to buy the album off the back of them.
The videos are pointless shite.
There's a video for every song bar the last one on Youtube, and that's 'upcoming' as I type. I've only seen 3 and a bit (the headachey one I only lasted a few seconds) but they've all been shite - the videos I mean, the songs are what they are.
They probably had the studio rented and threw them out over a few days to save even bothering to promote it down the line. Generic, cookie cutter, conveyer belt, minimal effort content production. Seems to be their business plan.
Listened to it in parts yesterday. Still happy enough with my initial findings, it's decent. Drums are fucking terrible sounding and there are 3 very forgettable songs that if omitted would help.
Fair play to anybody that sits through this..what I've skipped through on the links posted here it sounds absolutely fkn appalling
I have a lad texting me on WhatsApp for the last week recommending I listen to this.
Haven't done so yet, I thought I would have by now but it just feels like it'll be pointless
I'm sure it's not St Anger levels of bad, I'd say it's no worse than Maiden's recent output who seem to get a much more forgiving reception, but with all the good stuff out there I don't see the point in sitting through an 80 minute for a slog just hoping to hear a glimpse of what they used to be.
If I want to listen to modern thrash I'd put on High Command instead.
It's not super thrashy though. Listen to the title track it's probably one of the better songs or don't!
I have it on here. On track 2 here and it feels like several weeks since I innocently started out back at track 1. It's not even especially awful or anything but sweet jesus does it go on. I wonder if they'd thrown this out instead of St. Anger would it have helped them more back then. Track 3 on there now and I don't know how old I am anymore what's time anyway other than a scale by which to measure entropy well I'm feeling positively entropic as it happens fuck these first 3 tracks could all have been cut in half because the repetition isn't exactly helping the cause. Maybe it's some sort of attempt to make them memorable but it's coming off like Fr Fitzgerald with the boring voice. haven't turned it off yet though maybe I can do this
Anyone else think James looks physically wrecked? Watching an interview that came on my feed and he looks thin and weak, checked out his age to see he's only 59, couldn't finish the interview either he seemed to be in pain at the thought of drumming up enthusiasm for the record.
He looks like a 70 year old on the photo in the new album. 72 year old, maybe?
Just on my first proper listen now.
First 2 tracks are all over the place, riff salad, multiple tempos.
3's a bit more consistent, still only OK.
On 4 now (are titles even remotely relevant as they're as throwaway as the music itself?), it's fairly generic but has its moments. I don't hate it.
5 is very Sad But True lite, again it's not bad.
6 the first single, it's growing on me, that chorus is an earworm.
7 is straight off Load/Reload, plodding but has a nice simple melody to it.
8 another Load-esque track, midpaced and filler.
9 was another single, another plodder but the vocals and lead/riff are enjoyable.
10 another filler track, even the solo sounds recycled.
11 more filler, another riff salad track.
12 is interesting. More of a hard rock track but there's a nice, quiet, bass-led section in the middle and some decent twin lead moments - some of which weirdly bring Crowbar to mind. Ends well, the best section of the album for me anyway.
Overall it's better than expected but how often will I listen to it? Not very in reality. I think the best that anyone can say of a new Metallica album these days is 'it could have been worse'.
Gave this a proper listen with an open mind yesterday. My takeaway was this:
3 good songs: Crown of Barbed Wire, Lux aeturna, Too far gone?
the rest: meh but not terrible.
They're trying, give them that at least.
Saw it for €50 in Golden Discs. Gas.
I watched the video for the last song, the really long one, thought it was decent. That sort of slow, hard rock thing really suits them. It felt shorter to listen to than some of the shorter, forced Metal stuff, if that makes sense. Shit video, though.
This is worth a spin, an edited down version of Hardwired. Some tracks edited slightly, some cut out altogether. It flows really well, it's a decent listen:
Finished this off in two goes.
Verdict: Their best since the Load days, but it doesn't really matter to anyone other than the die hards. If someone else had it on in their gaff I wouldn't complain about it
Got half way through this, I'll try finish it some other time but the hats are hard to listen to, they're like splashes constantly going off. Come to think of it the drums overall are so fake sounding, kind of distracts from anything else and it's inflamed further by the snare fills that Lars usually does but seems to be doing alot more. Other than that, actual drumming is good I think. Riffs completely forgettable, the highlight of this album for me is James' vocals.
Yes the hats do sound fucked up. Compressed to death
Fair fucks to anyone who can sit through this nonsense start to finish and not want to poke needles in their ears. It makes the last Megadeth album sound like a masterwork (in fairness at least Mustaine has the decency to surround himself with killer players).
Ah I don't think it's all that bad. The drums do sound terrible and the songs forgettable but it's pretty inoffensive overall without being actually good at any point. Can't speak to the Megadeth comment as I never got into them
I don't really know how to describe it, it's all just so... meh. The funny thing about the drumming is you know straight away it's Ulrich, but that's really not a good thing.
There's a few goofy songs on the Megadeth album, but for the most part it actually sounds like Megadeth. Like this it some tight thrash metal with tasty lead playing...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LkJ5jJuraLQ
QuoteOrion
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Holier Than Thou
King Nothing
Lux Æterna
Screaming Suicide
Fade to Black
Sleepwalk My Life Away
Nothing Else Matters
Sad but True
The Day That Never Comes
Ride the Lightning
Battery
Fuel
Seek & Destroy
(False Start)
Master of Puppets
I looking out for the set list update as I wouldn't mind seeing them if they stopped here and didn't play a field but there was nothing too spectacular about the first set on this tour other than opening with Orion which would've been awesome and the welcome omission of Enter Sandman. I thought they might've dug a bit deeper, maybe Saturdays set will differ.
Also, I think it's worth mentioning again, James looks like a bag of shite. Looks like he's gonna collapse and the playing is fairly shabby.
https://youtu.be/7qbXYHxP5Bw?t=76
16 songs for the guts of 300 quid a ticket... amazing value :laugh:
Aside from Orion, it's a tired looking set and it'd be easy to guess the 16 they'd play at the next date already.
Nothing else matters and Sad but true, jesus wept
Quote from: Don Gately on April 28, 2023, 01:02:56 PMNothing else matters and Sad but true, jesus wept
I love Sad But True. :abbath:
Great tune alright. The first track on my stripped down personal version of the Black album.
Second night in Amsterdam off with a bang, Call of Ktulu, Leper Messiah , Until it Sleeps. Seemed a slightly better set til there was a run of 72 Seasons stuff, then whiskey appeared which is always a total waste of a song.
Do they play 'Four Horsemen' anymore? or is that a Mustaine song?
I've only listened to the album once. My biggest gripe is Hammett's playing. It's beyond shit and so predictable. He has to be one of the most unimaginative lead guitarists in the business.
Some of the packages are gas
https://www.loudersound.com/news/got-dollar7k-to-spare-heres-what-you-get-when-you-empty-your-bank-account-for-an-enhanced-experience-on-metallicas-2023-world-tour#:~:text=The%20final%20bank%2Dbusting%20package,of%20soft%20drinks%20and%20beer.
$813 to gain access to an "exclusive " bar with other Metallica fans.
I was on the Metallica site and Ticketmaster just checking a regular ticket. No perks or any pre show earl entry bullshit. They don't seem to be interested in that at all.
Its all geared towards those sill name packages.
QuoteThey don't seem to be interested in that at all.
Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but they've hired a company to put together a suite of add on packages that range from $400 for early entry to $7000 to be on a special viewing platform. So they're very much interested in it, the add ons are purchased through the third party website
There were quite a few spelling mistakes in my post there.
It looked to me like the whole ticketing system was geared towards the packages.
Maybe I looked in the wrong places.
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on May 03, 2023, 06:38:04 PMQuoteThey don't seem to be interested in that at all.
Maybe I'm picking you up wrong but they've hired a company to put together a suite of add on packages that range from $400 for early entry to $7000 to be on a special viewing platform. So they're very much interested in it, the add ons are purchased through the third party website
State of that while I think of it. Making the rich fans have access to a better experience than the poor fans.
Is it not enough that the poor people have to work like dogs to get the price of a ticket at all but then the reward is to get treated like shit compared to the rich once more when over the years you have spent a greater part of your salary and therefore sold more hours of your life to see these same wankers that will treat you worse than some cunt who got this better special viewing platform deal as part of a Paddy's Day junket at the expense of the taxpayer and didn't cost him a second of his time because he got time off for it and also didn't even organise it for themselves because cmon we all know there are lackeys paid minimum wage to do that while one simply wanks into their own faces due to their either earned or inherited social status.
Metallica and their fans and their absolutely worthless (for anyone but the most absolute die hard enthusiasts who have already seen the fuckin eejits 37 times) new album can all fuck off at the same time because the people that pay to have it better than anyone else are actually responsible for the fact that some have it better than others and are not good and fair people, just like the band themselves, releasing tripe for the guts of 30 years and getting away with it on the reputation they've built up during their first 10 years.
The amazing thing is that I could actually go on, I'm not half finished with them or indeed you.
Fuck sake
It's 2023 astfgyl. Did you miss the last 25 to 30 years? Metallica have been a musical and cultural irrelevance for that length of time. I'm not sure what's more embarrassing - metallica themselves or the fans who still get het up about their crap.
Most people parked them around 96/97 if not 91!!!
Quote from: Grim Reality on May 03, 2023, 11:53:42 PMIt's 2023 astfgyl. Did you miss the last 25 to 30 years? Metallica have been a musical and cultural irrelevance for that length of time. I'm not sure what's more embarrassing - metallica themselves or the fans who still get het up about their crap.
Most people parked them around 96/97 if not 91!!!
You're right. I think the same point applies to the likes of Tool and others of the same commercial standing who sell the overpriced VIP packages at their shit overpriced gigs.
As I've said, I could go on
Tool were great last year. Their last album was also very strong.
Haven't seen Tool since the ozzfest but can't complain about the price of that. Also the last album wasn't bad but I wouldn't pay the prices to see them now in a fit
OK I think I paid €90 last year. I'm fairness it was an amazing show. I paid similar for Iron Maiden for next month and Priest coming in around €80 too so it's the go of it.
By the time I went looking for Tool tickets last time what was left was up in the hundreds.
Same reason I'm not heading to Depeche Mode this year. Just too pricey
Same all the bigger seems to be about €80-100 now. If I wanted to head to something with the missus, after the cost of tickets, pints, taxis, babysitters, there's very little change left out of €500. Just not worth it
Quote from: Trev on May 04, 2023, 07:51:34 PMSame all the bigger seems to be about €80-100 now. If I wanted to head to something with the missus, after the cost of tickets, pints, taxis, babysitters, there's very little change left out of €500. Just not worth it
Sleep in your car, sneak drinks into the venue, abort your kids... ya it's rough but it's also affordable.
Quote from: Trev on May 04, 2023, 07:51:34 PMSame all the bigger seems to be about €80-100 now. If I wanted to head to something with the missus, after the cost of tickets, pints, taxis, babysitters, there's very little change left out of €500. Just not worth it
Aye that's pretty much it for me. Going to Swans and Emperor fair enough but won't be bringing the wife or staying up for either. It's the smaller stuff or nothing for me these days and mostly because of money
Back on topic, was driving to cork yesterday with the wife and she wanted to throw this on so ok. It's actually not that bad if only they hadn't stretched every single tune out to way beyond reasonable lengths. There is the makings of a very good Metallica album in there and a couple of the tunes are very strong. Ok the drum sound is despicable but had they released this instead of st Anger that time I reckon people would've really gotten into this one. Well some editing would have been required but overall it's not a bad effort from them although the bar has been low for 20 years. There's a couple of tracks that I'd throw on willingly.
Jesus I'm really damning them with faint praise here aren't I
Always find these interesting, production changes making the riffs hit differently and for me, better...but maybe that's nostalgia factor kicking in
https://youtu.be/YrnBQrP72qc
Amazing the difference between the same few riffs. Probably helps that he didn't play each one for what seems like an eternity too
Only seeing maiden next month cos playing SIT material..after that these legacy bands are laughable..this priest thing is farcical..which old man will be dropped and replaced next
Paris tonight, nothing earth shattering so far, fairly similar to opening night in Amsterdam, though I Disappear got an airing, I think that's a cool track.
I Disappear is the best track they've done since The Black Album.
Quote from: jobrok1 on May 18, 2023, 09:00:40 AMI Disappear is the best track they've done since The Black Album.
it is a belter to be fair!
This poster by Juan Ma Orozco is pretty fucking cool
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwwhG7paQAAZQ2d?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Death Metal Poster is deadly.... Totally wrong band to use it for, though.
100% re-stirring the shit here by signalling that St.Anger was released 20 years ago today :)
Released? More like secreted... or ejected? It hasn't aged at all, to be fair. It's as fresh and shit now as it was back then. It still amazes me nobody from their management stopped it coming out.
Generally couldn't give a shite about the 'Tallica camp but I am kinda digging this a little.
I can't help but think this is the kinda thing that they really want to be doing anyway.
Dream Theater did that song better IMO.
Papa Het's new teeth look great.
They're playing here (Canada) in August with Pantera, whom I've never seen. Nearly $300 a ticket though for a Zakk Wylde Pantera...really not sure.
Seen Metallica about 7 times already, mainly because they're one of the 5 or so bands big enough to headline metal festivals, and I'm not sure I could sit through a set of even their classic stuff these days, never mind that it's interspersed with all their newer terrible stuff.
EDIT: Reading back over this thread I was going to mention that that shadow dancing video was ridiculous and would have been slightly better if it was them shadow playing their instruments as a band, until I noticed they have a few other videos already doing that. Clearly the shadow dancing video was at the point where they still had a video to make and needed to try something different. Might as well have just had Lars and Kirk shadow wank James to show their gratitude at still having jobs at this point. Would have at least been real.
Metallica are a better cover band (minus Tuesdays gone and Loverman) maybe they should try and cover some of their early stuff!!!!
I listened to 72 Seasons again the other day, for the first time more or less since it came out. Had it on in the background while doing some computer stuff and it went down surprisingly well. Still not a patch on their classic material obviously, but it's definitely the best since Reload. If Darkness Had A Son could have come off either of the Load albums, easily.
I'd forgotten how stupid the CD packaging was though.
Pretty decent cover, also weird to see Trujillo with his bass at a normal height and not strapped around his shins
The fucking state of that cover. They used to do such amazing covers (Blitzkrieg, Small Hours, even Turn The Page) but this is muck.
Quote from: Carnage on April 11, 2024, 07:40:26 PMI listened to 72 Seasons again the other day, for the first time more or less since it came out. Had it on in the background while doing some computer stuff and it went down surprisingly well. Still not a patch on their classic material obviously, but it's definitely the best since Reload. If Darkness Had A Son could have come off either of the Load albums, easily.
I'd forgotten how stupid the CD packaging was though.
If Lars and Kirk raised their game to match James, the last two albums could have been excellent, rather than decent. But the drumming is too stiff to really give the songs any sort of dynamics or energy, and the leads are completely forgettable. Which is a shame, becuase one thing you can say about Hammett, is that he used to come up with really memorable leads.
Quote from: The Great Cull on April 11, 2024, 08:20:27 PMThe fucking state of that cover. They used to do such amazing covers (Blitzkrieg, Small Hours, even Turn The Page) but this is muck.
Metallica and Anthrax always made excellent covers to be fair.
Quote from: The Wretch on April 11, 2024, 09:16:07 PMIf Lars and Kirk raised their game to match James, the last two albums could have been excellent, rather than decent. But the drumming is too stiff to really give the songs any sort of dynamics or energy, and the leads are completely forgettable. Which is a shame, becuase one thing you can say about Hammett, is that he used to come up with really memorable leads.
Indeed. Ulrich's been dead weight for decades but who'd have thought Hammett would be a weak link?
Quote from: Carnage on April 11, 2024, 07:40:26 PMI listened to 72 Seasons again the other day, for the first time more or less since it came out. Had it on in the background while doing some computer stuff and it went down surprisingly well. Still not a patch on their classic material obviously, but it's definitely the best since Reload. If Darkness Had A Son could have come off either of the Load albums, easily.
I'd forgotten how stupid the CD packaging was though.
I remember seeing YouTube vids redoing a chunk of the songs in I think it was the AJFA tone and it sounded class. The riffs are there but the production is so flat it takes all the power away from them.
Quote from: Carnage on April 11, 2024, 09:42:20 PMQuote from: The Wretch on April 11, 2024, 09:16:07 PMIf Lars and Kirk raised their game to match James, the last two albums could have been excellent, rather than decent. But the drumming is too stiff to really give the songs any sort of dynamics or energy, and the leads are completely forgettable. Which is a shame, becuase one thing you can say about Hammett, is that he used to come up with really memorable leads.
Indeed. Ulrich's been dead weight for decades but who'd have thought Hammett would be a weak link?
I've always thought Hammett was fairly weak. He was a good writer of solos in the 80s in melodic terms, but he's never been a good player of them. I guess you could say similar for Ulrich!
Quote from: jobrok1 on April 11, 2024, 04:16:03 PMGenerally couldn't give a shite about the 'Tallica camp but I am kinda digging this a little.
I can't help but think this is the kinda thing that they really want to be doing anyway.
Ive been saying that for awhile now too
Quote from: Mooncat on April 12, 2024, 12:04:34 AMQuote from: Carnage on April 11, 2024, 09:42:20 PMQuote from: The Wretch on April 11, 2024, 09:16:07 PMIf Lars and Kirk raised their game to match James, the last two albums could have been excellent, rather than decent. But the drumming is too stiff to really give the songs any sort of dynamics or energy, and the leads are completely forgettable. Which is a shame, becuase one thing you can say about Hammett, is that he used to come up with really memorable leads.
Indeed. Ulrich's been dead weight for decades but who'd have thought Hammett would be a weak link?
I've always thought Hammett was fairly weak. He was a good writer of solos in the 80s in melodic terms, but he's never been a good player of them. I guess you could say similar for Ulrich!
Think Kirk realised that he's never gonna really have a say and said "fuck it, I'm phoning it in and wearing tracksuit bottoms onstage while playing a Fleetwood Mac guitar"
Quote from: Carnage on April 11, 2024, 07:40:26 PMI listened to 72 Seasons again the other day, for the first time more or less since it came out. Had it on in the background while doing some computer stuff and it went down surprisingly well. Still not a patch on their classic material obviously, but it's definitely the best since Reload. If Darkness Had A Son could have come off either of the Load albums, easily.
I'd forgotten how stupid the CD packaging was though.
It's not the worst really except every song could easily be edited to half length and I don't ever really feel like putting it on after hearing the full ring twice.
Yeah, the length issue has been the case for yonks and the songs aren't particularly memorable. It was on in the background as opposed to actively paying it any heed, but in that situation I enjoyed it for what it was.
Edit: There's this:
https://youtu.be/TUyAuW-L1rU
Ah grand I'll give that a go because with a bit of editing it could be a solid though unspectacular outing, which would indeed make it their best in almost 30 years.
Fucking hell when I put it like that it's really very bleak
Quote from: jobrok1 on April 11, 2024, 04:16:03 PMGenerally couldn't give a shite about the 'Tallica camp but I am kinda digging this a little.
I can't help but think this is the kinda thing that they really want to be doing anyway.
That is a quality cover of a killer track. I haven't enjoyed new material from Metallica this much in more than 20 years.
So I ended up listening to 40 minutes of the 49 there while I was busting up a few zombies in CoD and it was actually far better with the editing.
Saying that though, the minute I got killed and stopped playing I couldn't handle another 9 minutes of it.
Even the edit feels a bit overlong. Mad stuff.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on April 12, 2024, 11:15:11 PMQuote from: jobrok1 on April 11, 2024, 04:16:03 PMGenerally couldn't give a shite about the 'Tallica camp but I am kinda digging this a little.
I can't help but think this is the kinda thing that they really want to be doing anyway.
That is a quality cover of a killer track. I haven't enjoyed new material from Metallica this much in more than 20 years.
Had that on earlier and couldn't get all the way through. Just felt long like everything they've released after MoP if I'm being honest about it.
As for the 20 years, tis only the blink of an eye compared to the time passed since they last released anything interesting or exciting
I've a buddy who works in a record shop, and he had a more senior (50+) Metallica Bros™ come in and ask him for Goodbye Yellow Brick Road... you couldn't make this stuff up.
Quote from: Ducky on April 13, 2024, 01:38:37 AMI've a buddy who works in a record shop, and he had a more senior (50+) Metallica Bros™ come in and ask him for Goodbye Yellow Brick Road... you couldn't make this stuff up.
It's a great album though.
Exactly! :laugh:
I think Garage days revisited that came out in 87 is up there with the best Metallica albums. I find myself coming back to it more often than any of the albums.
The Garage Days EP plus all the other covers that ended up on Disc II of Garage Inc are class. Is there a bad cover on that 2nd disc? Top of my head I can't think of one.
Yeah that disc 2 is great all the way through
So What is fucking terrible, just cringeworthy. Aside from that it's gold.
I like So What and all, as puerile as it is
Quote from: Skott Furys jizz rag on April 13, 2024, 02:50:15 AMQuote from: Ducky on April 13, 2024, 01:38:37 AMI've a buddy who works in a record shop, and he had a more senior (50+) Metallica Bros™ come in and ask him for Goodbye Yellow Brick Road... you couldn't make this stuff up.
It's a great album though.
Oh it is for sure! I probably spin it more often than most of 'Tallica's for a long while now :laugh:
Elton had some cracking tunes back in the day to be fair.
Is the latest Renault ad on the telly using Nothing Else Matters ?!!
Jaysus
Still in shock
Why is that a shock? They're hoors!
Their commitment to making a buck knows no end! Playing for penguins sponsored by coca cola?
Have you seen any of the promo vids for their 'Pop-Up Shops' ahead of gigs.
You kinda have to tip your hat to them, but fuck... they're mad for the money!
The cash till doesn't sleep, wha!
Quote from: jobrok1 on June 07, 2024, 11:04:37 AMHave you seen any of the promo vids for their 'Pop-Up Shops' ahead of gigs.
You kinda have to tip your hat to them, but fuck... they're mad for the money!
Got to keep the payroll healthy for the staff.
Quote from: Jward on June 07, 2024, 10:51:31 AMIs the latest Renault ad on the telly using Nothing Else Matters ?!!
Jaysus
Still in shock
Phantom of the Opera was used back in the 80s to advertise lucazade. Nothing shocking here.
https://youtu.be/D4YTB5FZeHQ?si=minQV5rq72VRK-02
Hearing Fear Factory on an ad for TVs in the late 90s took me by surprise, but Metallica? No.
Quote from: Carnage on June 08, 2024, 01:22:01 PMHearing Fear Factory on an ad for TVs in the late 90s took me by surprise
They'd Body Hammer in an ad for Time Out Bars too. Dino probably got paid with a pallet of chocolate.
:laugh: That'd be a grand afternoon for him.
That ad with the speedboat is what got me into Fear Factory. Remember going to Virgin and finding the track before I bought Demanufacture.
On the Metallica thing, just saw Oranssi Pazuzu post a pic of Hetfield wearing their shirt. That surprised me.
Ha, wouldn't mind seeing that. Instagram?
5 years ago today that they played Slane. I didn't go because Lars, but I'm more raging that I missed The Cure, who played Malahide Castle that day.
The Cure were amazing that day.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on June 08, 2024, 01:52:20 PMHa, wouldn't mind seeing that. Instagram?
It was. Checked and it's gone but a quick Google sats he was seen wearing it on a few occasions and he added them, along with HoF and Pallbearer, to a playlist for some mag also.
Quote from: open face surgery on June 08, 2024, 01:46:55 PMThat ad with the speedboat is what got me into Fear Factory. Remember going to Virgin and finding the track before I bought Demanufacture.
On the Metallica thing, just saw Oranssi Pazuzu post a pic of Hetfield wearing their shirt. That surprised me.
That's what made me sit up and find out who it was as well back in the day!
Quote from: Carnage on June 08, 2024, 01:22:01 PMHearing Fear Factory on an ad for TVs in the late 90s took me by surprise, but Metallica? No.
I think these days the idea of selling out is kind of an outdated Gen X notion. For the young ones now, getting your music in an ad/show/film/viral etc is the goal. They are all about making the money any way they can.
Side note: there have been some videos of Metallica going about lately where they're playing in Bulgaria (I think) during a lightning storm. There were some very timely lightning strikes during MoP and Creeping Death that were pretty awesome along with the music. Making me rethink going to see them when they visit here in August.
Seems like it was Munich. The teen in me is loving how badass this is :laugh:
There are other vids on YouTube of other strikes throughout the song too. Lots during the guitar harmony part and heavy riff right after.
Quote from: astfgyl on June 08, 2024, 03:59:35 PMQuote from: open face surgery on June 08, 2024, 01:46:55 PMThat ad with the speedboat is what got me into Fear Factory. Remember going to Virgin and finding the track before I bought Demanufacture.
On the Metallica thing, just saw Oranssi Pazuzu post a pic of Hetfield wearing their shirt. That surprised me.
That's what made me sit up and find out who it was as well back in the day!
Oddly, if my memory serves me, sometimes it said "Soundtrack by Fear Factory" and other times it didn't. I think was an ad for dvd when that was starting out.
Can't find the English language version:
Lol it shows the new telly with the lyrics "the conscious man is dead and I buried him"
Quote from: Mooncat on June 08, 2024, 05:53:02 PMQuote from: Carnage on June 08, 2024, 01:22:01 PMHearing Fear Factory on an ad for TVs in the late 90s took me by surprise, but Metallica? No.
I think these days the idea of selling out is kind of an outdated Gen X notion. For the young ones now, getting your music in an ad/show/film/viral etc is the goal. They are all about making the money any way they can.
Licencing to movies/tv etc is always lucrative. Anywhere from 50k to half a mill depending on the project.
I'd argue that the biggest pay they had outside touring in the last year was Fortnite.
Quote from: Carnage on June 08, 2024, 01:22:01 PMHearing Fear Factory on an ad for TVs in the late 90s took me by surprise, but Metallica? No.
IIRC Skoda had Onslaught in one of their ads in the early 90s.
Quote from: Anvil on June 08, 2024, 01:05:11 PMQuote from: Jward on June 07, 2024, 10:51:31 AMIs the latest Renault ad on the telly using Nothing Else Matters ?!!
Jaysus
Still in shock
Phantom of the Opera was used back in the 80s to advertise lucazade. Nothing shocking here.
https://youtu.be/D4YTB5FZeHQ?si=minQV5rq72VRK-02
Daley Thompson was the coolest fucker in the world back then. We loved that ad, as kids. It was a very pleasant surprise rediscovering that music as I was getting into Metal a few years later.
Oddest one was RTE using the middle of Angel of Death for their continuity music in the early 00's, the breakdown bit just before the "pumped with fluid..." bit.
Quote from: Mooncat on June 08, 2024, 05:54:23 PMSeems like it was Munich. The teen in me is loving how badass this is :laugh:
There are other vids on YouTube of other strikes throughout the song too. Lots during the guitar harmony part and heavy riff right after.
It is Metal as fuck to be fair
Somebody with the editing know-how needs to put Eddie Munson on top of that yoke when the strike hits. :laugh:
Quote from: Necro Red on June 09, 2024, 04:17:27 PMQuote from: Mooncat on June 08, 2024, 05:54:23 PMSeems like it was Munich. The teen in me is loving how badass this is :laugh:
There are other vids on YouTube of other strikes throughout the song too. Lots during the guitar harmony part and heavy riff right after.
It is Metal as fuck to be fair
I was there and got soooooaked.
Savage couple of gigs.
Some videos I took:
I actually listened to 72 seasons the other night. I have to say it is growing on me, initially I had zero interest to be honest. I read Hetfield's book of guitars and I thought I'd give it another go. The end of the album does get a bit epic with the guitars. Big Lizzy in there for sure. Is the album growing on anyone else? I may even get myself a copy which I didn't think I would
Thought it was pretty good all along, it surprised me. Thought Lux was a dreadful single and it turns out to be the worst song on the album. As you say some of the strongest tracks are toward the end.
Picked it up a while ago, was getting some other albums and it was only €8 so figured I may as well
I'm liking it more than when it initially came out alright, but other than a few songs I don't think there's a lot I'd really come back to.
Kirks half assed solos really stick out and ruin some otherwise decent stuff, and like modern Maiden the lack of self editing drags things out too much
Quote from: Giggles on July 04, 2024, 06:39:13 PM
Fucking hell Kirk!
I heard he shot the wah pedal afterwards "YOU BETRAYED ME YOU FUCKER!"
Quote from: Necro Red on July 05, 2024, 10:11:32 AMI actually listened to 72 seasons the other night. I have to say it is growing on me, initially I had zero interest to be honest. I read Hetfield's book of guitars and I thought I'd give it another go. The end of the album does get a bit epic with the guitars. Big Lizzy in there for sure. Is the album growing on anyone else? I may even get myself a copy which I didn't think I would
I was given the CD recently, thought I'd give it a genuine go. It's a fucking slog, man. There are no dynamics, both in each song and across the whole fucking thing. It's always on 11, you know what I mean? The songs don't breathe, there's no real variation in tempo, in key, in mood and Papa Het's relentless poor-me schtick is fucking pathetic, it really is. Add in the most unmemorable group of solos possibly ever recorded with the most-limited drummer in Metal (that fucking hi-hat
all the way through Screaming Suicide, I mean, it doesn't even stop during the breakdowsn for fuck sake) and it's not a recipe for success. The snare sounds like a triggered sample. I don't think it is, but it sounds like it is. It's odd. Every fill has that awful machine-gun vibe to it. It's fucking horrible. Hetfield can still write a riff but it all ends up as an aimless soup. Maybe one song at a time it might be better but, as an entity, I just down't have enough goodwill left to go through it again. I can only see myself coming back to it once I've forgotten how mediocre it is, just to see if it's really as mediocre as I think I remember it is.
Saw Metallica last night in Edmonton. Have to admit it was awesome, their stage show is really cool this tour.
Mammoth WVH: Have avoided this band so far as I have something of a pet hate for nepotism, but I was surprised that they were actually pretty good. His guitar playing is decent, like a watered down version of his dad, but I was more surprised by his voice. Kind of a Myles Kennedy-lite. The songs were very much in the style of Myles Kennedy's various projects too, with the obvious added Van Halen influence. Little bit on the generic side if I was being picky, but overall very much enjoyed them.
Pantera: the real reason I went to the show. Mostly it was great. Benante is a beast and handles everything well, and combined with the tightness and feel of Rex's bass playing they were an awesome heavy rhythm section. Phil was on good form too, and despite his voice sounding wrecked when he talks, he was still nailing the vocal performance, albeit slightly adjusted for what he can do now. Lots of cool video footage and tributes as well. Only complaint would be Zakk Wylde. He mostly did a reasonable job, but he's just not tight enough to be in Pantera. He's a classic overplayer, always throwing in licks, pinch harmonics, playing variations of the riff rather than just sitting on the groove and letting it hit. He's tight enough to get by, but just never in the pocket. A concern when you're playing for Pantera, the ultimate pocket band. The down-tuned guitar also was a bit muddy in the huge outdoor space. Overall though a great set (albeit nothing from Trendkill!!) and a very receptive crowd. Jealous of everyone back home getting a full headline Dublin show.
Metallica: I had actually planned to leave their set early because I'd seen them a bunch when I was still back home and the train situation at the stadium they were playing at is wild. Ended up staying right until the last song though because it was so good. The sound was great; really crisp and heavy, and they were all in great form (as much as Hammett can be these days...). First two songs were Creeping death and Harvester of Sorrow. Doesn't get much better than that! Plus Orion got a welcome run out. The middle hour of the 2hr set was dominated by songs from the last 3 albums. All songs I couldn't care less about on CD, but actually were really enjoyable (and crucially, new to me) live. James still doing the slightly embarrassing family/therapy/ott gratitude stuff, but it didn't grate as much as I thought it would.
One cool thing, because the stage is in the middle of the crowd, all the bands had a long walkway from the side of the stadium so you could watch them all walk up to the stage while the crowd cheered. Pantera got a big response walking up, and the Metallica guys did too, but when James came out last it was like a demigod had entered the arena, such was the response. Really cool moment.
All in all a really great night out. If they extend the tour anywhere near over there I'd recommend it! My first 'spectacle' show in a long, long time and I forgot how cool it was to see something like that. I mainly stick to local shows these days, but I'll definitely be watching out for some other stadium-sized ones now.
Good review thanks, a bit like AcDc if they were go come I definitely would go see them again without expecting much.
Quote from: Don Gately on August 25, 2024, 10:44:35 AMGood review thanks, a bit like AcDc if they were go come I definitely would go see them again without expecting much.
Think I would probably go again too, but they're veering dangerously close to Lynyrd Skynyrd territory these days were it's almost a new band...
You'd wonder will they come back here any time soon. They're bigger than they've ever been and the latest stage show looks massive. Maybe Slane again?
I'd bet the 72 Seasons tour will be extended to secondary markets which I'd imagine Ireland would fall into. So you're probably looking at 2 dates at the aviva or something. Will the ticket thing be a fiasco though? I'd love to see them one more time myself but not willing to pay nonsense money or go into ridiculous queues
Quote from: Pagan Saviour on September 04, 2024, 10:32:20 AMI'd bet the 72 Seasons tour will be extended to secondary markets which I'd imagine Ireland would fall into. So you're probably looking at 2 dates at the aviva or something. Will the ticket thing be a fiasco though? I'd love to see them one more time myself but not willing to pay nonsense money or go into ridiculous queues
I completely agree man. I've seen them 6 or 7 times over the years and would like to see them again. I'm too old for this ticketmaster queuing shite. It probably will be a disaster to get a ticket that isn't over priced. The RDS would be ace now if they played. The Aviva is a nightmare to get out of and getting the Dart then.......so badly organised compared to our European neighbors. That's a separate argument there ha ha