Just wanted to dedicate a thread to this band since I see many here are fans. Never saw them live but I remember being in a squat in Mannheim, Germany, 1995, (long story) and some skinheads (I was sharing a room with) were talking about this music festival they had been to. They described Peter Steele like he was a god, "this huge man drinking a bottle of wine onstage". I am not sure what they found amazing about that but they liked it all anyway.
I since went on a TYPE O binge and that hasn't stopped. The last one great album I heard from them was 'World Coming Down', first track amazing. Rest in Peace Peter Steele.
What are your memories of this band live or your favorite albums
October rust and bloody kisses will always have a special place for for me. I remember getting October Rust for my 11th birthday around the time it came out along with a trashy horror novel and spent the day listening to and reading the book.
I still have the cassette and novel to this day!
I only caught them once at the gig in the SFX in 97. Amazing show. I think they are a pretty consistent band on record too. Dead Again was one hell of an album to finish up on. I can only imagine what further greatness lay ahead if poor old Pete hadn't bit the dust.
Bloody Kisses is the only one that stuck with me, it was one I'd go for walks around Dublin with on the trusty walkman. The comedy tracks wore thin pretty quickly but the rest makes up for it, as tongue in cheek as it is. The subsequent albums are all great but just never stuck with me, the only one I listen to occasionally is October Rust (and that got a trim too).
Slow, Deep And Hard and Origin are, appropriately, shite.
'Slow, Deep and Hard' is an early album of theirs I have yet to listen to. Also missed out on Carnivore (Pete Steele and ?), one of those ubiquitous crossover bands from the 80s.
I've never checked out Slow, Deep and Hard or Origin of the Faeces. Haven't dived into Carnivore either.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 08, 2021, 01:02:04 AM
I've never checked out Slow, Deep and Hard or Origin of the Faeces.
You're missing out, they are absolutely excellent. They're the ugliest of the bunch, NYHC and the oddest cruelest doom riffs absolutely glued together but in a fantastic way.
Big Type O fan here, one of my all time favourites. They haven't a bad album, but a couple that don't hit the spot as much - Life Is Killing Me has a couple of dud tracks on it and Dead Again, though still great, doesn't drag me back like their earlier stuff. October Rust, Bloody Kisses, and World Coming Down are almost untouchable, not a bad song on any of them, perfect in their atmosphere, each so different that it's hard to pin a favourite sometimes (but I usually say OR).
Never got to see them live unfortunately. My brother was at that SFX 97 show and met Pete Steele on Grafton st beforehand, ended up having a coffee with him strangely. Type O were a fixture in the house growing up, I remember hearing bits of BK and OR before I was properly getting into music. When I was around 12 and going down the metal rabbit hole I dove back into both albums and ultimately WCD when it came out, and have been that obsessed since. Both brothers are every bit as bad for them, fun auld house to rob CDs as a teenager.
Fuck it I might do the discography run of them starting today while I'm in work. It'll be shorter than the Godflesh run at least. Some excellent B Sides and covers throughout their career too that I might stick a playlist together of later. And my favourite live DVD (possibly) - Symphony for the Devil. The fucking sound, the set list, just a top class performance.
Carnivore are fucking brilliant. Both albums are well worth diving into. The Debut has a thrasher edge to it. The Second one; Retaliation has a more NYHC vibe to it (though with a heavy Black Sabbath influence), I read several times that Pete was really into Agnostic Front at the time of writing it - he even wrote a chunk of the lyrics for them on Cause for Alarm.
Slow deep and Hard and Origin are a long way from being shite! A little rougher around the edges, given that Slow... was intended to be the third Carnivore LP. The Origin LP is a fake live album with rerecorded (better?) versions of tunes from the first album, and a backing track of a crowd hurling abuse at them.
Why isn't this thread on the Main Forum?
I was looking to pick up some Type 0 albums on vinyl, but can't find any for a decent price. I reckon they are due a reissue
They're reissuing them at the moment, I think October Rust or World Coming Down is the most recent.
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 08, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Why isn't this thread on the Main Forum?
I posted it here last night by accident, couldn't change it. Anyways, it's here, so.
Brilliant band that had their own haunting sound.
Check out this gig.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bu96DXjYDU&t=1555s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bu96DXjYDU&t=1555s)
Quote from: leatherface on July 08, 2021, 01:24:24 PM
Quote from: Kurt Cocaine on July 08, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
Why isn't this thread on the Main Forum?
I posted it here last night by accident, couldn't change it. Anyways, it's here, so.
Aha, gotcha...
Slow Deep and Hard being called shite? Madness lads. Incredible album. Certainly more fitting as a Type O album rather than a Carnivore one though.
Top Tier:
October Rust
World Coming Down
Bloody Kisses
Origin of the Feces
Second Tier:
Life is Killing Me
Dead Again
Slow, Deep and Hard
I like all of them and the placings are not set in stone (except OR) but there is a distinct gulf in quality between the two tiers.
Absolutely amazing and unique band and I feel a discography run coming on reading the thread. Never caught em live unfortunately but the albums keep me going well enough.
In Praise of Bacchus is my favourite tune but there's a good few close ones. So fucking heavy. And no, Slow, Deep and Hard is not shit.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 08, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
Top Tier:
October Rust
World Coming Down
Bloody Kisses
Origin of the Feces
Second Tier:
Life is Killing Me
Dead Again
Slow, Deep and Hard
I like all of them and the placings are not set in stone (except OR) but there is a distinct gulf in quality between the two tiers.
Absolutely amazing and unique band and I feel a discography run coming on reading the thread. Never caught em live unfortunately but the albums keep me going well enough.
In Praise of Bacchus is my favourite tune but there's a good few close ones. So fucking heavy. And no, Slow, Deep and Hard is not shit.
I'd agree with those tiers..
It's time again.
Over the last couple of days I've been flying through it
Only October rust and world coming down left to go and I had bloody kisses on 3 times so that stalled me a bit
I've tried a few times to get into this band, like their image etc but just can't get into the music, I know I'm wrong.
Life is killing me is better than I gave it credit for.
I dunno which is recommended for someone who can't get into it though. Maybe dead again as it's a bit more upbeat.
Quote from: Don Gately on October 01, 2021, 02:49:00 PM
I've tried a few times to get into this band, like their image etc but just can't get into the music, I know I'm wrong.
Watch this (live @Wacken 2007) and then delve into the albums. Trust me, it'll be worth it...
https://youtu.be/IhsQwC91I48
Quote from: astfgyl on October 01, 2021, 06:22:32 PM
Life is killing me is better than I gave it credit for.
I dunno which is recommended for someone who can't get into it though. Maybe dead again as it's a bit more upbeat.
I'm like a broken record but Dead Again is some album. To think Pete was 52-ish (I think) when they recorded it, and he'd found God. You'd expect that to be a recipe for bad metal but his anger and wit, and his creativity and power as a vocalist were entirely intact. If he hadn't died we could have had another two or three more incredible Type O albums by now. It still galls me.
In going to lash on dead again now. When I made the tiers I put it on the bottom but I feel bad about putting any of it on the lower tier because it's all so good
I'm also constantly disappointed that he popped his clogs, it's awful
Dead again is the album I would listen to the least of from them, couple of good tracks but that's it.
For someone asking about what they should listen to first, I would say 'October Rust' or 'BK'. Shamefully they have other albums I need to get into more, title track from 'WCD' is really cool- very much still an OR sound at that point.
My 17 year old is a big Type O fan,specifically "OR".
Thankfully she hasn't heard the first album !
Is there anything that can scratch the itch other than type o themselves? I've tried a few things but there really is nothing like it is there?
Nope. They were truly one of a kind. Their music, while having clear influences, simply transcended them and became more than the sum of their parts. Then you have Pete's presence, unique vocals and witty, dark lyrics that were unlike anyone else. Look at it on paper, The Beatles, Black Sabbath, Sisters of Mercy and NYHC! It looks ridiculous and it took a level of real insight and skill to make it work.
I tried looking for a few different bands a while back just from the similar artists section on Metal Archives, but none of them come close. They were just so unique
Yeah, tried a bit of that type thing as well. Was even listening to Pist.On (recorded at Systems Two, produced by Josh Silver around the time of October Rust, Val Ium backing vocals, TON-aping bass sound) the other evening to try scratch the itch, and while it's sort of October Rust Lite a lot of the time, the quality of the tunes wouldn't keep me coming back like a good Type O album and it can be a bit toe-curling. Moonspell was another one but it didn't cut the mustard either. Even that covers band that lets out a tune or 2 here and there was close but no cigar (Can't remember the name of them, they had a Chris Isaak cover in TON style on youtube). Steele appears on Biohazard's Uncivilization album on a couple of pretty reminiscient tracks but yeah, fuck all doing. Sometimes the first LOA album is a bit like a cross between TON and Biohazard but it's not enough either. Steele's death left us in a bit of a Kurt Cobain situation, where there's no possible replacement although Cobain had a lot more stuff in the vaults to dig into (although admittedly most of it was in the vaults for good reason). Didn't some other band, maybe Baroness or someone? do a cover of them in the last couple of years as well but IIRC their own stuff was no comparison.
Silvertomb has a couple of Type O members, if memory serves. Tried their album, it didn't do much for me.
Ah I remember hearing one song of them and not liking it at all. Seventh Void was another but it was some sort of I dunno what but it was bad. Found Kenny hickey's voice grating for a full album.
There's A Pale Horse Named Death with some connection too but I think it's pretty tenuous.
Quote from: astfgyl on February 24, 2022, 02:50:58 PM
There's A Pale Horse Named Death with some connection too but I think it's pretty tenuous.
Ya, the singer is Type O's former drummer and their drummer, Johnny Kelly, replaced him in Type O.
Yeah ended up getting the type o albums out. October Rust followed by Bloody Kisses.
There really is no alternative.
A Pale Horse...are fairly derivative tbh, more like Alice in Chains than Type O Negative. Good summary from McLove a few posts back, a band which was far greater than the sum of its parts, which shouldn't, in theory, have worked whatsoever but resolutely did.
Pale Horse are absolute muck.
Fields of the Nephilim scratch my type o itch...
Speaking of which, there's also Zoon, who I was first recommended on here not so long ago.
For anyone that's interested Revolver are doing some limited edition zines of Typo.
https://shop.revolvermag.com/collections/book-of-type-o-negative (https://shop.revolvermag.com/collections/book-of-type-o-negative)
Dead Again is being repressed. Bastard thing is nearly sold out everywhere. Spindizzy Records was weirdly where I was able to preorder it.
https://media.nuclearblast.de/shoplanding/2022/TypeONegative/dead-again.html
I tried a lot of times and can't really get into Dead Again. It just doesn't feel like a proper type o album for some reason
Managed to get an order in for the longbox version just in time..
If anyone has a grand to spare, there's a signed 2 x picture disc of October Rust up for grabs:
https://hammerheartstore.com/products/type-o-negative-october-rust-2-picture-lp-signed-by-all-4-members?
Quote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2022, 06:01:03 PMI tried a lot of times and can't really get into Dead Again. It just doesn't feel like a proper type o album for some reason
Agreed. It never clicked with me either.
There's about four threads with Type O in relatively current discussion here at the minute. I love it :laugh:
...and feck all mention of Sal... I bet that Alan Robert cunt started them all!
Quote from: The Great Cull on November 21, 2023, 01:59:29 PM...and feck all mention of Sal... I bet that Alan Robert cunt started them all!
:laugh:
Quote from: The Great Cull on November 21, 2023, 01:50:25 PMQuote from: astfgyl on August 28, 2022, 06:01:03 PMI tried a lot of times and can't really get into Dead Again. It just doesn't feel like a proper type o album for some reason
Agreed. It never clicked with me either.
I'm gonna try it again maybe this evening and see if I missed anything but it's been out a fair few years now without winning me over. Life is Killing Me is only so so as well. The Great bits are great but a lot of it is only middling
Life Is Killing Me just doesn't click with me atall while Dead Again has grown on me over the years..
Oh man, Profits of Doom, Hail and Farewell to England and These Three Things are among the best songs they've written. The rest is really bloody good too. The only one I'm not really into is Halloween in Heaven.
Theres some good tracks on Dead again but its an album I struggled to listen to from start to finish.
Was subjected to Dead Again on manys the occasion in McLove's old snot mobile. Always really liked it. Halloween in Heaven included.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 22, 2023, 12:01:41 AMOh man, Profits of Doom, Hail and Farewell to England and These Three Things are among the best songs they've written. The rest is really bloody good too. The only one I'm not really into is Halloween in Heaven.
Hail and Farewell.. is the definite highlight of the whole thing and indeed stands up with any of the rest
I can only partially endorse that statement.
Which part
I can endorse that Hail and Farewell is a ripper. I can't endorse the implication that the rest aren't rippers as well 8)
Yknow is hard to disagree that any single song on that album is in any way bad now that I'm thinking about it. Why then does it leave me cold as it does? I honestly don't know. It's a bit like the way NIN are my favorite but no matter what I do, With Teeth just doesn't feel great even though I like every song in isolation.
That's something worth thinking of - bad albums full of great songs
:laugh: I can't help you there.
Why is this thread in the 'Off Topic' section?
Quote from: jobrok1 on November 23, 2023, 11:20:36 AMWhy is this thread in the 'Off Topic' section?
That was my mistake initially, if any mods want to move this to the main forum that would be great.
I had October Rust on earlier. The lyrics to The Green Man are phenomenal.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on November 26, 2023, 10:10:28 AMI had October Rust on earlier. The lyrics to The Green Man are phenomenal.
I think it's one of my favourite songs overall of theirs. Perfectly put together and one of their best outros.
Ah so many amazing songs on that album alone. How to choose. But despite having read the lyrics a few times they never stuck in my head. The vocal fx obscure any chance of making out what he's singing so going over them this morning I was struck by their depth and poetry.
Seen them in the SFX in 97, great gig. My introduction to them was slow, deep and hard when it came out so that's the era I listen to the most. From the carnivore albums up to bloody kisses will do me fine :)
Right so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Well, it's very Type O. Vocally it started off a bit like latter day Tiamat but then went quite Pete Steele. Is Josh Silver out of retirement?
Gonna take a guess and say it's the guy from Spirit Adrift, high vocals sound exactly like him and they used to be on 20 Buck Spin.
Anyway, song is grand, not really catchy enough for true Type O worship!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMPPMhRHtag
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Pound shop Type O is about the best we'll get. I have a feeling some ex member might be involved.
But there's no replacing Pete Steele. Ever.
Might be cool for the new generation but I wouldn't see myself going for it if it's just that, despite how I hearken for more
The "new generation" of Type O fans I consulted last night (ie the daughter) were not impressed. ;D
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
The problem for a band like this is that you can never beat Type O at their own game.
The problem for curmudgeons is that despite the inferiority, the old familiar ingredients are so damn good it's impossible not to like it :laugh:
I was listening to an even more Type O rip off the other day. I'll see if I can find them. Also really good despite absolutely zero personality.
Edit. October Noir https://youtu.be/sYlP9lQo0IQ?si=ECZu9JScJGpU9Ryq
They're both competent but yeah, no Pete no soul.
I'll go first: Beige No.1
I'd happily go see Muiris and Co do their show anytime, as a straight up tribute they were wonderful. But not someone just copying them.
Ha, I'd laugh if it was the lads behind that Death copy band Gruesome
Quote from: Eoin McLove on August 13, 2024, 11:24:24 AMQuote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
The problem for a band like this is that you can never beat Type O at their own game.
The problem for curmudgeons is that despite the inferiority, the old familiar ingredients are so damn good it's impossible not to like it :laugh:
I was listening to an even more Type O rip off the other day. I'll see if I can find them. Also really good despite absolutely zero personality.
Edit. October Noir https://youtu.be/sYlP9lQo0IQ?si=ECZu9JScJGpU9Ryq
Ah jaysus it just hammers it home really doesn't it
Shamelessly so. You would be hard pushed to ever buy it and it ultimately makes you want to lob on Type O, but it's good.
I think maybe I'd have fared better without the video but fuck it's just so sad
One thing that's apparent from watching these videos is not only the gulf between Steele's creativity as a riff-meistro, his power, diversity and theatricality as a singer, but also his amazing dexterity as a lyricist. It is no mean feat to combine a sense of Victorian revival gothic with modern imagery and wrap it all up in dark wit and humour. He managed to fit a lot of information into his songs.
Obviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 12, 2024, 07:34:06 PMRight so.
https://youtu.be/MeVJoJsX-fs?si=_gWQ_B-lobCH_N2i
Discuss.
Fuck that.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 14, 2024, 03:11:33 PMObviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
:laugh: the temptation to do a quick cover of Pale Looking Maiden in the next jam I do...
Anyway both those songs are grand but not great - nothing wrong with them and being a huge TON fan it is impossible to not enjoy them, total rip off but the elements are enjoyable and look if I could get away with it I would lol (spot the old Third Island song where I nearly directly programmed the drums off the end of Green Man for one of many examples). The middle/end of Lost Silver in particular is great. But yeah it just makes me want to put on Type O rather than investigate these much further.
It's a well worn out trope at this stage but you just can't bate the bit of Type O when heading to work on a crisp morning.
Bloody Kisses on here and it's just absolute mastery of the craft.
Quote from: Pentagrimes on August 14, 2024, 03:11:33 PMObviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
Use AI to tweak the vocals to get the perfect combination of Mullingar & Brooklyn. 😂
I've had Dead Again on spin over the last few days and weeks, I didn't really enjoy it when it came out first but its growing on me....
It's usually Dead Again/Origin Of.. that are on the turntable here. They pretty much had a flawless run.
Origin of... is some class class album as well. What a great way to sort of remix the debut
Quote from: Sworntothecans on August 30, 2024, 11:55:18 AMIt's usually Dead Again/Origin Of.. that are on the turntable here. They pretty much had a flawless run.
Had a run through the discography over the last few days, and yeah, pretty flawless alright. Obviously some are better than the others but I wouldn't have any less than an 8/10
Also forgot how good
World Coming Down is, for whatever reason I always tended to forget about it, but it's been getting a lot of listens over the last week
World coming down is top tier for me since it came out. Right place right time thing I suppose, it just hit the sweet spot from the off
OR, BK, OOTF, WCD (top 2 interchangeable and sometimes the other two make their case, so that's top tier)
SD&H (2nd tier)
DA, LIKM (about as good as each other but both leave me wanting, somewhat. Third Tier Type O)
So that's 4 x 10/10, 1 x 9/10, 2 x 8/10.
A fantastic run indeed
Was fun doing this cover.
In true type o fashion there, you've certainly put your own slant on that one!
Much better than those clone bands missing the point altogether
Quote from: Sworntothecans on August 30, 2024, 10:34:39 AMQuote from: Pentagrimes on August 14, 2024, 03:11:33 PMObviously this bandwagon is gaining ground. I'm starting a solo project to cash in on it- Type Joe Negative, where I do Joe Dolan songs Steele style. "Oh me oh my, you've made me cry, you're such a pale looking maiden", etc
I've already trademarked Danzig O'Donnell too for the craic
Use AI to tweak the vocals to get the perfect combination of Mullingar & Brooklyn. 😂
We laugh, but also we all know this would totally work.
Quote from: ldj on August 12, 2024, 07:52:05 PMGonna take a guess and say it's the guy from Spirit Adrift, high vocals sound exactly like him and they used to be on 20 Buck Spin.
Anyway, song is grand, not really catchy enough for true Type O worship!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMPPMhRHtag
So the albums out and he's revealed himself as behind the project, wouldn't be my thing, just sounds like some Type O imitation verses and then reverts back to his regular band for the choruses.
I watched that the other night. Really good. Could do with a full length documentary like that.
Ya, they need the full documentary treatment. Kenny Hickey was always a cool fucker.
Did the annual "I'm hammered on cans, but fuck it watch the Dynamo set" again at 2am the other week. No regrets!
That video was great and I'd absolutely watch 2 hours of that. Still sad about Steele dying off tbh even though I didn't rate the last 2 albums much
Quote from: The Heretic on July 24, 2026, 02:54:49 PMA great watch
Great interview, he seems like a sound fucker, I have never been able to get into Type O, though. They're in the realm of bands I should probably be into but have never clicked for me, like Devin Townsend, SYL, etc. I even bought that box set a few years ago and I can't get into them 😂
Have recently bought 'Life is Killing Me'(cd).. which I have given less attention to over other albums but...
That intro to the title track with the synth lines is great , wish it were longer. The riffs and melodies on 'I don't Wanna be Me' sound Killing Joke influenced . Regardless, miss this band.
Ah it's time again. Lovely.
Quote from: leatherface on September 15, 2026, 06:46:56 PMHave recently bought 'Life is Killing Me'(cd).. which I have given less attention to over other albums but...
That intro to the title track with the synth lines is great , wish it were longer. The riffs and melodies on 'I don't Wanna be Me' sound Killing Joke influenced . Regardless, miss this band.
I tend to overlook this one but gave it an airing earlier today. It's a strange one though. I think the wheels were beginning to fall off poor old Pete by this stage but there's some great stuff on here all the same. Nettie is probably still my favourite on the album.
I've tried so many times with Life Is Killing Me and there are good bits here and there fair enough but it just doesn't have many great bits.
For no reason it's popped into my head to rate the albums in terms of seasonal order, but where to start? September I suppose.
Right,
Early September - Life Is Killing Me
Late September - Dead Again
Early October - October Rust
Mid October - Bloody Kisses
Late October - World Coming Down
Halloween Night - Origin Of The Feces
Christmas - Slow Deep And Hard
Can do what you like in November, maybe a few Opeth albums. No actually, November is just world coming down a load of times. Well that was fun.
why is this thread still in off-topic..?
Thought the same.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on September 15, 2026, 11:16:31 PMwhy is this thread still in off-topic..?
I posted it quite some time ago off topic by accident, which I said before. If someone here could change the location of the thread much appreciated.
" No actually, November is just world coming down a load of times. Well that was fun."
Made me laugh. :laugh: That's what I feel like every November till the new year.
November is when I break out the Yob albums. I binge Type O between September and October
Quote from: astfgyl on September 15, 2026, 11:02:09 PMI've tried so many times with Life Is Killing Me and there are good bits here and there fair enough but it just doesn't have many great bits.
Having given the entire thing a proper listen (after having not for the longest time) , I would say that it is a solid distillation of their sound up to that point (in 2003) across 15 tracks. Enjoyed it. Especially dig the 80s vibes (to my ears) in 'Todds ship Gods'.
Every year Type O are a staple at this time but I am never not listening to them really lol. A top 3 band for me anyway. Solid constant in my life as long as I have been into music at all.
Quote from: leatherface on September 18, 2026, 10:59:28 PMQuote from: astfgyl on September 15, 2026, 11:02:09 PMI've tried so many times with Life Is Killing Me and there are good bits here and there fair enough but it just doesn't have many great bits.
Having given the entire thing a proper listen (after having not for the longest time) , I would say that it is a solid distillation of their sound up to that point (in 2003) across 15 tracks. Enjoyed it. Especially dig the 80s vibes (to my ears) in 'Todds ship Gods'.
Every year I hope will be the year it finally clicks and I go into it and it's all not bad but there's not a single moment that gives me the oul frisson that I can think of unfortunately.
I'll end up trying it again this year once I've the other stuff worn out and hopefully this will be the year
Your preferences are your own man , no one has a problem with them :) . I just recently discovered LIKM after having given their 2000s material a miss for whatever reason, AND I happen to really dig it is all.
I'm still waiting for Dead Again to click as well but to a slightly lesser extent
I'm listening to LIKM, having not picked it up in ages, it's actually better than I remember. Dead Again up next which admittedly, I don't own.
Ah lads, Dead Again is unreal.
Ye, dead again is my favorite. Probably because it was the only one I was aware of upon release, but it really stuck with me and is always the one I reach for!
Also was the only cd I had in my car for the first year or so I learned how to drive, so its very nostalgic in general for me!
Everything Type-O is absolute magic.
One of my favourite things about Type O is way they make cover versions their own.
Summer Breeze is one of the best covers ever. I just love the vocal delivery.
Their version of Black Sabbath was pretty sweet too.
Quote from: Circlepit on September 20, 2026, 11:49:06 AMOne of my favourite things about Type O is way they make cover versions their own.
Summer Breeze is one of the best covers ever. I just love the vocal delivery.
I didn't know the original Summer Breeze at all, so theirs is the original to me. It's also better 8)
Dead Again didn't click for me when it first came out, but on a revisit 4 years ago it clicked, great album!!
The covers are great. They had a Santana medley that came on a bonus disc with a live DVD. Worth checking that one out.
I love Dead Again. Was glad when it was finally got a reissue a few years back.
Was lucky to be at the SFX gig back in the day. I only became a fan after that show.
World Coming Down is 27 years old today. Now for ya.
Quote from: Vim Fuego on September 21, 2026, 07:43:05 AMWas lucky to be at the SFX gig back in the day. I only became a fan after that show.
Out of curiosity, setlist.fm (look it up, Type O sfx dublin 1997) lists only 4 songs played at that gig. Was the gig that short or that long?.
I can't remeber the set-list at this stage, but they played a full set as I remeber.
I was there too. Definitely a full set. Played several songs from October Rust. Christian woman, Black number one and most memorably kill all the white people (with Benji from Stuck Mojo who were supporting). They had a snow machine at one point. Plus a mate of mine got a wine bottle in the face when Pete threw it into the crowd. Great gig
Yup.
Yeah, it was a regular set. The snow machine was during Frozen.
I remember reading a review from that tour in Kerrang from another date. A lot of the Pete-isms (wine bottle into the crowd) and even the exact same quotes from the stage seem to have been his routine at the time. I remember his banter being something like 'If you're going to kill yourself, make sure you bring someone you really hate along' and that exact line was mentioned in the review for the other gig.
That gig brilliant, that size venue was perfect for them.
I met him on South William St on Friday evening around 5pm.
He was strolling down the street wearing the leather German Officer type hat he used to wear and the army green t shirt he always had on.
You could see heads turning as he was just so big and his arms were massive.
Very pleasant and chatty.
There was something on all weekend in Dublin Castle music wise so we talked about that .
He said commented on how many hot women were on the streets.
I just giggled.
He went about his business and I went back into work.
I never caught Type O live per se... but I was living in Eindhoven back when Dynamo Festival was huge and an all weekender out by the airport. Myself, child and her mother were in the city on the Friday afternoon and the place was absolutely heaving with Metalheads. It was a great buzz, but the wee one was only just gone 3 a week before the festival (1997), so no chance of going to it unfortunately...
We were living in NW Eindhoven at that time, and later in the evening I was putting herself to bed and could hear the bands quite clearly from the open upstairs windows. A little while later, I could hear Type O coming on and called mother up to listen. She was huge into them, and she had a nice doob rolled and all. Lay on our bed with a couple of bottles of Bavaria and soaked that set up. Could hear most of it fairly well... it was absolutely class....
That video is interesting, as Pete was fairly open in the interview, that he absolutely hated touring.
LIKM is their worst imo, just doesn't have that dirge and gloomy haze permeating it. Too upbeat and chirpy overall.
Those same programmed drum samples were well overused by that point. They worked great with the production and vibe on October Rust since Steele was on a Cocteau Twins buzz but it should have ended after that.
LIKM is cocaine and borderline personality disorder:The Album.
They were a little too locked into the formula and could have done with trimming the fat on it.
Regardless , I will go to bat for this album . It was the one I ignored for the longest time , gave it a go recently and loved it. Maybe a case of nostalgia for this band. Taste is subjective. I understand all the criticism of LIKM though.
Quote from: leatherface on September 26, 2026, 09:25:05 PMRegardless , I will go to bat for this album . It was the one I ignored for the longest time , gave it a go recently and loved it. Maybe a case of nostalgia for this band. Taste is subjective. I understand all the criticism of LIKM though.
Like a lot of bands, sometimes you have to be in the form to listen to a particular album.
Flawless discography from Carnivore to Dead Again.
I'm going to give LIKM a go again this evening and please god I'll be back after it saying I was wrong all along. I'll have a good smoke first and get the headphones out to give it the best chance
Well I got about halfway through LIKM and reached for Origin Of The Feces, which doesn't get talked about half enough because it's absolutely brilliant. Just take the first song alone and what happens in those fifteen minutes wouldn't happen in most bands' whole careers, and then the ridiculous pretence that it's a live gig to reimagine the first album is just a great idea.
It's actually just super. Followed that with Bloody Kisses and World Coming Down and I'm fully hyped up thinking about the run from SDAH to WCD and fuck what a run. Could even include the Carnivore albums as a precursor, as was already mentioned in the thread here
They are releasing a live album next year 8)
https://blabbermouth.net/news/type-o-negative-live-album-to-arrive-in-early-2027-im-almost-done-editing-everything-says-kenny-hickey?fbclid=IwY2xjawUzZF9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBwZG9mBHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDzQwOTk2MjYyMzA4NTYwOQABHuV_GH3_3olAUVuYJwHKcdyLhp1cbrJK22W96X4JcfA-dAmEVGWHE06F1q_t_aem_ozdGpJFghoXZqrd9EIxJAw (https://blabbermouth.net/news/type-o-negative-live-album-to-arrive-in-early-2027-im-almost-done-editing-everything-says-kenny-hickey?fbclid=IwY2xjawUzZF9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBwZG9mBHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDzQwOTk2MjYyMzA4NTYwOQABHuV_GH3_3olAUVuYJwHKcdyLhp1cbrJK22W96X4JcfA-dAmEVGWHE06F1q_t_aem_ozdGpJFghoXZqrd9EIxJAw)
I've barely ever listened to them bar one or two songs (which I've liked). Guess it's the time of year to give them a proper go now. Especially considering I've been in a real post-punk/goth phase of late.
Read through this thread and gave The Green Man a quick go in work. It was great but not what I was expecting at all. If I'd heard that in the background in a pub and wasn't paying attention to it, I'd have sworn it was Alice in Chains or Stone Temple Pilots. I know they're considered industrial/goth, but they sound very much of the early-mid 90s too!
Listened to Bloody Kisses last night for the first time, it was awesome. Kind of more goth metal on a full listen. It's also interesting the way they have very long songs that kind of have movements rather than traditional structures.
I do love the vocals and lyrics. I know he was known to take the piss, but it makes it hard to establish whether he's taking the piss some of the time, or all of the time, and something about that is pretty appealing :laugh:
There is much to explore with this group, sounds and textures, atmosphere. Most importantly, great song writing across many years (whether you prefer some albums over others ).
Kenny's the guest this week on Hardlore for a 3 hour interview.
Kenny always comes across sound as fuck in interviews. Very underrated as part of the creativity of Type O also.
I'm about a third of the way through it. Brilliant interview
Lashed into it on the way to work this morning. Really enjoyable so far. Pete seems to have been a difficult character.
Some of the stories about Pete near the end where wild enough. Didnt realise his mentality had gotten that bad. Walking down the road with a pickaxe at 1am cuz he thought there was a werewolf in his apartment, some how completely deranged but not out of character
Quote from: nukeabuse on November 05, 2026, 11:48:44 PMSome of the stories about Pete near the end where wild enough. Didnt realise his mentality had gotten that bad. Walking down the road with a pickaxe at 1am cuz he thought there was a werewolf in his apartment, some how completely deranged but not out of character
I'm no expert on his private life but Fundamentally I believe he was a good guy, he just had personal/family stuff going on that was amplified by touring then eventually the drugs etc. I would say if he had remained working in the park service he would be alive today.
Seems like he got hard into the coke, which amplified the darker, more paranoid and negative aspects of his character. What's amazing is that he came up with Dead Again while in the depths of psychosis, writing it off the cuff with the lads having to drag him to rehearsals. Imagine if he'd got himself clean and healthy. We may have had another couple records by now, and Dead Again was such a leap back to power creatively, who knows what they may have come up with next.
Fascinating interview.
It's mad to think the band dynamics with the "Pros" or our heroes growing up were just as shambolic as any of our own experiences. Hard to believe someone like big Pete had to be "Dragged" to rehearsals.
Reminding me of I think Derek Roddy's experience with Hate Eternal, he put a post up about it - he'd a massive commute to rehearse with them and he said all Rutan did was sit on his hole playing video games.
About an hour into this. He's a great storyteller. I didn't realise how awkward Steele was even in the early days.
A proper tortured genius.
Must listen to that interview in full. Saw a few clips online from it yesterday and they were great.
Saw Bloody Kisses there in Dolan's last night and it was great too. Fairly young crowd for it, great to see people half my own age still finding the band and getting into them. Two young lads in front of me properly knew them, chatting about them between songs, reeling off the lyrics.
In a World Coming Down mood lately here, it has been on a lot, right weather for it.
Just finished the full interview there. Could listen to Kenny for hours. What a trip. Found the last 30mins tough, inner struggles etc what might have been?.You could see him trying to hold it together. Great interview, did not want it to end.
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Still only halfway through it. I've said it before, Kenny is a cool cunt. Sounds like they were such normal fellas practicing etc for so long, at least as far as October Rust, where I'm at now.
Kenny talking reminds me of some guy that they've got in for questioning in a 1970s NY cop thriller. "WE KNOW YA WERE IN L'AMOUR ON DA NIGHT THAT GOTH BROAD WAS SNUFFED!"
He'a like the star witness in that case against crooked NY cops in tbe '70s and '80s. He also sounds like a child at times. Interesting interview, I'm about 40 mins. in.