Just wanted to dedicate a thread to this band since I see many here are fans. Never saw them live but I remember being in a squat in Mannheim, Germany, 1995, (long story) and some skinheads (I was sharing a room with) were talking about this music festival they had been to. They described Peter Steele like he was a god, "this huge man drinking a bottle of wine onstage". I am not sure what they found amazing about that but they liked it all anyway.
I since went on a TYPE O binge and that hasn't stopped. The last one great album I heard from them was 'World Coming Down', first track amazing. Rest in Peace Peter Steele.
What are your memories of this band live or your favorite albums
October rust and bloody kisses will always have a special place for for me. I remember getting October Rust for my 11th birthday around the time it came out along with a trashy horror novel and spent the day listening to and reading the book.
I still have the cassette and novel to this day!
I only caught them once at the gig in the SFX in 97. Amazing show. I think they are a pretty consistent band on record too. Dead Again was one hell of an album to finish up on. I can only imagine what further greatness lay ahead if poor old Pete hadn't bit the dust.
Bloody Kisses is the only one that stuck with me, it was one I'd go for walks around Dublin with on the trusty walkman. The comedy tracks wore thin pretty quickly but the rest makes up for it, as tongue in cheek as it is. The subsequent albums are all great but just never stuck with me, the only one I listen to occasionally is October Rust (and that got a trim too).
Slow, Deep And Hard and Origin are, appropriately, shite.
'Slow, Deep and Hard' is an early album of theirs I have yet to listen to. Also missed out on Carnivore (Pete Steele and ?), one of those ubiquitous crossover bands from the 80s.
I've never checked out Slow, Deep and Hard or Origin of the Faeces. Haven't dived into Carnivore either.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 08, 2021, 01:02:04 AM
I've never checked out Slow, Deep and Hard or Origin of the Faeces.
You're missing out, they are absolutely excellent. They're the ugliest of the bunch, NYHC and the oddest cruelest doom riffs absolutely glued together but in a fantastic way.
Big Type O fan here, one of my all time favourites. They haven't a bad album, but a couple that don't hit the spot as much - Life Is Killing Me has a couple of dud tracks on it and Dead Again, though still great, doesn't drag me back like their earlier stuff. October Rust, Bloody Kisses, and World Coming Down are almost untouchable, not a bad song on any of them, perfect in their atmosphere, each so different that it's hard to pin a favourite sometimes (but I usually say OR).
Never got to see them live unfortunately. My brother was at that SFX 97 show and met Pete Steele on Grafton st beforehand, ended up having a coffee with him strangely. Type O were a fixture in the house growing up, I remember hearing bits of BK and OR before I was properly getting into music. When I was around 12 and going down the metal rabbit hole I dove back into both albums and ultimately WCD when it came out, and have been that obsessed since. Both brothers are every bit as bad for them, fun auld house to rob CDs as a teenager.
Fuck it I might do the discography run of them starting today while I'm in work. It'll be shorter than the Godflesh run at least. Some excellent B Sides and covers throughout their career too that I might stick a playlist together of later. And my favourite live DVD (possibly) - Symphony for the Devil. The fucking sound, the set list, just a top class performance.
Carnivore are fucking brilliant. Both albums are well worth diving into. The Debut has a thrasher edge to it. The Second one; Retaliation has a more NYHC vibe to it (though with a heavy Black Sabbath influence), I read several times that Pete was really into Agnostic Front at the time of writing it - he even wrote a chunk of the lyrics for them on Cause for Alarm.
Slow deep and Hard and Origin are a long way from being shite! A little rougher around the edges, given that Slow... was intended to be the third Carnivore LP. The Origin LP is a fake live album with rerecorded (better?) versions of tunes from the first album, and a backing track of a crowd hurling abuse at them.
Why isn't this thread on the Main Forum?
I was looking to pick up some Type 0 albums on vinyl, but can't find any for a decent price. I reckon they are due a reissue
They're reissuing them at the moment, I think October Rust or World Coming Down is the most recent.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 08, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Why isn't this thread on the Main Forum?
I posted it here last night by accident, couldn't change it. Anyways, it's here, so.
Brilliant band that had their own haunting sound.
Check out this gig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bu96DXjYDU&t=1555s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bu96DXjYDU&t=1555s)
Quote from: leatherface on July 08, 2021, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 08, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Why isn't this thread on the Main Forum?
I posted it here last night by accident, couldn't change it. Anyways, it's here, so.
Aha, gotcha...
Slow Deep and Hard being called shite? Madness lads. Incredible album. Certainly more fitting as a Type O album rather than a Carnivore one though.
Top Tier:
October Rust
World Coming Down
Bloody Kisses
Origin of the Feces
Second Tier:
Life is Killing Me
Dead Again
Slow, Deep and Hard
I like all of them and the placings are not set in stone (except OR) but there is a distinct gulf in quality between the two tiers.
Absolutely amazing and unique band and I feel a discography run coming on reading the thread. Never caught em live unfortunately but the albums keep me going well enough.
In Praise of Bacchus is my favourite tune but there's a good few close ones. So fucking heavy. And no, Slow, Deep and Hard is not shit.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 08, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Top Tier:
October Rust
World Coming Down
Bloody Kisses
Origin of the Feces
Second Tier:
Life is Killing Me
Dead Again
Slow, Deep and Hard
I like all of them and the placings are not set in stone (except OR) but there is a distinct gulf in quality between the two tiers.
Absolutely amazing and unique band and I feel a discography run coming on reading the thread. Never caught em live unfortunately but the albums keep me going well enough.
In Praise of Bacchus is my favourite tune but there's a good few close ones. So fucking heavy. And no, Slow, Deep and Hard is not shit.
I'd agree with those tiers..
It's time again.
Over the last couple of days I've been flying through it
Only October rust and world coming down left to go and I had bloody kisses on 3 times so that stalled me a bit
I've tried a few times to get into this band, like their image etc but just can't get into the music, I know I'm wrong.
Life is killing me is better than I gave it credit for.
I dunno which is recommended for someone who can't get into it though. Maybe dead again as it's a bit more upbeat.
Quote from: Don Gately on October 01, 2021, 02:49:00 PM
I've tried a few times to get into this band, like their image etc but just can't get into the music, I know I'm wrong.
Watch this (live @Wacken 2007) and then delve into the albums. Trust me, it'll be worth it...
https://youtu.be/IhsQwC91I48
Quote from: astfgyl on October 01, 2021, 06:22:32 PM
Life is killing me is better than I gave it credit for.
I dunno which is recommended for someone who can't get into it though. Maybe dead again as it's a bit more upbeat.
I'm like a broken record but Dead Again is some album. To think Pete was 52-ish (I think) when they recorded it, and he'd found God. You'd expect that to be a recipe for bad metal but his anger and wit, and his creativity and power as a vocalist were entirely intact. If he hadn't died we could have had another two or three more incredible Type O albums by now. It still galls me.
In going to lash on dead again now. When I made the tiers I put it on the bottom but I feel bad about putting any of it on the lower tier because it's all so good
I'm also constantly disappointed that he popped his clogs, it's awful
Dead again is the album I would listen to the least of from them, couple of good tracks but that's it.
For someone asking about what they should listen to first, I would say 'October Rust' or 'BK'. Shamefully they have other albums I need to get into more, title track from 'WCD' is really cool- very much still an OR sound at that point.
My 17 year old is a big Type O fan,specifically "OR".
Thankfully she hasn't heard the first album !
Is there anything that can scratch the itch other than type o themselves? I've tried a few things but there really is nothing like it is there?
Nope. They were truly one of a kind. Their music, while having clear influences, simply transcended them and became more than the sum of their parts. Then you have Pete's presence, unique vocals and witty, dark lyrics that were unlike anyone else. Look at it on paper, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Sisters of Mercy and NYHC! It looks ridiculous and it took a level of real insight and skill to make it work.
I tried looking for a few different bands a while back just from the similar artists section on Metal Archives, but none of them come close. They were just so unique
Yeah, tried a bit of that type thing as well. Was even listening to Pist.On (recorded at Systems Two, produced by Josh Silver around the time of October Rust, Val Ium backing vocals, TON-aping bass sound) the other evening to try scratch the itch, and while it's sort of October Rust Lite a lot of the time, the quality of the tunes wouldn't keep me coming back like a good Type O album and it can be a bit toe-curling. Moonspell was another one but it didn't cut the mustard either. Even that covers band that lets out a tune or 2 here and there was close but no cigar (Can't remember the name of them, they had a Chris Isaak cover in TON style on youtube). Steele appears on Biohazard's Uncivilization album on a couple of pretty reminiscient tracks but yeah, fuck all doing. Sometimes the first LOA album is a bit like a cross between TON and Biohazard but it's not enough either. Steele's death left us in a bit of a Kurt Cobain situation, where there's no possible replacement although Cobain had a lot more stuff in the vaults to dig into (although admittedly most of it was in the vaults for good reason). Didn't some other band, maybe Baroness or someone? do a cover of them in the last couple of years as well but IIRC their own stuff was no comparison.
Silvertomb has a couple of Type O members, if memory serves. Tried their album, it didn't do much for me.
Ah I remember hearing one song of them and not liking it at all. Seventh Void was another but it was some sort of I dunno what but it was bad. Found Kenny hickey's voice grating for a full album.
There's A Pale Horse Named Death with some connection too but I think it's pretty tenuous.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 24, 2022, 02:50:58 PM
There's A Pale Horse Named Death with some connection too but I think it's pretty tenuous.
Ya, the singer is Type O's former drummer and their drummer, Johnny Kelly, replaced him in Type O.
Yeah ended up getting the type o albums out. October Rust followed by Bloody Kisses.
There really is no alternative.
A Pale Horse...are fairly derivative tbh, more like Alice in Chains than Type O Negative. Good summary from McLove a few posts back, a band which was far greater than the sum of its parts, which shouldn't, in theory, have worked whatsoever but resolutely did.
Pale Horse are absolute muck.
Fields of the Nephilim scratch my type o itch...
Speaking of which, there's also Zoon, who I was first recommended on here not so long ago.
For anyone that's interested Revolver are doing some limited edition zines of Typo.
https://shop.revolvermag.com/collections/book-of-type-o-negative (https://shop.revolvermag.com/collections/book-of-type-o-negative)
Dead Again is being repressed. Bastard thing is nearly sold out everywhere. Spindizzy Records was weirdly where I was able to preorder it.
https://media.nuclearblast.de/shoplanding/2022/TypeONegative/dead-again.html
I tried a lot of times and can't really get into Dead Again. It just doesn't feel like a proper type o album for some reason
Managed to get an order in for the longbox version just in time..
If anyone has a grand to spare, there's a signed 2 x picture disc of October Rust up for grabs:
https://hammerheartstore.com/products/type-o-negative-october-rust-2-picture-lp-signed-by-all-4-members?
Quote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2022, 06:01:03 PMI tried a lot of times and can't really get into Dead Again. It just doesn't feel like a proper type o album for some reason
Agreed. It never clicked with me either.
There's about four threads with Type O in relatively current discussion here at the minute. I love it :laugh:
...and feck all mention of Sal... I bet that Alan Robert cunt started them all!
Quote from: The Great Cull on November 21, 2023, 01:59:29 PM...and feck all mention of Sal... I bet that Alan Robert cunt started them all!
:laugh:
Quote from: The Great Cull on November 21, 2023, 01:50:25 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2022, 06:01:03 PMI tried a lot of times and can't really get into Dead Again. It just doesn't feel like a proper type o album for some reason
Agreed. It never clicked with me either.
I'm gonna try it again maybe this evening and see if I missed anything but it's been out a fair few years now without winning me over. Life is Killing Me is only so so as well. The Great bits are great but a lot of it is only middling
Life Is Killing Me just doesn't click with me atall while Dead Again has grown on me over the years..
Oh man, Profits of Doom, Hail and Farewell to England and These Three Things are among the best songs they've written. The rest is really bloody good too. The only one I'm not really into is Halloween in Heaven.
Theres some good tracks on Dead again but its an album I struggled to listen to from start to finish.
Was subjected to Dead Again on manys the occasion in McLove's old snot mobile. Always really liked it. Halloween in Heaven included.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 22, 2023, 12:01:41 AMOh man, Profits of Doom, Hail and Farewell to England and These Three Things are among the best songs they've written. The rest is really bloody good too. The only one I'm not really into is Halloween in Heaven.
Hail and Farewell.. is the definite highlight of the whole thing and indeed stands up with any of the rest
I can only partially endorse that statement.
Which part
I can endorse that Hail and Farewell is a ripper. I can't endorse the implication that the rest aren't rippers as well 8)
Yknow is hard to disagree that any single song on that album is in any way bad now that I'm thinking about it. Why then does it leave me cold as it does? I honestly don't know. It's a bit like the way NIN are my favorite but no matter what I do, With Teeth just doesn't feel great even though I like every song in isolation.
That's something worth thinking of - bad albums full of great songs
:laugh: I can't help you there.
Why is this thread in the 'Off Topic' section?
Quote from: jobrok1 on November 23, 2023, 11:20:36 AMWhy is this thread in the 'Off Topic' section?
That was my mistake initially, if any mods want to move this to the main forum that would be great.
I had October Rust on earlier. The lyrics to The Green Man are phenomenal.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 26, 2023, 10:10:28 AMI had October Rust on earlier. The lyrics to The Green Man are phenomenal.
I think it's one of my favourite songs overall of theirs. Perfectly put together and one of their best outros.
Ah so many amazing songs on that album alone. How to choose. But despite having read the lyrics a few times they never stuck in my head. The vocal fx obscure any chance of making out what he's singing so going over them this morning I was struck by their depth and poetry.
Seen them in the SFX in 97, great gig. My introduction to them was slow, deep and hard when it came out so that's the era I listen to the most. From the carnivore albums up to bloody kisses will do me fine :)
Right so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Well, it's very Type O. Vocally it started off a bit like latter day Tiamat but then went quite Pete Steele. Is Josh Silver out of retirement?
Gonna take a guess and say it's the guy from Spirit Adrift, high vocals sound exactly like him and they used to be on 20 Buck Spin.
Anyway, song is grand, not really catchy enough for true Type O worship!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMPPMhRHtag
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Pound shop Type O is about the best we'll get. I have a feeling some ex member might be involved.
But there's no replacing Pete Steele. Ever.
Might be cool for the new generation but I wouldn't see myself going for it if it's just that, despite how I hearken for more
The "new generation" of Type O fans I consulted last night (ie the daughter) were not impressed. ;D
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
The problem for a band like this is that you can never beat Type O at their own game.
The problem for curmudgeons is that despite the inferiority, the old familiar ingredients are so damn good it's impossible not to like it :laugh:
I was listening to an even more Type O rip off the other day. I'll see if I can find them. Also really good despite absolutely zero personality.
Edit. October Noir https://youtu.be/sYlP9lQo0IQ?si=ECZu9JScJGpU9Ryq
They're both competent but yeah, no Pete no soul.
I'll go first: Beige No.1
I'd happily go see Muiris and Co do their show anytime, as a straight up tribute they were wonderful. But not someone just copying them.
Ha, I'd laugh if it was the lads behind that Death copy band Gruesome
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 13, 2024, 11:24:24 AMQuote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
The problem for a band like this is that you can never beat Type O at their own game.
The problem for curmudgeons is that despite the inferiority, the old familiar ingredients are so damn good it's impossible not to like it :laugh:
I was listening to an even more Type O rip off the other day. I'll see if I can find them. Also really good despite absolutely zero personality.
Edit. October Noir https://youtu.be/sYlP9lQo0IQ?si=ECZu9JScJGpU9Ryq
Ah jaysus it just hammers it home really doesn't it
Shamelessly so. You would be hard pushed to ever buy it and it ultimately makes you want to lob on Type O, but it's good.
I think maybe I'd have fared better without the video but fuck it's just so sad
One thing that's apparent from watching these videos is not only the gulf between Steele's creativity as a riff-meistro, his power, diversity and theatricality as a singer, but also his amazing dexterity as a lyricist. It is no mean feat to combine a sense of Victorian revival gothic with modern imagery and wrap it all up in dark wit and humour. He managed to fit a lot of information into his songs.
Obviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Fuck that.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 14, 2024, 03:11:33 PMObviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
:laugh: the temptation to do a quick cover of Pale Looking Maiden in the next jam I do...
Anyway both those songs are grand but not great - nothing wrong with them and being a huge TON fan it is impossible to not enjoy them, total rip off but the elements are enjoyable and look if I could get away with it I would lol (spot the old Third Island song where I nearly directly programmed the drums off the end of Green Man for one of many examples). The middle/end of Lost Silver in particular is great. But yeah it just makes me want to put on Type O rather than investigate these much further.
It's a well worn out trope at this stage but you just can't bate the bit of Type O when heading to work on a crisp morning.
Bloody Kisses on here and it's just absolute mastery of the craft.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 14, 2024, 03:11:33 PMObviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
Use AI to tweak the vocals to get the perfect combination of Mullingar & Brooklyn. 😂
I've had Dead Again on spin over the last few days and weeks, I didn't really enjoy it when it came out first but its growing on me....
It's usually Dead Again/Origin Of.. that are on the turntable here. They pretty much had a flawless run.
Origin of... is some class class album as well. What a great way to sort of remix the debut
Quote from: Sworntothecans on August 30, 2024, 11:55:18 AMIt's usually Dead Again/Origin Of.. that are on the turntable here. They pretty much had a flawless run.
Had a run through the discography over the last few days, and yeah, pretty flawless alright. Obviously some are better than the others but I wouldn't have any less than an 8/10
Also forgot how good
World Coming Down is, for whatever reason I always tended to forget about it, but it's been getting a lot of listens over the last week
World coming down is top tier for me since it came out. Right place right time thing I suppose, it just hit the sweet spot from the off
OR, BK, OOTF, WCD (top 2 interchangeable and sometimes the other two make their case, so that's top tier)
SD&H (2nd tier)
DA, LIKM (about as good as each other but both leave me wanting, somewhat. Third Tier Type O)
So that's 4 x 10/10, 1 x 9/10, 2 x 8/10.
A fantastic run indeed
Was fun doing this cover.
In true type o fashion there, you've certainly put your own slant on that one!
Much better than those clone bands missing the point altogether
Quote from: Sworntothecans on August 30, 2024, 10:34:39 AMQuote from: Pentagrimes on August 14, 2024, 03:11:33 PMObviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
Use AI to tweak the vocals to get the perfect combination of Mullingar & Brooklyn. 😂
We laugh, but also we all know this would totally work.
Quote from: ldj on August 12, 2024, 07:52:05 PMGonna take a guess and say it's the guy from Spirit Adrift, high vocals sound exactly like him and they used to be on 20 Buck Spin.
Anyway, song is grand, not really catchy enough for true Type O worship!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMPPMhRHtag
So the albums out and he's revealed himself as behind the project, wouldn't be my thing, just sounds like some Type O imitation verses and then reverts back to his regular band for the choruses.