Any genre, 1 cross each.. discuss/argue but pick just one (actually sometimes there can be ties, so two each in and/or style if you like but if there's only one then so be it). Should be some gems to be found in this and the amount of crossover will be interesting to see although I doubt it will be too strong given the lack of genre.
I'm going with NIN - The Fragile/Type O Negative - October Rust
Both pretty rock orientated and I will have to live or die by these now in this thread but sure fuck it.
Who's up? It will be fun trying to not go back on the choices at the least.
Oh god, The Fragile, no question about it. Never thought much of October Rust, bar two or three songs, but then they were never gonna top Bloody Kisses anyway. The Fragile is just such an immersive experience (wanker phrase but there you are) that it's way out on its own for me.
Wouldn't have linked those two albums at all TBH.
Devin Townsend - "Terria"
There is just no topping it for me, at all, in any genre. It is my permanent #1 album whenever I have to weigh these things up. That said the NIN and TON choices aren't far off the top of my lists either, the remainder of my top 10 has The Downward Spiral and October Rust quite high up.
Sorry, I thought the idea was to debate which one was better.
My favourite is Dead Can Dance's Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun. It's just majestic beyond words, not a bad second on it and her voice in particular is heartbreaking and chilling in turn. Never equalled.
I've never listened to Dead Can Dance in spite of how many times I should have. I'll try that one out.
No matter how much I'd want to say Show No Mercy, Master Of Puppets or a couple of Iron Maiden albums, it has to be Appetite For Destruction.
I like how even the OP found the proposed topic impossible to single down :laugh:
If it's one, and only one, then Physical Graffiti for me. I've listened to it more than any other album over the last 20 odd years, and it still gets played in part or in its entirety at least once a week. There are others, heavier stuff, that I listen to loads, but in sheer numbers of hours, nothing at this point gets close to PG's sum total.
Great shouts with October Rust & The Fragile, although I'd rate The Downward Spiral above the latter.
Jaysus, even picking a top 2 is nearly impossible. Gun to my head possibly Anathema - Judgement and Paradise Lost - Draconian Times. And yet, I haven't listened to either of those albums in over 2 years easily. I completely burned them out.
At various turns I could have Dirt, Puppets, Justice, Disintegration, Ultra, Rust in Peace, any of the first few Sabbath albums..... Ah balls, sher tis impossible.
No wait, the best tracks off the Use Your Illusion albums in one compilation. Ya, that's it.
I don't know how you could even begin to whittle it down.
Oh wait, In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend. That was easy 8)
Borknagar s/t, 16 Horsepower 'Secret South', Nadja 'Thaumogenesis' are the albums I've listened to the most (I guess) but it's an impossible question. Like Eoinín, I've ridden those albums raw and rarely listen to them anymore.
As previously stated, a near impossible task to whittle down to one or two albums, but I've taken the same approach as some of the other lads and the two albums I'd say I've listened to the most are, Rory Gallagher - Photo Finish / Mayhem - De Mysteris Dom Sathanas.
Not much in common between those two apart from both of them being obsessed over by yours truly for years but there ya have it.
Yeah it's almost the impossible task to whittle it down, especially without any specific genre and I also picked the two I've listened to most consistently over the years and still regularly draw out. Loads of really close ones too, but hopefully there'll be a few serious albums mentioned that I don't know to go check out.
Quote from: astfgyl on July 06, 2021, 02:14:23 AM
I've never listened to Dead Can Dance in spite of how many times I should have. I'll try that one out.
Do. You'll recognise pieces of it, it's been sampled and tracks have been used in films and for advertising a lot. For example, The Future Sound Of London's Papua New Guinea is built on a vocal sample from Dawn Of The Iconoclast, which Fifth Dominion and/or Arcane Sun (I forget which) used as intro music live.
Would it be cheeky to suggest that as well as the best album ever lads could also state their opinion on the best live album ever?
I know some people don't rate live albums at all but there are some crackers out there that capture the atmosphere of live music beautifully and showcase artists preforming at their best, in front of an audience.
Rory Gallagher - Irish Tour, for instance, is fucking brilliant.
I think just in terms of how many listens they've gotten from me it'd be Master of Puppets or Ocean Machine. If I was really pushed for one I'd go with MoP, simply because it was the first proper metal album I got and blew my head off when I first heard it
Impossible to choose though, I'd probably have a completely different answer tomorrow
Re: the live album thing, isn't it a bit pointless as Live After Death is the only acceptable answer? Plus, someone's going to make a mockery of it by picking Live And Dangerous.
Quote from: Trev on July 06, 2021, 02:12:22 PM
I think just in terms of how many listens they've gotten from me it'd be Master of Puppets or Ocean Machine. If I was really pushed for one I'd go with MoP, simply because it was the first proper metal album I got and blew my head off when I first heard it
Impossible to choose though, I'd probably have a completely different answer tomorrow
Ocean Machine is brilliant. In fact that trio of City, OM and Infinity is something special.
Quote from: Carnage on July 06, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
Re: the live album thing, ien't it a bit pointless as Live After Death is the only acceptable answer? Plus, someone's going to make a mockery of it by picking Live And Dangerous.
:laugh: Fair point.
MOP is way overrated, though my 15 yr old self if asked would vehemently disagree. Type O's 'Bloody Kisses' is better than OR but I love that too.
FNM: Angel Dust/ Morbid Angel: Blessed
Bloody Kisses and October Rust are about on a par for me. They have their distinct vibes, both of which are pretty much perfect.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 07, 2021, 10:16:04 AM
Bloody Kisses and October Rust are about on a par for me. They have their distinct vibes, both of which are pretty much perfect.
I felt the same for a long time but I think OR just about beats BK. But yeah they are so distinct that it is a matter of mood to change preference.
I picked up Bloody Kisses in a charity shop 5 years ago, having never listened to Type O Negative before. I remember enjoying Christian Woman and (Black no. 1?) but I was fairly unimpressed with the rest of it. I actually can't remember any other songs from the album other than Kill all the White people, which I thought was shit.
I'm surprised to see this album rated so highly. Must give it another go.
It's an odd one as it stops and starts a lot. Riffs jump and change and songs veer off in a new direction with no warning. Its actually a mess in that regard. But then after a few listens when you realise the riffs all fucking rule and you get used to the songs jumping about and you stop noticing how all over the gaff it is structurally, its sheer brilliance sinks in. Stick with it!
The version I listen to is the digipak one, think it was a limited release. It dumps all the comedy bits & skits, adds Suspended In Dusk and plays like a more 'serious' album. Works much better, the comedy stuff is cringeworthy.
Plus, 'Summer Breeze' is on it too as well as 'Frozen'. Plenty to enjoy on BK.
Quote from: Giggles on July 07, 2021, 11:30:56 AM
I picked up Bloody Kisses in a charity shop 5 years ago, having never listened to Type O Negative before. I remember enjoying Christian Woman and (Black no. 1?) but I was fairly unimpressed with the rest of it. I actually can't remember any other songs from the album other than Kill all the White people, which I thought was shit.
I'm surprised to see this album rated so highly. Must give it another go.
Ya, I was the same and gave it away not long after buying it years ago. Became reacquainted with it in McLove's car over the years and now like it. None of their stuff would be in consideration for this though.
What happens in The Snot stays in The Snot!
RIP carbro.
Bloody kisses was bit of a let down for me when kill all the white people came on. Those hardcore type songs they do are quite shit imo. Tbh I don't think they released anything as good as October rust. I absolutely hated that dead again album.
Dear Again is unreal.
Book M by secret chiefs three but sure we might as well be wanking off to that bird who was out of our league but we rode anyway (this never happened to me personally but it definately has to some you travellers).
Dead Again is savage.
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 07, 2021, 02:53:13 PM
Book M by secret chiefs three but sure we might as well be wanking off to that bird who was out of our league but we rode anyway (this never happened to me personally but it definately has to some you travellers).
Absolutely savage album, start to finish.
Death Angel - Act III.
Damn right man, let's metal it up..
Manowar - Into Glory Ride
Quote from: Giggles on July 07, 2021, 11:30:56 AM
I picked up Bloody Kisses in a charity shop 5 years ago, having never listened to Type O Negative before. I remember enjoying Christian Woman and (Black no. 1?) but I was fairly unimpressed with the rest of it. I actually can't remember any other songs from the album other than Kill all the White people, which I thought was shit.
I'm surprised to see this album rated so highly. Must give it another go.
I gave the album another listen earlier, well half of it. I should have used different wording earlier, it's not that I think it's shit or unimpressive - I just don't get it.
Good riffs yes, and most excellent guitar tones, great drum and keys sounds, Steele's voice sounds unreal on one track but, then on the next is like tribal gang vocals and I just don't understand what's going on. My brain keeps trying to make a connection between christian women and kill all the white people :laugh: There's a variety in there for sure, and maybe it will click one day but I'm in no rush to listen to it again. I will check out the second half tomorrow just for fairness sake.
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 07, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
It's an odd one as it stops and starts a lot. Riffs jump and change and songs veer off in a new direction with no warning. Its actually a mess in that regard.
Funny enough, people were using these exact same sentences when they were shitting all over Machine Head's - The Blackening when it came out :laugh:
Machine fuckin' Head!!!
Try the digipak version Giggles, more consistent in tone.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3cvlmUD9m5LdG_-JetagziXMe9c_XNA0
I think that's just a playlist of the original album tracks, but you'll get the idea.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 06, 2021, 08:46:04 AM
Great shouts with October Rust & The Fragile, although I'd rate The Downward Spiral above the latter.
Jaysus, even picking a top 2 is nearly impossible. Gun to my head possibly Anathema - Judgement and Paradise Lost - Draconian Times. And yet, I haven't listened to either of those albums in over 2 years easily. I completely burned them out.
At various turns I could have Dirt, Puppets, Justice, Disintegration, Ultra, Rust in Peace, any of the first few Sabbath albums..... Ah balls, sher tis impossible.
No wait, the best tracks off the Use Your Illusion albums in one compilation. Ya, that's it.
Great call there on Anathema - Judgement..a stunning piece of work..
Judgement is indeed class. It also really hammers home how shit the last few are.
Aye, think I only listened to a few minutes of The Optimist and it seemed to be the pinnacle of that direction they were heading i.e. very bland. That being said, I enjoyed at least a coupla tracks off all the later albums but the filler was very dull.
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
Or
Townes Van Zandt s/t
I don't think I've ever made it through a Type O song. Embarrassing stuff if someone walked in and I was caught listening that.
Quote from: Emphyrio on July 09, 2021, 08:27:51 AM
Aye, think I only listened to a few minutes of The Optimist and it seemed to be the pinnacle of that direction they were heading i.e. very bland. That being said, I enjoyed at least a coupla tracks off all the later albums but the filler was very dull.
Yeah the albums from 2010 onwards stuck to the same template and they started to run out of road, thought The Optimist was pretty woeful. The doom era was great. But from Alternative 4 to A Natural Disaster - that's a pretty damn good run of albums.
If I had to pick one it'd be Sepultura - Schizophrenia (I wore the tape out), or possibly Arcturus- The Sham Mirrors
Also, what's wrong with Live and Dangerous? It's a class live album
It's not really live, though. The majority of it was overdubbed in studio afterward. I believe the same is true of Unleashed In The East, if not to the same degree.
I think the only overdubs on Unleashed were the vocals and maybe a solo or two? Halford claims he was sick the night of the gig, but performed them in studio in a set up like a gig.
As for L&D, nothing wrong with it in my eyes. The drums were kept 100%, as told to me by Downey. Guitars seemed to have the odd solo replaced, and vocals were 50/50 I think. Still more or less live, more so than shit you'd get these days anyway.
Tony Visconti, who produced it, reckoned it was anywhere from 75% - 90% overdubbed, and I'm inclined to believe him, as he has less skin in the game than the band themselves.
It doesn't even particularly sound like a live album TBH, unlike Life/Live where they made a point of not overdubbing it. Much better album, either way.
Quote from: Carnage on July 09, 2021, 10:07:39 PM
Tony Visconti, who produced it, reckoned it was anywhere from 75% - 90% overdubbed, and I'm inclined to believe him, as he has less skin in the game than the band themselves.
It doesn't even particularly sound like a live album TBH, unlike Life/Live where they made a point of not overdubbing it. Much better album, either way.
Actually yeah I always forget about Life/Live, but it's much better. Better setlist but sound is great too.
I still stick by the National Stadium gig on youtube as the best gig from the Robertson era.
I actually had that on DVD but it was fucking scratched. Didn't realise it was on Youtube, I'll give it a go.
It is possible though that the best album ever is Disco Volante.
I could definitely understand Disco Volante as a choice.
I was chatting to a fella last night and I put this to him and lo and behold he made the case for Disco Volante as well. It's certainly up there and has kept me going for about 25 years now.
I've never heard Disco Volante, the first album put me off them for good. Is it along the same lines, 'cos that was just a mess?
If you think the first album is a mess then you aint heard nothing yet! I will say though that the first album is no indicator as to what comes next. It's a masterpiece and there isn't really anything like it.
I love all the Mr Bungle albums though (Not counting the last release). California is a cracking album too and probably the most accessible of them, if you feel like dipping the toe in.
Checked out Disco Volante earlier. An uninterested meh from me.
I've been listening to a lot of what I'd call 'singer-songwriter' music lately, mostly stripped down acoustic based stuff. A few that have been hitting the spot...
Neil Young - Harvest
Townes Van Zandt - The Late Great Townes Van Zandt
Joni Mitchell - Blue
Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
I'd reckon all of them would have a claim to the best album ever, there's no tricks or gimmicks to hide behind, just pure songwriting.
For a later/more experimental twist I'd throw in Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones in there too.
Quote from: Carnage on July 06, 2021, 01:30:25 AM
Sorry, I thought the idea was to debate which one was better.
My favourite is Dead Can Dance's Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun. It's just majestic beyond words, not a bad second on it and her voice in particular is heartbreaking and chilling in turn. Never equalled.
Any of the three of Spleen and Ideal, Within the realm...... and The Serpents Egg could lay a claim. Has any band ever produced a run of three albums that good?
Plenty, but I'd go one further and ask if any other act has a similarly flawless discography? There's not one DCD release I don't think is amazing TBH, and I can't think of anyone else I could say that about.
Quote from: ldj on July 10, 2021, 04:47:05 PM
I've been listening to a lot of what I'd call 'singer-songwriter' music lately, mostly stripped down acoustic based stuff. A few that have been hitting the spot...
Neil Young - Harvest
Townes Van Zandt - The Late Great Townes Van Zandt
Joni Mitchell - Blue
Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
I'd reckon all of them would have a claim to the best album ever, there's no tricks or gimmicks to hide behind, just pure songwriting.
For a later/more experimental twist I'd throw in Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones in there too.
Never really listened to Townes Van Zandt, really enjoyed that album. Cheers for that!
To add to the singer song writer stuff, I love Songs of Love and Hate by Leonard Cohen. Think famous blue raincoat is up there for favourite song, and then the sing along, sing another song boys.. And the "rocking" diamonds in the mine. Like you say, nowhere to hide. Think I got into Cohen after years of rock and metal and was blown away by just words and guitar, and angelic backing vocals in the case of Leonard.
And I have to throw in The Magnolia Electric Co by Songs Ohia with the "singer songwriter" stuff.
Great shout on the Songs Ohia album. I've very little time for anything 'country' sounding (aside from Townes and the odd thing like that), but Magnolia Electric Company is an absolutely cracking album.
Quote from: ldj on July 10, 2021, 04:47:05 PMNeil Young - Harvest
Townes Van Zandt - The Late Great Townes Van Zandt
Joni Mitchell - Blue
Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
For a later/more experimental twist I'd throw in Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones in there too.
I'm with you on Young and Townes, but the other three wouldn't do it for me. Mitchell's voice wouldn't be my cup of tea, whoever let Dylan near a microphone should have been hung, drawn and quartered (he can write but can't sing, and that harmonica should be shoved up his hole, sideways), and I caught an ex cheating with a Van Morrison song on in the background, that and him being a fucking tool have always put me off.
As for Waits, once you get out of the '70s pretension took him over IMO. I find his '80s work unlistenable and he's been pretty patchy since. Mule Variations is mighty though. If I had to throw a Waits album in it'd be Small Change.
Townes Van Zandt was amazing though, totally underrated. If you ever come across it, there's a great live album with him, Steve Earle and Guy Clarke (Together At The Bluebird Cafe), where they each play a few tunes and tell the stories behind them. Mighty.
Another one for the singer/songwriter list: Kris Kristofferson: Kristofferson. Worth it for Sunday Morning Coming Down alone.
Quote from: Carnage on July 10, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Plenty, but I'd go one further and ask if any other act has a similarly flawless discography? There's not one DCD release I don't think is amazing TBH, and I can't think of anyone else I could say that about.
The Doors, each album as brilliant as the last.
LA Woman is near perfection, it would have been in my top two were it not for Rory Gallagher.
Rome release consistently brilliant albums. That cunt Reuter is The King of Neo-Folk.
Pity Reddit retards think he's a fascist over that Rhodesia album.
Quote from: Carnage on July 10, 2021, 08:59:17 PM
Townes Van Zandt was amazing though, totally underrated. If you ever come across it, there's a great live album with him, Steve Earle and Guy Clarke (Together At The Bluebird Cafe), where they each play a few tunes and tell the stories behind them. Mighty.
Another one for the singer/songwriter list: Kris Kristofferson: Kristofferson. Worth it for Sunday Morning Coming Down alone.
I found that CD in with a pile of other so called alt-country related CDs at a charity shop a few weeks ago. I bought the whole lot, about 2 dozen including 4 Uncle Tupelo reissues. I've not had much chance of an evening to sit down and listen to them all but Uncle Tupelo's 'No Depression' is a new favorite, before this I'd never heard a note they played.
Quote from: pete on July 10, 2021, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: ldj on July 10, 2021, 04:47:05 PM
I've been listening to a lot of what I'd call 'singer-songwriter' music lately, mostly stripped down acoustic based stuff. A few that have been hitting the spot...
Neil Young - Harvest
Townes Van Zandt - The Late Great Townes Van Zandt
Joni Mitchell - Blue
Van Morrison - Astral Weeks
Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
I'd reckon all of them would have a claim to the best album ever, there's no tricks or gimmicks to hide behind, just pure songwriting.
For a later/more experimental twist I'd throw in Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones in there too.
Never really listened to Townes Van Zandt, really enjoyed that album. Cheers for that!
To add to the singer song writer stuff, I love Songs of Love and Hate by Leonard Cohen. Think famous blue raincoat is up there for favourite song, and then the sing along, sing another song boys.. And the "rocking" diamonds in the mine. Like you say, nowhere to hide. Think I got into Cohen after years of rock and metal and was blown away by just words and guitar, and angelic backing vocals in the case of Leonard.
And I have to throw in The Magnolia Electric Co by Songs Ohia with the "singer songwriter" stuff.
Only heard of Songs:Ohia and have that album marked to listen to.
Songs of Love and Hate is without doubt a 10/10 perfect album. Still not entertaining this idea of any album being the best album ever though.
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 11, 2021, 01:15:56 AM
The Doors, each album as brilliant as the last.
LA Woman is near perfection, it would have been in my top two were it not for Rory Gallagher.
I'm big fan of The Doors myself and I'd be nearly inclined to agree with you except that I remembered "The Soft Parade" (bar the opening two tracks) is pretty much shit served over ice. :laugh:
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 11, 2021, 01:15:56 AM
The Doors, each album as brilliant as the last.
LA Woman is near perfection, it would have been in my top two were it not for Rory Gallagher.
I'm big fan of The Doors myself and I'd be nearly inclined to agree with you except that I remembered "The Soft Parade" (bar the opening two tracks) is pretty much shit served over ice. :laugh:
Quote from: son of the Morrigan on July 06, 2021, 02:03:51 PM
Rory Gallagher - Irish Tour, for instance, is fucking brilliant.
Damn straight.
Quote from: open face surgery on July 13, 2021, 03:31:13 PM
Still not entertaining this idea of any album being the best album ever though.
Ah yeah, there can't be just one but each person will have their own couple of contenders. Sure albums would have to stop being made to really judge, and imagine the stuff we might have missed from the very early days, too. Never tried Leonard Cohen either, now he's been mentioned.
Wasn't having a go. I just have too many contenders to even begin to think about it.
Just listening to Songs of Love and Hate for the first time now, it definitely has that darker folky sound I was looking for, I also realised, as good as he is, Nick Cave lifted a lot of his vocal melodies/style from Cohen.
Quote from: Carnage on July 10, 2021, 07:21:22 PM
Plenty, but I'd go one further and ask if any other act has a similarly flawless discography?
I was listening to Fugazi last night. There's an argument (no pun intended) to be made that their 6 studio albums are pretty much flawless. And each album progresses from the last in terms of expanding their sound.
I think Fugazi are one of the most overrated 'darling' bands around. I played one if their tunes on guitar for my leaving cert music exam though, youthful indiscretion.
Nah, Fugazi were deadly.
Repeater is fantastic but none of their other stuff appealed to me TBH.
End Hits. Savage! Listen to the song Foreman's Dog. It's my favourite Fugazi song.
That's a pretty good song, granted, but it's not that good. At least he's more or less in key. Not always the case.
Worrying about his being in key is to kind of miss the point of Fugazi :laugh:
'Missing the point of Fugazi'
Exactly, and I'm not a musical guru. Poor, poor band loved for some x-factor that their fans see and the other eejits don't.
Idea for a thread there Mr Summer Bay Super Bods (get in shape and we can take down Chris and Ducky at the inaugural MW fight night )
I dunno, Chris is so limber from all that smoke. He might be more of a handful than you suspect.
Maybe. I'm nevertheless certain that I would win.
I'm well disposed to him today though. That's his plan though the sneaky Protestant.
I think such a legendary event should take place in the equally legendary, and mystical, Yabbie Creek.
Have you planned your pilgrimage yet Andy?
There is no worries with the headline act.
There are too few others maintaining subplots. Maybe Atsgfl v Pete?
I hope you've been hitting the weights Chris, I don't want to make a total show out of you.
Gonna come at ya Moulin Rouge style mofo: Dance like a papillon, sting like a std!
He's making a mockery of the whole thing!
You've been drinking with McGregor (he definitely doesn't know you are a Lutheran)
See, I reckon psyche-ing you is my best option, so I'll walk out to fight wearing the full spandex cycling gear, in high-vis rainbow-striped colours, my hair dyed blue, of course, to the sound of a transgender acapella children's choir singing Bulls On Parade, "Mao-Mao, 'lyich Ulyanov-a-Mao-Mao, 'lyich Ulyanov-a-Mao-Mao, 'lyich Ulyanov-a-Mao-Mao! Come wit it now!"
https://youtu.be/gvJt9IqoGVU
Ma money's on Killer Kev...
Yeah but I lift weights and you read French fannies on life
Quote from: Eoin McLove on July 15, 2021, 10:18:00 AM
Worrying about his being in key is to kind of miss the point of Fugazi :laugh:
I enjoy vocalists who are out of key at times. It makes for a raw experience which suits certain things. Don't know any Fugazi though, but am familiar with McKaye's vocals from the Pailhead ep and I think they are grand on that
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 15, 2021, 12:44:22 PM
There is no worries with the headline act.
There are too few others maintaining subplots. Maybe Atsgfl v Pete?
I hope you've been hitting the weights Chris, I don't want to make a total show out of you.
I like Pete!
Ducky wants me dead though, but I don't really take that personally either.
Angel Dust for me. Don't listen to it now much but for 20 years did.
Floodland - Sisters of Mercy same thing.
Fugazi are great. I can see how they might be an acquired taste though, yet there is no chance that any of their albums could feature in a top 10 albums of all time...never mind what is being proposed here. It has been mentioned already, and I know the thread's just a bit of craic, but the mere notion of a 'best album ever' is completely preposterous. I mean, it's all subjective ultimately but it would have to be something like the White Album which, although it means nothing to me, has received almost universal acclaim. The closest I can think of on a personal level is the Downward Spiral, in that it encapsulates a perfect Desert Island disc for me...by turns heavy, noisy, then funky, angry, introspective, subtle. I have a hape of afternoon drink on me, hence the fluffy language, but you get me...
I had that close to the top for a very long time.
Quote from: John Kimble on July 15, 2021, 06:41:27 PM
something like the White Album which, although it means nothing to me, has received almost universal acclaim. The closest I can think of on a personal level is the Downward Spiral, in that it encapsulates a perfect Desert Island disc for me...by turns heavy, noisy, then funky, angry, introspective, subtle. I have a hape of afternoon drink on me, hence the fluffy language, but you get me...
I was having thoughts like that while I was listening to the White Album pretty much on repeat lately. Not that it's my favourite ever, or will be, but it would have to be something like that or The Wall or dark Side of the Moon or one of those ones that people are still going strong with 50 years later. Something by Sabbath or Priest or the like.
As for The Downward Spiral, what a class album from start to finish. I fucking love it. I picked The Fragile but there's days when TDS is numero uno and I think The Fragile just (barely) shades it by having the 2 discs of brilliance. The remasters of both of those done for vinyl a couple of years back are wonderful as well, managing to somehow highlight little things I hadn't noticed before and the low end has more beef and it reinvigorated me for listening to them another few hundred times.
The Downward Spiral I played to death, or it'd be a contender for me too.
The White Album wouldn't, some of it is just plain bad, though you've got to applaud the experimentation. Sgt. Pepper's... now, there's a contender.
Dark Side Of The Moon or Rumours, now that I think of it. Two utterly perfect albums that I never get tired of.
I wouldn't be calling on the White Album either, it's great fun and must have been really something in its' time but still no. Never heard Sgt Peppers bar around 2 tracks. I'm actually not familiar with the beatles at all only my older sister used to be hopping off them when I was a young lad. Any recs? If it's as good as the White Album I'd be up for giving it a go
Sgt. Pepper's, Rubber Soul (where they began to be interesting IMO, as opposed to just a pop group), Revolver, Let It Be, Abbey Road - all brilliant for the most part. Anything from Rubber Soul onward, really.
The 1967-1970 compilation is a good starting point IMO, not a dud on it (yes, I'm including Octopus's Garden, shut up), and it includes some non-album singles. The Love compilation is a good take on some of the hits - it was a mix created for a Cirque du Soleil show, and flows really well.
Sound. Must try a few of those. Love finding something that's been there all along but I never bothered trying it. Radiohead and The Cure are two like that I've stumbled upon in the last year or 2. Like I know the main big hits but never delved into the albums at all. After I listen to the White album again in a few minutes, I'll give the Rubber Soul a try.
Drive My Car is one of my favourites of theirs, the production alone is such a big step up from what they'd had before.
There are a few different versions of their albums out, different masters, UK and US releases, mono and stereo versions etc., so there'll be plenty of options for you.
Help! isn't bad either, TBH.
I know it's impossible to decide a 'Best Album Ever', but if it were up for discussion The Beatles would be disqualified on the basis that as good as they were every album had at least one or two dogshit songs, even Revolver which is probably my favourite Beatles record has 'Yellow Submarine' on it.
Sgt.Pepper's would be the contender from The Beatles, and Animals from Floyd. Even Abbey Road, the peaks of which surpass both the White Album and Sgt.Pepper's, has a couple of real dud moments. Picking a contender from The Doors is definitely a challenge, due to the s/t, Waiting For The Sun, L.A. Woman being kinda equally flawless. A Night At The Opera is what I'd forward from Queen. Fragile from Yes. And, of course, the perfect companion to any of those contenders, Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses :abbath: :abbath: :abbath:
What faggotry is this? Fugazi? The Beatles?
Although I'm not that knowledgeable on the genre there was a lot of fantastic stuff in the soul/r&b genres in the 60's/70's, Innervisions by Stevie Wonder is one of the best albums of all time, and one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard too.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on July 15, 2021, 11:40:56 PMExtreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses
You might be onto something there...
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 16, 2021, 12:08:15 AM
What faggotry is this? Fugazi? The Beatles?
Got the best laugh of the day out of this. Sound.
Quote from: ldj on July 16, 2021, 12:11:45 AM
Although I'm not that knowledgeable on the genre there was a lot of fantastic stuff in the soul/r&b genres in the 60's/70's, Innervisions by Stevie Wonder is one of the best albums of all time, and one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard too.
Sure Metallica were busy in the 80s. Stop this inclusive gayness lads please!
'Immervisions by Stevie Wonder'.
It's like ye are tripping over each other now pretending to like Fugazi to outright telling your parents that you are gay (they know).
I'm getting a steel chair and I'm going to bash all your brains in!
If I ended up on a desert island with nothing but The Beatles to listen to I could only conclude that there is an afterlife and I've ended up in Hell. See also Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Doors and funk music.
Congratulations on your gayest post of the year Andy. It was up against some fairly stiff competition but you've managed it.
'The Beatles' 'there's an afterlife' awwww fuck off y'a cringe factory!
Quote from: Caomhaoin on July 16, 2021, 03:59:56 AM
Congratulations on your gayest post of the year Andy. It was up against some fairly stiff competition but you've managed it.
Using words like 'stiff'...that's pretty gay.
https://youtu.be/ltjQ1LORyvs
Who gave Camhaoin a second glass of shandy?
I'm taking partial responsibility for that one Andy :laugh:
Quote from: Carnage on July 15, 2021, 09:16:40 PM
Sgt. Pepper's, Rubber Soul (where they began to be interesting IMO, as opposed to just a pop group), Revolver, Let It Be, Abbey Road - all brilliant for the most part. Anything from Rubber Soul onward, really.
The 1967-1970 compilation is a good starting point IMO, not a dud on it (yes, I'm including Octopus's Garden, shut up), and it includes some non-album singles. The Love compilation is a good take on some of the hits - it was a mix created for a Cirque du Soleil show, and flows really well.
Finally listened to Rubber Soul a couple of times. It's great. Really put me in mind of McLove and Caomhain most of the way through
Speaking of that compilation as well, listened to Hey Jude off that earlier. Some tune
I saw Oasis in Páirc Uí Chaoimh in '96. They were unexpectedly great but when we were walking out afterward, under the stands, the whole place was singing the na-na-nah-naaah bit of Hey Jude on a loop (it was playing through the speakers after the gig itself). It sounded great bouncing off the walls of the old stands, I have to say.
Love all eras of The Beatles and just went back through it all while reading One, Two, Three, Four which I saw someone mention on here as well. Exceptional times and exceptional music.
Operation :Mindcrime. Fucking perfect album.
Forgot this earlier. Remember when this came out it was really well reviewed, everyone knew it was a bit special, really where did it come from? Sure their earlier stuff was great in parts but nothing to suggest they were capable of this. The planets aligned for Queensryche on this one and despite some decent songs they never came close to these heights again. But how could they?
Another one I've yet to hear a note of.
Are the vocals high pitched?
Excruciatingly so. Was never a fan, though that's the only one of theirs I've heard.
Quote from: Carnage on August 01, 2021, 12:06:09 AM
Excruciatingly so.
Fuck that so. Find it very hard to buzz off the operatic vocal stuff. Never heard a note of that band but I always suspected it'd be high pitched
To be fair, he's no higher than Halford, but has a much 'thinner', more nasal voice IMO. Painful. It's glorified AOR to my ears.
Yeah I'm going to give that a miss.
Thinking of trying a it of Leonard Cohen next after hearing him for the first time this week. Which was why I got this thread going. If someone can make the case for something being the best ever it must be worth a go.
Ah fuck I'm going to have to try the Operation: Mindcrime now... I should have kept the thoughts to myself..
Tate has an amazing voice.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 01, 2021, 01:11:21 AM
Yeah I'm going to give that a miss.
Thinking of trying a it of Leonard Cohen next after hearing him for the first time this week. Which was why I got this thread going. If someone can make the case for something being the best ever it must be worth a go.
Ah fuck I'm going to have to try the Operation: Mindcrime now... I should have kept the thoughts to myself..
Try The Queen Of The Reich. If you don't like it, then, well, yeah, this band or this style of music in general is just not for you.
Ended up having an exchange of tunes over messenger with a chap instead but I'll try that tune to see
Quote from: warhead on August 01, 2021, 12:13:27 PM
Try The Queen Of The Reich. If you don't like it, then, well, yeah, this band or this style of music in general is just not for you.
Yeah, the s/t EP is the best thing Queensrÿche ever did.
But, on the other hand, Midnight from Crimson Glory had a much better voice than Tate. So even if you hate Queen of the Reich, give Transcendence by Crimson Glory a go. To my mind, it's pretty much the pinnacle of that style.
Quote from: Black Shepherd Carnage on August 01, 2021, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: warhead on August 01, 2021, 12:13:27 PM
Try The Queen Of The Reich. If you don't like it, then, well, yeah, this band or this style of music in general is just not for you.
Yeah, the s/t EP is the best thing Queensrÿche ever did.
But, on the other hand, Midnight from Crimson Glory had a much better voice than Tate. So even if you hate Queen of the Reich, give Transcendence by Crimson Glory a go. To my mind, it's pretty much the pinnacle of that style.
A really good call.
I love the way I put up the undoubtedly excellent Operation : Mindcrime as a potential best album ever and the next few posts are aimed at undermining my suggestion. The "I prefer the obscure first EP merchants to the I don't rate his voice guy. To the recommend some other similar band in this vein instead character"
Just admit it ye clowns and stop beings such cocks.
Sure look it, in terms of metal discussion at least, it was a great candidate! I do like Tate's voice, I just think Midnight's is the best there's ever been in that style. And there are some great moments on O:M, undoubtedly...I just find the "earnest" bits ("We can pay for wars in South America", etc.) a bit cringe in the execution, I'm afraid.
I love your reply thank you.
I admit that I believe that Queensryche are a terrible, terrible band.
Quote from: Don Gately on August 01, 2021, 10:21:50 PM
I love the way I put up the undoubtedly excellent Operation : Mindcrime as a potential best album ever and the next few posts are aimed at undermining my suggestion. The "I prefer the obscure first EP merchants to the I don't rate his voice guy. To the recommend some other similar band in this vein instead character"
Just admit it ye clowns and stop beings such cocks.
:)
We were just trying to offer alternatives, jeeeeeez.....
I wonder where the classical stuff fits in all of this? Not really albums as such though, or is it? Some of that stuff is going for hundreds of years
Operation Mindcrime is their best album by far and one of the greatest rock/metal albums of all time.
It never leaves my media player at work, one of the few constants.