30 years since Facelift was released. We all know Dirt is a classic but I definitely overlistened to it over the years. Facelift must surely be very close in terms of quality, though. I'd be hard pushed to find weak links on the album. Jaysus, what a band.
A few write ups have appeared in the last 24 hours. Good to see it get a bit of recognition.
https://www.loudersound.com/amp/features/forget-dirt-facelift-is-alice-in-chains-most-influential-album
Great album, and they were great on that tour (supporting Megadeth is where I saw them), but the more 'glam' sounding songs are definitely the album's weaker moments.
Was a fan in my teenage years but in all honesty I find them fairly boring to listen to these days. Touring with a new singer didnt sit well with me as the band are nothing without staley.
I have no problem with them touring with the new singer but Cantrell needs focus more on writing riffs and let Duvall actually sing lead. Black Gives Way to Blue was pretty decent but everything since then has been pretty boring and Cantrell singing lead on 90% of the tracks doesn't help them.
But yeah Facelift is a great album, like someone said above there were still a few Alice 'N Roses type tracks on it, it's pretty funny they're all tacked on the last 4-5 tracks, were as the first 6-7 is the proper AIC sound.
There are demos in the Music Box release which show just how big a leap they made in a very short time. They're terrible, to the extent I'm amazed they ever got signed at all. Dirt is a perfect album, though, not one weak track on it. Facelift is patchy, definitely a step in the middle of the big gulf between the shite they were and the perfection they would achieve. Side 2 is weaker, definitely, starts great then four weak tracks but ends with Real Thing which stands alongside We Die Young as the two songs which had a massive impact on me when they supported Megadeth. The two tracks on the Last Action Hero soundtrack were fucking class too.
I'd happily trim off It Ain't Like That, Put You Down, I Know Something ('Bout You), but my favourite track on the album is (probably controversially) Sunshine. Love that chorus and Cantrell's lead after the first one.
I've never heard those Music Bank demos. Might pour a beer and go rootin' around online...
Music bank is on Spotify if you have it
For some reason their s/t album passed me by and I only started listening to it recently - its OK i guess, maybe you had to be there. Its no Dirt or Facelift (or Jar of Flies) for that matter. The last few on Facelift aren't the best maybe, but its a fantastic listen. Dirt - enough said... perfection. I didnt know about that Music bank thing on Spotify actually ,listening now.
As for the recent albums - Black Gives Way is absolutely essential listening, its a great album - as is Rainer Fog actually, both really strong with some cracking songs on them. I was worried when they put our Devil/Dino as it was dull (and still is) - i never listen to it. There's clearly still life in the dog though and we should all be happy they are still doing it.... That Gibson interview with Jerry the other week was great. Finally getting to see them last year in the Olympia was incredible, a first for me...
Also had a listen to Music Bank on Spotify the demos are 'interesting' :laugh:
I think the s/t is their most difficult album to get into. Took me months of listening but I think it's their second best album, just not quite as good as Dirt.
What is as good as Dirt is Jerry Cantrell's "Degradation Trip", especially the two disc version. Siddhartha, Solitude and Anger Rising are some of my favourite songs he's ever written.
Quote from: Ducky on August 24, 2020, 02:48:43 PM
What is as good as Dirt is Jerry Cantrell's "Degradation Trip", especially the two disc version. Siddhartha, Solitude and Anger Rising are some of my favourite songs he's ever written.
Hadn't listened to this in years but it's been on constantly since you posted this. Cheers for that. Absolutely brilliant album!
Never clicked with any of the Cantrell solo albums. Must dig them out again.
Mad Season on the other hand...pure amazing brilliance
https://youtu.be/V5Ok7_KFuZw
As for AIC, I think Jar of Flies may well be the greatest thing they ever recorded alonside MTV Unplugged. Sheer genius. But then so is Dirt and I love their final album with Layne too..so dark.
Jar of Flies is also usually my go-to nowadays too. I love them all really but JoF is just a lovely, short and concise listen. Rotten Apple is easily one of the best tunes they have ever written for my money.
On that note, they're some lads for writing cracking opening songs. Pretty much everything they've put out has a deadly opener.
They really could've relegated Swing on This to a b-side or something. Spoils the flow of it for me as I'm always conscious I'll be stopping it one song short.
Dirt, Jar Of Flies and Black Gives Way To Blue are flawless releases. There is truly something magic around them all.
The other releases have their flaws but all of them contain quality material. The lowest level being in The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here.
The quality of the first 3 releases I mention though is the reason why they'll forever remain one of my all time favourite bands.
Edit - I should also add that their Unplugged album is also phenomenal.
They're a band that probably won't age as well as some of the other Grunge bands because every second band with a singer with a schmig ripped them off afterwards. All Layne stuff untouchable and Black Gives Way an utter masterpiece too. Dinosaurs I'd have no time for, but if I'm honest I never gave it much time.
It's poor. Stone and Hollow are cool but the rest is dull as fuck. I haven't been able to get into Rainier Fog either, just dull. ldj was bang on when he said Cantrell needs to step back and let Duvall sing. He's a fine backing singer, Cantrell, but he doesn't cut the mustard as a lead singer for me.
He's a man for a harmony but his voice is characterless. Duvall very very good.
If you listen to Duval's pre Alice in Chains band, Comes with the Fall his vocal talent is wasted in AIC! Fantastic singer.
He was to play whelans solo before the incident. Must check out his solo album!
I was very late to the AIC table,dismissed them under the grunge banner until about 15 years ago.I was too metal to listen to them for years,big mistake.
This thread has me revisiting the back catalog. Facelift has some awesome moments. The 2nd half is flawed though.
TDPDH is a chore to get through. As Juggz pointed out, it's got Stone and Hollow and little else.
The classics of Dirt, Jar Of Flies, BGWTB and unplugged remain as awesome as ever.
The self titled wasn't too high on my list for years but I really enjoy it more with the passage of time. The same can be said for Sap.
Rainer Fog, while it initially disappointed is a real grower. I rate it around the same as the self titled now.
Seeing the comments about Cantrell taking a back seat on the vocals, well I have to say it's a very fair point. Duvall is an amazing singer who should be up front more.
The Cantrell solo albums are average enough. Boggy Depot is extremely poor and Degradation Trip plods along save for a handful of songs.
Duvall is indeed wasted in them, the other two boys probably didn't mind the paycheck. It's little more than the Cantrell Show. I think them being called Alice in Chains these days has little to do with the music and all to do with the brand/marketing.
I remember reading the Music Bank liner notes at the time and thinking it was maybe always the Cantrell show!
Surprising all the AIC lyrics he wrote too that I would have assumed were Layne's.