In my twenties I was a bit more open to investigating some of the martial industrial/ noise/ ambient stuff (not to mention the likes of Ministry and NIN or Bile who were on the listening roster throughout the 90s) but I lost interest in all of it along the way. This morning I kind of randomly decided to listen to mz.412 and I started at the beginning (I think) with their 'Malfeitor' album. It captured my imagination immediately. It's minimal and very dark but with really catchy looped beats and hypnotic gas mask breathing on the first song. It sounded thoroughly cold and inhuman but in a really interesting way. It prompted me to pull Arditi's 'Standards of Triumph' off the shelf for a long overdue revisit. It's on here now and it ain't bad but maybe not as intriguing to me as mz.412.
I know there are a few people here who like this stuff and are bottomless wells of knowledge so any recommendations of the slightly more dismal gothy end of the spectrum would be appreciated.
I'm not interested in harsh noise or drone, I'm after something more structured if that makes sense. But feel free to contradict my expectations if necessary...
First thing that came to mind based on the mz.412 mention was this compilation by the same guy under a different name:
https://coldspring.bandcamp.com/album/pyrrhula-csr98cd
I am far from an expert, mind but this is a favourite. Do some digging, there's an expanded version out there.
Cool, I'll give that a look.
For something closer more rhythmic try Kollaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97OLTRB9zLE or Echo Beds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI4OEiGTrI0, and maybe have a spint through recent releases on the Phage tapes label which goes from harsher stuff through to things that sound like NIN/Front 242
The two upcoming Intensive Care albums are worth keeping an eye out for too.
If you like MZ412 I'd say Trepaneringsritualen is a safe bet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCo7Eyr_i3I
For me, Himuklat is the best in the game right now, but her stuff might be closer to harsh noise in places than your tastes might allow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn9xalBOn8c&list=OLAK5uy_mhwpE74YaPbtE463Je_oY0OwR8M-2MSUE&index=4
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Great thread actually as it's something I dip in and out of from time to time. I look forward to listening to the recommendations. I quite enjoy Gnaw Their Tongues output.
Not into GTT really. I appreciate the madness but I never feel the need to revisit it!
Cheers Jamie. I'll bate through that list.
All Your Sisters worth a bit of a shout here I think.
https://allyoursistersmusic.bandcamp.com/album/trust-ruins
Straight forward industrial, well written tunes, mixed elements of other genres in there but goth-y in parts.
I am fond of industrial meself but dip in and out of it, having went for heaps in my teens but nowadays going for old ministry, foetus, NIN, and then more into industrial metal I suppose. Going to check out the recs in this thread and stick a few more in as I think of them.
I feel like "industrial" is as much a blanket term as "metal" in being a generalisation for an area of music with many often disparate parts, Like there's a huge gulf between Arditi and Nurse With Wound or Kontravoid and The Rita but the term gets used to lump them all in, and someone who likes one might hate the others. Everything from Neofolk to Power Electronics gets in under that heading.
I'm more of a noise/drone person, or the kind of vaguely "band" type things I posted above for example, not a huge fan of the poppier/dancier gothy stuff (though I love NIN and All Your Sisters), and I find military industrial stuff laughable in the same ultra pompous way I find a lot of BM..though I love early Laibach at the same time. Big Whitehouse fan but a lot of the Power Electronics stuff they inspired is cringe level bad. It's constantly mutating.
Really enjoying this new God Is War stuff, his projects are pretty intriguing overall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3wwGIAK6mA
I mentioned Intensive Care earlier, here's a track from one of the new albums "Antibodies" which is the more straight up electronic one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdABkFI4ECs
I'm always going to recommend Coil as an amazing starting point for exploring the many forms of industrial music. They simaltaneously had elements all of them at various points, but sounded unlike any other band. I'd start with "Backwards" even though it's probably not one of my favourite albums of theirs. You can definitely see where NIN got a lot from (NIN always struck me as Coil x Depeche Mode with some more rock elements thrown in)
I feel like the old Cold Meat Records stuff and current Cold Spring/ Tesco Organisation records catalogue might be more specific to what you're after Andy.
Yeah, I think I'll have a sweep through the Cold Meat Industry back catalogue and see what jumps out.
I'm not well versed in this either but definitely went through a huge NIN phase in my teens, still a big fan. It spurred me on to make droning ambient music in those years, but I never went further down the spiral. KMFDMs Opium 1984 is their earliest and most experimental work I'd say, and might be of interest. Noise and sampling across styles but very much a musical composition.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on September 03, 2022, 09:36:21 AMFor something closer more rhythmic try Kollaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97OLTRB9zLE or Echo Beds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI4OEiGTrI0, and maybe have a spint through recent releases on the Phage tapes label which goes from harsher stuff through to things that sound like NIN/Front 242
The two upcoming Intensive Care albums are worth keeping an eye out for too.
If you like MZ412 I'd say Trepaneringsritualen is a safe bet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCo7Eyr_i3I
For me, Himuklat is the best in the game right now, but her stuff might be closer to harsh noise in places than your tastes might allow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn9xalBOn8c&list=OLAK5uy_mhwpE74YaPbtE463Je_oY0OwR8M-2MSUE&index=4
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Those Kollaps and Echo Beds songs sound good to me. I'll have to investigate further.
Quote from: ochoill on September 03, 2022, 12:08:55 PMAll Your Sisters worth a bit of a shout here I think.
https://allyoursistersmusic.bandcamp.com/album/trust-ruins
Straight forward industrial, well written tunes, mixed elements of other genres in there but goth-y in parts.
I am fond of industrial meself but dip in and out of it, having went for heaps in my teens but nowadays going for old ministry, foetus, NIN, and then more into industrial metal I suppose. Going to check out the recs in this thread and stick a few more in as I think of them.
This ain't bad. Not sure it's the kind of thing I'd return to a lot to be honest, but it has a strong NIN buzz.
Skinny Puppy area an obvious one I guess. Too Dark Park is one of my favourite albums.
I'm just going to wait and see what Pentagrimes throws in here and go for a few of those
Quote from: astfgyl on September 06, 2022, 02:59:23 PMI'm just going to wait and see what Pentagrimes throws in here and go for a few of those
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Lol yeah I'm thinking the same
See above.
Speaking of industrial, I picked up the reissue of Nitzer Ebb's Ebbhead recently. Brilliant stuff, this version includes the As Is EP and the remixes from across the various B-sides. All mighty.
I can't decide if Nitzer Ebb are bad or good. Have listened to all of their stuff and still I dunno
Hit and miss for me. Ebbhead is essential, and Belief is another great album. Wouldn't be gone on any of their other stuff TBH.
Jesus,no pressure ??? :-X
Quote from: Pentagrimes on September 07, 2022, 12:18:20 PMJesus,no pressure ??? :-X
:laugh:
In the meantime, though we all likely know it - and if you're in this thread and you don't know it, now's the time to remedy that - this is arguably Ministry's best album and very ideal industrial for me: The Land of Rape and Honey.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mnBmYMT81eN2DyqpfJuBSxusMXPZ9wMDE
Actually wanted to mention a very old album as one for people to check out if you've never heard it. Probably my favourite industrial record ever, possibly the first real industrial album I ever owned, too. SPK's "Leichenschrei"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnw_QGd8Phc
Not as crazy about the stuff they did before this musically (though It's hugely important), certainly not anything after either ("Machine Age Voodoo" is arguably the "Cold Lake" of industrial music)
Dreary, creepy, odd, genuinely unnerving record. Essential listening.
I've set out my stall in terms of what I like earlier in the thread, so NIN and Nitzer Ebb fans can stop reading here, as these are largely the more noise/dark ambient side of industrial rather than anything melodic or rythmic for the most part.
Some of these are more MW friendly as there are ties to metal and hardcore bands
I see there's a Bastard Noise/Merzbow split out on Relapse which is as good a reason as any to mention Bastard Noise's "Rogue Astronaut". Again, this is more of a noise thing, but possible slightly more palatable than straight up harsh noise might be to many of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIsUNYZzutI
Sore Dream is one of the spin off projects of Full of Hell, and probably my favourite. Abstract, Wolf Eyes inspired stuff that goes from floaty to pounding, has a more psychedelic bent to a lot of it. "Phosphorescene" is my favourite release
https://damienrecords666.bandcamp.com/album/phosphorescence
Same label also put out something this year by Corroded Spiral which is Igor Cavalera and Dwid from Integrity's indutrial project
https://damienrecords666.bandcamp.com/album/ancient-nocturnal-summoning
I suppose some of ye might know about Hospital Productions as it's the guy from Prurient and his missus, and they've put out a bit of black metal. The Geography of Hell stuff they've released is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4aYKwrsX44&t=834s
They've also released stuff by Linekraft from Japan which is quite close to early industrial, a lot more rythmic and trancelike, lots of releases out there
https://tescogermany.bandcamp.com/album/asura
Rounding off with something more musical. I guess some of ye might know of Lamia Vox already, definitely more ambient/Dead Can Dancy than the rest of thes stuff I've posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uxU8EFc5nY
Ah sure fuck it, if you're after industrial dancefloor bangers..Phase Fatale
https://hospitalproductions.bandcamp.com/album/burning-the-rural-district
And Chris Connelly's post REvCo industrial thing Cocksure, classic Wax Trax vibes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQMlTpnCyWE
Ugh, double post
Love Phase Fatale but I wouldn't have put it here.
Been on a Skinny Puppy and FLA binge today, which then led me to Noise Unit and Klinik. Worth a listen.
Noise Unit:
https://youtu.be/srd-shd7nc0
https://youtu.be/0JGDW1OaNyE
Klinik:
https://youtu.be/n8_mGnMKOQM
Can't beat FLA at their best, I was blasting Caustic Grip earlier myself. Provision is such a belter.
https://youtu.be/RqFaOJrRfSg
There's some Laibach. A unique proposition that I usually only draw out in the off topic.
As for FLA I've had rather a soft spot for them over the years but they've been bad for a long time bar a track or two. I do like most of it up to Epitaph though.
I kinda jump off the FLA train around Millennium which I still have a soft spot for. I've been giving Severed Heads a go lately and enjoying what I've heard so far. Another band notorious for their use of loops and samples was Pain Teens worth checking out highly recommended.
https://youtu.be/93-FzPWFQ7w
https://youtu.be/7vJwRq-0kPQ
Someone mentioned this in a Facebook group yesterday, it's pretty good. Brought to mind Ministry, Pigface, etc., without particularly sounding like them. More that early '90s scene really, if I'd heard it 30 years ago I'd have lapped it up. Lament Cityscape:
https://lamentcityscape.bandcamp.com/album/a-darker-discharge
If anyone feels like reposting my ramble from another thread about Burning here be my guest
Here we go:
this is gonna be of very little interest to most on here (hello, Quill brothers) but I've been obsessed with this band called Burning for the last few months, who have very little recorded output but there's a few live sets of them playing (so far) unreleased material out there that are fucking incredible. This one is particularly ace. Industrial stuff that reminds me of a harsher Grotus or Crash Worship, the darkest Skinny Puppy stuff, maybe even a guitarless Skin Chamber - samples, two drummers, bass (the dude from Obsequaie/Majesties), vocals. Really eerie, paranoid stuff in places. Very much doing their own thing. I'd also say if you like The Body, "Cop" era Swans, Intensive Care, STRCLVR or stuff on The Flenser you'll dig them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1HJ88MNmAs&t=697s
Not a whole lot to look at but the tunes are mesmerising. Currently the only way to hear these songs, apparently. The first one, "the mountain", is amazing.
Good man.
So yeah, all of that.
Been revisiting Foetus a heap lately. Here's the song that got me into him
https://youtu.be/2PA_49DGLBU?si=sZ7svDD278Hhmxap
Ah yeah Foetus is always a great shout. So many class tunes
I thought there was a Ministry thread but sure this is as good a place as any...
I see Paul Barker is back and they're recording yet another final album. Hopefully it's decent, I gave up on them a long time ago. The last one I heard was the one after The Last Sucker and it was shite, I can't imagine the subsequent stuff being much use.
Quote from: Carnage on June 27, 2024, 12:13:39 PMI thought there was a Ministry thread but sure this is as good a place as any...
I see Paul Barker is back and they're recording yet another final album. Hopefully it's decent, I gave up on them a long time ago. The last one I heard was the one after The Last Sucker and it was shite, I can't imagine the subsequent stuff being much use.
Hopium for the Masses wasn't too bad to be honest, a little bit more stronger than some of the post Last Sucker stuff.
I'd love to see them tour the With Sympathy set as the gig from last month as the Cruel World gig looked brilliant and the current lineup is pretty solid.
Quote from: Carnage on June 27, 2024, 12:13:39 PMI thought there was a Ministry thread but sure this is as good a place as any...
I see Paul Barker is back and they're recording yet another final album. Hopefully it's decent, I gave up on them a long time ago. The last one I heard was the one after The Last Sucker and it was shite, I can't imagine the subsequent stuff being much use.
I've been done with them since Barker left. I tried every album at least once but no it's just never been the same without Barker. I'm looking forward to hearing this. His other stuff has been excellent and actually sounds a lot like what's missing from ministry. Great news for me
Quote from: Sworntothecans on June 28, 2024, 04:48:22 PMQuote from: Carnage on June 27, 2024, 12:13:39 PMI thought there was a Ministry thread but sure this is as good a place as any...
I see Paul Barker is back and they're recording yet another final album. Hopefully it's decent, I gave up on them a long time ago. The last one I heard was the one after The Last Sucker and it was shite, I can't imagine the subsequent stuff being much use.
Hopium for the Masses wasn't too bad to be honest, a little bit more stronger than some of the post Last Sucker stuff.
I'd love to see them tour the With Sympathy set as the gig from last month as the Cruel World gig looked brilliant and the current lineup is pretty solid.
Only tried Hopium once and all I can remember is some toxic masculinity shit. Is it actually any good?
Quote from: astfgyl on July 05, 2024, 10:32:30 PMQuote from: Carnage on June 27, 2024, 12:13:39 PMI thought there was a Ministry thread but sure this is as good a place as any...
I see Paul Barker is back and they're recording yet another final album. Hopefully it's decent, I gave up on them a long time ago. The last one I heard was the one after The Last Sucker and it was shite, I can't imagine the subsequent stuff being much use.
I've been done with them since Barker left. I tried every album at least once but no it's just never been the same without Barker. I'm looking forward to hearing this. His other stuff has been excellent and actually sounds a lot like what's missing from ministry. Great news for me
Aye, a welcome return.
I've said it before but in terms of post-Barker Ministry, Houses Of The Molé is fantastic.
Nothing too memorable, but had it on while doing a few bits round the house and on walks so it's grand that way. Dumb and loud 😂
They'll never get back to the glory days as Al isn't a chemistry set any more aside from weed and wine.
Think the bad run of albums post last sucker was down to him being shook up by Scaccia & Raven passing away, quitting opiods and getting that sketchy fucker from Society 1 (?) as a member was an invitation for bottom of the barrel Ministry riffs.
There have been some truly awful riffs on the last few I think Relapse was the worst of the lot though
I thought The Last Sucker was fairly poor to be honest, and Rio Grande Blood was only OK too. The only ones I rate post-Psalm 69 are Animositisomina and HOTM, I know a lot of people have time for Filth Pig and DSOTS, but apart from a couple of songs I find them hard to listen to. Shitty production being a large part of that, but the songs just aren't there either.
Quote from: Carnage on July 06, 2024, 12:28:48 AMI thought The Last Sucker was fairly poor to be honest, and Rio Grande Blood was only OK too. The only ones I rate post-Psalm 69 are Animositisomina and HOTM, I know a lot of people have time for Filth Pig and DSOTS, but apart from a couple of songs I find them hard to listen to. Shitty production being a large part of that, but the songs just aren't there either.
Filth Pig/,Dark Side.... are definitely ones you have to be in the mood for.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 06, 2024, 12:23:29 AMThere have been some truly awful riffs on the last few I think Relapse was the worst of the lot though
One of the tracks popped up on shuffle the other day and couldn't skip the thing fast enough.
Filth Pig probably my favourite Ministry album alongside or after TLORAH. I feel like I have posted that here before.
Im a big fan of Filth Pig;DSOTS is decent some cool tracks on there.After that ive dipped in and out.
Filth Pig and Dark Side... are great. Filth Pig is a good bit better but I've come around to DSOTS a lot over the years after initially despising it. As mentioned above, you'd have to be in the mood for it. Love Animositisomina as well but Houses didn't do it for me even though it has one of the most ripping openers possible. Didn't Tommy Victor play on that as well? Must give it another go because it has been years
Die Krupps come to mind.
Father land
To the hilt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLVpyPCEjxU
Great in its day!
Quote from: KingHostile on July 06, 2024, 01:16:27 PMDie Krupps come to mind.
Father land
To the hilt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLVpyPCEjxU
Great in its day!
[/quoteQuote from: KingHostile on July 06, 2024, 01:16:27 PMDie Krupps come to mind.
Father land
To the hilt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLVpyPCEjxU
Great in its day!
Constantly on Headbangers & 120 minutes
Lee Altus from Heathen/Exodus on guitar there too!
Been listening to it on and off all day...... pretty rocking stuff!
Love it!
Quote from: KingHostile on July 06, 2024, 08:20:35 PMBeen listening to it on and off all day...... pretty rocking stuff!
Love it!
John Kenny spammed the fuck out of their Paradise Now album when it was out.
Sound Cellar must have had a pallet of the cds that they needed shifting 😂
Here's a tune and a half from Die Krupps, whom I've always found very hit and miss but when they're good they're very good. This is the best tune on Paradise Now IMO