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Metal Discussion => Metal Discussion => Topic started by: Eoin McLove on July 14, 2021, 02:17:42 PM

Title: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 14, 2021, 02:17:42 PM
Anyone here in touch with the boul Ciaran Tracey? He seems to have entirely dropped off the planet since deleting MetalIreland. He was a highly talented individual which his work in Hexxed and The Winding Stair attested to in no uncertain terms. I would be interested in hearing more music from him (of course the ideal situation would be a continuation of the ideas Hexxed were exploring in their pre-prog formation). Anyone know if he is working on any new stuff or has he hung up the old bullet belt?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Slaughterday on July 14, 2021, 02:28:00 PM
Raging, was hoping for a Creations Tears thread.

In all seriousness though, he was (is?) a big part of the Irish Metal scene. MI was a great resource, especially for anyone new to metal in Ireland looking for scene/gig info.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 14, 2021, 02:35:02 PM
Indeed.  MI was invaluable in its day.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 14, 2021, 03:03:13 PM
No idea if he still has a toe in the personal music performing side of things, but he's pretty visible in the world of what he does now:
https://bigcitynights.io/
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 14, 2021, 03:19:24 PM
Wow, fair play to him.  Looks like he has his hands full. I haven't really delved into the world of podcasts. Maybe I should give those a listen.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Pentagrimes on July 14, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
Interesting. Perhaps I could pitch a podcast about the collapse of a local niche music message board to his company.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: livingabortion on July 15, 2021, 02:23:02 AM
He was holding on to the Metal Ireland domain for a long time, he was doing nothing with it, but it looks like it's fully down now, when you go to metalireland.com
He should have released it so someone who wanted to carry on an Irish Metal Forum could of has it.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 05:18:19 AM
He was doing the weather on BBC news line wasn't he?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: livingabortion on July 15, 2021, 06:34:59 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 05:18:19 AM
He was doing the weather on BBC news line wasn't he?


No Carol Kirkwood  ;) :P
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 09:17:40 AM
Quite a few people including myself, Andy, Pentagrimes etc put in a lot of man hours of unpaid labour in for that lad. If nothing else, I would like to have those reviews etc still available.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Slaughterday on July 15, 2021, 09:20:18 AM
Yeah the reviews, interviews and 'From The Vaults' sections would be great to have on this site in an archive somewhere.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
I don't know about the rest of ye, but I'm pretty sure I still have all the texts I wrote. Don't know whether a) Andy, Kev, Jamie, Donal, Ruts, etc., would be interested in having their stuff back up online, or b) Hambeast would be willing to host it all here, but sure look it, there's the idea floated there. Would be interested to hear from the other concerned parties.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 09:39:31 AM
I might have mine lying around somewhere on an old laptop too.

I hassled Aiden Baker for a month solid to get an interview out if him, and did a three hour Skype call with another band so I was fairly sickened to see it thrown in the 'trash', as the young fella says when he's not teaching me swear words in Polish.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: The Butcher on July 15, 2021, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: Slaughterday on July 15, 2021, 09:20:18 AM
Yeah the reviews, interviews and 'From The Vaults' sections would be great to have on this site in an archive somewhere.

It should have been a discussion on the site regards the future of the content/MI with CT steering it. To just discard it after years of some great (and other times hilarious) threads along with the above resources was bad form overall. At least let people have their say in terms of supporting the site, taking over or others taking the content and putting it elsewhere (Irish Metal Archive perhaps). But I can understand not wanting to hand over control of MI to someone who could potentially ruin it. I only did a handful of stuff like gig reviews on the site in the latter years but would be cool to have it up somewhere.

There is definitely room for message boards as niche as this one is. Although the cost outweighed the value for CT in the end. But FB is woeful, devalues any sense of a worthy conversation and I only keep it for event reminders and to contact someone.

Fair play to him with the podcast/company above.,..but some unheard old Hexxed wouldn't go amiss :D
Title: Re: CT
Post by: H on July 15, 2021, 09:45:19 AM
If someone had won the lottery then maybe they could have bought it for the type of money he was trying to sell it for at one point a good few years back  :laugh:
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2021, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: H on July 15, 2021, 09:45:19 AM
If someone had won the lottery then maybe they could have bought it for the type of money he was trying to sell it for at one point a good few years back  :laugh:

:laugh:

Yeah, I remember a very funny discussion about this in Sentinel one day back then.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2021, 09:52:50 AM
All my interviews and reviews are on a laptop back in the land of Ire. I could access it at some point and forward it on but I'm not terribly arsed on a personal level, bar potentially saving a handful of interviews that worked out well. The reviews... who really gives a shit.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 10:00:02 AM
I read almost all the reviews on MI (I remember someone had a vendetta against the lad know as the ruts?), I trusted them more than other sources, but yeah I suppose.

The classic threads loss is what stings. The drunken stupidity of so many members is mind boggling yet totally relatable;)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2021, 10:07:26 AM
We could even mount a civic case to be brought to the European Court of Justice; the right to be remembered.

There's yer fuckin' podcast story!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 10:10:37 AM
Was it you who shot straight vodka into your gob at a DOD festival Chris? I remember letting my sister have a look
at that thread years ago, and her wrinkling up the nose at that one 'Jesus ye are dirty bastards, and why do they keep going on about your t-shirt was it very offensive '?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2021, 10:17:03 AM
Offensive seems like an understatement.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: jobrok1 on July 15, 2021, 10:27:05 AM
It was a real pain in the hole to see the old MI site die.
He was onto me at one point to bring the Irish Metal Archive under it's wing... really glad I didn't now.

While it was a shame to see it go! I can kinda understand his reasoning.
Running a site like MI must have been a serious drain on him.
IMA has been pretty quiet of late purely because I just needed a break from it.
I tried getting some heads in to do reviews and such, but managing people, content turnover and stuff like that is not easy.

I was onto Hambeast a good while ago about the possibility of merging our two site, but time, family, work, fucking Covid... all put that firmly in the "maybe, some day" box. Would make sense in the long run, I reckon. And be the perfect place to host some of the old MI content that members here had contributed to.

There was another site a few years back called Shredload, too.
Nearly all local bands and reviews featured with content from a good few contributors.
Fella in charge ran it relentlessly and then one day it was just gone.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2021, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 10:10:37 AM
Was it you who shot straight vodka into your gob at a DOD festival Chris? I remember letting my sister have a look
at that thread years ago, and her wrinkling up the nose at that one 'Jesus ye are dirty bastards, and why do they keep going on about your t-shirt was it very offensive '?

Ha! Yeah, woke up in an unknown tent on the Saturday morning, throbbing headache, tent already a sauna from the sun baiting down, disorientated, grab a Volvic bottle and just lash a huge blast of its crystal clear oh fuck no this isn't water contents straight into my parched mouth. And then felt I had no choice but to swallow since I didn't know whose tent I was in to be spitting vodka around inside it, and too fucked to find the zip to exit in time. God be with the days, and may they rest in peace, deep and undisturbed in the past, thank you very much  :laugh:
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Necro Red on July 15, 2021, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 10:10:37 AM
Was it you who shot straight vodka into your gob at a DOD festival Chris? I remember letting my sister have a look
at that thread years ago, and her wrinkling up the nose at that one 'Jesus ye are dirty bastards, and why do they keep going on about your t-shirt was it very offensive '?
That was some shirt to be fair Kev ha ha
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Necro Red on July 15, 2021, 11:17:50 AM
On a more serious note, I do miss MI now. The review section was really something else. The quality of the reviews and the "From The Vaults" section was great. The fact that it was done for free by some of ye lads really says it all. Fair play
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 11:18:36 AM
Spanish women will not put up with Irish level drunkenness, not a hope. I rise very early and bring my yin the coffee in the leaba, and I do so in French (I'm learning the frog speak daily for several years) and I'm usually greeted with 'stop with the fucking french you annoying bastard, yeah yeah you are so great speaking french fair play fuck off'. It sounds better in Spanish, it's almost poetic.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Can tell you that's not the case with Spanish women from the north, let me tell you! Maybe it's the Basque influence, but jaysus, they put them away not a bother on them! Not my missus though, she's a total lightweight...but at least she's acclimatized to a proper drinking culture, so I don't get hassle about it when I go "overboard" (rare all the same these days!).
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 11:24:03 AM
Mine is from Galicia, and her auld lad loves an excuse for another wine, but proper falling in the door, talking shite and then being miserable for a couple of days? Not tolerated around here.

She drinks one vermouth a week. And blames it on her failure to shift that last kilo for the wedding dress.

'ITS THE TAYTOS'
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
I've seen a few high quality releases from local bands pretty much die on their arse in recent times and I can't help but think that if Metal Ireland was still around things would have been different. I know from my own experience in different bands over the years that a high scoring review and a happening thread can do wonders for getting you up the first step of the ladder.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Blackout on July 15, 2021, 03:24:45 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
I've seen a few high quality releases from local bands pretty much die on their arse in recent times and I can't help but think that if Metal Ireland was still around things would have been different. I know from my own experience in different bands over the years that a high scoring review and a happening thread can do wonders for getting you up the first step of the ladder.


Tbh there haven't been many good Irish releases full stop.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: open face surgery on July 15, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
I've seen a few high quality releases from local bands pretty much die on their arse in recent times and I can't help but think that if Metal Ireland was still around things would have been different. I know from my own experience in different bands over the years that a high scoring review and a happening thread can do wonders for getting you up the first step of the ladder.

And then go where? MI did very little for local bands beyond get local attention which equates to more or less nothing anyway.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2021, 05:35:52 PM
I think both observations are true. It was only good for creating a buzz locally, at least in its heyday, but that was a good thing in and of itself. There was a feeling for a few years that the local scene was thriving, at least in terms of activity; the quality could be argued back and forth forever. The past five, or maybe even ten years, it has felt a bit like the activity locally has dried up, or at least it seems as if there has been virtually no new blood entering in to the mix. That may well be my own biased opinion based on the specific type of bands I want to listen to, but you would expect at least some sort of steady trickle of young lads wanting to make their mark on death, black and doom. Maybe that's a separate discussion. The usual argument is that Facebook killed forums but at the same time the general consensus is that the level of discussion there is awful, so it seems like a flawed explanation to me. Another forum I use is always buzzing, which again contradicts the argument. Maybe there's only enough interest for a small number of Metal forms where people from all over the globe gather, as opposed to many small localised ones. Who knows...
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on July 15, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
I've seen a few high quality releases from local bands pretty much die on their arse in recent times and I can't help but think that if Metal Ireland was still around things would have been different. I know from my own experience in different bands over the years that a high scoring review and a happening thread can do wonders for getting you up the first step of the ladder.

And then go where? MI did very little for local bands beyond get local attention which equates to more or less nothing anyway.

Where they go after that initial kick-start is up to them but at least they were getting that exposure on Metal Ireland. Now there's nothing. From my own situation with Stereo Nasty, the demo and album reviews on Metal Ireland opened a lot of doors for us.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 05:56:15 PM
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2021, 05:35:52 PM
I think both observations are true. It was only good for creating a buzz locally, at least in its heyday, but that was a good thing in and of itself. There was a feeling for a few years that the local scene was thriving, at least in terms of activity; the quality could be argued back and forth forever. The past five, or maybe even ten years, it has felt a bit like the activity locally has dried up, or at least it seems as if there has been virtually no new blood entering in to the mix. That may well be my own biased opinion based on the specific type of bands I want to listen to, but you would expect at least some sort of steady trickle of young lads wanting to make their mark on death, black and doom. Maybe that's a separate discussion. The usual argument is that Facebook killed forums but at the same time the general consensus is that the level of discussion there is awful, so it seems like a flawed explanation to me. Another forum I use is always buzzing, which again contradicts the argument. Maybe there's only enough interest for a small number of Metal forms where people from all over the globe gather, as opposed to many small localised ones. Who knows...

It feels like we have a lost generation. All the "new" bands now are the same few auld lads being reshuffled around.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2021, 06:02:51 PM
For the most part,  yep.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 06:09:03 PM
There are a few exceptions of course but not many.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: open face surgery on July 15, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on July 15, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
I've seen a few high quality releases from local bands pretty much die on their arse in recent times and I can't help but think that if Metal Ireland was still around things would have been different. I know from my own experience in different bands over the years that a high scoring review and a happening thread can do wonders for getting you up the first step of the ladder.

And then go where? MI did very little for local bands beyond get local attention which equates to more or less nothing anyway.

Where they go after that initial kick-start is up to them but at least they were getting that exposure on Metal Ireland. Now there's nothing. From my own situation with Stereo Nasty, the demo and album reviews on Metal Ireland opened a lot of doors for us.

Was there that much talk of ye on MI? I feel like I heard of ye outside of MI but that's a very hazy notion.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 06:39:17 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on July 15, 2021, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: open face surgery on July 15, 2021, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 02:46:16 PM
I've seen a few high quality releases from local bands pretty much die on their arse in recent times and I can't help but think that if Metal Ireland was still around things would have been different. I know from my own experience in different bands over the years that a high scoring review and a happening thread can do wonders for getting you up the first step of the ladder.

And then go where? MI did very little for local bands beyond get local attention which equates to more or less nothing anyway.

Where they go after that initial kick-start is up to them but at least they were getting that exposure on Metal Ireland. Now there's nothing. From my own situation with Stereo Nasty, the demo and album reviews on Metal Ireland opened a lot of doors for us.

Was there that much talk of ye on MI? I feel like I heard of ye outside of MI but that's a very hazy notion.

Yeah those early reviews got people talking and that got the ball rolling for us. Our first gigs were a direct result of the demo review.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Giggles on July 15, 2021, 06:58:11 PM
Stereo Nasty. Yeah I heard of them though MI, I remember people saying good things. Haven't listened to them in a couple of years, gonna rectify that nai  8)
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Snare on July 15, 2021, 06:59:25 PM
I can fully understand the need to step away, bit it was a shame the way everything disappeared overnight and people couldn't make plans to stay in touch after in a new forum location, e.g. people in trades like Gordon who hasn't been heard of since, and people still finding this place years later.

One thing I really do miss is the moderating as this place  turned into a hive of scum and villiany. The rules for signing up are a complete waste as the place is full of dispicable and abusive comments. I know people are grown up's and carry on despite such langers but it's fair off-putting and has driven people away, and no doubt deterred new people browsing.

CT commented previously about being able to see from posts who have issues, but it's also easy to see people who are just complete mongos and unfortunately they can carry on regardless here. It's dealing with that kind of shit on top of everything else in creating content that probably broke CT and led to him walking away.  :'(
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Blackout on July 15, 2021, 07:11:32 PM
Apart from maybe primordial or waylander, what metal band in the country would fill the likes of an olympia? There truly hasn't been an Irish Band in the last few years who I would call headline material.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: John Kimble on July 15, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: Snare on July 15, 2021, 06:59:25 PM
One thing I really do miss is the moderating as this place  turned into a hive of scum and villiany. The rules for signing up are a complete waste as the place is full of dispicable and abusive comments.

Bit of an OTT comment there lad, yeah there's a few spas here, myself included (at times) but what goes on here is fairly moderate compared to countless other boards. MI suffered from being over moderated at times. Couple of point  to address I suppose, apart from Altar of Plagues (Through the Cracks of the Earth, still my fav AOP release) who got a fairly glowing review and went on to bigger and better things,  I'm not sure MI was as instrumental in giving Irish metal bands their 'big break' as has been credited already.  I thought the manner in which the site was abruptly closed was a bit of a dick move, considering the input of countless others, and the revelation from DME that the bould CT wanted a fair few bob for the site casts his initial claims of integrity in a new light...
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Anton Arcane on July 15, 2021, 07:37:22 PM
Quote from: John Kimble on July 15, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: Snare on July 15, 2021, 06:59:25 PM
One thing I really do miss is the moderating as this place  turned into a hive of scum and villiany. The rules for signing up are a complete waste as the place is full of dispicable and abusive comments.

Bit of an OTT comment there lad, yeah there's a few spas here, myself included (at times) but what goes on here is fairly moderate compared to countless other boards. MI suffered from being over moderated at times. Couple of point  to address I suppose, apart from Altar of Plagues (Through the Cracks of the Earth, still my fav AOP release) who got a fairly glowing review and went on to bigger and better things,  I'm not sure MI was as instrumental in giving Irish metal bands their 'big break' as has been credited already.  I thought the manner in which the site was abruptly closed was a bit of a dick move, considering the input of countless others, and the revelation from DME that the bould CT wanted a fair few bob for the site casts his initial claims of integrity in a new light...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying MI was handing out tickets to the big time. I'm just saying it was a starting block for bands. It introduced them to the scene and people tended to take notice of good reviews and /or praise from the regulars.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Cailleach on July 15, 2021, 08:23:59 PM
CT closing the site abruptly didn't really surprise me given he struck me as someone who, while polite and mannerly, had a big ego about him.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: John Kimble on July 15, 2021, 08:47:40 PM
That he certainly did...he was consistent in his overvaluation of MI's contribution to the 'scene' overall...after all, it was just a forum effectively, much as we all derived enjoyment from it. Even his parting shot on the closing page, something about vigorously pursuing the copyright...get a grip like! I'd love to see the valuation he put on it, any chance of a disclosure there DME?? It was also apparent towards the end, at least to these eyes, that he had outgrown metal...some overly glowing reviews of very uninspired rock/alternative bands, then going to town on the likes of Zom (great album btw) whom he obviously just didn't 'get'.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Ollkiller on July 15, 2021, 09:30:08 PM
Ya I heard that valuation. And just laughed. I do miss the reviews as for the most part they were bang on. And the threads after a Day of Darkness were lethal. Taking it down abruptly was a shitehawk move.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Giggles on July 15, 2021, 09:46:11 PM
Quote from: Snare on July 15, 2021, 06:59:25 PM
people in trades like Gordon who hasn't been heard of since, and people still finding this place years later.

Funny you should mention him. My only memory of his is that he was a grumpy cunt.

Quotethis place had turned into a hive of scum and villiany.... full of dispicable and abusive comments.

Ah lad calm down on the drama. This place isn't "full" of dickheads. It's literally only 3 or maybe 4 people who dish out the abuse.
At any rate, I think it's a lot better than MI with yer man Dawals with his 27 accounts and his "me wanna banana shite".
There is still good banter to be found on here.

QuoteCT commented previously about being able to see from posts who have issues, but it's also easy to see people who are just complete mongos and unfortunately they can carry on regardless here.

I agree with this. There is an easy solution, ignore them and carry in with your life.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: H on July 15, 2021, 10:05:07 PM
I genuinely don't remember the exact figure other than it was absolutely fucking outrageous for what the site realistically was. I have a rough figure in my head but it could be wrong so someone else might recall more accurately as it was doing the rounds back then.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Blackout on July 15, 2021, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: Snare on July 15, 2021, 06:59:25 PM
I can fully understand the need to step away, bit it was a shame the way everything disappeared overnight and people couldn't make plans to stay in touch after in a new forum location, e.g. people in trades like Gordon who hasn't been heard of since, and people still finding this place years later.

One thing I really do miss is the moderating as this place  turned into a hive of scum and villiany. The rules for signing up are a complete waste as the place is full of dispicable and abusive comments. I know people are grown up's and carry on despite such langers but it's fair off-putting and has driven people away, and no doubt deterred new people browsing.

CT commented previously about being able to see from posts who have issues, but it's also easy to see people who are just complete mongos and unfortunately they can carry on regardless here. It's dealing with that kind of shit on top of everything else in creating content that probably broke CT and led to him walking away.  :'(

What a little drama queen you are. The site is fine. Perhaps the Internet isn't for you.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: ldj on July 15, 2021, 11:00:54 PM
I don't know the lad who ran the site personally but it makes you wonder if the decision to close the site was to do with his burgeoning success in media/production i.e. a little embarrassment/not wanting his name associated with a weird online metal forum lol.

It just seems like an odd decision to wipe any existence of it from the internet unless you really wanted no one to know about it.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 11:06:12 PM
A hive of scum and villany. 😂😂😂

What a dumb sentence

Care to elaborate Brian?


I hope he's quoting something
Title: Re: CT
Post by: CorkonianHunger on July 15, 2021, 11:31:25 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 11:06:12 PM
A hive of scum and villany. 😂😂😂

What a dumb sentence

Care to elaborate Brian?

Tbf I think he was quoting Star Wars  :laugh:
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Kurt Cocaine on July 16, 2021, 06:53:23 AM
Quote from: Snare on July 15, 2021, 06:59:25 PM
I can fully understand the need to step away, bit it was a shame the way everything disappeared overnight and people couldn't make plans to stay in touch after in a new forum location, e.g. people in trades like Gordon who hasn't been heard of since, and people still finding this place years later.

One thing I really do miss is the moderating as this place  turned into a hive of scum and villiany. The rules for signing up are a complete waste as the place is full of dispicable and abusive comments. I know people are grown up's and carry on despite such langers but it's fair off-putting and has driven people away, and no doubt deterred new people browsing.

CT commented previously about being able to see from posts who have issues, but it's also easy to see people who are just complete mongos and unfortunately they can carry on regardless here. It's dealing with that kind of shit on top of everything else in creating content that probably broke CT and led to him walking away.  :'(
Point these mongos & langers out lad. I'll not be long chasing them away.
In the meantime, head out to the forest, find a nice log, sit down and have a good cry.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Paul keohane on July 16, 2021, 10:02:06 AM
Jesus Quirky! :laugh:

This over valuation of how much MI was worth,what was that based on?.Was CT expecting a bidding war?.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Emphyrio on July 16, 2021, 02:46:33 PM
Did Hambeast pull a CT and temporarily take down the site there for a while? Or was it just me getting a taste of the banhammer?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Carnage on July 16, 2021, 02:47:32 PM
I couldn't get on all day either, it just came back a few mins. ago for me.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Pentagrimes on July 16, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
Dunno about everyone else but I still have a lot if not all what I wrote. I had all the interviews up on a Wordpress site online  as I was miffed all my work had disappeared ...but to be frank, I couldn't be fucked keeping the site there any more and it seemed pointless keeping a bunch of old interviews up there in perpetuity. I didn't have any great urge to repost all the reviews. I still do a spot of reviewing for the Sleeping Shaman nowadays for the few who actually might be interested but that's about it, and I rarely review metal on there, it's more noise rock, experimental, psyche and weirder heavy bits..though I am doing Qrixkuor today so the odd time ye olde Satan's Metal gets a look in.

No idea what other writers are doing - always enjoyed Andy's stuff, always hated The Ruts' stuff (largely because he was more interested in being "provocative" than focussing on the music it seemed)..I can't even remember who else was involved by the end. Lorc had gone and I think he was doing a lot of the heavy lifting.


I really enjoyed writing about music but to be honest the MI experience kinda killed it for me, though I've no great talent for it really it was something to do, and it was exciting at times when you got something really special to write about. I really liked the "From the Vaults", though I think the only one I actually did was Decomposed, I had a few others in mind and just never got round to them. It's kind of interesting that when this site started there was all kinds of intentions but nothing actually happened. CT was always looking for new writers but there were very few willing to do so without payment, though there's plenty other more reputable sites out there who seem to rely on the " we can't pay you but it's exposure" in the way gig promoters do.

Dunno if people appreciate how much work goes into doing a decent review - imagine getting landed with an album you don't like,having to listen to it multiple times, take notes, listen to it more times to check your notes, and then try and be constructive/articulate/descriptive about it when all you want to say is "this is absolute bollocks lads", only to realise there was no point in you even reviewing it because people are just downloading it or listening to it online anyway. In spite of  still doing it, I do ultimately believe it's a pointless task 99% of the time.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: leatherface on July 16, 2021, 04:23:48 PM
I was on the bus home from work one evening when I realised the site had been pulled down. Couldn't believe it.

However, there *is a new site here. Why couldn't there be the same content i.e., reviews?. There's a gig section for what it's worth nowadays. I think lack of gigs/scene could be the big missing cog in the wheel, MI always had great post gigs analysis from random people and regular posters, it was often hilarious and almost like a big pre/after party online and now that there is not much going on maybe that contributes to some having a lack of enjoyment with this site. Lots of names no longer with us.

Point is there IS a new site that could have the same content, no?  reviews (new/classic), maybe memories of gigs past?  band profiles ,who knows?
I think there could be a lot of cool content done here. I would do some writing if there was any interest (not likely  ;D).

Anyway Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Pentagrimes on July 16, 2021, 04:54:16 PM
Hambeast put out a call for writers at the start, a couple people said they were game, no content bar a Sacriligia album ever actually manifested.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: jobrok1 on July 16, 2021, 05:01:12 PM
I went down that road with the Irish Metal Archive for a while, too.
It's a total pain in the bollix trying to manage people and keep things ticking over.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Hambeast on July 16, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
I have no experience in writing reviews or organising such things which is why MW has pretty much consisted of just a forum since it launched. I can handle the technical side of things myself but that's about it. Until Covid hit and stopped gigs, I was doing my best to maintain the gig calendar on the front page, but even that was a lot of work and became pretty tiresome. Constantly creating new content is a lot of work and can almost be a full time job in itself. I'm not running ads on the site and would prefer not to, which makes it difficult to go down the avenue of paying writers and I don't expect anybody to work for free. As far as moderation on the forum goes, there essentially is none other than weeding out bots/spam or rarely deleting a post (which has only been done 2 or 3 times as far as I can remember), but maybe I do need to look into getting a few moderators to stop things getting out of hand. Some kind of collaboration with IMA or the likes could prove useful in the future to help the site become more than just a forum but I have no idea what shape that would take.

If CT was willing, I'd be happy to host a copy of MI here, but I'm not sure if there's much interest in an archive of old content which doesn't get updated. A copy of MI still exists on archive.org for anyone wanting to look up old reviews and the likes, but I wouldn't be copying any of it without consent.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181110014706/https://www.metalireland.com/
Title: Re: CT
Post by: jobrok1 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: Hambeast on July 16, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
Until Covid hit and stopped gigs, I was doing my best to maintain the gig calendar on the front page, but even that was a lot of work and became pretty tiresome.
Updating a gig calendar and archiving gigs is the single worst job in the World... period!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Hambeast on July 16, 2021, 11:36:13 PM
Trying to keep it up to date is by far the worst. Especially when a gig is announced but there's no info like support bands or ticket prices so I'm needing to remember to go back later and add any missing details. I have a handy bit of software for adding the listings but it's still a ball ache!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Blackout on July 16, 2021, 11:57:37 PM
Maybe a stickie with gig dates at the top?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on July 16, 2021, 11:59:36 PM
I never even see the front page. Surely the gig thread is the place for that info?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Hambeast on July 17, 2021, 12:11:42 AM
www.metalwarfare.com now redirects to forum.metalwarfare.com since there's no gigs at the minute. Previously the front page had a big list of all upcoming gigs in chronological order along with all the details. It essentially mirrored the gigs forum but it allowed you to have a clearer view since you could filter it by date and location instead of needing to browse through a few pages of threads to see if there happened to be a gig at the weekend
Title: Re: CT
Post by: if6was9 on July 19, 2021, 06:59:44 PM

A big loss from MI for me personally was the pre/post gig and festival chats. Being involved in so many gigs I took great enjoyment in seeing what people thought in the following days and the insane stories people would tell as the memories came back. Must be said though that this was noticeably less in the last year or 2 of MI. People were definitely going more to social media for that type of craic, the last few Siege threads only had a handful of comments post festival compared to the pages and pages that would be on it before.

I feel like social media has made this impossible to follow these days, if people post now it's just a picture and a sea of thumbs up instead of actual conversation, plus you'll never see what folks you aren't connected with are saying anyways.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Mithrandir on October 18, 2021, 10:35:52 AM
Bring back CountJeremiah  :(
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Caomhaoin on October 18, 2021, 08:13:04 PM
Noticeable lack of complete maniacs, cranks, screwballs and lads giving it laughably tight compared to MI alright.

Who were that band who played support to Sepultura at the Academy and the bass player lost his marbles altogether? That thread was gold for a solid week if not more.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: open face surgery on October 18, 2021, 08:16:19 PM
Ian the Bassist. No idea what band it was.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Makeshiftatomsmasher on October 18, 2021, 08:32:26 PM
Shocktapus??
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on October 18, 2021, 08:56:21 PM
Haha, I forgot about all that. Some craic.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Nazgûl on October 18, 2021, 09:23:54 PM
Philfest.

Wonder did it ever go ahead in the years after?
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Trev on October 18, 2021, 09:37:15 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 18, 2021, 08:13:04 PM
Noticeable lack of complete maniacs, cranks, screwballs and lads giving it laughably tight compared to MI alright.

Who were that band who played support to Sepultura at the Academy and the bass player lost his marbles altogether? That thread was gold for a solid week if not more.
Pagan Riot, if I remember right the post that kicked it off was someone just gave their review of the support as Pagan Shite
Title: Re: CT
Post by: 04325613 on October 18, 2021, 11:34:53 PM
That was top quality shtuff. The lad got fired live on MI
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Born of Fire on October 18, 2021, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: Caomhaoin on October 18, 2021, 08:13:04 PM
Noticeable lack of complete maniacs, cranks, screwballs and lads giving it laughably tight compared to MI alright.

The real tragedy of the loss of MI is no more stories about the Nordie mentalists. Is Skot Fury still furiously pulling himself off into urinals even though there's no gigs?!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Mithrandir on October 19, 2021, 12:54:27 AM

I used to love Nar Marratuk's/Pat's posts in the 'Rarest item in your collection thread'. Most insane collection I've ever seen.

Or who was that young lad who used to go to the gigs in a black Halloween witches wig and corpsepaint, wonder what he's up to now  :laugh:

Title: Re: CT
Post by: jobrok1 on October 19, 2021, 08:40:51 AM
Quote from: Mithrandir on October 19, 2021, 12:54:27 AM
I used to love Nar Marratuk's/Pat's posts in the 'Rarest item in your collection thread'. Most insane collection I've ever seen.
Pat is continually posted bits from his collection on Facebook these days.

He posted one on Burzum  :abbath: recently and got his account cancelled, so he had to set up a new one again. 
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on October 19, 2021, 11:31:20 AM
Jesus. Glad I bounced out of FB a few years ago  :laugh:
Title: Re: CT
Post by: open face surgery on October 19, 2021, 11:33:48 AM
Jesus fuckin christ. Pretty sure a mention of Burzum on Instagram will get the post deleted as well. I can't over emphasise how truly pathetic that is.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Eoin McLove on October 19, 2021, 11:56:00 AM
No, no, it's a triumph for society!
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Black Shepherd Carnage on October 19, 2021, 12:26:04 PM
I think the ban was actually 'cos he claimed Burzum could kill COVID in vitro  :abbath:
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Blackout on October 22, 2021, 09:42:28 AM
One of the biggest things that puts me off metal gigs or any gigs nowadays is the fecking social media bollocks. Put the your phone away and enjoy the gig ffs.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: Mooncat on November 24, 2021, 11:56:34 PM
It seemed to me like the sudden takedown of MI felt a bit like a case of, 'I'm taking my ball and going home, and if I can't play nobody can play'. The whole legal threat nonsense kind of backs that up. Very shitty if that's the case.

I have no idea what the valuation being floated round was, but I do remember someone ran MI through some program that evaluated the value of websites due to traffic, and the figure that came back was 10 grand.
Title: Re: CT
Post by: hellfire on November 25, 2021, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: open face surgery on October 19, 2021, 11:33:48 AM
Jesus fuckin christ. Pretty sure a mention of Burzum on Instagram will get the post deleted as well. I can't over emphasise how truly pathetic that is.

Graveland, Grand Belials Key and Arghoslent are cool though. My friend got his store account banned for 60 days for legacy Burzum posts. He sells records full time so that was a major problem.