This could go in the 'Caronavirus Thread' but I thought one focusing on the positives would be good:
1. A lot less pollution being created just to traveling.
2. "Tele-medicine" has been a benefit in processing G.P. Appointments where people have to appointment by phone
3. In housing 5 it's reckoned that prices will fall between 5 and 10 per cent.
4. It will teach us to be less materialistic and do with less, (which we practically can), and focus on more important things, such as helping people.
5. Working from home will bring an end to or a huge drop in commuting and the rush hour problem.
A Bonus: No bottom feeder T.V. shows such as Dickheads on an Island, Dickheads In A House, Dickhead's in a Jungle etc, no shit "reality" shows.
Don't have any faith in any of those. The main positive I see is that face masks are a great replacement for beer goggles; far more beors around when everyone has half their face concealed.
Lol I noticed that as well, rakes of dodgy ones suddenly looking grand
Quote from: livingabortion on August 03, 2020, 06:55:14 PM
This could go in the 'Caronavirus Thread' but I thought one focusing on the positives would be good:
1. A lot less pollution being created just to traveling.
2. "Tele-medicine" has been a benefit in processing G.P. Appointments where people have to appointment by phone
3. In housing 5 it's reckoned that prices will fall between 5 and 10 per cent.
4. It will teach us to be less materialistic and do with less, (which we practically can), and focus on more important things, such as helping people.
5. Working from home will bring an end to or a huge drop in commuting and the rush hour problem.
A Bonus: No bottom feeder T.V. shows such as Dickheads on an Island, Dickheads In A House, Dickhead's in a Jungle etc, no shit "reality" shows.
I started a Good News thread back in March or April for the likes of this stuff, but it died a pretty quick death as there really wasn't a lot of good stuff to report beyond the few you've mentioned there
Probably exposing the idiocy of some people. People a few weeks ago were shouting "clap for frontline workers" while going to house parties.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 03, 2020, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: livingabortion on August 03, 2020, 06:55:14 PM
This could go in the 'Caronavirus Thread' but I thought one focusing on the positives would be good:
1. A lot less pollution being created just to traveling.
2. "Tele-medicine" has been a benefit in processing G.P. Appointments where people have to appointment by phone
3. In housing 5 it's reckoned that prices will fall between 5 and 10 per cent.
4. It will teach us to be less materialistic and do with less, (which we practically can), and focus on more important things, such as helping people.
5. Working from home will bring an end to or a huge drop in commuting and the rush hour problem.
A Bonus: No bottom feeder T.V. shows such as Dickheads on an Island, Dickheads In A House, Dickhead's in a Jungle etc, no shit "reality" shows.
I started a Good News thread back in March or April for the likes of this stuff, but it died a pretty quick death as there really wasn't a lot of good stuff to report beyond the few you've mentioned there
AH! Well, this will probably go the same way quick enough so.
Quote from: Blackout on August 03, 2020, 10:02:55 PM
Probably exposing the idiocy of some people. People a few weeks ago were shouting "clap for frontline workers" while going to house parties.
They might have misunderstood it as "get the clap for the frontline workers"
Quote from: livingabortion on August 03, 2020, 10:12:49 PM
AH! Well, this will probably go the same way quick enough so.
Sure maybe not, there has been a lot of time and things since then. Some funnies as well and a lot of surreal, too.
That's true :laugh:
Where I am this has been going on since March. Now it's in phase 4. This means that now absolutely nobody gives a flying sh.t about any virus and in many minds 'it's over'. I respect peoples wish to get back to normal but just forgetting about it completely is deplorable. No distancing, people freely mingling, events where nobody wears masks etc. I feel like I am in a minority expressing any doubt or worry about it.
I read the figures daily on the journal and the amount of people just saying fuckit, we have to learn to live with it.... Maybe I'm just a hypochondriac but I don't want to be around people in an enclosed environment. This is gonna be a non runner in a classroom. My da was just diagnosed with cancer so, come September, are visits from me and his grandson gonna be extra risky?
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 04, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
I read the figures daily on the journal and the amount of people just saying fuckit, we have to learn to live with it.... Maybe I'm just a hypochondriac but I don't want to be around people in an enclosed environment. This is gonna be a non runner in a classroom. My da was just diagnosed with cancer so, come September, are visits from me and his grandson gonna be extra risky?
They could be. You both might have to get tested, (which I heard you can now pay get done), to make sure you're ok, and also visiting time could be more limited.
There is another thread for this called "Caronavirus", I know it looks like the bad outweighs the good on this but I was trying to do an upbeat thread on it.
https://forum.metalwarfare.com/index.php?topic=1101.0
Cheers.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 04, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
I read the figures daily on the journal and the amount of people just saying fuckit, we have to learn to live with it.... Maybe I'm just a hypochondriac but I don't want to be around people in an enclosed environment. This is gonna be a non runner in a classroom. My da was just diagnosed with cancer so, come September, are visits from me and his grandson gonna be extra risky?
It's different tolerance levels, and I completely respect that.
You're always going to find that case spotlighted in the news of someone with no pre-existing conditions getting flatlined by this thing. That deserves to be known, and it's also the news being the news. But at the end of the day these cases for me are the
extraordinary exceptions rather than the rule. As a healthy 29 year old I'm personally willing to socialise in large groups, enjoy going to a gig etc when given the okay again.
I understand that also makes me more of a risk to other folks, but provided social distancing in shops, mandatory masks etc are on the table then the transmission risks there should be minimum, leaving the crowds and the enclosed spaces an "opt in" option. I personally think this is the way we'll have to go sooner rather than later.
I'm also self aware enough that there's an inherent selfishness to this approach, perhaps, and that rationalising it sounds cold as fuck on occasion. I know all we have to do is stay home and chill. I know it's not really a war as such. I know we
can live like this. But the sum total of economic surplus, community and joy to come from everything we can no longer do is too irresistible for me. Do I think we can postpone it on a timescale of years - multiple - until something with this kind of mortality rate sods off?
Not really, no.
On topic, the main positive for me has been working from home. It's not for everyone, but I never want to go back. I moonlight as a productive office employee to make my paper, and I can get my job done comfortably and productively from the living room. Cat behind me, missus upstairs, better air, better food, no public transport. I don't need the 'office culture'.
I do think we'll go back to most of our shitty habits, but one huge positive that I imagine will stick is how much we've realised that getting an air fair to shake some hands and sign a contract is ridiculous. A lot of what we can do, we can do from our own spaces. Long may it stick.
All the extra elbow room.
Quote from: livingabortion on August 03, 2020, 06:55:14 PM
1. A lot less pollution being created just to traveling.
2. "Tele-medicine" has been a benefit in processing G.P. Appointments where people have to appointment by phone
3. In housing 5 it's reckoned that prices will fall between 5 and 10 per cent.
4. It will teach us to be less materialistic and do with less, (which we practically can), and focus on more important things, such as helping people.
5. Working from home will bring an end to or a huge drop in commuting and the rush hour problem.
1. Yes for commercial flights etc,, but now there are also a lot more dickheads on the road because they can't leave the country. Some people around my way seem to think it's grand to rent a camper, park it up for a few days and fuck all your rubbish outside.
4. Can't see that happening with the population at large, as long as we have the internet and big corporations pushing their shit on us.
5. A small drop maybe. A huge drop? I don't think so. Bring an end to? Impossible!!!
Positive: I can wrap a camo bandana around my face and walk around like a bandit and nobody thinks it's weird :abbath:
Not sure about bottom feeding TV, either. With the production of plenty of decent content on hold for the foreseeable future, reality TV formats remain as cheap and profitable a prospect as ever. There's going to be an awful heap of shit greenlit in the next year to fill some gaps. There's already a deluge of Approachable Smiley Celebs On The Couch! type shows being done via webcam.
I flew back to Ireland yesterday full flight no distancing then they were on everyones backs about wearing masks. They had the cheek to make an announcement saying "make sure you wear your mask we are all in this together". If the greedy fucks actually cared they wouldn't be flying full planes.
Funny how all this could have been easily avoided in January if a few simple measures had been put into place but no instead governments did nothing now we are all expected to change our lives and will be paying back the cost of this until we die.
As for the office thing as soon as this blows over I would imagine most offices will be full again managers don't like not being able to see exactly what workers are at each and every minute of the day.
I can't see anything getting cheaper things will just become more expensive. Flying will soon be a thing only the rich can afford because of all this.
Quote from: Emphyrio on August 04, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
I read the figures daily on the journal and the amount of people just saying fuckit, we have to learn to live with it.... Maybe I'm just a hypochondriac but I don't want to be around people in an enclosed environment. This is gonna be a non runner in a classroom. My da was just diagnosed with cancer so, come September, are visits from me and his grandson gonna be extra risky?
Sorry to hear about your dad. Fingers crossed that he bates the shite out of it.
I get where you're coming from. I have lost all interest in going to the pub, restaurants, etc. currently. And Jaysis knows how much I love(d) the pub and going for dinner. I go as far as some local coffee houses to have a (socially distanced) chat with my brother or my oul fella. I am by no means a hypochondriac but I am currently frustrated by the lack of awareness shown by some people. The sign on the door of the local SuperValu and Lidl says to mask up before entering, it's not my favourite thing but I do it - then inside the shop it quickly becomes apparent that I'm the only fucking dope in there wearing one (or at least I'm in the minority). People leaning over you to get things, ignoring the floor signs, letting their kids run amok. If that's the supermarket I can only imagine what a pub full of pissed up people will be like.
On topic and looking at positives to come out of this;
I have noticed that I appreciate things much more - things that I took for granted for years. The aforementioned opportunity to have a coffee and to talk with people is something that I really look forward to now. I have made myself become more present in conversations.
As someone else has mentioned my perspective on material things has changed - there are definitely things that I can do without or not be so hung up on getting.
I seem to have more time to do things also and I have found that even with having more time I am not willing to waste it in ways that I would have done before. I have cut out some bad habits (YouTube rabbit holes, horseshit TV etc.) and replaced them with some better ones (tipping away at things around the house and garden).
Probably the major eye-opener for me has been people showing their true colours. The COVID-19 situation seems to have amplified the base-level that people operate on. If folks were sound before this, they seem to be sounder now. People who were dicks have become even worse... in my experience at least.
I'm with Airneanach on this one. This shit can't go on and I would be willing to take the risk to go to a gig or whatever or at least I'd like the option to whether I did it or not. I dunno what the positives are really as not a lot has changed for me at the moment but I suppose not having to bring the kids to the shop with their incessant begging is decent.
unfortunately & fortunately I can relate a lot to what you're saying StoutAndAle, esp people showing their true colours, e.g. stupid people being stupider somehow, selfish people being more selfish.
Re Airneanach and astfgyl and others on the forum willing to drive on and opt in to putting yerselves at risk, I really don't get how people are so willing to make the decision for those that will invariably suffer the consequences indirectly.
Health care professionals don't get to opt out of treating you, your family members or whoever else you might pass on to locally or in your community.
People waiting on hospital appointments don't get to opt out of needing tests or treatment when resources are redirected to fight this indiscriminate virus.
Teachers with underlying conditions or issues in their extended family don't get the option to opt out of teaching your kids when you send them in unknowingly transmitting the impact of your needless choice. The kids in their bubble don't get to opt out of going home to anyone at risk for whatever reason. It's not like no kid has been impacted by coronavirus either.
Kids being shut out of school again can't opt out of the impact that has on them developmentally or mentally.
Community volunteers in various clubs and codes strangely enough don't do acts of kindness so you can throw it back in their face and threaten their family's well-being.
No, I don't get the "I'm willing to fuck everyone else under a bus because I can't wait and I'm only interested in myself" attitude at all.
Well what's your solution so?
Edit: I'll elaborate a bit:
This could have been stopped from getting here (maybe not either but if we follow the accepted timeline) but we stayed open for business from all over the world.
This could have been eradicated here and we could be on a nice safe bubble of an island like NZ but the restrictions were eased when we were oh so close.
Are we relying on a vaccine that may or may not ever exist? If such a vaccine becomes available do I want to be a guinea pig?
The evidence is increasingly showing that this is not as deadly as first thought.
Are we going to go on like this forever, living at the government's pleasure as to what we can and can't do socially?
If we take this approach with this, why not with everything else? I saw it mentioned somewhere why not stop fat people from eating or alcoholics from drinking by the same token? Not the best analogy but I'm sure you get the idea.
We either had the balls to deal with it or we didn't and it turns out we didn't and all in the name of money, so am I up for this to go on and on when the same people making the decisions on my behalf don't have the balls to actually sort the fucking thing? No not really.
And for what it's worth I wear a mask when I go anywhere, I wash my hands over and over and my contacts are extremely limited and I live in a town with no cases so I'm not sorry in the slightest for how I feel about it all. If the pub opened tomorrow I'd go for a pint.
I honestly don't see how the attitude I'm taking is saying "I'm willing to fuck everyone else under a bus because I can't wait and I'm only interested in myself" at all. I think the approach should be to treat the vulnerable as if they are vulnerable and take all precautions possible around them.
Thousands of kids die of starvation every day in third world countries. If we are all so selfless, why not go on over there and dedicate our life and money to helping them? Why not shut down the world until they are all fed? Why not shut down the world for all the poor old folks who die of Influenza every year while we're at it? Why not get the old River Blindness sorted as well sure there is a cure for that. I wonder what else have we that there is a cure for that we could all give up everything to stop. why not shut down the world to stop homelessness and poverty?
We are all fucking somebody under a bus by existing at all.
Quote from: Snare on August 04, 2020, 09:30:32 PM
unfortunately & fortunately I can relate a lot to what you're saying StoutAndAle, esp people showing their true colours, e.g. stupid people being stupider somehow, selfish people being more selfish.
Re Airneanach and astfgyl and others on the forum willing to drive on and opt in to putting yerselves at risk, I really don't get how people are so willing to make the decision for those that will invariably suffer the consequences indirectly.
Health care professionals don't get to opt out of treating you, your family members or whoever else you might pass on to locally or in your community.
People waiting on hospital appointments don't get to opt out of needing tests or treatment when resources are redirected to fight this indiscriminate virus.
Teachers with underlying conditions or issues in their extended family don't get the option to opt out of teaching your kids when you send them in unknowingly transmitting the impact of your needless choice. The kids in their bubble don't get to opt out of going home to anyone at risk for whatever reason. It's not like no kid has been impacted by coronavirus either.
Kids being shut out of school again can't opt out of the impact that has on them developmentally or mentally.
Community volunteers in various clubs and codes strangely enough don't do acts of kindness so you can throw it back in their face and threaten their family's well-being.
No, I don't get the "I'm willing to fuck everyone else under a bus because I can't wait and I'm only interested in myself" attitude at all.
Disappointing post. I understand the seriousness of this, I'm simply asking questions as to the sustainability of long term social distancing protocols. Government and independent bodies full of men and women far smarter than you or I aren't able to foresee with a reasonable degree of accuracy where we'll be a month from now and how we should handle it then - never mind a year - so I'll hold on to my take without being whipped up a roll call of moral guilt before having it insinuated that I'm willing to fuck everyone else under a bus, if it's all the same to you.
Despite our acclaimed evolutionary acumen, we're nonetheless housing vulnerable immune systems inside a less than perfect biosphere. I assume if we all woke from this in the morning you'd nonetheless refrain from rubbing shoulders at pubs, clubs and pits for the foreseeable future regardless? Nobody likes a flu comparison, but that's still nonetheless something you can very easily pick up and pass on to someone vulnerable should you choose to live for yourself and make those decisions for them.
Civilisation's a little trickier than that to pull off if you want anything more than getting by. We're made to be together.
Theres a lot of people looking for a moan,any shops ive been to the majority are wearing masks,ive been to the pub the last 3 weekends running.The 5 pubs ive visited all adhered to the rules,the main one being social distancing within the premises.The vast majority of people are making some bit of an effort,we cant do fuck all about the minority who didnt give a fuck from the start anyway.
Wash your hands,sanitize,look after your own space and get on with your life ffs.
As for the positives ,i got paid to top up my tan,i got the house painted ,the place powerhosed,had loads of bbqs.Rat race taken out of my life,cycled loads,generally enjoyed it.
Quote from: astfgyl on August 04, 2020, 09:34:45 PM
And for what it's worth I wear a mask when I go anywhere, I wash my hands over and over and my contacts are extremely limited and I live in a town with no cases so I'm not sorry in the slightest for how I feel about it all. If the pub opened tomorrow I'd go for a pint.
I honestly don't see how the attitude I'm taking is saying "I'm willing to fuck everyone else under a bus because I can't wait and I'm only interested in myself" at all. I think the approach should be to treat the vulnerable as if they are vulnerable and take all precautions possible around them.
I agree 100%. I don't know anybody in my town who's had covid. I don't know anybody in this town who knows anybody here who's had it. I wear a bandana around my face when I go into shops and I wash my hands, but 100% I would go to a gig here tomorrow.
There is actually live music in the pubs here every night of the weekend, but it's limited to 1 person with a guitar - and no dancing, so fuck that I'm not arsed. Obviously if I did go to a gig, I wouldn't be rushing back to my hometown to visit my vulnerable folks for a while.
Apologies astygfl and Aireanach for lumping ye in with my generalisation of fucking people under buses, but my issue is with the cavalier attitude out there that things should go back to normal for them irrespective of the consequences for others, e.g. a third of all infections in counties covered by the HSE were of healthcare workers.
The great work done in getting infection and death numbers down shouldn't be forgotten about, despite other matters that could have been handled better. This isn't ye as ye're prepared to wait, but I really don't see the need to rush back into things while great efforts are being made for a better long term outlook. All we can do is continue to play our part and "hold firm" as long as possible. I certainly don't want to see us repeating mistakes elsewhere where nightlife has led to new waves and lockdowns so it was good to see Phase 4 delayed for the moment.
On the positive side of things, it's great the way kids are getting such a lift from getting back to some normality.
Basketball Ireland and their volunteers are doing a great job managing things with how clubs are back training and running camps again. We had our Beaver Scouts out for a few events in July when we're normally off and it was a great for their mental health and a good release, especially the quieter ones and those who hadn't seen other kids since March or been out of their parents sight. Not sure how indoor events are going to operate again in the winter though...
Ah you're grand man.
I agree with you as well about seeing the kids getting a bit of a life back. I was thinking way earlier in all of this how time goes so much slower for younger kids and how long the lockdown must have felt for them